Idk how this isn’t mentioned more, like of course we get more Zoro fights and thus we get more evidence he is closer to Luffy, because he is a fighter, he fights. Sanji is primarily a Cook and Strategist and a fighter secondary alongside those. As you said, he’s under the radar, does nobody remember mr prince? While Luffy and Zoro got big battles or fights he was behind the scenes doing shit. Like how is this not talked about more when considering the evidence behind whos stronger, like we will always have slightly more to Zoro because that’s the point to Zoro being Zoro.
@@somenerdpng another perfect example is ennies lobby. While Luffy is still fighting Lucci and Zoro and the rest are dealing with marine captains, Sanji is off preparing for their escape by closing the gates. In Wano now I like to say that Zoro is a Samurai while Sanji is a ninja. Zoro is a swordsman, but also blunt, straightforward, honorable, and in no way attempts to hide or give himself an advantage. Sanji is still obviously pretty honorable himself, but for him it's more about doing what needs to be done even if he doesn't look the best. When King attacked him, he probably didn't really care about "looking bad" or "losing face" he'd done his job of saving momonosuke. Sanji is stealth, observant, quick and silent, and keeps a cool head (unless women are involved and then he invokes his inner pervy sage and throws logic out the damn window)
Dunno how many more arcs it’ll take for people to get this. Sanji is often doing stuff on the low that essentially saves the whole crew. I’m more of a Zoro guy myself but like everyone, Sanji’s got his role and it goes deeper than people remember. He’s not just the cook or the third best guy.
@et de stellis we understand it waa mentioned in the video, we’re talking about the fact more people don’t realise it in the community when it’s so obvious
I see Luffy as a "right handed character", Zoro as his right hand is the hand he uses the most, what he is most comfortable with and gets the job done most often but Sanji is Luffy's underrated, finesse hand, that he uses to pimp slap people with, it goes under the radar and hits you when you least expect it
I relate so much to Morj rn lol. That moment when you forget to rename the file before uploading it and it appears as it was in the editing software, "morj zoro sanji pt 2" style lmao
The only reason sanji couldn’t beat virgo was cause his body was heavily injured by nami. Remember how nami in sanji’s body was being beat to death by faint crack kids. And how she was impressed by sanji’s durability and said she would’ve died if it was her body.
I mean people get crazy about the bone crack but it's not like Zoro and other characters dont get injured during a fight so I dont understand why people still bring that up. Also Sanji got some really crazy hits on Vergo too, I definitely think he would have won if the fight went on
@@zenox2924 it literally does, as you take damage your bones acummulate micro fissures, wich can enlarge and became bigger fissures the more damage you take, if you dont know how bones work then dont say dumb shit
@UCyr6N9M-eFXOyVF2sqkwwvg That's litterally not true. The guy could definitely still fight, fucking Usopp could fight with his SKULL smashed to pieces. Also it was a crack on a bone it's not like his leg was pulverized
@@gladehartdreamer5620 please don’t bring real world logic in a series where milk can regrow bones, Luffy can somehow blow air into his arm bone and inflate his whole skeleton, and ussopp can have his skull split multiple times and be perfectly fine like a week later
@@nonyabusiness366 its not dumb, its enjoyable and nice!! ONLY if you mantain the ambiguity that are there almost with all characters. and for some dudes that its irritating, more if are dudes who saw lot of shonnen and cant get away the standar. So, for example i could never put a top 15 opiece characters in a straight line, but i enjoy thinking the best path. Just like the order morj put in this video
off topic but whatever, ope ope gives a person immortality, and u combine with Uranus which can see the future in expense of your lifespan, making IM an immortal all knowing person who can eliminate his greatest threat hence looking at the bounties of Vivi, Luffy, Blackbeard, and Shirahoshi. No wonder doffy wants ope ope and the treasure combo. really blows my mind finding out just a moment ago with Mr.Morj previous videos.
KOL thinks Eneru is one of the fastest guys in the verse if not the fastest. Yet pre-geared luffy clapped him. Luffy didn't have gear 2 for speed and still beat eneru down while having a giant golden bell attached to his arm XD Like so much for speed and observation haki. Call a spade a spade.
@@nodaridadiani7984 that's because zoro and sanji have been with us far too longer than jimbe. So, obviously they would have more fans. But considering how much time he has passed as a nakama, I think he has a fair amounts of fans. Actually, I think he has more fans than some of the older nakamas such as chopper or even nami. People like nami as waifu, but aside from that you won't find that many fans of her. Actually, I rarely see any nami fans in the community.
It's amazing in hindsight how much Jinbe helped Luffy during the Marineford saga. How many people expected that to lead to him becoming a Straw Hat? Like, he was saying he'd give his life to protect him, but the fact that he merely agreed to do it upon seeing his valiant effort is what surprised me.
Imagine my surprise when the guy that wants to become the strongest swordsman in the world turns out to be stronger than a cook who refuses to use his hands to fight
Zoro wants to be the Strongest Swordsman in the World. Sanji just wants to find the all blue. The fact that a chef is ambiguously as strong as the guy who wants to be the World's Strongest Swordsman is already a win for Sanji.
@@zachyjoe1 That's the prevalent theory but it isn't necessarily implied in the dream itself. Sanji as a kid was not thinking he'd have to be strong or do those things to obtain that dream. He just wanted to find all blue due to his chef expertise rather than his fighting expertise as it was a cook's paradise. Sanji then and most likely still now thinks all blue is a place he can find somewhere out there on the sea that already exists. The redline theory after all could be wrong, even though it's very enticing. He's learned that to make it on the sea he will have to grow in strength but I'd argue thats more for the sake of Sanji wanting to support Luffy's dream in the hopes that Luffy's dream will lead to his. The fact that he was already strong was more due to his upbringing and his chivalric ideals rather than his dream. My point is that there's nothing in Sanji's dream that requires him to be strong. Now it may take the actions of the strong and the destruction of the redline to actually come to fruition but no chef in the one piece world is dreaming of all blue and actively training to oppose the world government for the sake of that dream. Whereas anyone wanting to be the world's strongest swordsman is definitely training anyway they can to become as strong as they can.
Again, zorotards use evidence that isn't evidence to prove that Zoro > Sanji. Sanji wants to protect his friends, why wouldn't he want to become as strong as possible.
Slightly off topic but I actually, legitimately think, and neither of them would admit this, but if you asked Zoro or Sanji who you’d want backing them up in a fight other than Luffy, and could read their thoughts, they would pick the other.
It lowkey ticks me off that some fans feel the need to argue that their favorite character is stronger, equal or weaker than the other. What difference does the power make? Sometimes i really think zorofans/sanjifans only like that character if they meet their expectations powerwise, and throw out their characteristics. And as morj mentioned, its like ammo for them. Thats just disgusting, Zoro and Sanji are probably the most popular characters and many just tend to hate the other, sometimes for the weakest arguments like "I dont like the fanbase of that character"
That's kinda the purpose of battle shonen, dude. Comparisons of characters and their power levels are one of the key elements for a story that heavily involves combat to get ahead.
@@Shark-hn4mv The purpose of shonen manga, as Jump's motto implies, is to teach children about Friendship, perseverance and victory, the power scaling is just there to basically click bait people so they can see the actual story the author's trying to tell, at least for the post dragon ball era.
@@Shark-hn4mv There's more to a character than "he stronger than anything he so cool." The point of a battle shonen isn't to constantly compare characters and power levels, it's to see the growth of a character over time as they develop and move closer to their goals, that's the appeal of One Piece at least. Power scaling and power levels are boring and take away more than they add to a story imo.
Fully agree, it feels like certain fans only read one piece because of that character which is just crazy to me. Obviously people will have their favorites but the manga itself should always be the most important aspect.
I think that Zoro is definitely physically stronger but, Sanji is probably more dangerous. Sanji is constantly doing things behind the scenes. He was Mr. Prince in Alabasta, he sabotaged the Arc in Skypia, boarded the sea train at Water 7, etc. He does these things almost every arc. When looking at power most people tend to look at raw strength and that is important, but I think intelligence/tatical thinking also adds to strength.
Well yea but sanji barely does that shit now Plus in eyes of the WG people with conquerors haki are generally considered very dangerous and threatening. And zoro is one of what 5 people that have advanced conquerors haki. Also first mate of the PK
Finally! Was waiting for someone to bring this stuff up. The straw hats would have been defeated/killed a long time ago of Sanji had not had the intelligence to make those decisions.
I think the dynamic between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji is very interesting and something you don’t see a lot in other Shonen manga. They all have their own role to play in each arc/fight so they each have their own unique importance to the story
Another unique thing is that Luffy doesn't really have a rival. He doesn't have his own Sasuke, Killua, Vegeta, Bakugou, Kaiba etc. So the dynamic between Zoro and Luffy gets to focus more in mutual respect, camaraderie and loyalty than a desire to surpass the other or something on the line.
@@soulscribe_h You say that when Luffy and Zoro definitely had that "Naruto vs Sasuke" moment in Whiskey Peak, good thing Nami stopped that stuff from going any further (I feel like Oda was communicating to the reader in that moment that its stupid to think about squabbles like that lol)
Regarding the Zoro v Luffy fight I would take it with a grain of salt. That was clearly an editor's doing because he believed that the fans would like it. The fight itself is very random and goes against the way Luffy would behave in any other instances: he would never doubt his nakama by saying he was wrong about them. Heck, he didn't doubt Robin or Nami even for a second despite what the whole ordeal looked like.
*Someone tells Luffy that Nami killed Usopp* Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself *Someone tells Luffy that Robin tried to assassinate Iceberg* Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself *Someone tells Luffy that Zoro attacked them* Luffy: That bastard. Next time I see him, I'll kill him.
@@islandboy9381 I suggest that you read my comment again. I never said Oda said it. I said that a careful reader can Identify it as a fan service strategy by looking at the internal consistency of the story.
@@Nitro-wg6sr he put Zoro in C tier when he made Supernova tier list and alsot made videos in which he keep saying sanji was stronger than Zoro during this and that moment. Man also Said Vergo > garp. He is literally so dumb in powerscaling
@@Nitro-wg6sr Sanji and Shanks. Every single take and video he makes revolves around trying to justify where he places those two strength wise, even when indirectly doing so. For example: a large amount of his Garp hate is purely because he doesnt like the idea of there being active characters stronger than the 4 yonko, who would then be potentially stronger than Shanks, whom he thinks is the strongest character alive rn. He does the same for Mihawk but for a more direct reason.
@@cy4069 lol yeah, idc if you have Shanks above Kaido based ofg headcanon but this guy acts like there's actual reasoning that Shanks is stronger than Kaido
No mention of what Sanji did in Whole-Cake Island? - Blocked Big Mom's attack with together with Luffy (equal portraying) - Dodged Katakuri's shot (Luffy went on to fight Katakuri, and Katakuri used future-sight to prepare that shot)
The Katakuri one definitely, but not the Big Mom one. They blocked a single attack together. It's not as though they both blocked two separate attacks on their own.
Oh right, Morj actually forgot about that. Also how Sanji kicked the ass of Oven within a seconds, fighting Daifuku many times and destroying candy of Peros that is really hard(take note that Pedro sacrificed his life so the crew could escape from peros candy)
Thank you for going over this from the angle of - this is a story and the author makes deliberate decisions to portray characters in certain ways. Instead of looking at feats in a scientific way as if these were events that actually occurred. Your argument is much better than the 5000m of water pressure type arguments.
Why is that argument better? A good story conveys what it wants to convey trough creating a believable world(as in internally consistent, not necessarily consistent with our reality) and it achieves that with simple logical chains. To ignore that and strictly rely on meta elements(i.e the author basically telling us what he wants us to believe) to decide what is "true" of the story makes the whole process of actually writing the story pretty pointless since he could literally just tell us what the dynamic is and that would accomplish the same thing. From the writer's perspective it's perfectly fine to start with what you want to convey and build the reality of your world around that. But a reader should not start with what the author wants to convey and try to interpret the reality of the world based on that. The reality is your basis and if it doesn't match with what the author wants to be true, that's on the author.
@@DIVAD291 The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics. How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats. Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong. Ace also have very few feats but we know he must have been strong. Authors aren't always doing physics calculations to accurately determine exactly how strong a character is. Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light. Rayleigh can keep up with Kizaru, that doesn't mean that Rayleigh moves at the speed of light. That's not to say judging a character's strength based on feats is wrong, but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important.
@@SilverRyuu "The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics." I never said we should apply real world physics to evaluate things in the fictional world but the author typically establishes what the physics and logic of his world are(that would be the most important part of world building). So I don't really see that as a problem. " How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats." I disagree...a mismatch between a character's actual power in the story and how they are portrayed can be incredibly jarring. It's not uncommon for a character to have an ability that would be insanely op in the world the author created but the author fails to recognize it so they portray the character as weak or an ability/action could have an obvious flaw but the author doesn't realise it so he portrays the character as "flawless". When those things happen it can be extremely tiring because it creates cognitive dissonance and it makes it very difficult to maintain your suspension of disbelief and that makes the story less enjoyable. Take the last jedi as an example. The holdo character completely fails as a leader but the movie tries to portray her as a good leader despite basically every decision she makes being incredibly stupid and that made it very hard to sit trough. I understand not everyone reacts the same but most people at least subconsciously understand that what they are told is different from what they are seeing and that's going to make their experience slightly worse even if they don't quite understand what the issue was. If the reality of your story doesn't match with what you want to say, you can't just say it anyway. You have to make the reality convey what you are trying to say. "Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong." When we have little information to go on it makes sense to make your prediction on how strong a character will be on how strong the author tells you that character is. That doesn't really mean anything because it's just normal that the less information you have the more important the information you do have is. By example if the author never portrayed a character as weak or strong but gave a clear feat he accomplished that would require the character to be strong it would make sense to assume the character is strong despite not knowing how the author is going to portray him.(this pretty much never happens because it's hard to show a character doing something requiring a lot of power without portraying him as strong at the same time) The other reason it doesn't mean anything is that you're just predicting how strong a character will be...it's when you actually see their actions that you can judge if they live up to what the author described or not. "Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light." Again, the world the author creates doesn't have to respect the exact physics of the real world but it has to establish it's physics and logic need to remain somewhat consistent. "but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important." Let's say I wrote a story about a guy that can lift houses and outsmart Einstein but despite that I consistently portrayed that character as being weak/stupid even tough no one else is able to do those thing in the story. That would come off as a comedy because of how ridiculous it would be to genuinely write like that. And if for some reason you didn't think I was joking you would understand that this character is actually strong in the story even tough as a writer im insisting that he isn't. You would naturally value the reality of the story over the portrayal of the character. How the character is portrayed is important in predicting the future of the story and understanding the message of the story but it is not important in understanding the reality of the story.
@@DIVAD291 The initial comment was about breaking feats down into a science. Writers aren't doing complex physics equations to determine exactly how strong a character needs to be to do a specific thing. Let me make a correction. Assuming good (or at least competent) writing, character portrayals are more important than feats. If they contradict, a problem arises, however if they don't portrayals are more important when determining how strong a character is. In fact, a character's feats are part of the way a character is portrayed. They aren't exclusive. If a character's feats and their portrayal contradict than that is simply a failure to portray the character in the way you want. If you portray a character as a genius but all their feats say otherwise than you're failing to portray the character properly. When feats are absent, or when feats and portrayals don't contradict, you rely on portrayals to have a grasp on the relations between characters. In the event that they do, that's a failure on the author's part. The biggest issue with feats (and with power scaling in general) is that not all feats are comparable. Feats give you a general idea of a character's strength and abilities, but things don't always go the way you expect. It's difficult to explain but let me give an example: If we look purely at strengths and weaknesses, as well as their physical abilities, than you could make the argument that Zoro should beat Luffy in a fight especially pre-gears. Physically they are comparable to one another but Zoro's swords give him the advantage since Luffy can't defend against them. However, we know that Luffy at the very least is equal or stronger than Zoro based on the way they are portrayed.
@@jonathandelgado3755 my bad. Thought you were one of those people that are dead set on this thing failing.. I understand a theory, but not people holding it as a fact
@@user-of8ex8ne3v Well the way the scene plays out Sanji was planning to block the punch solo and so was Luffy which implies at that moment they both had enough power to block Big Mom's punch alone if need be. So yeah, I'd say it counts.
Uh, no, Sanji's body was scientifically improved by his father. What's actually impressive is that he wasn't as complete as his brothers yet still was shown stronger than them even without his raid suit.
It's just off screened, Luffy should train too in between arcs the same way Usopp came up with gadgets early on the grand line off screen and how Nami maps the places they go too according to Oda
About the Enies Lobby power levels, Kaku's powerlevel was above Jyabura before he eats the zone devil fruit and he was definitely significantly powerful in his zone form than base form. Don't know how people miss this.
Could you also play devils advocate and say he was also inexperienced with his DF which helped him lose against zoro even though he adapted quickly time spent developing a DF has no comparison. I felt like I was low key doing a sanji vs zoro in there...
I love your way of explaining this and it makes so much sense. To me One Piece is a story of adventure and characters and “Power Scaling” will always fall second to a good story
Luffy: hordy jones on drugs, doffy (with help), cracker, katakuri, fujitora, now knocked out kaido in base his arsenal: 2 advanced hakis, gears that can take out top tiers like katakuri, conquerer haki, crazy endurance zoro: monet, pica, fujitora (bleeds from inside affter taking ONE gravity attack) (with help), killer(tie), hawkins who didnt go all out, apoo who got up again sanji: doffy, vergo(with ruined body from nami), king (tanked his attack and saved momo) u cant really say zoro is close to luffy when the strongest zoro beat is pica😭 u reaching.
Oda purposely put sanji in situations that makes him look “bad” like doffy but fact remains that those characters takes luffy and another supernova to beat
@@Tensai1031 look, vergo was stronger than pica but pica had a pretty good devil fruit, sanji even though was damaged a bit against vergo doesn't tell much to me, vergo had superior armament haki so he managed to best sanji hence his shin cracked, he even fought with sanji's style using only his legs, zoro didn't get a single scratch against pica even through the barrage of attacks pica was throwing and he also had superior armament haki and one shot him, that to me says that zoro is superior to sanji if you think otherwise I don't know what to say to you
Highly biased breakdown Completely left out Nami beating Zoro and Luffy at the same time with *one punch* . I didn't expect this to be better than part 1. Great to see another video without coughing. Hope the editor didn't even have coughs to edit out.
It wouldn’t make sense for a cook who only uses his legs to somehow be as strong as the strongest swordsman in the world. Just saying. It’s leg vs sword.
Yep. Zoro and Sanji have VERY different strengths but are equal in "strength". Zoro can take down Kaido with his swords, Sanji took down Big Mom with a cake.
I love both Zoro and Sanji but its clear that Zoro has always been portrayed as stronger. Yes they are rivals but Zoro is clearly stronger. I say this as a massive Sanji fan aswell as Zoro fan.
When Zoro fought Mr 1, he completely outmatched him in every aspect. The only thing holding him back was the fact he couldn’t cut steel. Once he learnt how to do that, he one shot Mr 1.
@Young Victor picture it man, if he didnt cut him in one go, zoro would be stabbing him until he broke or died? 😂 cmonnn the only way zoro can win battles is through a cut (up to three) in one shot. thats the whole point right?
@@jonsnow947, both Mihawk and Zoro showed signs of Advanced Armament Haki even in the Pre-Timeskip Era, but Zoro didn’t knew he had Advanced Armament Haki like Mihawk does until he trained with Mihawk for 2 years, so he can surpass Mihawk in strength and become the worlds greatest swordsman without being a Warlord or an Emperor working for the Marines and the World Government like how Shanks is still an Emperor, and Mihawk is now longer a Warlord.
If sanji is stronger than Zoro then zoro is just useless for the crew because sanji’s main occupation on ship is a cook and zoro on the other hand is just a swordsman that wants to be the strongest
What's funny is those "fans" who thinks that Page 1 is stronger than sanji (even in his raid suit) just because he could block his quick and punch him into some buildings, but they forgot that Jabura did an exactly same feat against sanji before but after sanji destroyed him with his Diable Jambe
Zoans are a bad matchup for Sanji, i had expectations on the destructive power with raid suit + diable but its just that he was impressive, but Page 1 is very tanky, he most likely used to be a captain, so we can't blame Sanji for not hurting him much. Best Matchup Against Zoans are swords and Oden proved that. Zoro woulda done much better than Sanji and I'm not a Zoro fanboy, its just that Matchups sometimes matter.
Just because he doesn't use them doesn't automatically mean he would be really good at using his hands...lk coz Luffy doesn't use his legs much doesn't mean he'll automatically become a leg expert
@@haremking7256 except he already showed for brief moments his hand skills and he is actually good, so if he let himself do and train a little bit to use them, yeah
Zoro has always been stronger than Sanji Its been shown through out the series many times. I like them both equally but Sanji has his main job as a Cook and Zoro as a Fighter its really clear that Zoro is stronger.
I like that you brought up the difficulty of Luffy's fight against Rob Lucci compared to Zoro and Sanji's respective fights. I think it was only post time skip (Dressrosa) where we saw what looked like a significant gap between Luffy and Sanji against Doffy, and perhaps indirectly with Zoro briefly taking on Fujitora. With the exception of the Dressrosa saga (where Sanji wasn't present by the end of it) and similarly Skypea (where Sanji ran into the big bad early on), the power scaling dynamic got resolved back to default, which is like you said, Luffy greater or equal to Zoro and Zoro greater or equal to Sanji. Even though Sanji is supposedly "just the cook", he's much more than that, being the protege of "Red-Leg" Zeff who was a pirate captain, Sanji inherited his will of finding the All Blue as well as his skills. Sanji is someone who could have been a pirate captain himself, and the same is true for Zoro. This is what makes the Straw Hats stand above the other supernovae. And now if all goes well, they'll have Jinbe and Yamato up there as well... a truly monstrous crew :)
It's also very possible to make an argument that Jiabura is stronger than Kaku because he had time to train with his fruit, while Kaku's fruit use, while being very powerful, was very flawed. And Sanji was also seriously injured from his fight with Kalifa
I'm like them both, Sanji a little bit more. It is pretty obvious that Zoro is stronger than Sanji. I don't underestsnd how this confusion came in the first place. Both of them have their own qualities that makes them both equally badass. Fans need to understand that.
how the confusion came ??? I think that's peen pressure talking, Zoro and Sanji rivalry started in little garden where they were compared with 2 giants who for 100 years couldn't settle their score. then the only time their enemies stacked up against each other was Water 7 where the difference between their fighters was literally only 10 points diff.
@@sohailsadaqat6684 I came into community recently but their rivalry is not like naruto sasuke who will get stronger rivalry. The like to argue about everything. I always saw luffy>zoro>sanji. People like KOL started this and fans started to follow thats it. Love the monster trio. It will be too disrespectful for Sanji to cook, not train much and still be as strong as zoro and luffy. Still he is comparable that itself is great
I don't think a lot of people think Sanji is stronger. Very very few people say that and I think some of them know it's not true but they don't wanna admit it. Both are my favorite Strawhats with Sanji being my absolute favorite, there's no shame in him being weaker.r
I like this model! It makes sense and acknowledges all the scenes we've got and honestly matches with the different character roles like you mentioned.
@@kxb6098 powerscalers are dumb in general and basically biased on their fav characters and gets butthurt if anyone else is stronger than their favorites, morj powersclaed these 2 better than 90% of people who argues daily about Sanji and Zoro
Being under the radar is part of Sanji's character, the guy even has a suit named stealth black that includes stealth abilities.
Idk how this isn’t mentioned more, like of course we get more Zoro fights and thus we get more evidence he is closer to Luffy, because he is a fighter, he fights. Sanji is primarily a Cook and Strategist and a fighter secondary alongside those. As you said, he’s under the radar, does nobody remember mr prince? While Luffy and Zoro got big battles or fights he was behind the scenes doing shit. Like how is this not talked about more when considering the evidence behind whos stronger, like we will always have slightly more to Zoro because that’s the point to Zoro being Zoro.
@@somenerdpng another perfect example is ennies lobby. While Luffy is still fighting Lucci and Zoro and the rest are dealing with marine captains, Sanji is off preparing for their escape by closing the gates. In Wano now I like to say that Zoro is a Samurai while Sanji is a ninja. Zoro is a swordsman, but also blunt, straightforward, honorable, and in no way attempts to hide or give himself an advantage. Sanji is still obviously pretty honorable himself, but for him it's more about doing what needs to be done even if he doesn't look the best. When King attacked him, he probably didn't really care about "looking bad" or "losing face" he'd done his job of saving momonosuke. Sanji is stealth, observant, quick and silent, and keeps a cool head (unless women are involved and then he invokes his inner pervy sage and throws logic out the damn window)
Dunno how many more arcs it’ll take for people to get this. Sanji is often doing stuff on the low that essentially saves the whole crew. I’m more of a Zoro guy myself but like everyone, Sanji’s got his role and it goes deeper than people remember. He’s not just the cook or the third best guy.
@et de stellis we understand it waa mentioned in the video, we’re talking about the fact more people don’t realise it in the community when it’s so obvious
@@varunnarayanswamy8084 that’s actually a great comparison, Zoro is a Samurai, Sanji is a ninja.
“Morji Zoro sanji part 2” is apart of the greatest one piece content ever made
* a part
Morji ?
Are people actually calling him Morji? Im disgusted
What manga is your profile pic from?
It seems like Oda is pushing sanji down to make room for jimbe and maybe even Yamato
Sanji: talent
Zoro: hard work
Luffy: Luffy
Agreed
I 100% agree with
Did you just say sanji is talent? How far are you into the series
@@manofculture7389 Zoro trains 24/7 and is only slightly stronger than Sanji.
@@someoneelse3456 You are wrong Sanji is result of dna modification by the germa, that isn't talent at all.
I see Luffy as a "right handed character", Zoro as his right hand is the hand he uses the most, what he is most comfortable with and gets the job done most often but Sanji is Luffy's underrated, finesse hand, that he uses to pimp slap people with, it goes under the radar and hits you when you least expect it
A year later and this aged well
3 years later and this aged well
Only 90s kids will remember when this video was called "morj zoro sanji part 2"
just turn on vid notification ppl and u will get it
Yup lol.
are 90s considered old now?
@@Romeis kids born in 1999 are now about 21, people who were kids in 1990 can be 45 now
@@sleepyninjarin7971 The oldest you could be if you were born in 1990 is 30.
Thats oda doing meta story telling.
Of course zoro is LOST somewhere!
Yooooooo! Zoros sense of direction is so bad it even effects where he lies between Luffy and Sanji. Love it.
best comment! XD
fuck man. this guy cracked the code
This comment is underrated.
Sorry but I'm stealing your comment
Only true fans were here for 'morj zoro sanji pt 2'.
LMAOOOOOOOO
I was here
I am a usopp fans and i was here before title change
yo
@@Inevitable_Innovation lol what was the change
In Luffy's right hand; a katana, In his left; a chef's knife with a piece of meat on it.
I relate so much to Morj rn lol. That moment when you forget to rename the file before uploading it and it appears as it was in the editing software, "morj zoro sanji pt 2" style lmao
The only reason sanji couldn’t beat virgo was cause his body was heavily injured by nami. Remember how nami in sanji’s body was being beat to death by faint crack kids. And how she was impressed by sanji’s durability and said she would’ve died if it was her body.
Wow but that still doesn’t mean how his bone broke
I mean people get crazy about the bone crack but it's not like Zoro and other characters dont get injured during a fight so I dont understand why people still bring that up. Also Sanji got some really crazy hits on Vergo too, I definitely think he would have won if the fight went on
@@zenox2924 it literally does, as you take damage your bones acummulate micro fissures, wich can enlarge and became bigger fissures the more damage you take, if you dont know how bones work then dont say dumb shit
@UCyr6N9M-eFXOyVF2sqkwwvg That's litterally not true. The guy could definitely still fight, fucking Usopp could fight with his SKULL smashed to pieces. Also it was a crack on a bone it's not like his leg was pulverized
@@gladehartdreamer5620 please don’t bring real world logic in a series where milk can regrow bones, Luffy can somehow blow air into his arm bone and inflate his whole skeleton, and ussopp can have his skull split multiple times and be perfectly fine like a week later
Morj literally destroying powerscalers and their sacred faith claiming even the GOda himself didn't powerscale Sanji and Zoro.
No he didn’t if you’re to slow to keep up with power scalers just say it.
@@nonyabusiness366 I mean...worlds most wanted man he has to at least be strong for that.
@@nonyabusiness366 true
@@iroh6558 Powerscaling? Whos is fighting Kaido? And who is dealing with Tobi Roppo? There is your Sanji vs Zoro answer.
@@nonyabusiness366 its not dumb, its enjoyable and nice!! ONLY if you mantain the ambiguity that are there almost with all characters. and for some dudes that its irritating, more if are dudes who saw lot of shonnen and cant get away the standar. So, for example i could never put a top 15 opiece characters in a straight line, but i enjoy thinking the best path. Just like the order morj put in this video
Flashback to "morj momo tama"
This is the sequel we needed
“The fact that He gets temporary god like power whenever a woman is in danger”
“, but no one Ever mentions it. “😂
It’s a real feat lol. His desire allows it.
Yup but Afro luffy still the strongest
H E L L M E M O R I E S
Yo isn’t that his most powerful attack
I dunno if setting on fire can be classed as god-like powers.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Morj zoro Sanji Pt 2
Again, Usopp fans are just chillin' amongst this whole Zoro vs Sanji debate.
Cause usopp is a god, he shouldn't be compared to mere mortals
@Young Victor you figured it out
Easy to be relaxed when your favorite character is the literal God of the entire One Piece verse
Luffy fans be chilling
Y'all be talking about how usopp is vice captain
Chilling my ass
Just leave the title like this to troll the people who commented “here before the title changes”
off topic but whatever, ope ope gives a person immortality, and u combine with Uranus which can see the future in expense of your lifespan, making IM an immortal all knowing person who can eliminate his greatest threat hence looking at the bounties of Vivi, Luffy, Blackbeard, and Shirahoshi. No wonder doffy wants ope ope and the treasure combo. really blows my mind finding out just a moment ago with Mr.Morj previous videos.
The only problem is why is it expiring (as said by doffy)?
Sanji can cook me dinner so I would choose him over Zoro
but he would physically assault you if you disrespected the food. zoro is the safer bet.
@@revantobias8567 cry me a river
@@revantobias8567 why would I insult his food?! He’s literally the best cook in the show
@@squigglypop8748
His pathology runs deep. To such unstable characters like him, simple disatifaction could lead to assault.
@@revantobias8567 lmao you're probably one of those dudes that says "mom im done" even tho u still have like 1/4of food on ur plate
Ah, morj zoro sanji pt 2, such an elaborate and deep video title, very thought-provoking
morj zoro vs sanji pt 2
Mans just stopped caring for a little while.
KOL thinks Eneru is one of the fastest guys in the verse if not the fastest. Yet pre-geared luffy clapped him.
Luffy didn't have gear 2 for speed and still beat eneru down while having a giant golden bell attached to his arm XD
Like so much for speed and observation haki. Call a spade a spade.
Meanwhile jinbei be like: yall got fans ? 😅
@Jordan Vance it seems so small in comparison to sanji and zoro fans lol
@@nodaridadiani7984 that's because zoro and sanji have been with us far too longer than jimbe. So, obviously they would have more fans. But considering how much time he has passed as a nakama, I think he has a fair amounts of fans. Actually, I think he has more fans than some of the older nakamas such as chopper or even nami. People like nami as waifu, but aside from that you won't find that many fans of her. Actually, I rarely see any nami fans in the community.
Bruh Jinbei was there to remind Luffy what he was, forget ZvS, it’s been Luffy and Jinbei always for me
It's amazing in hindsight how much Jinbe helped Luffy during the Marineford saga. How many people expected that to lead to him becoming a Straw Hat? Like, he was saying he'd give his life to protect him, but the fact that he merely agreed to do it upon seeing his valiant effort is what surprised me.
Jinbei stronger than Sanji
As a sanji fan through and through, I can completely admit that Zoro is stronger. It’s just a fact stated by the series.
Zoro kinda has to be he's the first mate, the Rayleigh to Luffy's Roger.
Imagine my surprise when the guy that wants to become the strongest swordsman in the world turns out to be stronger than a cook who refuses to use his hands to fight
The debate isn't if who's stronger between Zoro & Sanji
The real debate is the gap between them.
@@vinnie4538 not true at all, some fans truly really believe sanji is stronger than zoro
I appreciate people like you
Zoro wants to be the Strongest Swordsman in the World. Sanji just wants to find the all blue. The fact that a chef is ambiguously as strong as the guy who wants to be the World's Strongest Swordsman is already a win for Sanji.
Even though the all blue would require you to defeat the world government and break the red line?
@@zachyjoe1 That's the prevalent theory but it isn't necessarily implied in the dream itself. Sanji as a kid was not thinking he'd have to be strong or do those things to obtain that dream. He just wanted to find all blue due to his chef expertise rather than his fighting expertise as it was a cook's paradise. Sanji then and most likely still now thinks all blue is a place he can find somewhere out there on the sea that already exists. The redline theory after all could be wrong, even though it's very enticing.
He's learned that to make it on the sea he will have to grow in strength but I'd argue thats more for the sake of Sanji wanting to support Luffy's dream in the hopes that Luffy's dream will lead to his. The fact that he was already strong was more due to his upbringing and his chivalric ideals rather than his dream.
My point is that there's nothing in Sanji's dream that requires him to be strong. Now it may take the actions of the strong and the destruction of the redline to actually come to fruition but no chef in the one piece world is dreaming of all blue and actively training to oppose the world government for the sake of that dream. Whereas anyone wanting to be the world's strongest swordsman is definitely training anyway they can to become as strong as they can.
@@zachyjoe1 we don't even know if thats even true yet, its still an speculation.
Again, zorotards use evidence that isn't evidence to prove that Zoro > Sanji. Sanji wants to protect his friends, why wouldn't he want to become as strong as possible.
@@Pharomid Don't they all want to protect their friends though? This includes Usopp and Nami.
Slightly off topic but I actually, legitimately think, and neither of them would admit this, but if you asked Zoro or Sanji who you’d want backing them up in a fight other than Luffy, and could read their thoughts, they would pick the other.
That doesn't mean anything
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 thats why he said it is offtopic, no?
Well... Yea cuz the next strongest would be jinbei and then franky. Jinbei is new and franky isn't on either zoros or sanjis level
@@emjay1249 u on drugs?
@@uriahthegreat5004 u didn't comprehend my comment
It lowkey ticks me off that some fans feel the need to argue that their favorite character is stronger, equal or weaker than the other. What difference does the power make? Sometimes i really think zorofans/sanjifans only like that character if they meet their expectations powerwise, and throw out their characteristics. And as morj mentioned, its like ammo for them. Thats just disgusting, Zoro and Sanji are probably the most popular characters and many just tend to hate the other, sometimes for the weakest arguments like "I dont like the fanbase of that character"
That's kinda the purpose of battle shonen, dude. Comparisons of characters and their power levels are one of the key elements for a story that heavily involves combat to get ahead.
@@Shark-hn4mv sadly that conversation in this case is so toxic
@@Shark-hn4mv The purpose of shonen manga, as Jump's motto implies, is to teach children about Friendship, perseverance and victory, the power scaling is just there to basically click bait people so they can see the actual story the author's trying to tell, at least for the post dragon ball era.
@@Shark-hn4mv There's more to a character than "he stronger than anything he so cool." The point of a battle shonen isn't to constantly compare characters and power levels, it's to see the growth of a character over time as they develop and move closer to their goals, that's the appeal of One Piece at least. Power scaling and power levels are boring and take away more than they add to a story imo.
Fully agree, it feels like certain fans only read one piece because of that character which is just crazy to me. Obviously people will have their favorites but the manga itself should always be the most important aspect.
I think that Zoro is definitely physically stronger but, Sanji is probably more dangerous. Sanji is constantly doing things behind the scenes. He was Mr. Prince in Alabasta, he sabotaged the Arc in Skypia, boarded the sea train at Water 7, etc. He does these things almost every arc. When looking at power most people tend to look at raw strength and that is important, but I think intelligence/tatical thinking also adds to strength.
Notice how everything you mentioned is pre-timeskip
Well yea but sanji barely does that shit now
Plus in eyes of the WG people with conquerors haki are generally considered very dangerous and threatening. And zoro is one of what 5 people that have advanced conquerors haki. Also first mate of the PK
Finally! Was waiting for someone to bring this stuff up. The straw hats would have been defeated/killed a long time ago of Sanji had not had the intelligence to make those decisions.
And now he falls for basic traps in Wano and needs Robin to come help him. The dangerously smart Sanji has been missing since the timeskip
he might be the lunarian so i guess there is a chance is might get physically stronger too
I always think that
Zoro: muscle
Sanji: brains
They are both strong though
It's lk u haven't watched onepiece
@@haremking7256 yeah like u
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "luffy at the top, sanji third and zoro somewhere in the middle"
This guy deserves an award for best explaining things
I think the dynamic between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji is very interesting and something you don’t see a lot in other Shonen manga. They all have their own role to play in each arc/fight so they each have their own unique importance to the story
Very valid point! I concur! And that’s the reason I love One Piece!
Another unique thing is that Luffy doesn't really have a rival. He doesn't have his own Sasuke, Killua, Vegeta, Bakugou, Kaiba etc. So the dynamic between Zoro and Luffy gets to focus more in mutual respect, camaraderie and loyalty than a desire to surpass the other or something on the line.
@@soulscribe_h the entire crew growing along with/for Luffy just makes this feeling tenfold more wholesome
@@soulscribe_h You say that when Luffy and Zoro definitely had that "Naruto vs Sasuke" moment in Whiskey Peak, good thing Nami stopped that stuff from going any further (I feel like Oda was communicating to the reader in that moment that its stupid to think about squabbles like that lol)
Regarding the Zoro v Luffy fight I would take it with a grain of salt.
That was clearly an editor's doing because he believed that the fans would like it.
The fight itself is very random and goes against the way Luffy would behave in any other instances: he would never doubt his nakama by saying he was wrong about them.
Heck, he didn't doubt Robin or Nami even for a second despite what the whole ordeal looked like.
also, Nami one shot both of them :/
@@joshlyman7059 maybe if nami believes in herself shhe could be the strongest person in OP...
*Someone tells Luffy that Nami killed Usopp*
Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself
*Someone tells Luffy that Robin tried to assassinate Iceberg*
Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself
*Someone tells Luffy that Zoro attacked them*
Luffy: That bastard. Next time I see him, I'll kill him.
Do you have any source where Oda said that was an editors idea?
@@islandboy9381 I suggest that you read my comment again. I never said Oda said it. I said that a careful reader can Identify it as a fan service strategy by looking at the internal consistency of the story.
Morj approaching Zoro vs Sanji with facts.
Powerscaling a-holes: *sad KOL noises*
I’ve lost respect for KOL his been EXTRA bias lately not even hiding it 🤦🏾
@@enskeez6815 who’s he biased towards?
@@Nitro-wg6sr he put Zoro in C tier when he made Supernova tier list and alsot made videos in which he keep saying sanji was stronger than Zoro during this and that moment. Man also Said Vergo > garp. He is literally so dumb in powerscaling
@@Nitro-wg6sr Sanji and Shanks. Every single take and video he makes revolves around trying to justify where he places those two strength wise, even when indirectly doing so.
For example: a large amount of his Garp hate is purely because he doesnt like the idea of there being active characters stronger than the 4 yonko, who would then be potentially stronger than Shanks, whom he thinks is the strongest character alive rn. He does the same for Mihawk but for a more direct reason.
@@cy4069 lol yeah, idc if you have Shanks above Kaido based ofg headcanon but this guy acts like there's actual reasoning that Shanks is stronger than Kaido
Sanji also gets moments together with Luffy - like both of them jumping out against big mom to protect reigu
No mention of what Sanji did in Whole-Cake Island?
- Blocked Big Mom's attack with together with Luffy (equal portraying)
- Dodged Katakuri's shot (Luffy went on to fight Katakuri, and Katakuri used future-sight to prepare that shot)
The Katakuri one definitely, but not the Big Mom one. They blocked a single attack together. It's not as though they both blocked two separate attacks on their own.
Oh right, Morj actually forgot about that. Also how Sanji kicked the ass of Oven within a seconds, fighting Daifuku many times and destroying candy of Peros that is really hard(take note that Pedro sacrificed his life so the crew could escape from peros candy)
It's impressive how oda made it that when zoro and sanji fight, they always seem to be handicaped or way above their opponents.
Thank you for going over this from the angle of - this is a story and the author makes deliberate decisions to portray characters in certain ways. Instead of looking at feats in a scientific way as if these were events that actually occurred. Your argument is much better than the 5000m of water pressure type arguments.
Why is that argument better? A good story conveys what it wants to convey trough creating a believable world(as in internally consistent, not necessarily consistent with our reality) and it achieves that with simple logical chains. To ignore that and strictly rely on meta elements(i.e the author basically telling us what he wants us to believe) to decide what is "true" of the story makes the whole process of actually writing the story pretty pointless since he could literally just tell us what the dynamic is and that would accomplish the same thing.
From the writer's perspective it's perfectly fine to start with what you want to convey and build the reality of your world around that. But a reader should not start with what the author wants to convey and try to interpret the reality of the world based on that. The reality is your basis and if it doesn't match with what the author wants to be true, that's on the author.
@@DIVAD291 The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics. How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats. Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong. Ace also have very few feats but we know he must have been strong. Authors aren't always doing physics calculations to accurately determine exactly how strong a character is. Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light. Rayleigh can keep up with Kizaru, that doesn't mean that Rayleigh moves at the speed of light. That's not to say judging a character's strength based on feats is wrong, but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important.
@@SilverRyuu "The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics."
I never said we should apply real world physics to evaluate things in the fictional world but the author typically establishes what the physics and logic of his world are(that would be the most important part of world building). So I don't really see that as a problem.
" How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats."
I disagree...a mismatch between a character's actual power in the story and how they are portrayed can be incredibly jarring. It's not uncommon for a character to have an ability that would be insanely op in the world the author created but the author fails to recognize it so they portray the character as weak or an ability/action could have an obvious flaw but the author doesn't realise it so he portrays the character as "flawless". When those things happen it can be extremely tiring because it creates cognitive dissonance and it makes it very difficult to maintain your suspension of disbelief and that makes the story less enjoyable.
Take the last jedi as an example. The holdo character completely fails as a leader but the movie tries to portray her as a good leader despite basically every decision she makes being incredibly stupid and that made it very hard to sit trough. I understand not everyone reacts the same but most people at least subconsciously understand that what they are told is different from what they are seeing and that's going to make their experience slightly worse even if they don't quite understand what the issue was.
If the reality of your story doesn't match with what you want to say, you can't just say it anyway. You have to make the reality convey what you are trying to say.
"Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong."
When we have little information to go on it makes sense to make your prediction on how strong a character will be on how strong the author tells you that character is. That doesn't really mean anything because it's just normal that the less information you have the more important the information you do have is. By example if the author never portrayed a character as weak or strong but gave a clear feat he accomplished that would require the character to be strong it would make sense to assume the character is strong despite not knowing how the author is going to portray him.(this pretty much never happens because it's hard to show a character doing something requiring a lot of power without portraying him as strong at the same time)
The other reason it doesn't mean anything is that you're just predicting how strong a character will be...it's when you actually see their actions that you can judge if they live up to what the author described or not.
"Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light."
Again, the world the author creates doesn't have to respect the exact physics of the real world but it has to establish it's physics and logic need to remain somewhat consistent.
"but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important."
Let's say I wrote a story about a guy that can lift houses and outsmart Einstein but despite that I consistently portrayed that character as being weak/stupid even tough no one else is able to do those thing in the story. That would come off as a comedy because of how ridiculous it would be to genuinely write like that. And if for some reason you didn't think I was joking you would understand that this character is actually strong in the story even tough as a writer im insisting that he isn't. You would naturally value the reality of the story over the portrayal of the character.
How the character is portrayed is important in predicting the future of the story and understanding the message of the story but it is not important in understanding the reality of the story.
@@DIVAD291 The initial comment was about breaking feats down into a science. Writers aren't doing complex physics equations to determine exactly how strong a character needs to be to do a specific thing.
Let me make a correction. Assuming good (or at least competent) writing, character portrayals are more important than feats. If they contradict, a problem arises, however if they don't portrayals are more important when determining how strong a character is. In fact, a character's feats are part of the way a character is portrayed. They aren't exclusive. If a character's feats and their portrayal contradict than that is simply a failure to portray the character in the way you want. If you portray a character as a genius but all their feats say otherwise than you're failing to portray the character properly. When feats are absent, or when feats and portrayals don't contradict, you rely on portrayals to have a grasp on the relations between characters. In the event that they do, that's a failure on the author's part.
The biggest issue with feats (and with power scaling in general) is that not all feats are comparable. Feats give you a general idea of a character's strength and abilities, but things don't always go the way you expect. It's difficult to explain but let me give an example: If we look purely at strengths and weaknesses, as well as their physical abilities, than you could make the argument that Zoro should beat Luffy in a fight especially pre-gears. Physically they are comparable to one another but Zoro's swords give him the advantage since Luffy can't defend against them. However, we know that Luffy at the very least is equal or stronger than Zoro based on the way they are portrayed.
Mr. Morj can change the title. But you know what can’t be changed?
The fact that the Onigashima Raid will end in failure.
😂 what an idiotic claim. Raid isn’t failing buddy.
@@hayden3426 Just curious, but you do know that this is a meme right?
@@jonathandelgado3755 my bad. Thought you were one of those people that are dead set on this thing failing.. I understand a theory, but not people holding it as a fact
@Denier Gaming a few years ago, why?
@Denier Gaming the community made it a meme but morj is still standing by it as well as some people that are his loyal followers.
Sanji traditionally makes up for it with "wildcard" moments. Hopefully some more of those are on the way
Yep, i Miss the "Mr Prince" moment in alabasta.
really needing some of those in Wano...
@@andyzhang7890 Oof
I miss cool sanji
I just wish oda portrays sanji as comparable to luffy just once to make matters worse for the fans 😂😂
There was that one time Sanji and Luffy did an unconscious combo atrack to deflect a punch from Big Mom.
@@visionaryvjae5641 does that count?🤔
@@user-of8ex8ne3v Well the way the scene plays out Sanji was planning to block the punch solo and so was Luffy which implies at that moment they both had enough power to block Big Mom's punch alone if need be. So yeah, I'd say it counts.
Aww. I want Nux in the thread with the obligatory:
"Nobody understands Zoro." comment
Shhh don't summon the billies
I can feel KOL's presence in the distance
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@Isaiah Mack Kol is goated. Facts.
Kol's great but he's toxic af lmao
“ Sanji > king > Doflamingo > zoro” 💀💀💀💀
@@andrewgill3203 I hate his powerscaling but I love his videos and reactions, ya it's sometimes toxic but his presentation is great
Here before title changed
morj zoro sanji pt 2
Also here before the title changed. MORJ ZORO SANJI PART TWOOO
yes
zoro and sanji's rivalry is a gag but when luffy and zoro fight is not a gag its 100% serious
If a lady is hurt, sanji is yonko level
Considering how Sanji never trains he is hella impressive.
Uh, no, Sanji's body was scientifically improved by his father. What's actually impressive is that he wasn't as complete as his brothers yet still was shown stronger than them even without his raid suit.
Actually Oda did say the strawhats train, Zoro is the only one seen doing it since he doesn't have anything else to do on the ship.
@@Shark-hn4mv nigga sanji' mom specifacally took drugs to stop the modifications in the cannon of the story and u still say he was modified???? Okay ✌
@@Shark-hn4mv did you miss whole of Sanji's backstory? The whole point of it was that he did *not* get modifications
It's just off screened, Luffy should train too in between arcs the same way Usopp came up with gadgets early on the grand line off screen and how Nami maps the places they go too according to Oda
Zoro is just lost along the power scale
About the Enies Lobby power levels, Kaku's powerlevel was above Jyabura before he eats the zone devil fruit and he was definitely significantly powerful in his zone form than base form. Don't know how people miss this.
Eating a devil fruit does not increase your base power.
@@voitz4334 but it does make you more powerful in your zoan from over the base which is what they said
Could you also play devils advocate and say he was also inexperienced with his DF which helped him lose against zoro even though he adapted quickly time spent developing a DF has no comparison.
I felt like I was low key doing a sanji vs zoro in there...
@@antoniomcneary yeah if luffy hadn't gotten his DF and such a young age he would still be struggling with it
Then what about Sabo? He clearly adapted to his DF as fast as lightning LOL
Sanji is one of my favorite characters and I never understood why people feel the need for him to be stronger than Zoro.
If you're here before the title change you a real one 🔥🔥
Just the fact that a cooker can be neck n neck with a person who frequently work out is amazing.
I love your way of explaining this and it makes so much sense. To me One Piece is a story of adventure and characters and “Power Scaling” will always fall second to a good story
Morj destroys toxic Sanji vs Zoro discussion with facts and logic
Interesting analysis, I’ve always thought Zoro was closer to Sanji pre time skip, but Zoro is closer to Luffy post.
Definitely not
@@playlistdcuo3867 Explain why not
@@rogerchandelier6673 don't know about him, but i guess due to their skermish at Whiskey Peak?
Luffy: hordy jones on drugs, doffy (with help), cracker, katakuri, fujitora, now knocked out kaido in base
his arsenal: 2 advanced hakis, gears that can take out top tiers like katakuri, conquerer haki, crazy endurance
zoro: monet, pica, fujitora (bleeds from inside affter taking ONE gravity attack) (with help), killer(tie), hawkins who didnt go all out, apoo who got up again
sanji: doffy, vergo(with ruined body from nami), king (tanked his attack and saved momo)
u cant really say zoro is close to luffy when the strongest zoro beat is pica😭 u reaching.
You actually can because zoro defeated pica way too easy, not trying to say zoro is as strong as Luffy but he is closer than tou think
@@twisty4075 ofc cuz pica was 3rd strongest in doffy crew. He only had problem trying to find him and flying💀
Morj wilding
Oda purposely put sanji in situations that makes him look “bad” like doffy but fact remains that those characters takes luffy and another supernova to beat
@@Tensai1031 look, vergo was stronger than pica but pica had a pretty good devil fruit, sanji even though was damaged a bit against vergo doesn't tell much to me, vergo had superior armament haki so he managed to best sanji hence his shin cracked, he even fought with sanji's style using only his legs, zoro didn't get a single scratch against pica even through the barrage of attacks pica was throwing and he also had superior armament haki and one shot him, that to me says that zoro is superior to sanji if you think otherwise I don't know what to say to you
Highly biased breakdown
Completely left out Nami beating Zoro and Luffy at the same time with *one punch* .
I didn't expect this to be better than part 1. Great to see another video without coughing. Hope the editor didn't even have coughs to edit out.
Nami one-shots Luffy and Zoro at the same time and gives Sanji the Happiness Punch treatment, and boom, Monster Trio is done for.
@@alanbrad4564 Sanji can't fight women. It's checkmate bro.
@@ThirtyfourEC true.
It wouldn’t make sense for a cook who only uses his legs to somehow be as strong as the strongest swordsman in the world.
Just saying. It’s leg vs sword.
It's fucking manga it doesnt need to make sense. Plus, luffy never trains at least like Zoro does and still is the stronger character in the SH
Dude again your theories and analysis are beyond anything I’ve seen! Such a great video!
Yep. Zoro and Sanji have VERY different strengths but are equal in "strength". Zoro can take down Kaido with his swords, Sanji took down Big Mom with a cake.
Stfu
@@playlistdcuo3867 Nah.
Zoro can't take down kaido tho 😂
You tried
Mr Morj aka "Raid will end in failure' aka "Luffy at the top, Sanji third, Zoro ambiguously in the middle".
If you have to guess what Zoro's level of strength is, Oda is going to keep you guessing. Good luck.
Morj: I don't do powerscaling but when I do I am the best
I love both Zoro and Sanji but its clear that Zoro has always been portrayed as stronger. Yes they are rivals but Zoro is clearly stronger. I say this as a massive Sanji fan aswell as Zoro fan.
Mr. Morj doing his best to reduce the toxicity.
Really gotta give him props for that.
When Zoro fought Mr 1, he completely outmatched him in every aspect. The only thing holding him back was the fact he couldn’t cut steel. Once he learnt how to do that, he one shot Mr 1.
yeah that's how swords work 😂
@Young Victor picture it man, if he didnt cut him in one go, zoro would be stabbing him until he broke or died? 😂 cmonnn the only way zoro can win battles is through a cut (up to three) in one shot. thats the whole point right?
KVNLB it’s anime bro. Strong characters don’t always go down with one slice. Irl yeah, one slash and you’re dead, but anime nope
@@jonsnow947, both Mihawk and Zoro showed signs of Advanced Armament Haki even in the Pre-Timeskip Era, but Zoro didn’t knew he had Advanced Armament Haki like Mihawk does until he trained with Mihawk for 2 years, so he can surpass Mihawk in strength and become the worlds greatest swordsman without being a Warlord or an Emperor working for the Marines and the World Government like how Shanks is still an Emperor, and Mihawk is now longer a Warlord.
@@jonsnow947 nothing shows mihawk can't cut diamond .. even zoro said that will be a waste
Sanji is secret weapon of the crew.
Yeh, I agree with this, although i might add ussop as well
@@king_kai1354 especially after dressrosa.
The uncertainty principle says that you never know of zoro is closer to luffy or sanji
Ah, yes...Schrodinger's mosshead 😌
@@visionaryvjae5641 😂
That’s Y I’m a luffy fan
It’s a relevant for me I could just sit back and watch them fight 😂
Yeah buddy it’s easy
Yes sir same here 😂😂
Lol
yup
most people are luffy fans
You forgot that Sanji took dozens of Oars punches while Zoro only 2 so one can argue that he could take that damage as well.
Toxic fans: 👩🦯👨🦯👨🦯👨🦯
So did franky . Sanji fans need to stop being desperate
you do realize zoro was leading the fight against oars right?
@@vancover7824 he didnt. It was Chopper who took those hits alongside Sanji.
@Kizaru Am I a toxic fan because I stated a fact that Morj forgot? Xd
@@tlms7657 yeah and then just a tad bit later zoro takes ALL of Luffy's pain... how is this even an argument??
If sanji is stronger than Zoro then zoro is just useless for the crew because sanji’s main occupation on ship is a cook and zoro on the other hand is just a swordsman that wants to be the strongest
The nothing happened scene proves Zoro is resilient and quite strong.
We all know sanji didnt struggle with page 1.
That was the anime adding filler. He did get hit by him but it was clear in the manga he was Superior.
What's funny is those "fans" who thinks that Page 1 is stronger than sanji (even in his raid suit) just because he could block his quick and punch him into some buildings, but they forgot that Jabura did an exactly same feat against sanji before but after sanji destroyed him with his Diable Jambe
Yet Page 1 was barely injured. If anything this shows Sanji has quick nimble movements hence stealth black but lacks destructive power
Zoans are a bad matchup for Sanji, i had expectations on the destructive power with raid suit + diable but its just that he was impressive, but Page 1 is very tanky, he most likely used to be a captain, so we can't blame Sanji for not hurting him much. Best Matchup Against Zoans are swords and Oden proved that. Zoro woulda done much better than Sanji and I'm not a Zoro fanboy, its just that Matchups sometimes matter.
yeah, he just didnt have time to take him out, he would have atracted too much atention and compromised the alliance if he stayed
The clear-cut awnser: there is no clear-cut awnser
love your videos man
I love how morj always segments into the "if you like the video..." without pause
The Voice of all simps vs the Moss head.
Sanji is a different animal he doesn’t really train doesn’t use his hands can’t fight women and still he kicks ass now that’s impressive
Just because he doesn't use them doesn't automatically mean he would be really good at using his hands...lk coz Luffy doesn't use his legs much doesn't mean he'll automatically become a leg expert
@@haremking7256 except he already showed for brief moments his hand skills and he is actually good, so if he let himself do and train a little bit to use them, yeah
Very nice Morj, excellent video :)
Your explanation here is exactly how I feel the power dynamic works between the three! Great job!
Yeah, Oda preferring the ambiguity makes the most sense to me. Fits his style lol
As a proud Jimbe fan, I know what the real hierarchy among the Strawhat Pirates is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"morj zoro sanji pt 2" lol 10/10 tittle. But best Zoro/Sanji vid by far, doubt anyone will ever cover the topic as good as this. Keep it up
Hopefully this video helps impact online one piece convos and make 'em less toxic 😭
Zoro has always been stronger than Sanji Its been shown through out the series many times. I like them both equally but Sanji has his main job as a Cook and Zoro as a Fighter its really clear that Zoro is stronger.
Facts
I saw the video 25 minutes after it was published and I thought may be this time he's sticking with the original title "morj zorro sanji 2"
Sounds like a self insert fanfic
Morj on point as usual👌
I like that you brought up the difficulty of Luffy's fight against Rob Lucci compared to Zoro and Sanji's respective fights. I think it was only post time skip (Dressrosa) where we saw what looked like a significant gap between Luffy and Sanji against Doffy, and perhaps indirectly with Zoro briefly taking on Fujitora.
With the exception of the Dressrosa saga (where Sanji wasn't present by the end of it) and similarly Skypea (where Sanji ran into the big bad early on), the power scaling dynamic got resolved back to default, which is like you said, Luffy greater or equal to Zoro and Zoro greater or equal to Sanji.
Even though Sanji is supposedly "just the cook", he's much more than that, being the protege of "Red-Leg" Zeff who was a pirate captain, Sanji inherited his will of finding the All Blue as well as his skills. Sanji is someone who could have been a pirate captain himself, and the same is true for Zoro.
This is what makes the Straw Hats stand above the other supernovae. And now if all goes well, they'll have Jinbe and Yamato up there as well... a truly monstrous crew :)
Part 2 of greatness!
Zoro stans scratching their head right now😂.Why is this so accurate? Lol
Yeah he's stronger everyone knows that lol
Why
It’s crazy how logical and obvious this is yet people will still trying to argue against this video even with all the evidence.
This is the video KOL needs to watch. Thank you for using so much reason
It's also very possible to make an argument that Jiabura is stronger than Kaku because he had time to train with his fruit, while Kaku's fruit use, while being very powerful, was very flawed.
And Sanji was also seriously injured from his fight with Kalifa
"Zoro ambiguously somewhere in the middle" is the new "The Onigashima raid will end in failure" haha nice vid as always
Oh cool. Morj uploaded a video on my birthday! Good stuff
Watched the entire video, it was good, keep it up
I'm like them both, Sanji a little bit more. It is pretty obvious that Zoro is stronger than Sanji. I don't underestsnd how this confusion came in the first place.
Both of them have their own qualities that makes them both equally badass. Fans need to understand that.
Sai Venky If Oda didn’t do Sanji dirty all the time, more people would like him. He deserves better man
how the confusion came ??? I think that's peen pressure talking, Zoro and Sanji rivalry started in little garden where they were compared with 2 giants who for 100 years couldn't settle their score. then the only time their enemies stacked up against each other was Water 7 where the difference between their fighters was literally only 10 points diff.
@@jonsnow947 007 never goes Gaga for woman
@@sohailsadaqat6684 I came into community recently but their rivalry is not like naruto sasuke who will get stronger rivalry. The like to argue about everything. I always saw luffy>zoro>sanji. People like KOL started this and fans started to follow thats it. Love the monster trio. It will be too disrespectful for Sanji to cook, not train much and still be as strong as zoro and luffy. Still he is comparable that itself is great
I don't think a lot of people think Sanji is stronger. Very very few people say that and I think some of them know it's not true but they don't wanna admit it. Both are my favorite Strawhats with Sanji being my absolute favorite, there's no shame in him being weaker.r
Pele vs. Maradona(RIP), Messi vs. Ronaldo, Zoro vs. Sanji
PlayStation vs XBOX
Milk then cereal Vs Cereal then milk
Best morj video to date
I like this model! It makes sense and acknowledges all the scenes we've got and honestly matches with the different character roles like you mentioned.
People forget Sanji went to arlorng park with broken ribs an still went underwater an fought a fish man plus he still got crush underwater
Did you forget how injured zoro was in this arc ?
@@misterkirikou nobody forgot he just saying
Next to throw down is those toxic power scaling communities.
That is indeed a very good idea!
@@kxb6098 powerscalers are dumb in general and basically biased on their fav characters and gets butthurt if anyone else is stronger than their favorites, morj powersclaed these 2 better than 90% of people who argues daily about Sanji and Zoro
Morj is feeding us so much I don’t even have time to digest the information
Such a cool video, interesting dynamics all around