Bemused & Dillahunty is Afraid He Will Destroy His Atheism? | Hamish - Scotland | Talk Heathen 02.03
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- Talk Heathen 02.03 for January 21, 2018 with Eric Murphy and Jamie.
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This "Scottish" guy always calls in to the Atheist Experience. He's really calculated, he talks really slow to burn up time and he's generally pointless.
Or he's drunk and struggling to form words...I say as I have been drinking.
@Golden Knight
"Is that you Hamish". Did it take you two years to think of that?
My biggest problem with this guy is that he seems to think that having simple answers to nuanced questions makes his stance superior when the only reason his answers are so simple is because he is appealing to magic, and so all complications can be swept under the umbrella of the “mysterious nature” of his god.... it’s the ultimate cop-out and I find it incredibly disingenuous for him to act as though that is a valid reason to justify actions when he is just going to throw the true burden of explanation onto his uninvestigable, unfalsifiable magic sky friend - who won’t bother to give any answers (let alone prove its own existence).
Total fake too
@@jmanpolo5611 Trolls have a bridge.. he's just free falling and free balling.
Hamish seems to enjoy hearing himself talk and taking up time on the show, preventing them from talking to "real" callers. Definitely a poe.
He's not a poe. He's a troll.
Real callers are exactly as valid as this chump. Faking intellectual dishonesty and actually being intellectually dishonest are one in the same to me.
He is wasting time on nonsense... so these guys don't talk about serious issues.
To be fair tho, I enjoy hearing him talk too.... something about that accent is quite nice xD
I don't think he's a Poe, but he totally knows how annoying he is. And the slow talking is obviously to burn up time.
You guys are too nice. You need to get a bit more 'Jeff Dee' with some of these callers.
Did someone say... *Jeff Dee Sound Board?!!!*
I'm not sure about 100,000s, and I think 100,000s would still be "relatively" obscure, but obviously Jeff Dee is well known enough for us to be having a conversation about him, which is a level of fame that I don't think any of us will ever see
First of all, I was agreeing with your point dumbass, I was saying that Jeff Dee is far more famous than any of us will ever be.
Second, the TAE youtube channel may have 180k subscribers, but only a fraction of those people would be considered regular viewers. It seems that few of their videos even break 100k views, and any that do are almost certainly clips from the show and not the episodes themselves. I had a quick look, and I only found a single episode in the last 5 months that had more than 50k views, at 62k.
Third, maybe the anti-atheist commenter is right, maybe atheists *are* arrogant know-it-alls, way to prove them right.
Dobro Doggie lol are you kidding me? You're like a parody of a white boy filled with impotent rage.
To anyone reading this I'd like to apologise on behalf of myself and all other atheists, I promise that the rage fountain above me does not represent us.
Fact: Matt _did_ talk to the guy on several occasions, but what Hamish comes up with, remains _nothing but silly assumptions_ about _the kind of people_ we atheists must be (and stuff like that). I even heard a host of the AXP say once: _"I see here on the callers list, that Hamish is again waiting in line, and though I can hear you, fans of the show scream to the tv-screen to please DON'T let this guy on again, but lets hear what he's got this time..."_ (or words like that) after which he went off, spouting totally unfounded bullcrap again, and at the end of it, the host saying: _"maybe we indeed shouldn't let this guy waste our time anymore"_ . Those are the FACTS, mister Scotchman
Yep , I remember Matt actually starting with, "I don't believe you." as his response to hearing this guy's voice.
Matt has spoken with him on several occasions.
And Hamish interprets their refusal of taking his call as an admittance of defeat. How...vile. It's beyond stupid, beyond smug, and beyond self-deceiving. Just plain vile.
@Golden Knight
What valid points? Be specific, because he has done nothing but make claims and demand answers ...which he does not listen to.
I did a quick search and found some video clips of that. Yeah you are right they have talked.
I am Scottish and I find this fake offensive.
I too am a Scot. In what way do you find him to be a fake?
@@corydorastube because he acts like one
@@@godsrevolver9737 No he does not. He makes the same arguments my late step-father did. Only the accent is different.
His Scottish accent sounds forced.
@@daithiocinnsealach3173 i dunno i'm from scotland and i've heard very simmiler accents in places
Circumcition is against children is mutilation/ molestation. Let the child choose to do it when he gets 18-20 years old.
Circumcision of an infant is fucking disgusting.
It absolutely is child fucking abuse...
Barbaric.
I'm an intactivist. It's not anything to do with my atheism though. My objections are more based on bodily autonomy, male and female sexual pleasure, and I also agree that it is barbaric mutilation.
I can't agree with (I think it was Jamie) that it's a cosmetic issue when the foreskin serves a number of functions including sexual pleasure. As a female, I can't understand why a parent would chose to limit the sexual pleasure of both the male concerned and (if het) their future female partners, by changing the organ from one that rolls within itself into... more like a penis shaped rod.
More importantly than my own sexual pleasure, I have discussed with a number of males their own disappointment over having had this choice removed from them and some sad stories of their own negative complications - from purely sexual to serious medical problems. In two cases I know of, these problems have extended into necessitating multiple correctve surgeries.
Well guys I guess our atheism is destroyed, see you at church on Sunday. Rip
LMFAO
Dammit. And I was going to found a Temple to Maat. Maybe Ra or Horus then.
My biggest problem with this guy is that he seems to think that having simple answers to nuanced questions makes his stance superior when the only reason his answers are so simple is because he is appealing to magic, and so all complications can be swept under the umbrella of the “mysterious nature” of his god.... it’s the ultimate cop-out and I find it incredibly disingenuous for him to act as though that is a valid reason to justify actions when he is just going to throw the true burden of explanation onto his uninvestigable, unfalsifiable magic sky friend - who won’t bother to give any answers.
Yo, it's been 4 years. Where you at?
Setting everything aside, the guy has an amazing evil wizard voice.
Except that his cadence and accent seem to migrate almost randomly.
Circumcision approved by the patient is not a moral issue because the pain, risks, outcomes, and aesthetic changes are in most cases understood and consented to by said patient. When circumcision is desired by the patient, it is neither a moral or immoral thing to go through with.
However, circumcision imposed on another person by a parent or guardian when the patient is an infant or otherwise incapable of giving consent, is both wholly immoral and unjustifiably barbaric.
Exactly, and it seems as tho hamish is calling out someone okay with circumcision when they shouldn't be okay with it.
I haven't seen the episode he is talking about so I dont know the full context here but.
If this guy that hamish is calling out is an aethist and that guy supports circumsision of a child then I would consider that action immoral because I dont think the Pros of circumsision are conclusive enough to have any endorsement of newborn circumcision.
(Only exception is if a grown adult had all the knowledge available to them and they made the decision willingly)
Hamish is an idiot. But circumcision of babies is not consented by the child.
Ominously said
"Sometimes, the Lord demands a sacrifice."
That line was so perfect I want it on a T-shirt.
Get on it Talk Heathen!
"Sometimes... the Lord... demands a SACRIFICE!!!" LOL!!!
Hamish: Sometimes...the Lord demands a sacrifice.
Me and Eric: *Gasp* YEEEEEESSSSS
@15:40 is a gift.
Circumsision is a moral question. You inflict unnecessary pain upon a defenseless human being. This is highly immoral and shouldn't be part of any culture styling itself as "civilised".
Absolutely true.
It's no different from FGM.
It should be outlawed.
This would be a way more enjoyable show without Hamish. I get you guys are trying to find your sea legs, but don't use him to build your show.
you need to have a policy not to talk about other host. Let him talk to Matt to explain his own point.
He did it with Matt, and then did it with Russel. You can't call in to argue a point that a host made, if the host isn't on the show to respond.
Not even on the same show! :D
I am Scottish, and I could be wrong (I don't think I am) but Hamish's accent sounds completely fake. Maybe this is not news to anyone, but I'm fairly confident he is putting on a fake accent.
as a fellow scots man i have to agree with you i can't place his accent eaither I have a broad accent myself but still sound scottish, i havent even heard him use any scottish words.
@@yinwolf5976 is gobbledygook a Scottish word? Or dingleberry?
Yea, I could maybe argue he's trying to be slow so that they understand him.
Regardless...he's an idiot
Why do they entertain this troll?
Because his arguments are still better than those of real theists.
I haven't heard anything new from him there, but his stilted way of speaking is very hard to listen to
I think these guys need to realise they are talking to a troll. He's not for real. He's only trying to get on the air!
Absolutely.
Apparently the chat room goes nuts if they take him on the Atheist Experience show.
Just a waste of time
Because no favoritism. But seriously they should. I also feel he is fake.
Why haven't these guys figured out that Groundskeeper Willie is a troll?
I noticed the guy's working really hard to make his voice sound _lower, deeper_ than it normally, naturally is. (and since I noticed, it becomes more and more obvious and thus more and more *silly in a funny way* (I can't _un-hear_ it anymore)
Oh no, what have you done to me? What's really getting to me now is how slowly and dramatically he tries to draw everything out. It's like every single word he says is some dramatic declaration unto itself in some grand speech for people of limited mental capacity who have a hard time understanding him.
I'm not watching this, I'm listening and that was the first thing I noticed.
Please guys! No more Hamish.
This guy is sinister. They will lose viewers.
The voice of this guy sounds like a scottish darth vader "Sacrifices must me made to appease the lord".
This guy sounds like a super villain, the the way Jaime and Eric essentially blow him off and laugh at him is hilarious.
He sounds like Liam Neeson drunk as hell
the reason they talk to this "troll" is because it's hilarious. fake or not Hamish is literally the funniest caller I've seen on here. I hope to see more of him maybe him fly down for a live talk haha.
the way the guy said that line - "humanity discovered a very long time ago that sacrifices were necessary for bargaining with the future" - completely blew me away.
if this show ever has a best of like axp I would absolutely put that on it
I read an interview with a man who was circumcised as an adult. He was surprised with the amount of sensitivity lost. After the surgery he compared sex to going from seeing in color to only seeing in black and white. My son is circumcised and I regret having it done.
I was circumcised and had my two boys circumcised also. Now, after doing the research I realize that was a mistake. It is a barbaric ritual and should be banned in all civilized countries. If a man wants to have it done then they should make that decision once they come of age!
"Can you please be more respectful of my beliefs?" NO! No I can't. Ideas, like people, must demonstrate themselves worthy of respect. Sometimes, like in this self parody caller's case, simply hearing an idea or belief affords it far more respect than it deserves.
That guy is so intense! Pure enjoyment. Great show guys, I really like the content.
Bodily autonomy is definitely violated by circumcision (except in adulthood) and thus is not fair to inflict on another person especially from the adults who are supposed to protect the infant
It always tickles me when I get a Pure Flix ad on these videos.
Hamish is back? and you gave him air time despite having the worst fake accent ever?
It doesn't sound fake to me. Sounds a touch Glaswegian. When I was a kid, there used to be a priest next to my school who spoke a little like this, though his voice wasn't quite so deep and sinister.
While that could be the case, His call with Matt Dillahunty shows otherwise. Several times in that call his accent slips and his apologetics are either insane or deliberately trolling.
What? This totally doesn't sound like Shrek, lmao.
sounds like Mr. Gumby… so he has more of a Brittish accent then
Mr. Gumby is RP for sure
For any of you calling for the banning of Hamish, dont watch.
Keep your authoritarian practices limited to your own person.
Some of us may want to hear what Hamish has to say because we have no interest in forming echo chambers.
Any plans for doing an audio podcast feed of the show like the other shows?
Well circumcision takes away 40% of the sensitivity....or so I've heard.... thank you mom and dad for trimming the end. I show up to the party "prematurely" on occasion. Pretty sure I'd be showing up a lot earlier if I wasn't circumcised. (Just a joke....I'm always the second one to show up to the party.)
I don't personality like circumcision. I didn't get a choice in it, but I will give my children that choice. One argument though, in favour of circumcision is that it can reduce the chance of STD's, but by the point that my children would ever be able to even obtain STD's theoretically, that is having sex, they should be old enough to make the decision for themselves.
Bismuth LD
So can using a condom it's better to put something on than cut something OFF....Have a nice day......
Can someone tell me what "poe" is please? Thanks.
Favorite call.
If you insist on having him on . . .Please don't interrupt him, it makes him talk even longer.
Hamish is an example of the sort of person the world would be better off without.
We love you Hamish.
"Sometimes the Lord demands a sacrifice!" 😱
Sometimes he prefers to just wipe out the whole of his creation.
Because he's the "moral" one!
This guy sometimes sounds like a throwback to a baddie in a Hammer Horror movie!
Hamish's view: if an atheist agrees with circumcision, they're monsters. If a Christian or Jew does, all is good. Moral relativism FTW!
The Best Star Wars reference ever nice one Jamie and Eric Eric‘s response was funny AF 😂 7:07
Cutting something off a boy or girl for non-therapeutic reasons, is a terrible practise and people should stop doing it. I'm just happy to see that some jews are stopping this and have found theological reasons to do the "welcome to our religion" in other ways.
You should direct Hamish to Hovind and Ham. He would scare the shit out of them.
They would scare each other with the crap they talk
Why do all the caller voices sound so distorted on this show?
04:20 OMD! The looks on your faces is PRICELESS!
is it truly a "sacrifice" if someone else decided you will have it done??
This guy should get a job in a horror movie. With a voice like that he could the next Vincent Price
Please no more of this poe.
BOTH.
He's not a poe. He's a troll.
@Socrates Jones A poe is one who's genuine but has an argument so stupid/outrageous/etc. that everyone believes that he's a troll.
@Socrates Jones Well, some of them eventually reveal whether they're serious or not. If they prove to be trolls (like Mark of Stone Church/ChrisLanganFan, not sure if you have heard of him) then people stop calling them poes; if they are serious, though, they will retain their "poe" status despite everyone now knowing.
@Socrates Jones Yes :p
"Will you be more respectful of my belief" - "no" .... thank you.
So Dracula is Scottish? I never knew that.
Great, now all I can think about is how the Jedi should have instead been called the Force Kins.
Let's just CUT to the chase and PULL BACK the layers of this Schmegy topic.
I know Mike Myer's career ain't what it used to be, but if he's trolling Talk Heathen with his Fat Bastard character, now I feel like we should start a kickstarter for him!
Host are soo glad to hear them self talk
This guy Hamish is a ludicrous fool
More airtime for this guy! It was so incredible funny! 😂😂🤣😂🤣😆
Hamish did talk to Matt (Dillahunty) on the Atheist Experience, about 2 years ago.. Considering Matt is still an Atheist, I would think it somewhat unlikely that Hamish would destroy his Atheism. Odds on, he would get his arse handed to him (again) by Matt.
Yes he definitely would. This "Hamish" freak is an arrogant self-important clown who thinks speaking in that plodding manner equates to some kind of profound understanding which it definitely dies not.
I do sort of suspect he is a fake but I'm with the hosts, he just so entertaining I'm starting to look forward to these videos.
I’m from Scotland, no one I know talks like this Hamish guy(?!)
Don't you love how the caller spends so much of his time insulting people and then gets REALLY offended that he's not treated with the respect he thinks he deserves?
This caller is a great antidote to religion. He absolutely destroys his religion.
This was creepy. If there is even a remote possibility that this guy is not fake, then somebody has to find him. Just listening to him talking about love and sacrifice invokes really dark pictures in my mind. If he is in a leading position in his congregation then anyone, athehiest or not, should be worried about the welfare of his "flock".
unsurprisingly the most replayed is Jim laughing
I think my mother had thought circumism was x-tian. I was adopted at age 5 and now I am 58 and she'd had told me 2012 that she had me circumcised and I was not happy. I never said anything but was pissed in side.
"If There Is a God, Why Are There Atheists?"
Starving children!
Morality "Does your god see those children starving?" "Yes." "Does he have the power to feed them?" "Let me change the subject before I realize how evil my god would be if it existed." Answer this one question.. Please.. "If god exists yet he cannot protect children from being sexually abused in his own place of worship then what good is he?"
12:43pm Oct 29, 2019
Australian scientists may have solved one of the biggest mysteries in science: where do we come from?
The ground-breaking discovery published in the journal Nature on Tuesday reveals what scientists believe is the ancestral 'homeland' of human-beings. And they say the research has the potential to provide insights not only into our past, but into our future.
"Now, we can finally tell the story of us," said Professor Vanessa Hayes, the Sydney-based academic who led the study.
What does the new research tell us?
It is well-established among scientists that the history of modern humans can be traced to Africa. However, the new research shows humans do not originate from East Africa, as it was previously thought, but from Southern Africa.
Her team followed the trail of mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on unchanged from a mother to her child, with the hope of tracing the thread back to our earliest female ancestors.
That led her first to the Kalahari Desert, and then to the Khoesan (pronounced koh sahn) people, a group identified through their use of a clicking language.
"They represent a lineage that never left the homeland," Professor Hayes said.
The research combines a broad variety of knowledge and evidence to piece together a history of the first human begins.
"Instead of just releasing a paper with a whole bunch of data from one field of study, we could tell the story."
Professor Hayes said.
She said one of the most exciting opportunities for science will be understanding who we are genetically in order to tackle disease.
"These are the people that represent the longest line of modern humans and therefore they are healthy because they've survived the longest," she said.
"To understand disease, we have to understand 'healthy' and the genomic definition of health."
Her research will focus particularly on prostate cancer.
"Prostate cancer has a strong link to Africa, so we need to understand the genetic link to Africa to understand more about these diseases and how they work in modern society."
Does Hamish call after spending hours at the pub? Sounds somewhat tanked! That Guiness by the pint can be tough.
I tend to think of circumcision as a cosmetic procedure if done on a baby, and as I recall, in WWII all US enlisted men were circumcised. To me, it's more like if you are and you have a son, do you want to have a "matching set" and avoid that "why does mine look different than yours?" question.
It's genital mutilation...all it is
This gives a whole new meaning to the word Sack-rifice :p
If this guy is Scottish, I am the Queen of Pirates.
Is it just me or is everyone else in love with Eric's reactions too? Just me? Okay.. >~>"
He’s adorable
Good old Hamish he reminds me how much I don't miss,Matt from oslo
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psalm 51:16
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:6
Can we have a cartoon drawing contest to examine what people believe Hamish looks like? That would be fun.
Old, ginger, holding irn bru
Get him to say, “Luke, I am your father.”
I lost it when he said, "the lord demands sacrifice". Hamish is hysterical 🤣. BTW 666 comments when I wrote this
Hamish's comment that "love means discipline" is the trite excuse (and defense) social workers hear from every child abuser. There are "religious" believers who claim spanking a six-week old baby is reasonable discipline! It's the hallmark of the "spare the rod" bunch that is always ready to use violence against those who can't hurt them back.
Why the misleading title? The bit about Matt Dillahunty only took up about the first 2 minutes, the rest of the video was about circumcision.
I love how he says he can learn so much more about maths and nothing will overturn 5+5=10
That's absurdly easy to do. In base 5, 5+2=10, 5+5=14
There is no 5 in base 5. You mean in base 7, 5+2 = 10 and 5+5 = 13
Poor hamish...he’s always wrong
This is the call that convinced me that Hamish was a poe.
I was circumcised as a kid, cause I had an infection when I was 3/4. It was deemed required. I can say, the worst part of it was the salt bath you had to put your tip in after peeing.
Hamish learned his accent from Garth Marenghi.
why do I find this reminding me of out takes from The Wicker Man?
Someone really just needs to take all Hamish's quotes and say them in a Pinhead voice... "Oh the sweet suffering..."
As I've adopted the saying, "YOu want me to respect your beliefs, get some fucking respectful beliefs."
Is there really any point to circumcision?
Yes. HIV infection risk is much lower when condom use does not happen for some reason (be it cultural or religious or “just” no availability). Obviously(!) condoms (not condors, dear autodiscorrect) are way better, but you work with what you have to reduce the spreading of HIV.
Aesthetics (if with express wish of the person the foreskin is attached to).
Medical reasons like phimosis, infections, cancerous growths and so on exist.
Where washing under the foreskin is not possible (water access, taboo to touch yourself there, etc. it can increase the hygiene.
And there are ritual/religious reasons, which only make sense for those that follow them.
And then there is the American reason: you cannot masturbate. Well, this is of course male cattle excrement, of course you can, but presumably the guys back the who came up with that had a fetish-like fascination with other people masturbating but little knowledge or experience. Also Kellogg’s cornflakes were made with the explicit aim of eliminating masturbation, as that leads to and is the worst sin imaginable in his eyes. The guy stayed celibate even after marriage…
Note the guy was both a nutritionist and sexual advisor and it was in the 19th century.
When I asked a parent I was told it was more hygienic. What more is needed than being misguided? "I followed a medical professionals opinion" still a hell of a lot better than "a sacrifice is needed".
I try to use my grandmother as a base for what Christians are like, but Hamish baffles me.
Its just trying to curn your sexual desire...all it is
Hamish is quite serious and not faking his ideas or his accent. I remember seeing Hamish during the Q&A session at the end of a talk that I saw on CZcams. This was years ago, and I cannot find the video again. The venue, as I remember it, was a large auditorium, possibly a university, after a talk or panel discussion by well-known atheists (Dawkins perhaps?). The talk was in the UK, possibly Scotland. Hamish was standing up at the microphone drawling out his question, and hitting the heathen with his best atomic-level gotcha. "Ah know whut Ah know whut Ah know...". Sorry that I cannot remember more details but I only made the Hamish connection after he rose to ridiculousness on the Atheist Experience.
If anyone out there knows this video could you please link it in a reply? Also, after listening to this video, does anyone else think that the police should be checking out Hamish's basement?
Ron The Red maybe he faked it then. Being physically there doesn’t really prove he is for real
Honestly ..i remember the video, you're not going crazy ha
@@skindred1888 He sounded weird even then. Can you provide a link to the video? I can't remember enough of the details to tracck it down...
@@ronthered138 I'm sure it is Dawkins, but that's all I can remember
Ok as an atheist I'll give him something... His voice is probably the closest I've come to fear in a religious person. He just sounds too much like the next Hitler.
i want to hear hamish say "those who drank the mud" and also that is a great band name really.
Who told Darth Hamish to call?
I bet Hamish was circumsized with a weed whacker. LOL 🤣
I really like Hamish, I don´t think he is a troll, I really like the way he talks, its like a sage. and I´m a atheist
Recent studies by the American academy of pediatrics have come out that show being circumcised reduces your chances of contracting STIs by around 50%. Its not merely a cosmetic or religious procedure. There is health benefits
And why is that ?
Is that causation of correlation ?
Was it a recent study ? The same statistic has been thrown around for 30 years at least.
Given that it reduces the sensitivity of part of your body...could it be that sex just isn't as good when cut ?
Therefore people aren't fucking around as much ?
12:55 "I can explain this perfectly"
*loads shotgun*
I'm cut and my parents are atheist. I know people who have been cut due to medical reasons. They all wish they had it done as kids because I have no mental scares from it and don't remember the physical pain.
fake callers should be shut down immediately. It's starting to take over what could be important calls
13:40... he actually makes a fair point. Pretty rare from a caller.
And that point would be … there can only be organised atheism?
He sounds like a Scottish Darth Vader 😂
Imperial March played to bagpipes please
Zhontac LMFAO That would be the best thing ever
Erm, no Hamish - circumcision is not an act of sacrifice at our own volition. It is performed on infants.