The most dangerous part of this fight, not covered, is that their special abilities are offset from the health swap. It can swap to Valanar and he can immediately cast empowered shock vortex while you were still stacked up for Taldaram fireballs. It doesn't always do this, but it is possible. The health switching to Taldaram and getting an immediate empowered fireball when you aren't stacked and ready for it is also possible, but at least is somewhat manageable with good boots use and situational awareness by the target.
Yeah, weve had a few flame orbs "upgrade" mid cast so there was no chance to stack up 🥲 We solved this by not stacking on 10man HC. We have a melee run with it instead and that we've found is enough to weaken it. Also helps healers as no one is moving and getting the debuff. Just a lil rogue 😁
This fight was really chaotic for us on PTR. Watching this guide...especially showing raid placement on Valanar should be very helpful for our progression.
this fight is a prime example of why i hate the parse crowd. so many fights in ICC require that you do shit correctly over doing high damage. i'm sure someone is thinking "i parsed high and still got a kill, those other people suck" and likely because everyone had to work around them not doing the mechanics, healers healing extra etc.
For those of you who dont remember what water walking is... the way (pre TBC)... regaining mana from drinking used to work is you would only gain main during the server tick every couple of seconds... water walking was a method developed for healers in speed run type environments... essentially what you would do is walk, and just before the server tick hit, hit a keybind to drink (which would get you mana)... then resume walking... guzzling 100s of mage waters to keep the raid moving and mana full. This server tick thing also applied to something known as lava jumping ... essentially lava damage would only go out during server ticks... (back in classic, lava did 600 damage flat... which was a lot back then)... so you could theoretically traverse great distances in lava without any damage ever being applied to your character if you jumped out of the lava during the server tick. basically what you can do for this fight is walk.... then stop walking at the server tick... then resume walking again... and you wont pick up stacks from the aura debuff.
@@matthewmisko6535 Hey Matthew, yes this works (I got it working on PTR) but its not super reliable and the mechanic isn't super dangerous to begin with so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just move as little as you can and you should be good.
Your Videos are something else! Really like the depth of it and its easily understandable whats happening. Are you by any chance able to make a video about comparing 10man to 25man regarding differences? That would be a huge contribution to week 1 pumpers Keep up the good work mate! 💪
You could do that! Theres a lot of different tanking options on this fight - for prog I like having two tanks on each mob and then the caster on a separate character - evens out damage some, but this is really just preference. We did it a few times as you describe as well and it works great.
Yes this should be the default for most groups, especially if you normally use a DK as one of your main tanks. Splitting Valanar and Taldaram to two different tanks means you you've split your healing, and the damage each of them do is pretty high. I'd suggest having both on the same tank and concentrating your healing. Otherwise you may fall behind on healing split tanks as we did when we tried it on PTR.
I do that. I took acclimation just for this fight, and I was sitting at near 400 Shadow Resist. He was hitting for almost nothing, Avg bolt was ~3k, and ~10k when enraged. You don't have to do this though. On live, I'll probably try with my blood spec and see how it goes.
Hello thank you for the guide. Can you please tell how you get that big text alert "FLAME ORB ON X" As RL i am struggling to annonce the target of the empowered flame. I have DBM but it alert me only if i am myself the target wich Addon or aura do you use please?
Prot Paladin can easily do it. Hand of Reckoning glyph makes handling the Nuclei and Keleseth a breeze. You don't need your taunt on this fight, so you can do your rotation on him + spam Hammer of Wrath on him and Hand of Reckoning any Nuclei to bring them to you or other ranged abilities.
I might be missing something, but I cat really figure out from the video, if the OT or MT take over threat and the black orbs, when switching to purple orb boss. Or the warlock or who ever had orbs from phase 1 is just permanently tanking that boss. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify who is tanking him at what times. Thanks!
They simply aggro the last damaging ability to the person who did the ability. There is no threat manipulation with them, and things like taunts will not aggro them (not taunts that dont do damage)
I'm in a guild that killed Anub H week 1, clears TOC+Uld in ~90-100 minutes and in a guild that still goes 4/5 some weeks and has killed Algalon twice, spends 6 hours to not even clear both raids, we both just happen to have 3 locks, 4 isn't a huge amount?
@@Booth- no im not, when did i deny using pets on the bombs, we were only using half our pets I wanted to use the dks too when we were struggling with the boss on the first day and received pushback.
@@Booth- If you're going to flame me at least flame me for my gameplay or something else cause there's easily 100x things because I was a proponent of using ALL pets on the orbs immediately so idk what you are referring to, but I am going to assume its taken out of context.
Anything I missed on this one? 5 Bosses left to go in the ICCC series, can I get it done before launch!?
I'm begging you to! Thanks for all your hard work!
5 Bosses left? But in every video description you have been promising to do guides for all 12. We need our gunship guide!
Joardee, see my comment below posted around 11:15 am est.
Needs more clips of pummel dying tbh
OK MAN
The most dangerous part of this fight, not covered, is that their special abilities are offset from the health swap. It can swap to Valanar and he can immediately cast empowered shock vortex while you were still stacked up for Taldaram fireballs. It doesn't always do this, but it is possible. The health switching to Taldaram and getting an immediate empowered fireball when you aren't stacked and ready for it is also possible, but at least is somewhat manageable with good boots use and situational awareness by the target.
Great point, I definitely missed mentioning this.
Our raid group has had this issue a few times as well, resulting in a wipe but it's mainly from Tals fireball (We're a 10m group)
Yeah, weve had a few flame orbs "upgrade" mid cast so there was no chance to stack up 🥲
We solved this by not stacking on 10man HC. We have a melee run with it instead and that we've found is enough to weaken it. Also helps healers as no one is moving and getting the debuff. Just a lil rogue 😁
This fight was really chaotic for us on PTR. Watching this guide...especially showing raid placement on Valanar should be very helpful for our progression.
4:15 Thanks for the fix, in the clip right after you can actually see that he turns to the rogue and casts it on the melees
this fight is a prime example of why i hate the parse crowd. so many fights in ICC require that you do shit correctly over doing high damage. i'm sure someone is thinking "i parsed high and still got a kill, those other people suck" and likely because everyone had to work around them not doing the mechanics, healers healing extra etc.
Honestly this is the one fight I have no real clue about - but it'll make sense once I experience it. It just seems like a chaotic mess.
My guild has no chance
It doesnt always go back to Valanar on 4th boss change, just that small change. Great video. This was a fun fight to prog imho.
If the prot pal were to turn and face away from the keleseth tank, there is no possiblity that Hammer of the Righteous will hit a nucleus.
Another beauty guide thanks boss!
Please upvote. supposedly... you can avoid the aura mechanic... using a water walking WA. The stacks only apply on server tick.
For those of you who dont remember what water walking is... the way (pre TBC)... regaining mana from drinking used to work is you would only gain main during the server tick every couple of seconds... water walking was a method developed for healers in speed run type environments... essentially what you would do is walk, and just before the server tick hit, hit a keybind to drink (which would get you mana)... then resume walking... guzzling 100s of mage waters to keep the raid moving and mana full. This server tick thing also applied to something known as lava jumping ... essentially lava damage would only go out during server ticks... (back in classic, lava did 600 damage flat... which was a lot back then)... so you could theoretically traverse great distances in lava without any damage ever being applied to your character if you jumped out of the lava during the server tick. basically what you can do for this fight is walk.... then stop walking at the server tick... then resume walking again... and you wont pick up stacks from the aura debuff.
@@matthewmisko6535 Hey Matthew, yes this works (I got it working on PTR) but its not super reliable and the mechanic isn't super dangerous to begin with so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just move as little as you can and you should be good.
Awesome guide. Very informative.
thank you!
Thanks Joardee!
Your Videos are something else! Really like the depth of it and its easily understandable whats happening. Are you by any chance able to make a video about comparing 10man to 25man regarding differences? That would be a huge contribution to week 1 pumpers
Keep up the good work mate! 💪
my favorite part is when he show's ItsPummel dying.
this was really good ty man
TY SIR I DO IT I WONT LET YOU DOWN
thanks for the guides
Such a cool fight
/barf
Yeah, there's no way my guild can ever kill this XD
Great guide! Which addon displays the boss frames on the right of the screen?
Cool as awlays Joardee. What's the track in the start of the video called? pretty dope
I see you casting massdispells a few times, what are these supposed to dispell? Cant see you mention that
The Glittering Sparks that Taldaram casts.
Any reason for not just having a DK tank keleseth with IT spam and OT on the other two. Worked really well on pservers with boss buffs
You could do that! Theres a lot of different tanking options on this fight - for prog I like having two tanks on each mob and then the caster on a separate character - evens out damage some, but this is really just preference. We did it a few times as you describe as well and it works great.
Yes this should be the default for most groups, especially if you normally use a DK as one of your main tanks. Splitting Valanar and Taldaram to two different tanks means you you've split your healing, and the damage each of them do is pretty high. I'd suggest having both on the same tank and concentrating your healing. Otherwise you may fall behind on healing split tanks as we did when we tried it on PTR.
I do that. I took acclimation just for this fight, and I was sitting at near 400 Shadow Resist. He was hitting for almost nothing, Avg bolt was ~3k, and ~10k when enraged. You don't have to do this though. On live, I'll probably try with my blood spec and see how it goes.
@@jamesbyrd3740 empowered lance cannot get resisted, only the normal one can. You can confirm this on WCL
@@J2thaBgeerie interesting thx for tip
@joardee Would you consider making a guide on the ICC trash pulls and how best to handle them?
Hello thank you for the guide. Can you please tell how you get that big text alert "FLAME ORB ON X"
As RL i am struggling to annonce the target of the empowered flame. I have DBM but it alert me only if i am myself the target wich Addon or aura do you use please?
Assuming feral druids swipe will kill the purple clouds u need to survive shadow lance?
I think going over what class to use as the Keleseth tank would have been good
He did. Lock dk or spriest. Imo dk tank while progging feels by far the best.
Prot Paladin can easily do it. Hand of Reckoning glyph makes handling the Nuclei and Keleseth a breeze. You don't need your taunt on this fight, so you can do your rotation on him + spam Hammer of Wrath on him and Hand of Reckoning any Nuclei to bring them to you or other ranged abilities.
Dude, the GUI is just simple and beautiful as well - do you have any config and/or list of addons? Greetings from a fellow Disci!
Any special interactions with the flame orb? Cloak of shadows, invincibility (bubble/block), feign death?
I might be missing something, but I cat really figure out from the video, if the OT or MT take over threat and the black orbs, when switching to purple orb boss. Or the warlock or who ever had orbs from phase 1 is just permanently tanking that boss. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify who is tanking him at what times. Thanks!
Does using Distracting Shot work with the Nucleus ? i.e. the Hunter uses DS to shoot the Nucleus onto the Tank that needs them ?
They simply aggro the last damaging ability to the person who did the ability. There is no threat manipulation with them, and things like taunts will not aggro them (not taunts that dont do damage)
they're immune to taunt, at least initially. probably altogether
Misdirect does work on it
chain lightning WILL hit the dark nucleus btw.
I SAID THAT!
you right i spaced out at that part lol
@@Joardee
can you list your addons for your icc videos?
whats your multi target weak aura ?
Gl downing this in a pug LOL
Pro tip: if you have a weak aura to show server ticks, you can move in between server ticks on heroic and not stack ur debuff.
We were wiping on this boss over and over on PTR, and then it just clicked. Half the melee died, easy fight.
What music do you use in the background?
What Patreon Tier do I need for the Loot Prio and Raid Sheet Guide ? THX
Any tier!
hate this boss, spent 2 hours yesterday wiping on these guys on 10 man normal :')
Moar!
....Please
Please 1440/2160p?
"From 0 to 100" reversed.
Track id ? 🎉
Wow and house music OP
Not a fun fight for melee.
Not a fun fight for anyone 😂
not fun for ranged dps also :(
its nice but im not following anyone stacking that many locks.. nice to min max rhe fun but meh
I'm in a guild that killed Anub H week 1, clears TOC+Uld in ~90-100 minutes and in a guild that still goes 4/5 some weeks and has killed Algalon twice, spends 6 hours to not even clear both raids, we both just happen to have 3 locks, 4 isn't a huge amount?
Lol I wouldn’t call 4 locks stacking
Can't tell if trolling or inbred
Pummel laughed when i told them to use pets on kinetic bomb, why are twitch streamers so garbage at the game?
simply untrue
@@ItsPummel are you trolling?
@@Booth- no im not, when did i deny using pets on the bombs, we were only using half our pets I wanted to use the dks too when we were struggling with the boss on the first day and received pushback.
@@ItsPummel Mate if you cant remember what you said in response to twitch chat, that aint on me, you're mazed.
@@Booth- If you're going to flame me at least flame me for my gameplay or something else cause there's easily 100x things because I was a proponent of using ALL pets on the orbs immediately so idk what you are referring to, but I am going to assume its taken out of context.