MD vs DO: Are DOs Worse Doctors!?

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • Hello People!
    So DOs are rising in popularity every year and the application cycle is getting more competitive as well. We wanted to discuss all the important differences that might help you make a decision about which pathway to go down.
    There is some controversy over these ideas so we would love for you to share your thoughts as well!
    Make sure to subscribe, like, share, and stay tuned for more!
    Also be sure to check out Kaurbeauty's channel: / @dermbeautymd
    Instagram: / harmanbh__
    THANK YOU SO MUCH AS ALWAYS!

Komentáře • 223

  • @MedBros
    @MedBros  Před 5 lety +30

    Hey everyone make sure to subscribe AND HIT THAT NOTIFICATION BELL (next to the subscribe button) to Puneet's channel as well! She has tons of content where Harman and I are involved in more casual, fun videos! Check out this heated video on her channel its a good one -Shaman czcams.com/video/yYpnMfiRwho/video.html

  • @HarrySingh-pd6lk
    @HarrySingh-pd6lk Před 5 lety +319

    3 docs in the same family. Where did my parents go wrong lol

    • @Freekniggers
      @Freekniggers Před 4 lety +11

      Unsafe sex? Lol jk

    • @Kencan254
      @Kencan254 Před 4 lety +15

      We are gifted differently. Find your niche and kick ass in your field.

    • @Ryanbros
      @Ryanbros Před 3 lety +3

      @@Kencan254 ya for me it was medicine but for my brother it was running a popular local restaurant

  • @mikaylasweitzer6699
    @mikaylasweitzer6699 Před 5 lety +206

    I ended up applying (and being accepted) solely to DO schools because of their spectacular patient satisfaction ratings and positive patient outcomes. I shadowed plenty of MDs and DOs prior to doing the research. The stigma was the only thing that originally held me back but I kept working through the decision and I’m thrilled with it. Once you’re a doctor, you’re a doctor. I’ve never seen a DO and MD have a negative interaction based on the respect stigma in a clinical setting.

    • @Kencan254
      @Kencan254 Před 4 lety +12

      "After the hyena couldn't reach the juicy fruits, it dismissed them as unripe" ~ African saying.

    • @thefenerbahcesk4156
      @thefenerbahcesk4156 Před 4 lety +7

      I shadowed a cardiothoracic surgeon (DO) and she was the most caring, sweet doctor I've ever shadowed. She explained that she has basically no life outside of medicine because she's always on call, but you can see how rewarding her job is and how much she cares for her patients. I remember one patient in particular whose heart had stopped during surgery and for a moment she had to manually pump the heart with her hand. When she saw him doing well in the clinic she hugged him and they both cried.

    • @kaiung7542
      @kaiung7542 Před 4 lety

      Damn, you're hot.

    • @squidleyskidley
      @squidleyskidley Před 4 lety +5

      Soy Boy Beta Male Eeew dude. Uncalled for.

    • @bruceylee8670
      @bruceylee8670 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Kencan254 wiser words have not been spoken

  • @johngrey1074
    @johngrey1074 Před 5 lety +82

    The DO vs. MD debate is primarily something of concern to pre-meds. Once you're in residency or you're an attending, it doesn't matter where you went to medical school. It's about how knowledgeable and skilled you are.

    • @eliberg1990
      @eliberg1990 Před 4 lety +2

      so true! its all a game of pre-med competitiveness culture

    • @du3844-m4v
      @du3844-m4v Před 4 lety

      Facts

    • @imab7443
      @imab7443 Před 3 lety +1

      The problem is, as a DO, it is much much harder to get into "good" residencies. So you're right, once you're there, it doesn't matter too much, but getting there is a HUGE hurdle that DO students will have a hard time jumping over.

  • @RyanAmplification
    @RyanAmplification Před 5 lety +157

    My ex tried to get into MD school back in 2012. She refused to even apply to DO school because of the stigma... Fast forward to today... She is a podiatrist. Lol didn't want to be a DO but decided to play with feet.

  • @cft406
    @cft406 Před 5 lety +95

    I'm a DO student and I agree with 100% of what you guys said. I almost always have some tiny disagreement with MD vs DO comparison videos, but you guys nailed it. One comment though, I believe DO schools have higher average student ages, possibly due to more unconventional students that have had previous careers etc, which could be a correlation to the lower overall scores. It's also my perception that DO schools put more emphasis on non-academic qualities of an applicant compared to MD schools, but that would be hard to quantify and again, thats just my sense.

  • @jyotisingh18
    @jyotisingh18 Před 5 lety +71

    Harman “D.O stock is rising, the Caribbean is going down” ♥️🤲🏻 lolll Kaur beauty - “ end goal is helping patients” 💯 love the way you all think!!!

    • @Ryanbros
      @Ryanbros Před 3 lety +3

      The Caribbean is horrible and should be going down though

  • @codymutter4017
    @codymutter4017 Před 5 lety +41

    I feel like this MD over DO culture is really cultivated quite heavily in the premed world too.. just ignorant permed students with no interaction with DOs... just my two cents as someone who has been accepted to both. I feel like the merger will help eliminate bias

  • @weirdo-gj5xz
    @weirdo-gj5xz Před 5 lety +100

    you guys are very humble and non discriminating in presenting the facts. very informative vid. keep up the good work!

    • @danielaa.296
      @danielaa.296 Před 4 lety

      weirdo They’re incredibly humble! It’s so refreshing to watch them

  • @momoney0116
    @momoney0116 Před 5 lety +190

    I feel like since DOs and MDs have no difference really besides the fact that DOs have an extra training course, DOs really have an extra tool on their shed for their patients

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Před 5 lety +23

      Omm is pseudo science

    • @momoney0116
      @momoney0116 Před 5 lety +25

      Low pH if they established a whole medical school system behind it and they are letting its students be future healthcare providers I’m sure there is some science to support it

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Před 5 lety +4

      @@momoney0116 it's just based on history. There was a time where medicine was hardly scientific at all and death and complication were the norm. Ostepathic medicine grew from this and developed OMM because of it. It wasn't until the scientific "enlightenment" era began and things like germ theory ect started to become more established and medicine was more scientific. Ostepathic medicine still carried on to OMM despite things like Chapman's points being non-existent. Most ostepathic docs don't even use OMM. Do the research in pubmed. Just understand that most students know that OMM is fake same with DO doctors. Its something you are just forced to learn because of tradition and the Ostepathic old guard.

    • @_aidid
      @_aidid Před 5 lety +4

      @@Low_pH Some of the practices may not be working but still DOs have some other kinds of trainings besides medicine only.

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Před 5 lety +3

      @@_aidid ok? Does that extra training add anything or take away from things like board prep, research, or rotations

  • @Na-hh5yo
    @Na-hh5yo Před 5 lety +33

    This is the best MD vs DO video I've come across. Very honest and you all spoke on this topic very well

  • @elizabethamundson9248
    @elizabethamundson9248 Před 5 lety +12

    As an OMS-1 at a DO school I think this video does a phenomenal job comparing/contrasting MDs and DOs!

  • @KeenerCA
    @KeenerCA Před 5 lety +19

    Great video guys! As a DO student, I can totally verify the stigma. It's rough having to validate your degree to everyone who asks! But with the stats: keep in mind that most DO schools are focused on creating primary care physicians (not as high of board scores needed for residency) and accept a wider range of applicant scores in order to reach especially rural communities, which typically don't produce undergrad students with those perfect application stats. DO schools also are more likely to accept people who are going into medicine as a second career, so they might not have an undergrad background aimed at getting them into a prestigious school. Just my 2 cents :)

  • @Fandomonium456
    @Fandomonium456 Před 5 lety +14

    As someone who got accepted to both DO and MD schools, followed my gut, and chose to go to a more established DO school, I appreciate this so much! OMM is an extra tool I cannot wait to use in my practice, and I fall more and more with the osteopathic philosophy every day! While I know I won’t be pursuing a competitive residency (but keeping my options open), it’s nice to see that at my school, those who seek prestigious residencies have been able to reach their goals, and that our school collaborates and has relationships with the MD schools and has several MD/DO’s as clinical staff. So it really is a nice immersive atmosphere!

    • @biomedicalscientist4230
      @biomedicalscientist4230 Před 4 lety +1

      gfan105 That’s terrific to read! Which school do you go to and do they accept Canadian students?

    • @ApekshaGA
      @ApekshaGA Před 3 lety +1

      I plan on doing the same thing! Yay for future osteopathic physicians!

    • @bruceylee8670
      @bruceylee8670 Před 3 lety +1

      Damn... you might regret this when it comes time for residency applications

    • @Fandomonium456
      @Fandomonium456 Před 3 lety +2

      @@bruceylee8670 lol I’m actually applying ortho so we’ll see 😂, got some pretty exciting interviews coming up

    • @Fandomonium456
      @Fandomonium456 Před 3 lety

      @@ApekshaGA good luck!

  • @manvirsandhu508
    @manvirsandhu508 Před 5 lety +42

    just my opinion, DO students/docs are more fun lol. Im going to be applying to both DO and MD schools and ill be happy and grateful to get into either one!

    • @josephroberts8344
      @josephroberts8344 Před 4 lety +3

      As a med student on rotations this is really very true, DO students are generally way more personable and relaxed. But if you want a competitive specialty/ residency there is going to be a higher expectation to prove yourself, esp due to Step 1 now p/f

    • @daniellec1721
      @daniellec1721 Před 3 lety

      @@josephroberts8344 you can be personable and score very high on STEP 1. Personality has little to do with academic achievement.

    • @LorianandLothric
      @LorianandLothric Před 2 lety

      It’s true. MD students are famously arrogant and fixated on prestige. DOs are typically more chill and personable.

  • @belencita9526
    @belencita9526 Před 5 lety +8

    i’m currently interviewing at both DO and MD schools. I was actually told not to bring up holistic patient treatment when discussing MD vs DO because you’re totally right. the only difference between MD and DO is the OMT.
    ps: the reason Caribbean schools get a bad rep with premeds is because of their bad US residency matches

  • @jaboos03
    @jaboos03 Před 5 lety +6

    love how you guys are so honest it's hard to find information on MD & DOs that isn't bias

  • @sunnyyyyyyyy01
    @sunnyyyyyyyy01 Před 5 lety +46

    Immediately turned to this after watching Puneet's video 😂♡♡

  • @suburbanattitude
    @suburbanattitude Před 5 lety +4

    As a practicing DO, this was a pretty good video. I think an important thing to point out for future medical students (especially with the merger) is the recent resolution passed by the AMA house of delegates that equalizes the COMLEX and USMLE in that either will be accepted into any ACGME residency program. As I’m sure you know, many DO students would take both the USMLE and COMLEX boards to be more competitive for the match. Although the COMLEX has OMM in it, both of these exams are comparable. In fact, most medical students utilize the same study material for medical boards with the addition of an OMM manual for COMLEX. This in itself should help folks realize that at the end of it all, DO and MD schools are pumping out doctors with at least the same level of competency by step 3 (which is a requirement to pass in order to complete residency training). Anyway, thanks for the video!

  • @tootsielouful
    @tootsielouful Před 5 lety +14

    THANK YOU! As a student to applied and got accepted into both MD and DO programs, my best advice to applicants is to keep your mind and options open. I ended up choosing the DO route because when I went on my interviews I felt more connected to my school than I did all the others, it was the right fit for me and I am so grateful that I didn't choose MD and a school that wasn't quite right out of fear because I would not be as happy every day and that is SO IMPORTANT. Mental health is a major problem in our community and stigma, discrimination (as Kaur described), and bickering only makes the problem worse and does a great disservice for the profession as a whole. Great vid Med Bros!

    • @Fandomonium456
      @Fandomonium456 Před 5 lety +1

      Teresa Fuller same thing as me!

    • @FootballGenius200iQ
      @FootballGenius200iQ Před 5 lety +1

      Big mistake unless your fine with being a Family Care doctor

    • @Fandomonium456
      @Fandomonium456 Před 5 lety +2

      Loosey Goosey not necessarily true...our 2018 class only had 30% going into family medicine, with the largest number going into specialities in history. So while historically that has been the case, things are definitely changing when it comes to DO’s. (And while I’m a 110% sure I won’t be a family doc, I highly respect them)

    • @suburbanattitude
      @suburbanattitude Před 5 lety +1

      What is the point of making up lies? One can easily google the stats on this. In 2018, 40% of DOs were practicing in non-primary care specialties. 31% in family care. Here’s the evidence. osteopathic.org/wp-content/uploads/2018-OMP-Report.pdf

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      @@FootballGenius200iQ Not true. The match data shows D.O.s matching into a multitude of specialties.

  • @dayaf0
    @dayaf0 Před 5 lety +7

    I have worked for many DOs and MDs as an ED scribe and rarely do I ever see a patient complain about the DO title. Maybe I’ve seen like one person complain but that’s it. As long as you enter the room with a white coat and say your a doctor, it’s all good.

  • @jessicahall6549
    @jessicahall6549 Před 5 lety +13

    I personally know a Caribbean MD who was chief resident at Mayo Clinic! He scored in the 99th percentile on step 1. His school also got hit by a hurricane and the plane crashed while returning them to the US. So I mean... if that’s worth the risk to you lol

  • @DrStoooopid
    @DrStoooopid Před 3 lety +2

    My fraternity brother is a D.O., and he got into a cardiology residency, and frankly, his grades SUCKED, and he was still able to get matched as a D.O. I think people need to understand that a MD and a DO is really the same family, different franchise, and subtle differences as to their approach as to how they treat and diagnose a patient, at the end of the day, it's half dozen of one, six of the other. The quality of care is comparable if not identical.

    • @DrStoooopid
      @DrStoooopid Před 3 lety

      (and if I'm talking primary care, I generally prefer to go to a D.O., beyond that, I don't care as long as I'm getting the treatment I want and need).

  • @JD4plt
    @JD4plt Před 4 lety +2

    I must say this is the best non biased comparison I’ve seen about MD vs DO.

  • @rcc1463
    @rcc1463 Před 5 lety +5

    I love what Puneet said at the end! Im going to be starting DO school in august and my goal has always been to treat patients!! Im excited to be able to do that one day. Thanks for the vid guys :D

  • @inevitablewanderer3471
    @inevitablewanderer3471 Před 5 lety +6

    GIRL your eye makeup is so gorgeous 😍 also thanks for the perspective guys! I'm applying to both in the upcoming cycle and TBH I don't know where I'll end up if I get into at least one of each.. I think the most important aspect of that decision will be long term goals (#endocrinology😁)

  • @parilmalhotra3957
    @parilmalhotra3957 Před 5 lety +55

    Would love to hear your thoughts on Nursing school and nurses in general. Make a video about it if possible :’)
    Also love that there are so many collab videos, these are the best,keep it up guys!

    • @mrindia1
      @mrindia1 Před 5 lety +5

      Ask a nurse not med students

    • @UGAgradRN
      @UGAgradRN Před 5 lety +5

      Med students know nothing about nursing unless they were in the field prior to entering medical school. If you want to hear about nursing from a doctor’s perspective, you need to ask more seasoned hospitalists. If you simply want to know about nursing, you need to ask a nurse.

    • @amstevens23
      @amstevens23 Před 5 lety +2

      I've heard patients ask for a "real doctor" over a NP which sucks because of THAT stigma I started looking into medical school over NP or APRN but found this DO vs MD stigma. I just want to some respect 😔. Actually, I just want to be finished with school 😣.

  • @ShannahAvila
    @ShannahAvila Před 5 lety +6

    This is a great video! Thanks for a genuine perspective for both MDs and DOs! I’m still deciding which one is fit for me ☺️

  • @Hunter-np6on
    @Hunter-np6on Před 5 lety +2

    This is the best comparison video i have seen to date. Very in depth and it is nice to see the respect towards DO's that most other MDs/MD students do not give. Thank you!

  • @carolineg2024
    @carolineg2024 Před 4 lety +3

    So refreshing for m.d.'s standing up for D.O.'s ...as someone who is biology pre-med, osteopathic has been my main interest, there are a few omt/omm treatments I think can be a little iffy but so many techniques and their benefits interest me.... Thank you for this confidence boost, I watch all 3 of y'all's videos on the regular and it's always so insightful!

  • @akadopeboi
    @akadopeboi Před 5 lety +16

    Sounds like DO's can do more for their patients, and thus why the GPA is lower to get in. Society has decided we need more DO's.

  • @habib080
    @habib080 Před 5 lety +4

    Around 10k people applied to Some DO schools. Around 600-800 of them get invited for interviews and then only 300 get offered an acceptance. I don’t think that many people apply to most MD schools?

  • @iGetUpdated_
    @iGetUpdated_ Před 5 lety +6

    Thanks! For making it clear to me (MD vs DO) stuff. I really appreciate that kind of infor guys!!! Keep up with ur videos.

  • @Shawnee11759
    @Shawnee11759 Před 5 lety +15

    Yay I am in in school for Osteopathic Medicine too in NY.

  • @flyingponys
    @flyingponys Před 5 lety +1

    Great video guys keep it up!! It is truly ironic that DOs have more training overall than MDs but they are seen as less ideal because their programs can be easier to get into... I am a non-traditional student who would stand a decent chance of getting accepted to a DO program but sadly my interests in practicing abroad and specializing (Card, Gastro, Oby/Gyn etc..) are pigeon-holing me into applying for MDs only it seems. I really hope in the near future that DOs will be recognized for what they are, Medical doctors who are just as competent as their counter-parts.

  • @andrewtaylorstill4452
    @andrewtaylorstill4452 Před 4 lety +8

    As the founder of osteopathic medicine, and an MD .... DOs are better doctors :-P

  • @fudgeywonders
    @fudgeywonders Před 5 lety +2

    Love this, thank you! Rising OMS-I and the stigma is so prevalent with pre-meds but not as much with practicing physicians. I'm glad it didn't scare me off from DO schools, because I really wanted to learn OMM!

  • @YoungPunjabiGabru
    @YoungPunjabiGabru Před 5 lety +6

    I literally just came across your guys videos today on CZcams. You guys provide great insight and information! I’m currently a 3rd year MBBS student in India. I was born and raised in Norcal but I chose the international route and went abroad for Med School.

  • @naz7597
    @naz7597 Před 5 lety +31

    I love how you and kaur beauty post at the same time😂💖

    • @chasityjhanji2160
      @chasityjhanji2160 Před 5 lety +2

      And how Puneet was the only one who changed outfits! ☺️

    • @MedBros
      @MedBros  Před 5 lety

      Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!
      -Shaman

  • @justtoolit6051
    @justtoolit6051 Před 5 lety +3

    Yo I love this channel. Thank you for dropping these great videos ! I think your MD vs DO is on point and accurate.

  • @jpatela3
    @jpatela3 Před 5 lety +17

    I'm going to a D.O. school next year. "The DO stock is rising"...truu lmaoo

    • @MedBros
      @MedBros  Před 5 lety +1

      Good luck Jay!
      -Shaman

  • @Maureen-MO
    @Maureen-MO Před 3 lety

    This video has brightened my understanding of DO. Especially the comments bout DOs. Now I’m really excited to apply to DO and would Loooovvee to enter the schools. Having more tools for your patients is amazing and whether MD or DO, we love both because they are both physicians. The stigma should stop because both providers go through the SAME teaching and training. I think I’ll be annoyed meeting ppl who are small minded and downplay the DO degrees. Both are very hardworking and have the same goals as everyone which is to help patients.

  • @paytonrs560
    @paytonrs560 Před 4 lety +1

    It's important to note that while the stigma of MD being better than DO is made of thin air and nothing more, the fact that it pulls top applicants to MD schools has in itself placed a higher value on an MD degree. I am an MD student because of this intangible mental side to being an MD; purely because when I graduate, I will not be on the other side of this stigma.

  • @treysmombrandy
    @treysmombrandy Před 5 lety +18

    I don't think it's fair that you family has 3 gorgeous and smart kids. Lol! Good genes!

    • @Ryanbros
      @Ryanbros Před 3 lety

      My family is made up of people in the mind field ( phycology and sociology ) and the engineering field but I’m gonna go a bit out of bounds and become a doctor of medicine and not phycology like my parents

  • @leighfountain1800
    @leighfountain1800 Před 5 lety +1

    Shaman, you made me belly laugh out loud. I always love your objective, witty perspective

  • @Commander-Arcamus-
    @Commander-Arcamus- Před 4 lety +1

    I mean they pretty much explained it in the first 2 min. If you act like a sensible and mature Pre-med, then technically a DO is “better” because they have more skill sets. The only other factor is the residency placements where DO have tougher times getting specialties and as a result, mostly go into General Medicine. It’s irrelevant If you care about the competitive aspect in getting into MD or DO when the end goal is being a doctor

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan Před 5 lety +17

    Based on training they’re definitely not.

  • @friscomorsegmail
    @friscomorsegmail Před 4 lety +1

    Graduated KCUMB and earned my D.O. In 2001. Did IM at Drexel University and am certified by the ABIM in 2005. The only discrimination I faced was for chief residency. The Chair of Medicine did not like DO’s and, despite support from program directors, was passed over. Worked out well personally so no big deal now. We have a single accreditation GME system now so how does any of this matter? I went DO because they accepted me before NY Med in Valhalla.

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan Před 5 lety +58

    So I’m a Med Bro too? 💪

    • @MedBros
      @MedBros  Před 5 lety +22

      Adnan you're definitely a medbro!

  • @johnwaas7958
    @johnwaas7958 Před 3 lety +3

    Nice video. I have been a practicing Hem/Onc DO for over twenty years. I have only received respect and admiration from my colleagues. Once you get past your residencies and fellowships you will feel the same way. Work hard, carry your weight and more. Be compassionate and empathetic and you will be rewarded more than you can imagine. My MD partner in practice calls me his brother. The argument here seems to be a worry to those that are concerned about what people may think of them. Your passion for medicine is what will shape you more. Also, look at the medical journals and see the number of Osteopaths that are contributors and leaders in all fields. This should no longer be a concern to anyone going into medicine. Oh, one more thing. Oncology is the most amazing field. Just sayin’.

  • @davidausterman5915
    @davidausterman5915 Před 2 lety +1

    When you graduate and get into the "real" world, all of this silliness pretty much disappears. I know DOs in every specialty that there is, and they are very good at their craft. This topic is mainly just fodder for internet arguments and to scare pre-med students. In the US, either route will get you respect and fulfillment. Once you get on the internet, all bets are off. On the internet, there are a many self-proclaimed "experts" on the subject that have zero medical background, but will be happy to tell you all kinds of "information" about these things. All that being said, these people on the video are great, and I don't include them in my "rant" lol.

  • @christianhowe8961
    @christianhowe8961 Před 4 lety +4

    I got into a BS-MD program this year! I never heard of DO's until this video and it's a shame there's a stigma toward them. Once you're a doctor, you're a doctor. Who cares?

  • @TheBalls55
    @TheBalls55 Před 5 lety +2

    I have been a DO for quite a while. At the hospitals the subject never really comes up. We're all colleagues .

  • @Beck-Stein
    @Beck-Stein Před rokem

    I work in physician admin as a physician. Before I accepted my position, the hospital admin already placed DOs into a second tier. In fact, many university hospitals don’t even hire DOs. Don’t believe me? Look at their faculty and staff. All MDs.

  • @jonfilibuster8499
    @jonfilibuster8499 Před 5 lety +7

    Every comparison video makes the same mistake:
    There are 'fewer' DO schools, not 'less' DO schools

  • @g.r.267
    @g.r.267 Před 5 lety

    I’ve been super interested in the DO and I was unsure as to which program is better. I was thinking of applying to both once I do my MCAT and see what happens from there !Thanks for clarifying the differences in this video ❤️

  • @poojachimata7006
    @poojachimata7006 Před 5 lety +9

    Im sorry but the guy on the left is literally Abishek Bachan

  • @elvisdagoat2102
    @elvisdagoat2102 Před 5 lety +10

    Thank u for these vids I have a dream of working in the medical field one day

  • @priyalsharma1061
    @priyalsharma1061 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you so much for this video! I am a pre med student who is really interested in osteopathic medicine and I always get asked "what's a D.O?" ... I wish more people were informed about this pathway :/

  • @eliberg1990
    @eliberg1990 Před 4 lety +4

    As a DO student I truly felt the stigma as a pre-med however now, I feel like that stigma is insignificant ofcourse its harder to get into Plastic surg but its not easy to get into that specialty as an MD too

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      I feel the same way :)

  • @josephg.8911
    @josephg.8911 Před 3 lety

    its very interesting that mostly MDs and MD students are speaking against DOs and would NOT become a DO if their life depended on it

  • @lucasmondo1
    @lucasmondo1 Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for clarifying the differences and being honest about it. Truly helpful video!

  • @RyanAmplification
    @RyanAmplification Před 5 lety +2

    You also can't group Caribbean schools into one group. You have schools like Ross, St George's, Saba, AUC, and AUA then you have the rest. The "rest" are huge gambles but the ones I mentioned have pretty good numbers and outcomes. I would go to Ross before I went to Idaho COM. I would go to Saba before I went to ARCOM. But I would go to any DO school before I went to Trinity or St Matthew's.

  • @jeffandrew300
    @jeffandrew300 Před 2 lety

    I grew up in a farming region in west USA. A lot of the doctors I encountered were DOs (including a number of non primary care specialists). I honestly couldn’t distinguish their professionalism or competency based on which degree they held. That seemed to be dependent more on the individual.

  • @brucen.3602
    @brucen.3602 Před 5 lety +7

    lmao the only reason OMM still exists is because it's literally the only thing separating an MD curriculum from a DO curriculum

  • @sergiofernandezmolinero8735

    I'd like to hear your thoughts about IMGs and the Caribbean Medical Schools.

  • @ashleydaniel6934
    @ashleydaniel6934 Před 5 lety +7

    Im leaning towards DO strictly because they treat the entire patient and not just the disease.

    • @beethousand2001
      @beethousand2001 Před 5 lety +5

      So do MDs, the idea that DOs are the only to treat the entire patient is just marketing

    • @mike112693
      @mike112693 Před 4 lety +2

      @@beethousand2001 its not marketing. Its literally stated in their philosophy. MD schools are pretty much copying DOs now.

  • @thefenerbahcesk4156
    @thefenerbahcesk4156 Před 5 lety +2

    DO schools require a letter of recommendation from a physician

  • @elenaisabel95
    @elenaisabel95 Před 5 lety +1

    I'm from Puerto Rico, a Caribbean island that is part of the United States. Here are 4 med-schools. Within the island it is very competitive, every premed student want to be accepted in one of the 4. but compared to the US schools is way easier to get accepted. Puerto Rico med schools, even though they are Caribbean schools, they are not the same as other Caribbean schools comparing the accreditations. What I don't know is if Puerto Rican med students, when applying to the Match, are seen and considered as U.S students or carebbean students

    • @lovethefeelingofspring5973
      @lovethefeelingofspring5973 Před 5 lety +2

      Puarto Ricans have us citizenship so that is why their medical schools are not considered Caribbean.

    • @joshua90z
      @joshua90z Před 5 lety +2

      Puerto Rico is not considered a Caribbean. They have a good chance of matching in the United States if they decided to practice here. BUT correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think every med school in Puerto Rico is US affiliated? Just make sure.

    • @rastafarai3712
      @rastafarai3712 Před 5 lety

      I got accepted into M.D in Puerto Rico and D.O in U.S. Ended up choosing D.O

  • @dragonmaster4429
    @dragonmaster4429 Před 2 lety

    How close to body manipulation is this to chiropractic manipulation? I realize chiropractors can't write prescriptions but, they have a lot of stigma about them not being a "real" doctor. So how close are the manipulations?

  • @xinnianightingale6099
    @xinnianightingale6099 Před 4 lety

    For all the smarts MDs have, somehow generations of them didn’t realize that the medical staff with snakes symbol is actually Hermes’ staff, not Asclepius’s.

  • @sara215
    @sara215 Před 5 lety +4

    I feel like the DO is going to become a MD in 20 years like what happened in California

  • @ashleynave561
    @ashleynave561 Před 5 lety

    My gynecologist is a DO. I see her once a year because I have had menstrual problems with PMS or heavy bleeding before using birth control. I normally don't have to see my gynecologist too many times because I'm sexually inexperienced or inactive, however menstrual problems is actually a different situation.

    • @ashleynave561
      @ashleynave561 Před 5 lety

      Even virgins can get BV or yeast infections which aren't STD'S at all.

  • @Low_pH
    @Low_pH Před 5 lety +5

    MD schools tend to have better research opportunities and clinical rotation sites. Whether you like it prestige matters in residency.

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      Depends on the program and program director. Some programs would rather have students with extensive research and great step scores, regardless of where they come from.

  • @AdilSiddique29
    @AdilSiddique29 Před 5 lety +4

    “DO Stock is Rising” as someone who chose a DO school over MD for location. This makes me feel like an expert trader. Haha. What’s your guys’ take on Anesthesia for DOs? Competitively I mean.

    • @joshua90z
      @joshua90z Před 5 lety +1

      Gas is not competitive

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Před 5 lety +1

      Anesthesiology is not competitive

    • @mike112693
      @mike112693 Před 4 lety

      that specialty isnt competitive as much anymore because of lifestyle and mid level creep. CRNAs making a big push.

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      Hey Adil, I would check the match data for the NRMP. It looked like 60% matched in Anesthesiology.

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      @@Low_pH It actually is. The match data over the years has shown it.

  • @1024specialkay
    @1024specialkay Před 5 lety

    haha, the stocks analogy! Love this video! I'm a OMS 2

  • @sukanyajain105
    @sukanyajain105 Před 4 lety

    Watching this video in 2020 and listening to y'all talk about a residency system merger is tripping me out. Seeing this right after watching Puneet's vlog showing her keeping N95s on standby in case they called any of you guys out to help at ERs.

  • @jrperezdo
    @jrperezdo Před 4 lety

    Well done
    I think you present a well balanced view point. As for me I applied to med school in the 90s I remember my year was especially competitive. I grew up working class in less than stellar school system my parents needed my help to read their mail never mind them helping me. Extra curricular as? I had a full time job in college! I needed to stay in a particular city got in to do and didn’t get in to the md school that it was feasible for me to attend. I was going to sit it out but an excellent doc that I knew put it plainly and said “listen..Ive met some crummy dos and some excellent ones and the same goes for MD’s”. so here I am 20+ years later
    And despite that I am well liked and respected as a specialist making more money than I ever expected as a partner in a prominent group in a large metro area....It still bothers me because of the whole prestige thing I think that a big problem is the otherization of the DO brand (which is self imposed) I can deal with you went to a not so prestigious med school fine because at the end of the day if you are diligent you can overcome that but having to explain yourself over and over for decades gets old
    If my daughter wants to ignore my advise and decides to go to med school rather than being a hedge fund manager I would encourage her to attend an allopathic school, but faced with the prospect of not doing something that you Love and for which you have great aptitude, because you maybe don’t have the best numbers for some reason or another then DO it is
    At the end of the day it makes you tough and cultivates a good work ethic
    We need doctors from Ivy League schools that will change the world and innovate and lead the way and we need family docs that
    See patients in the trenches
    I commend you all for having a kind and generous posture re this issue and wish you continued success in your careers and your lives in general
    Your parents did a great job and I’m sure are proud beyond expression.

  • @kelechi5093
    @kelechi5093 Před 5 lety +8

    Why does having extra knowledge (DO) make you more “inferior”? I don’t get it.

    • @dinakhaled3411
      @dinakhaled3411 Před 5 lety +1

      It certainly does not make you inferior. What makes others look down on DO is that the average accepted GPA/MCAT is usually lower.

    • @TorchFilms_
      @TorchFilms_ Před 5 lety +2

      I think it’s because a lot of people think the OMT is pseudoscience.

    • @AmyStylinson
      @AmyStylinson Před 4 lety

      It’s not that having extra knowledge makes you superior. It’s just that DO in general is seen as inferior bc they’re not the mainstream typical MD. They just happen to learn OMM which some people look down on as “massage techniques”.

  • @docali6729
    @docali6729 Před 4 lety +1

    Major part you missed DO cannot practice in Canada or Australia or UK wheras MD can ...

    • @WildineS
      @WildineS Před 3 lety

      They definitely can in Australia and Canada...

    • @docali6729
      @docali6729 Před 3 lety

      @@WildineS Show me the proof

    • @davidausterman5915
      @davidausterman5915 Před 2 lety

      @@docali6729 Take a quick google for Canadian Osteopathic Association lol.

  • @MC-wp8fb
    @MC-wp8fb Před 5 lety

    PLEASE HELP! Which classes did you take during your undergrad? Can you please rank which classes are most crucial for the MCAT: genetic, cell, molec, anatomy/physiology, and immunology. THANK YOU! LOVE YOU GUYS!

  • @SquatSimp
    @SquatSimp Před 5 lety +2

    Why would you choose a MD program over a DO one?

    • @KeenerCA
      @KeenerCA Před 5 lety +1

      If MD school's mission/vision statement lined up better with mine than the DO schools I was looking at then I would go for the MD. Schools put a ton of time into those statements so they must be pretty important!

    • @beethousand2001
      @beethousand2001 Před 5 lety +6

      More opportunities as an MD, particularly if you want to get into a competitive residency. Also on average, I think the quality of medical schools tends to be higher in MD programs

    • @Low_pH
      @Low_pH Před 5 lety +1

      @@beethousand2001 also no OMM classes and more research opportunities

    • @AmyStylinson
      @AmyStylinson Před 4 lety

      For me, I’m a Texas resident. I would choose any state school in Texas over an oos school. Meaning I’d rather go to TCOM then oos md.

  • @k-isfor-kristina
    @k-isfor-kristina Před 3 lety +1

    As someone not in the medical field, for me it's the concept of osteopathy which seems to fall into something like hokey pseudoscience that makes me think that MD is better. If in fact both programs teach the same material then why should it even be a separate program. Because the connotation for us regular people when hearing the terms of "doctor of medicine" vs "doctor of osteopathy" one sounds more legitimate while the other sounds like a quack

  • @aribear1846
    @aribear1846 Před 5 lety +2

    Love you guys!!!
    Do y’all know anything about HPSP?

  • @savannah4439
    @savannah4439 Před 5 lety

    What really kept me from applying DO in the end was that they can’t practice in some places abroad, and I’m interested in Doctors Without Borders someday. That and I’m from Texas, so I didn’t want to have to fill out THREE different application systems since I already had to do AMCAS and TMDSAS.

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety +2

      You can do Doctors Without Borders as a D.O. If you were interested in permanently practicing in another country, it'd get difficult though.

    • @AmyStylinson
      @AmyStylinson Před 4 lety +1

      DOs can practice in almost every single country and they can definitely practice with DWB as well (global medicine).

    • @kikithepupper6774
      @kikithepupper6774 Před 3 lety +1

      You can! there are DO schools that also incorporate global missions in their programs for their students

  • @officialsarahkhan28
    @officialsarahkhan28 Před 5 lety

    This was so helpful, wow! thanks guys!

  • @dipaknadkarni62
    @dipaknadkarni62 Před 4 lety +4

    Why is this video even important. Competitive versus less competitive. MD or DO you better be good at what you do. As a nearly 3 decade DO in the US Navy physician training MDs and DOs, myself MD residency trained and boards for at least one more cycle. Being stationed all over the world. Bottom line, MDs please get over this distinction. In the real world it does not matter if you are good. The insanity and arrogance of MD “medical superiority “ is falling on deaf ears. Just watch the future. BTW you actually do a disservice to medicine as a whole. Get over it. You name the specialty and DOs are there. No bitterness but why do I feel that MDs are trying to recruit. Shame on MDs for leaving primary care. You are a disgrace to the medical profession.

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety

      Exactly! In the end, you take the same tests and serve the same patients whichever route you go.

    • @therealsouthernbelles
      @therealsouthernbelles Před 4 lety

      EXACTLY

  • @superbchannel3167
    @superbchannel3167 Před 4 lety +1

    DOs are just as great as MDs. That's the beauty of America. So many options. Nurse, Nurse Practitioners, PAs. Great country.

  • @jaehongsong4904
    @jaehongsong4904 Před 5 lety

    Go for DO if your intention is just to become a doctor and practice in primary care. I honestly think they have better mission for primary care compared to an allopathic medical school. If you are thinking about a different specialty with higher competition, MD is a much better choice. Some hospitals will just look at the DO title and immediately rip your application apart, unless it is a DO friendly place like V-tech where even neurosurgery residency takes DOs

  • @rubenramirez411
    @rubenramirez411 Před 5 lety

    Great explanation guys!

  • @alexrusso5067
    @alexrusso5067 Před 5 lety +12

    Are the three of you guys MD?

  • @neebz2499
    @neebz2499 Před 5 lety

    Can you guys show what you did during your undergrad I.e. AMCAAS application?? Much appreciated!

  • @franksalgado4078
    @franksalgado4078 Před 5 lety

    Dream team!!!! You guys are awesome!!

  • @BamCam22YT
    @BamCam22YT Před 5 lety

    Would you consider anesthesia a competitive residency for a DO? I’m applying in 2021 cycle

    • @ZVMed
      @ZVMed Před 4 lety +1

      I would check the match lists for some of the D.O. schools to see if there are any that have a lot of seniors matching in anesthesiology. Also, check out the match statistics from mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/MM_Results_and-Data_2020-1.pdf. There are a lot of D.O.s in anesthesiology, however, it seems like only around 60% of D.O.s match in it. I

  • @farmgirl7891
    @farmgirl7891 Před 5 lety

    Hey I have a question please answer. Can I get into med shcool if I failed 3 classes ? But I retook them I did better

  • @SaimaTheGreat
    @SaimaTheGreat Před 4 lety

    Ok but why does my son on the right have such great lashes. Like tf?

  • @anasabbas98
    @anasabbas98 Před 5 lety +2

    All 3 of u r siblings?!?! Thats insane

  • @TechVHD
    @TechVHD Před 4 lety

    So which one are they are they siblings

  • @BeatboxProfessional
    @BeatboxProfessional Před 4 lety

    fantastic video

  • @samuelsmithmed214
    @samuelsmithmed214 Před 4 lety

    Lmao at the thumbnail