Why you NEED to turn off Microsoft Start in Windows 11
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2024
- Microsoft's Start in Windows 11 comes with a whole load of crap but could you get malware from it? Days ago I received an email about crapware, RestoreX360, bragging about being on msn.com and therefore the start menu. Block trackers and spying with DNS: controld.com/ (sponsor)
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how does granny have Wave Browser and One UI launch searchbar? Oh, she clicked on an article in the start menu, went to a site with a ton of ads, clicked yes on the "would you like notifications from this page" dialogue box, got an Edge delivery notification from a connected site of the site host saying "Your web experience may be slow, get this add on to make it better!" Goes to the Edge/Chrome add on page, adds a malicious extension that downloads the kit to install the programs, and then they bypass UAC to edit registry to persist even if they are uninstalled. And Windows Defender doesn't consider them malicious... Good job Windows.
certified microsoft moment
Underrated comment
3rd time i see tenth karma in youtube today
UAC is the best tool ever for teaching people to ignore the text and click on a "Yes" button.
"I switched to Linux" comments when someone says windows is bad: 📈📈📈📈📈📈
Probably looking into this - (as do pc support - at moment voluntary for disabled people) need to have dual boot into Mindows and Linux - with me probably gradually going more and more to Linux; Windows screwing us around with trying to force Bitlocker & Co-Pilot -> Recall cobblers is certainly mi^%^%^ me off and others; like Deja 1984 control.
@@dafyddthomas7299 All my machines are Debian12 except for my PC as I do fusion360 and have to use word etc. I did try running a windows VM in kvm but it was a pain in the ass.
But Windows is really bad. Though Linux is not good enough either, it is still better and the only alternative for a PC.
@mkatakm
Windows = Bad | Linux = Not Good Enough.
ThAT'S the reason I'm still not switching over, personally. Until they develop a way to make you be able to do everything Windows can, not just gaming, without there being technical problems, I'll pass. I don't give a shit to invest my time scavenging the internet for an esoteric line of commands, assuming there is even a result. The thought of having to do that all over again if my SSD goes bad is not appealing at all.
@@bugsbunny4647isn't wine just that?
I really hate windows with burning passion, even tho I daily drive it. The audacity, the disrespect they have for their users is unmatched
Js get linux
@@ayefare i've been distrohopping for a while on my old laptop. But then I settled on windows again bc i got a gaming machine and the experience on linux in that department wasn't good + i really needed ms office. Libreoffice just wasn't it for me.
Indeed!
It it out of this planet
@@ayefare agreed, that's why I've been slowly moving to linux! It's been a great experience!
That widget is like ADHD on a stick. Instant distraction from whatever the hell it was you logged on to do
It's even worse when you actually have ADHD.
Oh yes.
windows 7 will always be missed
Windows XP Pro 64-bit was king. 7 was just a less-bloated Vista experience, but was the start of M$ user data harvesting and system telemetry. Windows 7 was still a mostly-great NT OS, but it was the beginning of the downfall for Windows going forward.
I still have my Windows 7 laptop
It was perfect, but Linux Mint is pretty close nowadays. The only thing that will not work is Adobe crap.
@@PySnek good for hackers
@@Robert-ls5wn lol what
The edge start page is bad enough, but MS putting that into the UI is bordering on criminal.
Ever since Satya took over MS, it has been going downhill.
Microsoft is an intelligence agency. Realise this & you will understand why & what they do.
@@Turco949corruption. & it's all core-coded in Israel.
Enemy of the world.
It really is, and combined with blocking start menu improvement software they need to be sued.
would have been actually criminal, but Microsoft's lawyers are so good they'll make it look "borderline" xD
This ad crap needs to end. If users pay for MS 365 or have paid for a license (most don't though they claim) then this ad crap needs to go
They'll only stop if they lose money or get in a legal battle.
yeah. we pay between 50 and 100 bucks for each device with a windows license(mainly laptops). no joke.
I gave microsoft money in various ways. Having an xbox for example. And i use the same accounts in windows. Anyway, if ads stay in 11, i will never use it again, and i will make sure, the company i work in it will see it the same way.
Well if you look back to the Windows XP/7 days a windows license was as much as 400 bucks. Nowadays the price is 1/4 of that, and because of this, Microsoft is putting more ads into their operating system to balance their stock price.
@@lukeb7954 Not a bad point but rarely only a handful of people buy Windows license directly from Microsoft paying full price. In most cases it's OEM license or something. Given Adobe charges so much money for their software it makes sense the whole OS would cost more but still ads especially intruding ones are bad like this video showed. They can be used to spread malware
Market share for Win10 went up, market share of Win11 went down, ha-ha!
This problem can happen to anyone that uses the MSN website, regardless of the version of Windows. The site aggregates news articles from various reputable sources, but displays a large amount of adverts disguised to look like news. My 85 year old mum clicked on one of those, and got a fake AV message that went full screen, scaring her to death. Fortunately, through remote access, I fixed that pretty quickly. Then I changed her DNS to Quad9, hopefully to block other malicious stuff - she wont stop using MSN.
just one remark: if/when the PC becomes slow - 9 out if 10 it is indeed software problem, not hardware. Either bloatware or updated programms with higher system requirements. Rolling back to original software or just removing all the bloat easily makes the pc perform as when it was new.
Except when the hardware is very old, like using a core2duo to run windows 10.
@@Anas7ergun well, win 10 with all the bloat removed and extra s**t turned off actually on pair with older win7, 8 in terms of resource usage. The underlying os's core is the same between all those systems.
@@Anas7ergun Like walmart's flipping truck "FAST" sorter machine.... 1.9Ghz per core too...
@@Anas7ergun Then Windows 10 contains “bloatware” from Core 2 Duo perspective.
I would say these days it is the other way around, 9/10 times its just the hardware and inefficient programs, and 1/10 times it is because of issues that can be actually fixed by removing stuff/changing settings etc. A lot of people just have a slow laptop and desperately hope they can make it "faster" without spending much money, which is exactly the audience these tune up utilities target to scam.
this only show why all ppl are moving back to win10, over 70% ppl are still on that old win rather than upgrading to win11, i tried it and win11 overall is awfull respect win10
windows 10 might be the same because of the news and interest
Windows 10 won't be supported in very near future. I love 10 but now I have 11 (new PC) ..which i'm not thrilled with inerface and all the hidden offs and ons buttons /switches etc. And now theres windows 12 on the horizen to contend with.
Windows 10 will be still used for many even after Microsoft ditches support, like Windows 7.
That doesn't mean too much if you consider how many people are still on internet explorer. People are resistant to change, regardless of whether the change is good or bad.
I can't help but wonder how well controlled the connection to the ad server is. Is this something an attacker will be able to Man in the Middle on a public wifi network and serve their own malicious ads?
I would hope they are using HTTPS, so probably very unlikely. But also, if you're on public wifi and not taking any measures to protect yourself, then this vector would be no worse than any other.
It might be easier for a bad actor to just set up a legit web site, buy an ad package from Microsoft to promote the site, and then at some point switch out the content on the legit site with malicious links.
I can't imagine that Microsoft would do much in the way of continuous checks for malware (although I am happy to be corrected on this).
Those vpn ads have sure been spreading a lot of misinformation about how networks work. As a software engineer myself, MitM attacks on a public network are not the big worries regarding these ads. HTTPS basically takes care of that for you. The malware served in the ads as well as the user data collected in order to serve the ads are my worries.
Yep, disabled widgets first thing, if I want to see something I can find it myself (also disabled all suggestions from start menu)
First thing I install on windows 11 is windows tweaker and disable all add and online features of windows except mail. There are better alternatives for everything.
There's are better alternatives for mail too. Thunderbird is my choice. Otherwise, you're probably better off using the browser client than trusting Microsoft not to snoop your mail.
Edit: for anyone who wants to try it, ***last I knew*** Micorsoft emails/exchange support is limited - something to do with how Microsoft's handles (or doesn't) 3rd party apps. I think they (Thunderbird) fixed it, or is still working on it- again haven't checked in a while.
Never used this, but going to give it a try also
You can also try out the tool that Chris Titus made, brilliant tool @@mattymatte6289
Some malware can bypass OS tweaks easily, Leo has already talked about it. I don’t think he would recommend messing up your system with third party apps which may not even give support for customers. I am not saying Microsoft is perfect but I will be staying with their software, I don’t want to risk my pc to get malware through that special OS😄
@@wissy0062 The tweaker I use is only able to disable and enable windows features that you can do manually with a bit of research.
Lucky enough for me, the Widgets function of Windows 11 was disabled when I upgraded from Windows 11 Home to Windows 11 Pro (weird.) I never used it anyway. Plus, I use RetroBar for my taskbar and Start11 for my start menu.
It's insane the idiocy Microsoft is pushing
Lucky you, it is just a matter of time until MS serves you with the latest set of anti-features
I love how the start menu is just straight up not a start menu anymore. Last time we saw a real start menu was on Windows 7
This should not be present or installed in production environment, It's distracting to employees who work with their workstation. and now that microsoft announce the EoL of windows 10 on 2025. WTF Microsoft!
The EoL has been set since the OS initially released.
W10 LTSC 2021 IoT will still get support until 2032
You can disable all of this. Pretty sure you can even bake it into a group policy but I'd have to look more into that. Not that you should even have to do that but it is an option.
I ripped out the start menu so much it doesn't even function as a search. It was so slow, that me pushing the windows key then typing brave, wouldn't register the *B* and then it would start searching *rave* which means I want the baltimore *rave* -ns right? Not the application I use, every day, in the same way. Having me, delay my typing, so the function could catch up to my typing, is such a fucking laughable situation when computers have surpassed windows 7 super computers and yet have a worse performance on every level. Bro LOOK AT THIS 0:01 When do you need to ever know anything shown on this screen without searching?
Great Video - love the simple setting you shared at Settings->Show or Hide Feeds 4:18 (easy when you know how and unfortunately I didn't) and the ControlD software which I will look at shortly. Thanks for Sharing!
What is the difference between Control D and Portmaster? Is Portmaster good enough?
What hosts file do you suggest for everyday use? Last time I installed one, I had latency issues in online gaming
I have witnessed on multiple occasions a user clicking on a link on the edge start screen, and it immediately go into one of those pop-up sides that says you've been infected to call the number on the screen.
How is that you still have the old Email app from microsoft? I have the one updated from outlook and its a disgrace
When I click on MSN news articles from the start menu, is there a way to have those articles open in a different browser other than MSN or Edge?
When Win11 first hit here in Australia it checked my desktop and laptop for compatibility. The desktop failed, even though it was only a year or two old, Ryzen 7 chip, 16Gb ram. But Win11 said there was something in there that disqualified it. The Dell XPS13 laptop was OK. But I wasn't going to have two different systems so I'm still on Win10. Win11 still wants to me update and gives me reminders every few months. But the more I hear about Win11 the less inclined I am to go for it.
I found out in my old laptop that the TPM chip was just disabled and it was quite simple to fix
If you disable widgets with the task bar the process is still running so I found a script that completely removes it. Might have to do the same with Edge browser because that is always running in the background too.
Can you make a video testing antitrack apps like Norton or others, please? There seems to be no reviews on CZcams about these apps. Are they a scam?
I didn't quite get in the controld website about its price, is it free for personal use? I don't want to create an account to discover it, and it only shows pricings for organizations.
"If your computer is slow, if it's not working well, that's probably because your hardware is outdated..."
Or... alternatively said you are using Windows... Sometime the PC users are shocked to see their 10+ years computers working just fine with some lightweight Linux distribution. Or, pretty recent PCs, which were marketed as "cheap" and "for home" and you find out that they sell it with 8 or even 4 GB of RAM. Yes, even nowadays you can buy such laptop... and not as bargain! Sometime even above $500!
1:00 this email is from India💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️.
Targeting one who has an indian origin
@@GateastrologykcYeah it’s mostly Indians and Nigerians doing these scams lol of course
Its from India? must be legit then!!!!
That's a bit stereotypical. Just because India is home to multiple attackers, doesn't mean that everything made in India should instantly be declared as unsafe.
For surprise of nobody :D
Can you do a video about windows 7?
May I ask if factory resetting a laptop locally and not by cloud would remove a malware, worms and Trojans?
windows having a popup to show weather and other information before login on boot up is also very worrying. Not only is a live session having adware under guise of boosting productivity but its being brought to other parts of the os very scary to what could happen if there are any vulns chained before even user input could log in with password.
I don't like that most sites and whatnot that offer "curated" info are little more than ad streams and I don't like that that includes email inboxes.
Linux is looking like a more attractive option every day.
As someone who hates linux im starting to feel the same
Wherever I go see these comments, like cmon most of us use Windows because Linux ist for gaming
@@ep1cgam3rz13No, most users still use windows because it's simply the most user friendly and easy to learn. No matter how shitty windows becomes most users will still use it
@@aerosw1ft
Maybe it was the case last decade. Plenty of user friendly distros nowadays.
@@aerosw1ft it's more like habit - why switching what you've grown accustomed to? But this time M$ are overestimating their customers' loyalty with such bad decisions at OS-level.
Linux is accessible for normies now, it's not like how it was years ago.
The only feature I like about the news and interest option is that I can see the weather in the task bar
Another reason I switched to Linux.
Microsoft really are promoting reasons to switch to Linux.
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Worse is random software being promoted in answers on the Microsoft support forum. A user has a Windows issue and answers are given with links to little known or unknown software links.
how to use two anti virus softwares at the same time, at most times unsupported or at least third party do comes with risks as disabled defender and aggressive attack on third party av.
Can i ask which web browser are you using as your main one? ^_^
Firefox et librewolf
Firefox aka Librewolf, much better than Edge.
@@AntiGrieferGames Never heard firefox be called librewolf
When did windows change their start menu?
How to deactivate Microsoft Start or the Widgets Icon with a Script?
I disable everything that MS keep throwing on the taskbar. Anything other than a Start button, open programs and the small bits to the right is not belong here, I disable them all. The taskbar is fine and is finished since Win XP era, it doesn't need anymore crap added.
I don't think the sponsor link has anything in his link to tell them that someone came from you
Time to change the CEO of Microsoft and Google
You can disable ads and news from the settings in widgets, the option has been added since 23h2
european exclusive feature. sorry...
@@rchltmedia No, other countrys can too, in settings widgets has turn on or off tweaks. Im in Vietnam has that feature too.
If you know how to disable ai things aswell let me know.
@@rchltmedia I live in Africa
@@AntiGrieferGames pretty sure it's in the taskbar settings
Can you make a video about the AI on Windows 11 and the way how to disable those?
Most excellent suggestion - especially if Windows Turn on by default on next / every update; I want to turn off / disabled their AI Spyware - Recall cobblers
bro pls make a video about android emulators like bluestacks, nox player, ldplayer, hyperV... are they safe or viruses
I just removed literally all packages of widgets and copilot from windows 11
Never been much of a W11 critic, but the news panel pisses me off. We had a perfectly fine news app. Or weather. I don't want to read that from their repost website on the browser where I'm actually doing stuff.
Unfortunately in UK most of our News Apps / news sites are crammed up with bloated Ad's - that hog up the screens and in end just give up
Hi, does Control ID work worldwide?
Me: Laptop win 11
Also Me: disables all craps
Me: Laptop with Windows 11
Also Me: Install Linux
After installed the Windows 11, I just hide it the Windows Widget on the taskbar.
Thank you for the news and tips, Leo!
Yeah I switched it off in mine a week ago along with the widgets (not sure if they are the same thing). I've been using Win11 for around a month now, lol.
Not due to malware but because of the shitty sites it spammed, like "10 ways to do X" with those fecking slideshows with ads every 2 slides or so.
I’ve been seeing more and more articles that were written (poorly) by AI linked by that menu lately.
is it outlook getting ads pretty soon too?
Agree - many say Greedy US companies add ad here and everywhere - Windows, Netflix, Disney, CZcams, Amazon ; really ticks me off the ads and puts me off from viewing / running these services
Navigation was too fast for me in the video. For me this worked: Windows key + W (widgets), gear for settings, scroll down to Show or hide feeds, then turn off My Feed.
I am surprised no one has commented that it's NOT the start menu. It's the widget menu. I always disable it and I change the start menu immediately as well. Both suck.
That's the first thing I noticed. He's clicking on weather widget, not start menu. But still very disconcerting.
Security Vector is increased day by day, what to include and what not is become challenging, the zero day should also be treated as extreme and treated accordingly, what if malware could use ai and do Hazardous things before user could notice or even knows it.
Does Portmaster and ControlD play nice together?
I would say that Portmaster is a very friendly application. You may need to reconfigure some of its settings, like secure DNS tab, but besides this it should work smoothly as your system firewall. ControlD looks to me like an advanced (but paid) version of PiHole. In this case there should be no problem
Why can’t MSFT make a good dashboard/news app/feature? Every single of them as ended up being malware aglore
Hey man do you recommend any free Vpns?
make a video about remote access tools and how to find out if you been infected with one because they dont even show up as virurses
Kaspersky premium has a section that shows them
@@Lusc1nt im sure you can block it with general anti spyware but not delete it because its undetected and as soon you dont hav kaspersky or a secure wifi it will re activate
I wonder how long windows 10 will still be a good option?..guess I will just be stuck with whatever software is compatible with win 10 going forward.
I've turned it off at least a handful of times and it just keeps turning itself back on after every update
Unfortunately this is true - we users probably need to check on Bitlocker and Co-pilot Recall settings - Although at moment my understanding Co-pilot Recall is only enabled for new PC's / Tablets with NPU's built in and based on Snapdragon X Elite Platform - I could be very wrong on this
whoa thank you for the info.
And I'm a rare viewer of your videos. But I realize that I have a lot to catch up!
Also nice sponsor :)
Hey thanks for the information @The PC Security Channel Can you make a video about security features like in the google chrome enlargements?
Does anyone know Windows running on virtual machines on Azure and Windows 365 have this an other annoying and potentially malware delivery systems? These Windows instances run on hardware and networks owned by Microsoft. If any of these virtual machines are infected with malware, the bugs can easily spread to other virtual machines in these cloud ecosystems. In short, does Microsoft protect itself more than it protects its customers who use their own hardware in their own networks?
Thank You Very Much This is great!
Same thing with youtube ads or facebook ads
How does ControlD compare to Portmaster?
Probably mass deployment -- Portmaster is installed per device, whereas with ControlD, their DNS server would just have to be set on either each device or just the router.
tercmd, then it would be more suitable to compare ControlD with PiHole.
And again it's a comparison of paid vs free )
OMG! 4:30 minutes into the video before you showed how to disable? You made the point in the first 20 seconds!
i haven't even been given the option to update to windows 11 and i am thriving
You going to talk about Kaspersky being banned in the US?
Was it? I always wondered if the sanctions got them. I don’t live in USA and have not spent any cent on businesses from Russia since the invasion of Ukraine. I know not everybody is to blame, but there must be consequences or else.
at the works computer, every time I clicked on the edge's startpage "ads" it was a scam site lol
You provide good imformation, but with one major flaw. everything is so blurry, if is hard, often impossible, to read what you are pointing at. Having a very visual memory, and sometimes not exactly understanding what you are saying, not being able to read along, makes it very hard to follow at times. I wish you would make the screen clear, just bluring out personal areas of the screen
5:04 Why doesn’t ControlD work with VPNs?
Is controld actually the best dns or is it just because theyve sponsoted you?
Disabled widgets with the crap feeds. Just got the weather app pinned to taskbar.
I don’t know how, but I feel like this is Windows 8 all over again.
That's why I have those widgets disable so I don't see them anymore.
Please test Intego Antivirus
Can't believe no AV's detect Windows 11.
So have to skip a 3 min YT ad, just to see your 7 min ad for some software. welcome to my block list
I use W10 Enterprise IoT LTSC on my gaming PC. Other than that, I hope to never touch Windows ever again. It's either Mac or Linux.
I am the IT spec for a unit of about 50 people, we have a file server and thats about it and lots of random client stuff. Anyway, what is the #1 and #2 thing I need to make sure I am doing in this day and age. I know I need to get my backups backup and up to date, well real backups, like a tape or hard drive in a corner or something right now it all goes to a nas
TL;DR
Turn off Microsoft Start from the Widgets if you feel like it, but unless you click on the links nothing will happen.
Tell me, is there a NEWS APP that isn't full of Ai generated trash or scam?
I always avoid these apps and sites, mey it be from Microsoft, Google, apple or whatever.
I have MSN blocked in everyway shape and form. With fire walls and all my browsers. I ran into this some years ago with malware.
already had it off , thank tpsc
My Windows 11 start menu looks nothing like yours, but then I turned all that crap off when I first logged in.
It's called widgets in taskbar settings. Just turn it off and the button is gone.
Been using Start11 since Win8
Well you can fix performance and all windows bugs problems with the dd program
The first thing to do with a new Windows 11 computer: Insert the Windows 10 install DVD in the DVD drive, then boot from it.
Sitting here wondering why I can't find that settings panel, realized I turned widgets TF off ages ago, & also don't log into Windows with a MS account... I used to joke & say Window was the most successful & prolific computer virus ever... Now I'm less sure it's a joke
Well sad to see windows fall apart like this... People are switching to older windows 10 which is less bloated and has better support for old hardware.
And I have switched to Linux with a simple window manager.
The Windows start menu is a festering pile of crap. Just get Start 11.
True! 😃