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22 Magnum 100 Yard Accuracy: CZ 512, Savage A22, Magnum Research 1722M & Kel Tec CMR 30
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hey Mike like the video keep up just being real I've been doing some research on getting a 22 for the wife and I've been really looking into the Magnum Research barracuda 22LR and what ammo shoots best watching your video just helped me decide to purchase it for my wife I appreciate the video and keep up the good work
Thanks.
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel czcams.com/users/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
Great review and video Mike! Well done. Thanks for taking the time to make such a great informative video!
Agree with Derek on your careful review. You already made a disclaimer on your marksmanship--if the rear bag was missing, it was missing for all 4. As you said, relative. As a first-time viewer to your videos, found them articulate, organized, and well done. Listen to naysayers, but not too much.
I enjoyed it very much thanks for doing it. As I have a new cz512 carbine on the way I've watched three of your vids now and enjoyed them all.
You will like the CZ. Very classic lines. The trigger is the only area that needs improvement. I am told that is an easy thing for the right gunsmith to fix.
Great demonstration ! Thanks for taking time to do this.
Thanks for watching. Please check out my channel if you get a chance.
As always, you did a great job on this video. Thanks! I'd just like to say that in order to prevent any accuracy issues you could use sandbags on the butt as well or a full length shooting rest in order to eliminate the human aspect (I'm not complaining). For all intents and purposes however, you gave us what we needed to know. I've been sitting on the fence regarding the A-22 or the MR. Now I've made up my mind. Thanks again.
Very good organization and variable control. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching. Please check out my channel if you get a chance.
I just bought my Kel-Tec CMR-30 rifle. It was apparently the only one at the local gun show, the dealer did not replace it with another on display 5 hours later. I had already checked every pawn shop and gun store within 25 miles, none. I cleaned it overnight and fired it next day. I had no problems except those caused by a failure to properly load the magazine. I added a short scope, a 3x9 at 40 mm. I 'zeroed in' using a barrel laser and a few shots at 25, 50, and 100 yards, maximum available space. I was very pleased. I added a homemade carbon fiber forward hand grip. I will add a white light and perhaps a laser for close counter.
It is a very well made rifle and is much fun as well as a serious weapon. Recoil is straight rearward, allowing quick access to target again. I do recommend a firm pull-in grip to shoulder. When firing from a non-shouldered position it handles very well. Instinct shooting at close range is very attainable. The 22 WMR at 40 grains was a good choice for this rifle. I had no misfires and only a few failure to feeds. I began at 20 rounds in each mag. Fired 400 rounds for the day. I want to thank Kel Tec for making a fine rifle. I have fired a few other of their guns and riles, but not a bull pup as yet.
Notice that he said he got the CMR TODAY. So it had not been through it's break end period. He also shot it last, every time. Not sure that I would use this as a benchmark
Nice comprehensive test Michael. Thanks!
Thanks for watching.
Nice vid, i expected more from the Savage and Magnum research did very well nice to see u added it in the comparison
Thanks.
Thanks! I found this very interesting and a worthwhile video!
Thank you.
It's crazy to see how much different these semi-autos are from bolt guns! I have a Savage 93FV-SS that my dad got me for Christmas a few years back that will consistently print less than 1" five-shot groups at 100 yards. It is my favorite rifle to shoot just because it is so darn accurate, and all my shooting friends love it too (lol)! My best group to date, which I have yet to replicate was three shots at .33" center to center at 100 Yards!!
Good shooting. It would not be a bad idea to shoot a group with a bolt action as a baseline when doing a test like this one.
Have you any experience with Henry lever/ pump .22wmr? Vs bolt action? Thank you.
Here it is about 4.5 years later on, and I sure do miss Mike's good videos.
Thanks for this Mike!
Thanks!
Very informative video. Nicely done. Thanks.
Thanks.
100 yards!!! Thanks Mihael 😉
CZ makes mighty fine rifles. That little 512 is going to be mine soon. My CZ 550 308 varmint is looking for a little brother to sit next to him in the safe...but the KelTec CMR30 sure does look fun and easy to carry around
How the heck have I never scene one of your videos? Man great job! glad I found the channel!
Thanks for watching.
cz gets my best choice award. We know cz is known for high quality guns in general. Not cheap but worth their price.
Nice work,thank you.
Thanks.
Much respect for your disclaimer. A lot of us shooters blame everything
but themselves for the accuracy "issues" that may come up. You sir, have
presented me with a dilemma. Just bought the Savage A22, have the 10
Series in 308 - love Savage!! BUT I also love CZ firesticks and your
presentation in this vid has me seriously thinking on that 512. I'll
give the A22 time to stretch its legs before deciding to get that CZ
that I know I will "need" :-)
Keep 'em coming.
I like all 4 of these for different reasons. The MR 1722M does respectable and is very light, the CMR 30 weighs almost nothing and holds 30 rounds.
Did you end up buying the 512 and if so what’s your opinion on it because I’m not trying to decide between the A22 of the CZ-512.
Truly appreciate the effort put into your videos Michael and the more I watch and read people’s comments I can see how people get fed up from constant computer critics and eventually give up on putting the time and effort into doing videos. Again, Thank you and all the very best for 2023.
Let’s Go Brandon haha
excellent video...amazing job
great review ! That CMR is a neat looking rifle.
I have to say at 3.5 pounds and 30 rounds it would be a handy gun for camping. Would not be a bad truck gun either. It shot well with the Winchester Super X which would be good against coyotes etc.
It is brand new. It had one failure to feed. I have taken it apart cleaned and lubed it. I want to take it out with a variety of ammo to see what it likes and if there is ammo that it does not run well with. I'll try to give some follow up when I test it out.
My CMR ran for about 700 rounds right out of the box without cleaning. My only major complaints are the magazines...they are all polymer and have a bit of flex in them. However, if you load them right they run like a dream! I would definitely buy one again! The only serious downside is the cost of feeding it. At an average of around $15/box of 50, topping off 30 round mags gets pretty pricey.
Great review Michael, I own a remington 597 in .22 wmr and i have mainly used the lighter rounds which move at a faster speed.
I used the cci maxi mag tnt 30gr and hornady vmax 33gr, it preferred the lighter cci, just a thought for another test keep up the good work!
Thanks.
Good video. I am feeling better with the groups I'm getting after watching this. I dare say no one can satisfy all the armchair shooters all the time. Thanks for taking the time to make and post this vid.
Thanks!
Great review. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
If you were to offer a suggestion..:) Would you prefer the CZ512 or the A22 mag?
I plan to keep both, but if I could only keep one it would be the CZ 512. I like the magazines better, does not have the cheap plastic parts, and the recoil system is simpler and smoother. I like the factory stock better. The things better with the Savage are the trigger and the steel receiver. The CZ trigger can be worked on, and overall the CZ has an edge in accuracy as well as styling. They both shoot well and the Savage is about $100 less if that is a deciding factor. But if I had to choose one it would be the CZ 512.
Michael thanks for your opinions. I value how you describe the pros and cons of each rifle.
Awesome video! I’ll stick with my $199 Ruger American standard 22” 22WMR. It will outshoot all of these rifles. I will buy the cz512 22WMR some day.
Thanks for watching.
Staple gun has best groups
LOL
No disclaimer necessary in my opinion. It's your camera, your property, your guns, and your ammo. So, if you want to pull the trigger on video by all means do so. Viewers can (and will) judge marksmanship for themselves. I have two CZ 512's, one in 22WMR and the 16" carbine in 22LR. The trigger takes some getting used to but once you figure out the creep and where they break to fire both shoot with excellent accuracy. The 22WMR is sighted for 100 yards. I like the CCI VMAX, CCI A22, and Hornady VMAX. The 22 LR is sighted for 50 yards. I like the Federal HV. American Eagle HV shoots pretty well, too.
Thanks for sharing your experience and information.
great comparison of relative accuracy between rifles and ammunition . Rimfires do tend to display a preference for ammunition for best accuracy . My Ruger VBZ . .22 mag prefers CCI MAXI MAG 40gr HP .followed by the W-W HP .
thank you for taing the time and do the comparisson, Seems like 22 mag is a hunting round and it shows in the accuracy dept especially with semi auto rifle. My cz 457 lux however does 4.5 inch at 200 meter it was amzing
Well done
Thanks for watching.
Best comparison video.... 👌
Thanks
Excellent!
Thanks
Hitting 3" plates all day at 100 yards
CZ512
Good job.
Awesome..makes life easier
Great video. I was not familiar with MR until I watched this video. Their rifles are far
more expensive than the others but the accuracy is not superior and doesn't seem to justify the price.
The MR receivers are nice and it is very light. The MR was the most consistent with these 3 rounds. Each of these rifles have strengths and weaknesses.
The .22 WMR BRNO 611 is the real deal. You must do another comparison video with that gun.
From all the shooting I've done, I know some guns don't like certain ammo. Not just what brand of ammo but also what grain bullet. For example. My Marlin .44 mag lever action rifle shoots best with CCI 200 gr. bullets. Tried 240 and larger grain bullets, but they shot terrible. Just throwing it out there. Great, informative video.
You are exactly right. Not that one ammo it better but that each gun does differently with different ammo.
Hi Mike..what a fun video..its spring time and my rifle senses are beginning to tingle..ive been looking at the new CZ
..what rifle did you find the most comfortable to shot?..
Thank you
The CZ feels the best. The KelTec is super lightweight.
I just bought The Savage A22 magnum. Now I read all these bad feed issues. What brand and type of ammo are you using. It is hard to find A22 ammo. Will CCI maxi mags work? CCI TNT mags? What works?
Hey, how. Come no one ever uses the Big Green Model 597 in .22 Magnum? My Remmy shoots as good as these samples, but I have never tried to find out what .22 magnum ammo it likes. I will say that all my rifles will be shooting better than me. Great video! Keep'em coming.
I do not have a 597. If you ever come to eastern NC bring your 597 and we'll go out to Bullet Creek and do a review together.
i'd be curious to see what the velocity spread is for these groups. my 22wmr pistol gives ES's of >100 fps with factory ammo. if that were true for these rifles then you can expect about a 1" vertical spread from that alone.
I should look at that.
Michael, you did this comparison about 2 years ago and I'm sure you have shot these rifles since. Would you be willing to say which rifle you would consider most reliable? I'm trying to decide between the CZ and Magnum Research (I think)? Your comments may seal the deal.
I love the design of the MR but their approach to venting the breech end of the barrel leads them to prohibit bullet weights less then 40g. If I was only going to get one between these two I would go with the CZ unless you knew you would never want to shoot lighter bullets then I would go with the MR.
@@MichaelBellmbell556 Do you know of anyone who has milled the rail, off the MR? I have the gun and love it, but it drives me crazy how high this causes the scope to be mounted.
I now shoot 6rd groups and toss out the inevitable flier which tends to yield more typically appropriate expected groups from commensurate price & quality ammos.
Great video I think I will stick to the CZ
The CZ is a nice rife
Michael, you seem to know what you are talking about in your reviews. I have ordered a Volquartsen 22 magnum and I was wondering if you have had any experience with their 22 Mag semi-auto's. I have been shooting an old 597 22mag and have been disappointed with the precision or accuracy. I don't expect so called "match level" accuracy but I enjoy a good group on paper, it just seems to be more fun. Thanks for any feed back. Great videos, very insightful. David
I do not have the Volquartsen 22 Mag but I am sure you will be pleased. They have a very high standard of quality. They also make 25 round magazines for their rifle. Please let us know here how the rifle shoots for you. Thanks.
Thanks for the reply Michael. I'm about ready to retire and am checking a few things off my bucket list. I became a Volquartsen fan when I bought one of their LLV barrels for an old 1980's MKII Ruger and the level of precision and accuracy was beyond what I expected. Sooo I am springing for one of their new 22Mag Scorpion pistols and a 22mag semi-auto rifle with a thumb hole stock. I've heard nothing but good things about their rifles and their pistols I know from experience are very accurate. Like you I'm no bench rest shooter but I do enjoy rimfire shooting. Again great video's Thanks, David
Get a rear Rest, have someone else shoot. To me the groups are way off. But the ammo .22rf does what want when we shoot it. I see flyers when shooting but not the amount you have. Good vid. Thanks
Thanks. Working on my accuracy comparisons.
I’m a sucker for a CZ. 🇨🇿 They are nice though.
I'm getting in that category. Recently fire a CZ-452, man I got in love with that gun and the brand. I got my CZ-75 and it feels great in just the first 2 shots.
Happy Camper The CZ75 is amazing. 🇵🇭🇺🇸
Hi really like your video just wondering if you seen the ricochet that happen at 8:30 in this video top right hand side of screen
All of the rounds struck the target 100 yards away. There is a berm about 15 yards behind the target stand. The top right hand side of screen shows casings ejecting. The target I was shooting at was about chest high.
Yes I know it is highly unlikely but if you watch the trees it looks like something come back through the trees at that spot
The shot is at 8:29:11. I went back to the original film in Power Director so I could look at frame by frame. The only thing I see moving in the upper right field of view is the casing. The round is hitting 100 yards down range. You can hear the delayed bullet impact sound. I have no doubt that I have a lot of ricochets when shooting at the ground or water, but I have miles of clearance behind me when I take those kinds of shots.
Oh no I'm sure you are shooting safe I just thought if it was it was amazing it came that far back before hitting any other trees that's all I was meaning
You convinced me to buy a bolt action 22 magnum.
I have a Savage 22 WMR bolt action. I like it.
Great video. I also have the cz, mr and A22. My mag research groups fiocchi 40gr jhps much better than anything else I've tried and the cz likes cci. I like the feel of the mr best but as far as reliability I don't know if the cz can be beat.
Thanks for sharing this info.
Michael Bell I have a pmr 30 sometimes cycles great but just as often doesn't. Have you used any particular ammo the cmr performs particularly well with?
would you recomend a CZ 512 in .22 wmr for a first rifle
I would go with a 22 LR as a first rifle. The ammo is much cheaper. A 10/22 or one of the new Winchester Wildcat 22s.
Like your videos. Do you plan to do a .22 centerfire cartridge comparison?
What do you have in mind? If I have them in my collection I can do a comparison.
I was thinking of the 5.7x28 22 hornet 22-250 and the newer 22TCM. Also do you think the recent ruling in Maryland gun control laws will have a national impact?
Was thinking of the 22-250 the 22 hornet and the new 22 TCM also not sure that the 5.70 and .17hmr super magnum fit in the same class but they seem to be used for many of the same applications. Their velocity and accuracy and cost per round to use and what you seem to be best at comparing different ammo. (That is a complement).
I have 22 hornet for the M6 survival rifle but no other rifle that fires that round. I do have .17 hmr in a Remington bolt rifle. I do not have the TCM or 22-250. I'll ask some friends that hunt about the 22-250. I may be able to find a friend with that caliber rifle I could borrow. I'll see if I can find someone with a bolt rifle in 22 Hornet also. A side-by-side with 22 hornet, 22-250 and .17 would be interesting. I'll see hat I can do.
I do have the 5.7x28 PS90 so I could toss that into the mix.
Hopefully you still check this, but what mount are you using for your cmr30?
I used 2 30mm offset mounts like you might use for a red dot sight. It was just what was handy in the shop.
Sorry, I'm picking your brain. I've never used offset mounts and I just purchased a cmr30 and I wanna say the same scope. Any reason the original hardware that came with the scope wouldn't work?
@@MojoWhoa The rings that come with the scope are for a Dovetail mount found on most rimfire guns that have a rail. They are not compatible with the weaver/picatiny rails that are on the CMR.
I like your videos I bought the Savage a.22 Magnum killed a coyote at a hundred yards one shot 1 kill. I mounted a IR scope on the Savage .22 Magnum and it worked flawlessly. I do not need a flash suppressor I do not need noise suppressor. and I watched him tip over in the scope the coyote was at 100 yards. The round was A22 CCI 35 grain. Just saying have a nice day
Nice. We are developing a coyote problem in our area now. This is very useful info. Thanks!
ok i know i may sound stupid but what is the best .22 Magnum rifle?
BRNO ZKM 611.
Good p.m here in the Philippines, can I buy your product, I love CZ 512, and savage 22
I'm going to purchase a .22 magnum rifle. Would you be willing to rank the four rifles you shot today starting with quality and cost as the second factor.
Quality of the build: Magnum Research and CZ tied for #1, Savage #2, and Kel Tec #5 (a distant last place)
Cost Savage is the least expensive then CZ followed by Magnum Reasearch and Kel Tec tied for most expensive.
The only reason to get the Kel Tec is for the novelty of such a light rifle that holds 30 rounds in the grip. It is fun and I am going to keep it, but I would not get it if it was going to be my only 22 Mag rifle.
The mags and stock have been the biggest areas of complaints about the savage, but it is the least expensive and mine has functioned very well with a variety of ammo. So if you are on a tight budget look at the Savage. Any of the top three will serve you well if you plan to only have one 22 mag rifle.
Michael Bell - thank you sir for your reply and I will take your advice.
Why don't you zero in the scopes first? I also noticed you were shooting the CMR30 at a faster pace than the others. Was it easier to aim than the others, or were you just getting in a hurry?
I thought I had them zeroed. The different rounds did hit differently. The CMR had a lighter trigger and the rifle only weight about 3.5 pounds so it was faster back on target.
It does not matter if they are zeroed as long as they are on the paper. Not to be an ass but without a rear bag and taking your time you cant get good groups.
TheZigZiggy I have a cmr 30 it's very accurate and it dumps a 30 round mag faster than my ar's
Nevermind, I just noticed this is .22 *Magnum*
All of them really seem to shoot pretty close and would be pretty nice small game hunters at 100 yards if the scopes were zeroed in for it.. I am actually to see the CMR-30 hold its own. I think it is a great little gun with such nice little 30 round clips and a reasonable price and it folds into a package only 22.5" long. at 3.65 pounds it almost feels like a toy and it looks so small next to those other rifles. I think the primary use for this is a survival or backpackers gun as it is so small and light and easy to store in a backpack and while the 22 magnum is not going to have the stopping power of a shotgun or AR-15 I do think a 400 40 grain hollow point does more than enough damage to be considered lethal. I have not seen too many people put more than a red dot on these.
Question: The CMR-30 seemed quite a bit louder on video than the others, is it really that much of a difference in real life or not?
I have not noticed but I am wearing ear protection. It is amazingly light and handy and there is the 30 rounds in the pistol grip....very cool.
Good to hear you got a good one Kel-tec is a small but fast growing company and they have suffered a few growing pains. Some of their designs have had issues and some of their guns have had a lot of lemons off the assembly line. The CMR-30 and PMR-30, do to the small bullet and odd magazine, tend to have feeding issues if everything is not perfect. Most of the time they get sent in and Kel-tec just has to polish the feed ramp where the bullet slides into the chamber. I really want to get the CMR-30 and PMR-30 as they make a great combo. Each comes with 2 magazines so when I want to go out shooting I already have 120 rounds in magazines without spending extra money. The PMR-30 I would have to get the factory 5" barrel (which comes with a threaded barrel and a small flash suppressor on it). Not only does this seem to help with the feed issues a bit and drastically reduce the muzzle flash, but it increases the velocity by about 10-15% and should also increase the accuracy. Both are on my wish list right now... and maybe a KSG... :D
A suppressor is not a barrel extension with any rifling in it. It is a hallow tube, with noise baffles lined up in it, to decrease the dB level. This will not increase the velocity of any round, shot through it, because the bullet doesn't actually touch anything. As the bullet goes through the suppressor, the gasses get manipulated around the baffles, and decreases the dB noise levels. Just a little fyi, so that you understand the dynamics, and don't end up spending an extra $500 on a suppressor, and another $200 on a federal regulations stamp.
Todd Abbott It's the shorter barrel...
Hey Rhino! Did you work at Pinnacle??????? Why do the long range shooters claim that suppressed rifles shoot more accurately. A lot of them even prove it, in their videos. I'm just asking, because I'm like you...I don't understand how!
I have changed my mind on this video, on reflection the test was fair, scientific and the only criticism I would have is that the music is much louder than the speech, and this can be lowered in the sound levels section in your video software
Thanks. I will turn down the music in the future.
@@MichaelBellmbell556 Just down to the voice levels - that way those of us that watch in the late evening don't wake up those that are sleeping. Thank you
In my experience a scope can give you that much variation I know it's expensive and time-consuming but I'd be interested you took the Scopes off and put say a good high-quality Leupold scope shorted on one rifle move that same Leupold Scope the next rifle and shot with that rifle that would take out all the variable of different scopes then drop your 22 in a LED sled
That is an excellent point.
I agree than my rifles shoot better than me. But, your shooting is very good.
Thanks.
Did you discover anything about reliability you would like to share?
Yes. the field test and reliability comparison of the Savage and CZ was earlier...czcams.com/video/A8yOywwlLeo/video.html
I have in depth reviews of the other 2 rifles previously on my channel.
Savage alone reliability...czcams.com/video/oMJ8ODtV1jM/video.html
I looked at the Magnum Research a while ago...czcams.com/video/hWQc7ByZGco/video.html reliable with factory mags unless you shoot fast.
The KelTech is the least reliable and the bolt stop broke after a few hundred rounds.
Did the trigger on the cz 512 improve over time ?
It smooths out with use.
Is the safety on the CZ 512 a forward push off or pull back to take it off safety?
@@wendellbell6164 Cross in like 10/22
Ladies and Gents, when you are trying to determine accuracy potential, whether in one firearm and ammo combo or multiples thereof, please allow me to offer some suggestions, alongside Michael's much-appreciated video.
#1) Michael has what appears to be a solid, stable bench, but it would be better to also use a proper front benchrest or bipod, and a good rear sandbag. I like the Harris brand of bipods, and I suggest you get their BRM-S model. (Google it!) For a rear bag, get the Protektor brand, and do yourselves a favor and buy it/them pre-filled with sand from the mfg. Doing so will save you about 45 minutes of labor and bad language. Michael, your accent sounds like Pennsylvania to me, which is where Protektor does business. Using a benchrest or bipod, and a rear bag, will enable you to be WAY more consistent in your bench shooting, so the results will be more meaningful. I've owned probably a dozen front benchrests, ranging from $75 to more than $900. Sold them all over the years, except my trusty Sinclair version. But the Harris bipod is much lighter, very stable, and you just might like it. So the benchrest only goes to the range when I'm shooting my target rifles that don't feature a provision to attach a bipod.
#2) When I shoot for groups, to compare rifles and/or ammo, I shoot at least 5 consecutive five-shot groups with each rifle and each type of ammo. I'm currently testing (coincidentally) five different types of .22 WRM ammo, and narrowed down the bunch to just three contenders after the first round of testing. Then I shoot five consecutive 10-round groups with each rifle, and narrow it down further. To measure groups, I use a caliper, but there's no need (unless you enjoy it) to try to measure group size to 3 decimal places.
#3) For this kind of testing, you really should get a good zero (point of aim and point of impact are pretty much the same) before you start. Otherwise, like Michael's results, some of the shots are off-target, and that just nullifies the results.
#4) If you want to try a .22 WMR, and think I'm not totally FOS, then I recommend you get a Ruger Precision Rimfire, and the best load in this rifle in my accuracy tests so far (not the best time right now to be trying to find/buy ammo!) is the Federal Game-Shok (50 gr.) At 50y, my rifle and this ammo can hold sub 0.75" ten-shot groups. That's an average figure. However, the Keltec CMR-30 is a LOT of firepower (30 round magazine, just like their PMR-30) in a very portable package and is a lot of fun. If the armadillos come rampaging en masse where we live, I would grab it. But if I needed to pick off their ringleader at 100y, I'd grab the RPR.
Thanks for the input!
I agree about a solid rest but I finally realized I’m the biggest problem putting way too much pressure on myself and using home made sand bags in the front and back and the rifle slowly falls, never solid..I need a bipod
Also the ammo really matters which you mentioned above. Speer and Winchester do not do good in my rifle lol
You look like ND senator John hoeven
for what it is the cmr held its own
I Choose Savage A22 22 Magnum for price I guest I'm poor. Grouping not so bad compare to a high price 22 Mag riles, it could be better with the right Ammo every gun has it favorite and little work to it. Savage A22 22Mag for me.
I think is is a good value.
How is the savage rifle 2 years later? Reliable? About how many rounds?
Maybe use a rear sandbag next time as well to eliminate as much human error as possible. Thanks.
Forgot it
Hello everyone, I have cz 512 22wmr on 50m and 100m 3 hits are the same and I am very satisfied, I would recommend it to everyone.
Thanks
Are you related to Hickok 45???
No.
Michael Bell Well regardless, you made an excellent video and your depth of knowledge is outstanding! Thank you for making such quality videos!
@@bystander665 Thank you and thanks for watching. If you get a chance please check out my channel.
The CZ is a fine rifle but $35 magazines? That's ridiculous.
I agree.
The CMR should be sighted in properly and given another chance
I think all of these rifles could shoot better groups with someone else pulling the trigger. I am working at getting better from the bench. Just got a nice shooting bench that a friend made for Bullet Creek.
I'll give you credit...You just layed it out there. Not very good shooting, to say the least...but, on the bright side, you boosted my confidence. So, the video was a success. lol. How do these rifles compare, being reliable? I'm thinking of buying something in .22WMR.
Thanks for watching. I just show it like it is. At lease the relative accuracy should be useful information. The KelTec has had a broken ejector already and is more likely to jam. The other 3 have been very reliable. The A22 did not do well with Dynapointe ammo. The MR is not supposed to be used with bullets less than 40 gr. The CZ has functioned well with everything. So if you don't want to worry about what ammo you can get your hands on, the CZ is the winner. Check out my channel if you get a chance, and once again, thanks for watching.
his shooting was good enough to hit a man sized target and that as good as you need to be. everyone talking you can get half moa or tighter. you dont need that to hit the target he was not trying to do that just shoot his gun the way he wanted to see which ammo they liked. if you were ever to use them in self defence nobody not even the best could shoot moa as the person not going to stand there for you to hit so long as he got them in 5inch he will hit a man sized target so good enough. for all who dont think so shoot your own and dont worry about how or what he does with his guns and ammo you didnt buy it so be quiet about it
Awesome video,thats why im here
I never had that large of a grouping with my savage. Never. I am starting to warm up to the CZ. She's a cute one. The 100 yard test is better in my estimation when compared to 25 yard tests. You can't even zero a scope at 25 yards, why do it. Now let's back it out another 50 yards. 150 yards, just for fun. I've been told the drop rate is like a rock after 100 yards.
( you can't zero a scope at 25 yards ) lol.....lol....
If you're hunting in the woods wich is where most hunting takes place your average shots are going to be at 30 yards
hickock45...brother?
Don't know him but I have heard this before....LOL. I wish I had his following. My videos are a lot drier.
I like Hickock 45 videos but I like your videos just as well.
In order of loudness: 1) gunshots 2) staple gun 3) your mumbling
Michael, have you ever looked at CZcams videos showing the kinds of groups others have gotten with these rifles? You should. It's not the rifles.
I stated that in the video. That is why I say look at the relative group sizes not the absolute group sizes.
his shooting was good enough to hit a man sized target and that as good as you need to be. everyone talking you can get half moa or tighter. you dont need that to hit the target he was not trying to do that just shoot his gun the way he wanted to see which ammo they liked. if you were ever to use them in self defence nobody not even the best could shoot moa as the person not going to stand there for you to hit so long as he got them in 5inch he will hit a man sized target so good enough. for all who dont think so shoot your own and dont worry about how or what he does with his guns and ammo you didnt buy it so be quiet about it
@@bigsean2473 You should be shooting squirrel heads with these rifles, not man sized targets. That accuracy was horrible from a rest with a scope. If criticism hurts you so badly you should stay off the internet.
@@tking1170 who said it hurt me?? im just stating all people saying oh you need to shoot small lil groups it mean nothing for the purpose that weapons were made for. "You should be shooting squirrel heads with these rifles," says who he should be. he should be doing just what he is doing, shooting his guns and enjoying them. if you want to shoot lil small circles with your go right ahead but do criticize someone who didnt or doesnt want to. as i said before as long as you can shoot man sized targets your good. nothing else is needed
@@bigsean2473 Only an idiot or someone who has nothing else uses rimfire for self protection. The title of the video states "100 yard accuracy" There was nothing "accurate" in the whole video. If you're shooting a man at 100 yards from a bench with a scope you're probably going to jail for murder.
How many cz512
Around $500.
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I don't really understand criticizing shooting @ 25 yards if you're hunting in the woods wich is where most hunting takes place your average shots are @ 30 yards
Thanks!
Why do we have to listen to your favourite music ? this is a shooting video isnt it ?
This was free music CZcams provides. I guess I should not listen to those CZcams advisers. Sorry. Most of the music they provide for free is pretty bad.
@@MichaelBellmbell556 The fact that it is free is irrelevant, I am voicing my opinion that I don't wish to hear that rock music during a really good video (yours included) and that it reduces the listening pleasure by overpowering the real reason we are watching your videos - your content. an example is Alabama Arsenal, his use of music is truly complimentary and not disruptive. Thank you for responding so quickly. I guess I am an old fart. Happy New Year to you.
I regularly kill white tail deer at 200 yards 22wm. I killed elk as well 😂
Wow
Shooting without a rear bag isn't going to come close to testing the abilities of these rifles, the only thing being tested here is your ability with different firearms. Most of these rifles are capable of fraction of an inch groups at 100 yards. Here's a video of a Savage 22WMR that is probably not as accurate as the A22 but shooting far tighter groups because the shooter knows what he's doing. Not shooting properly for group size is a disservice to the manufacturers of all these firearms.
Here's the video: czcams.com/video/7h__AhbuATc/video.html
I am going to redo this test with proper support and see what happens. I'll see if the relative differences between rifle/ammo combinations holds if the groups all improve.
@@MichaelBellmbell556 Look forward to it..... and Yes... do whatever You can to TIGHTEN UP THE GROUPS... IMO the difference could all be attibuted to quality of triggers Only even... TIGHTEN THEM UP. I believe ALL are much more accurate than shown..Thanks for being open to feedback.. Kudos.. I loved this video and looking forward to the next
Thanks for all of the work! This is USEFUL!...........................elsullo
Thanks.
Appalling accuracy- based on that I’ll be buying none of them. Scatter guns !
All of these rifles are new. I think I will put a few hundred rounds thru each of them and then repeat the accuracy test.
@@MichaelBellmbell556 Hi Michael, nice test.
Is there any chance of a a re - run of the accuracy test, to see if there's any improvement 6 months, or more, down the line?
Keep up the good work.
@@fondelmaddick5085 Yes. I should put that on my list and try to get it done soon. I'll pick a calm day.
Michael Bell are you going to post it soon? I’m looking forward to it
@@MichaelBellmbell556 lookn forward to the rematch...food video
Good review but bad ammo lot or these guns are not worth the money
I am not a great bench rest shooter. :o(
I cringed when you sat down that cz and slid it against that wood table...
It has a plastic lower receiver. If it were my ZKM 611 I would pamper it more.
Guns&Cars guns are tools dude, nothing more.
This is not a fair representation, all are more capable than this. Get a Lead Sled if you want to be fair. I watched your video comparing the Savage vs the RAR and it was hard to see groups that poor from either. If the technique is flawed it is not a fair evaluation.
At least try to level the cardboards. Dang ocd
I an not a bench rest shooter, sorry, I'm trying. I have set up a 50 yard target and will try to get a more stable rest for the future.
Sorry to be critical here bud. But this is your second attempt at this " accuracy test " video & still you are not going about this in the manor in which you should. The sand bag & cinder blocks are ridiculous back yard amature hour bullshit. The right way to do this should be 1st) Using a Quality Gun Rest. Then shooting measured distances of both 50 & 100 yards. If you wanted to take it a step farther ( I certainly would ) move final range distance out to 150 yards. Finally, Pick a single ammo brand & weight & use it in all weapons & distances.
Thanks for the input. I have purchased a lead sled, and am currently building a shooting bench. I have been building new berms on the range as well.
I suspect the shooter was why some of the groups were so bad.....shoot to fast and rest was far from ideal for real accuracy testing...
his shooting was good enough to hit a man sized target and that as good as you need to be. everyone talking you can get half moa or tighter. you dont need that to hit the target he was not trying to do that just shoot his gun the way he wanted to see which ammo they liked. if you were ever to use them in self defence nobody not even the best could shoot moa as the person not going to stand there for you to hit so long as he got them in 5inch he will hit a man sized target so good enough. for all who dont think so shoot your own and dont worry about how or what he does with his guns and ammo you didnt buy it so be quiet about it
title say ( accuracy ) testing.....NOT can I hit a man sized target...IF you are going to do accuracy testing, do it right....
when you make videos and post them on YT you are asking for criticism...if you can't handle it ? You be quiet....lol...lol...
@@lrlapua8035 umm he did do accuracy testing just cause it wasn't up to the specs you thought it should be it still showed some info on how the different rounds grouped. he also stated in the beginning that he could not shoot the guns as accurate as they can perform. so he did what his title says as he never said accuracy testing moa or better so he did do it right for his test. how are you " asking for criticism" he never said hey tell me you opinion on what i did people just think they can say and tell others what there not doing right even when they never asked for you to do so. a lot of things in history would not have happened if others simply kept their mouth shut when nobody asked for their input in the first place.i just really hate when somebody does something and others have so much to say about how they did it. it you can do it so good post your own video and i bet there will be people who tell you, you did something wrong as well.
blah....blah...blah....rename the video then......or better yet he could quit making videos......not sure why it is so hard for you to get it through your head....maybe next time he should make a video and say, Hey, I'm making this video, but please don't comment because it may hurt somebody's feelings.....LMAO....
I know that,I watched your video. None of those tested are any goodINCLUDING YOUR CZ 512.