As someone making a career change, I've viewed several schools and their curriculum, and their courses aren't specific to the field. It was mostly retaking generals and wasting money. So I'm taking the self-study A+ route with hands-on experience.
Well said! & unfortunately some of the expensive colleges are starting to incorporate certification prep as part of the course, but for the price of tuition, it's not worth it! I think we need people to make use of public colleges, & these public colleges should offer the prep course as an actual class. Then with the lower tuition, it's not bad for students to pay for testing. But, definitely, the curriculums are outdated and overpriced. For working adults/parents, remote learning is an option but only with the private expensive colleges. I like your courses & am currently taking a course at Course careers where another great CZcams contributor, Josh Madakor, is preparing us for IT help desk roles. I'm currently taking your Udemy course and will be getting certified before entertaining the idea of completing my bachelor's. Thank you for the input.
I have a degree from a vocational college and we did a lot of hands on. Quite honestly that's the only way I learn. I now have my Sec+ but you know what, no experience or hands on other than a hand full of labs. Useless. So I'm taking your Sec+ course to bring this into focus. Thank you for pointing these things out. Around here what you pointed out is spot on. Helpdesk wants degree, years experience, and certs and pay $1 over minimum wage. For that I may as well go to McDonalds and not have the headache of the responsibility.
I agree but I disagree more. Many techs i know who dont have a degree or dropped out, REGRET not having it or not finishing it because they are stuck at Help Desk level 1/2/3 and cant move up to system administrator level or sys engineer because No Bachelors credential. 2nd reason i disagree. Lets say you have candidate A and B. Both have the same soft skills and both have at least comptia A+ cert but NO EXPERIENCE . HOWEVER-- candidate B also has a bachelors degree and comptia a +, whos HR going to give the job to ?? . This is my debate in regards to job market value and your competitors
for your example, if the job needed requires A+ cert, and there are 2 people trying to get the same job, the one with bacherlor is overrated for the job. This is a pretty common mistake, that people think they can get a basic job with a bacherlor or master degree, therefore they are on streets.
Andrew is correct. Entry Level at minimal requires an A+ Cert. But some higher level jobs such at desktop support analyst or a tier 3 level would require an Associates degree a minimal or even a Bachelor Degree.
What about jobs that require either a bachelor or comparable work experience. In that case how much or what type of work would warrant having a bachelor's degree level of knowledge? Just curious
I am currently going to a city college and and going for an associates in Computer Information Systems. I didn't like the learning at all, I felt like studying for the A+ cert helped me learn so much more. I still have a year left to get my associates and it is difficult to do the classes and study for the A+ cert , do you believe the associates will help me in my career or is it a waste.
I cannot agree more about the useless classes we have to take to earn a technical degree and the fact that after completing a degree in cyber security, I still have to go out there and get a certificate. Fortunately, my college at least allows their cyber security students to prepare for a certification of choice as part of the seminar project class. Another problem I see when it comes to IT or cyber security jobs are employers. Most of them require a bachelor degree preferably in computer science to get to these fields. Why? I entered into the cyber security AAS degree program at my local community college because I was told this should be enough to get a job. However, because of the aforementioned requirements I was forced to complete my bachelor's degree which might be complete useless because besides certification employers also require experience.
Although what you are saying is correct, try getting past Human Resources without a qualification. They want people to have diplomas to clean toilets these days.
Good advice! Technical Report Writing is a worthwhile college course. Since you may end up making budget decisions for your group, ya may want to be really familiar with Microsoft Excel. Information Technology (IT) people abuse acronyms.........set yourself apart and stop this bad habit so you will be an effective communicator. Texas State Technical College (TSTC) take note............you idiots stopped teaching hands-on.
History and Philosophy are not useless classes, far from being it. What about teaching a dead language (Latin) and even the literature attached to that dead language))) which college students are still forced tp study in Italy? they don't only update the arguments of subjects, they also don't change the classes when they become anachronistic
He's only discussing it in the context of the career. Yes history and philosophy are extremely important and should definitely be learned in some capacity but its only unrelated to the career in question
For entry level jobs it’s not needed but for any high paying job over $80k you’ll need it, that’s the problem.
As someone making a career change, I've viewed several schools and their curriculum, and their courses aren't specific to the field. It was mostly retaking generals and wasting money. So I'm taking the self-study A+ route with hands-on experience.
key word ENTRY level. stay in school kids
Well said! & unfortunately some of the expensive colleges are starting to incorporate certification prep as part of the course, but for the price of tuition, it's not worth it! I think we need people to make use of public colleges, & these public colleges should offer the prep course as an actual class. Then with the lower tuition, it's not bad for students to pay for testing. But, definitely, the curriculums are outdated and overpriced. For working adults/parents, remote learning is an option but only with the private expensive colleges. I like your courses & am currently taking a course at Course careers where another great CZcams contributor, Josh Madakor, is preparing us for IT help desk roles. I'm currently taking your Udemy course and will be getting certified before entertaining the idea of completing my bachelor's. Thank you for the input.
Make this guy the United States secretary of education NOW!
I have a degree from a vocational college and we did a lot of hands on. Quite honestly that's the only way I learn. I now have my Sec+ but you know what, no experience or hands on other than a hand full of labs. Useless. So I'm taking your Sec+ course to bring this into focus. Thank you for pointing these things out. Around here what you pointed out is spot on. Helpdesk wants degree, years experience, and certs and pay $1 over minimum wage. For that I may as well go to McDonalds and not have the headache of the responsibility.
I agree but I disagree more. Many techs i know who dont have a degree or dropped out, REGRET not having it or not finishing it because they are stuck at Help Desk level 1/2/3 and cant move up to system administrator level or sys engineer because No Bachelors credential. 2nd reason i disagree. Lets say you have candidate A and B. Both have the same soft skills and both have at least comptia A+ cert but NO EXPERIENCE . HOWEVER-- candidate B also has a bachelors degree and comptia a +, whos HR going to give the job to ?? . This is my debate in regards to job market value and your competitors
for your example, if the job needed requires A+ cert, and there are 2 people trying to get the same job, the one with bacherlor is overrated for the job. This is a pretty common mistake, that people think they can get a basic job with a bacherlor or master degree, therefore they are on streets.
Andrew is correct. Entry Level at minimal requires an A+ Cert. But some higher level jobs such at desktop support analyst or a tier 3 level would require an Associates degree a minimal or even a Bachelor Degree.
One can obtain desktop support analyst without a completed A+ or degree - only progress towards either. Shoot higher than you think you can achieve
What about jobs that require either a bachelor or comparable work experience. In that case how much or what type of work would warrant having a bachelor's degree level of knowledge? Just curious
thank you so much Mr Andrew your videos have made my life so much easier.
Sure, thanks 👍
agreed for intro, starter, medium, even some advance jobs, certs and experience would do it. Manager or principal are reserved for college degree
I am currently going to a city college and and going for an associates in Computer Information Systems. I didn't like the learning at all, I felt like studying for the A+ cert helped me learn so much more. I still have a year left to get my associates and it is difficult to do the classes and study for the A+ cert , do you believe the associates will help me in my career or is it a waste.
I cannot agree more about the useless classes we have to take to earn a technical degree and the fact that after completing a degree in cyber security, I still have to go out there and get a certificate. Fortunately, my college at least allows their cyber security students to prepare for a certification of choice as part of the seminar project class. Another problem I see when it comes to IT or cyber security jobs are employers. Most of them require a bachelor degree preferably in computer science to get to these fields. Why? I entered into the cyber security AAS degree program at my local community college because I was told this should be enough to get a job. However, because of the aforementioned requirements I was forced to complete my bachelor's degree which might be complete useless because besides certification employers also require experience.
The world of degrees need to change. We are working on this changs.
Although what you are saying is correct, try getting past Human Resources without a qualification. They want people to have diplomas to clean toilets these days.
Great information and I agree with you
Over 60 certification wow !
Video on where degrees are needed please
Thanks
Good advice! Technical Report Writing is a worthwhile college course. Since you may end up making budget decisions for your group, ya may want to be really familiar with Microsoft Excel. Information Technology (IT) people abuse acronyms.........set yourself apart and stop this bad habit so you will be an effective communicator. Texas State Technical College (TSTC) take note............you idiots stopped teaching hands-on.
History and Philosophy are not useless classes, far from being it. What about teaching a dead language (Latin) and even the literature attached to that dead language))) which college students are still forced tp study in Italy? they don't only update the arguments of subjects, they also don't change the classes when they become anachronistic
He's only discussing it in the context of the career. Yes history and philosophy are extremely important and should definitely be learned in some capacity but its only unrelated to the career in question