The Canon 5D Classic in 2023
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- čas přidán 2. 03. 2023
- It has been more than 3 years since I reviewed the Canon 5D Classic, the camera that was said to be like shooting with "Digital Kodachrome".
Well, while the camera didn't quite live up to the Kodachrome hype, it did offer an overall good experience. Unfortunately, due to only having it for about 6 months at that time and using a cheap nifty-fifty almost exclusively, I didn't really fall in love with the camera. I liked it, but I didn't love it.
Well, a lot has changed in these three years and I feel like this update is absolutely needed.
If you don't feel like listening to the whole video, feel free to use these timestamps to jump around;
0:10 Background & Reason for the Update
5:20 Build Quality
10:05 Ergonomics
13:08 Menu & Settings
15:20 Manual Focusing
20:12 Lens Compatibility & Lenses I Like
24:44 The Importance of the Right Lens
30:37 Image Quality & Output (with samples)
40:02 ISO Performance & Controversy
51:58 TLDR Version
59:54 Why Certain Cameras Are Special
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I still have and use my 5D. The lenses that really makes it shine is the good old Tamron 28-75 f/2.8. In the later years I have found the Canon 40mm f/2.8 STM to be really great also.
If you love the look from the 5D, I really reccommend that you try the 1Ds MKII. The files from that camera blows me away even more, every time.
great video amazing you made this kind of effort! I bought mine last week and im waiting for it to arrive.Hello from Peru
Good stuff man . I still love my OG 5D . It’s just always fun to pick up and the results are always better than expected somehow .
You are the real photographer. What you said about remembering every moment, lens, situation... that is some real talk right there. Its beyond composition, or colour scheme... when you stop noticing those things and you only see the mood, the impression of that memory. The good stuff.
5D + vintage lenses provide an absolutely amazing photographic experience. From not being able to really see how the photos turned out until you transfer them onto your device (because of the old screen), to the full manual tactile experience, each frame confirmed with a reassuring “ka-klack” of the mirror, it’s my favorite way to shoot digital to this day.
I’ve tried it with Super Takumar 55 1.8, S-M-C Takumar 50 1.4, Super Takumar 135 2.5, S-M-C 28 3.5, both MC and MD Rokkors 50 1.4, and a Nikkor 50 1.4 pre ai. Oh, and Helios 44m-4. Every single lens provides a different tactile experience, adds a different visual quality to the image and a unique feel to the photos, making it fun to shoot every single time.
Forget the noise, people, crank the iso up as high as you need to, shoot handheld at low shutter speeds, just have fun and experiment, and you’ll be surprised how much more you’ll learn by not restricting yourself to some arbitrary rules
I have the Asahi Super Takumar 50mm F1.4, the Helios 44-2 and an MC Beroflex 28mm F2.8. Been shooting with an M50 mark II, and the photos are just so much nicer than the EF-M lenses! My 5D classic has just been delivered from Japan... can't wait to see how these lenses work on the 5D, thank you for sharing your experience!
@@ShutterNChill Congrats! Hope the 5D brings you great memories!
Is there a straigtfroward way to judge if a vintage lens will work on a particular body? I was told to always choose mirrorless cameras if I wanted to pair them with vintage lenses because vintage lenses (designed for film) would damage the mirror. Your comment suggests that many of the old lenses would still work, though.
@@hellochriis They work on mirrorless without any issues. On my 5D though they work only in a limited focus range, as at infinifty the back of the lens retracts too deep into the body and bumps into the mirror when the mirror flips. (Actually it made the mirror fall off!) Eventually I stopped using the M42 lenses on the 5D, as sooner or later it would damage the mirror. I did glue it back, but I guess I was lucky it did not break or crack, so no more pushing safety.
@@hellochriis i don’t think there is a straightforward way other than some research. You can always check online whether a particular lens is going to mount a particular camera. Mirrorless is a safe bet, it’s just I don’t enjoy using them at the moment. I have been using my 5D with takumar, nikkor, rokkor and helios lenses without any issues so far.
Great video. Watched the whole thing and found myself nodding all along. Love the 5DC and 40 pancake combo. Find myself walking around with this setup completely relaxed, but creatively engaged. The freedom of constraints is a real thing. I also shoot with a Sony A7IV. Great camera, great results but completely different experience. Also, a fan of the X-T1. Should not have sold that one. Another gem.
Your video is the best out there that describes my own experience with the 5DC.
You are absolutely right about this becoming the favorite camera. I have a 70D and then I bought this and that was the end of 70D ….almost. 5D has become my go to.
I shoot it with a Canon 50mm f1.4, the trick seems to be to underexpose 1/4 or even 2/4s. This way you always keep original data and avoid burning highlights, you can always adjust to perfect point on post. The look and colors in the classic are so unique.
I agree, often the trick to maximise the canon files is to expose to the right, but the trick with with 5d is to hit the exposure bang in the middle! It can be a challenge, but when you get it right, nothing beats it! 😊
Nice video. I agree 100%. I was stunned how good the images are on this camera and I have some REALLY high quality cameras. The 5d is the Canon equivalent to the Leica M9. Something about the color/ lack of DR, grain pattern just makes something special. I’d pay a lot of money for the EXACT sensor in a fully weather sealed body with updated AF.
I completely agree. I have thought many times about if there will ever be an aftermarket way to upgrade specific components in old cameras while leaving everything else the same. So that, for example, you could have a 5d classic with face detect AF or even basic video capabilities (I’d love to see how this image quality would translate to video).
@@SkylerKing it seems as if camera manufacturers spent their resources improving the MEANS by which people take photos while sacrificing the final result in order to do so. Sorta sad. There IS a market for pure sensor based cameras. But if they make one, the images may be spectacular but in paper looks boring. Unfortunately the specs sell, not the final result
Thank you for the video.
Being purely a hobbyist photographer, I’m a Canon brand loyalist. Own five bodies, all Canon (5D, 5DII, 5DIII, 1DIV and 7D). I’m a lover of old gears which is why don’t own the newer bodies. I own a compact camera also, Powershot G5X.
Purchased the Classic two years ago used and just love it.
I shoot landscape, street/lifestyle and wildlife photos. Always use native lenses, no confidence in third party glass.
Yes, 5D Classic and G5X are the two cameras that always remain with me. Love shooting every day. The lenses I pair with 5D Classic are 50mm f/1.8 STM, 35mm f/2 IS, 17-40mm f/4L, 70-200mm f/2.8L and 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS. It’s so much fun shooting with 5D Classic. Never complain about its shortcomings because, I bought it knowing fully well about its limitations which makes me a better photographer every day.
One thing about noise management; I’ve suspected since long that, modern highrez bodies do suppress noise in-camera even if they say they don’t. So, fully in agreement with you.
Thanks again.
The 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM is a fantastic lens, super sharp, and relatively light weight. It definitely would be one of the top 5 lenses I would recommend for anyone on a budget.
"I’ve suspected since long that, modern highrez bodies do suppress noise in-camera even if they say they don’t. "
Even in RAW?
Yes, lab tests have confirmed it. Certain manufacturers do it more often than others.
@@SkylerKing Damn, thanks!
Beautiful video for photography lovers. I have Canon 5D Classic, 5D Mkii, and 5D Mkiv. My camera for paid jobs is the Mkiv. The camera I use for pleasure is the 5D Classic. The 12 mp full frame sensor has perhaps the largest photosites of any camera I can think of, which gives it a very different look from the modern 50+ mp on crop and micro 4/3 sensors. My favorite thing to do is use is my helios 44-2 lens with my 5D Classic. No filter or lut can replicate that look.
Well said. I often attributed part of the reason my D3s photos had such a special look was due to the 12mp full frame, giving it those very large photo sites and thus an increased circle of confusion. The 5d classic has that same advantage. I also agree that all the modern tech features in current cameras absolutely is an advantage for professional work and should be appreciated. Of course, most (not all) of those advancements matter for “pleasure” shooting. Though, I do admit that modern autofocus benefits can be greatly beneficial, even for pleasure and casual shooting.
I'm a super duper beginner photographer at the moment and was gifted the Canon 5D MII, Canon lenses, and some lighting....SO AMAZING to be gifted something this level in general. Going from a Nikon D3500 gifted to me by my husband one holiday. Holy wow...yes the build quality of this Canon you truly can't capture it. The camera is a beast and it feels like it's meant to last.
I am still learning how to use the Canon and photography terms are and how settings effect a picture...trying to get comfortable in manual mode. I can say for certain the menu on this Canon is very user friendly and intuitive. I really liked that a lot.
I feel like once I better understand photography in general and how the Canon works it's going to be my go to.
I agree i use this kamera as my main kamera professionaly since 2006. And still use it today!;)😊
This video was great! Love these longer format videos hearing someone like yourself go into all the nuances of your experience, especially with this camera. The 5D was my first ever proper camera and I think using it without all the creature comforts of a modern camera really helped me learn the basics much more quickly. Going through my library of photos, I can always seem to spot a 5DC file, whether its a plain raw or heavily edited, among the sea of other photos from the others I've now amassed. I think the look for me itches some sort of nostalgic part of my brain because this camera (I assume) was used for a lot of the commercial photos I saw in advertising and such in magazines or TV growing up since I was born in 2002 and this released in 2005. It's hard to explain, but almost everyone else who I've talked to about this camera agrees.
Hello.I have in use Canon 5D,Canon 30D and Rikoh 200.I am very impressed with your opinion about the Canon 5D camera and I also try to relate to shooting and printing photos.You're doing great!
Very very good video. I really liked your impressions about the camera. I thought it was a lengthy video but it was perfect. Thank you for sharing this. It made me purchase a 5D :-). I own a 5D Mark II.
I hope you love yours as much as I love mine. Congrats on the purchase.
What made me purchase the 5D Mark II 12 years ago were the 5D Classic photos that I saw on Flickr. Back at that time I had the impression that those from 5D classic were somewhat special but I thought it was only my impression. Then I decided to purchase the 5D MII because of the video capabilities.
Thanks for making this video! I agreed with a lot of things. 2 years ago I bought a new Sony a6600 with a zoom lens. I didn't yet have any experience at all with photography. Autofocus and features were cool and all, but the photos looked really dull, same for the video. I shot a music video with it and didn't achieve the look I was going for, even with vintage lenses (that helped though). I then looked into higher quality video cameras at a budget and discovered the Magic Lantern software running on old cheap DSLRs which enabled raw video. That's how I bought a Canon 7D for 100 bucks. I shot Raw video with it and it was absolutely fantastic, couldn't believe it. And it was only barely 1080p. A little later I flipped the switch to photo mode and discovered it was great fun too, and the photos just had a special look to them. I just left my Sony in the draw at that point. A little later I picked up a 5D mark II and again, I loved the photos even more. I looked into the 5D classic but couldn't justify paying for another full frame Canon, just until I saw a beat up 5D Classic in a market going for 50 bucks with batteries and charger. It was scratched up but fully functional, so I got it. I'm now testing it and found myself liking the photos sometimes more than my 5D II in terms of colors. The mark II has a bit more of a purply brown tint, that's sometimes nice but not always. I also found that I preferred the Classics' ergonomics and experience using the camera. It's truly satisfying to use as you said in your video. Definitely a keeper. I think it's a shame that hobbyists think they need the latest and greatest very expensive cameras when they clearly don't. I myself used to bash on DSLRs thinking they were just unnecessarily big clunky bricks that didn't stand a chance against the new mirrorless stuff. But I had to actually use DSLRs and see the results for myself to change my mind. So to whoever started off on a mirrorless I'd recommend trying a DSLR to compare the experience and results
Superb review !
i used 85/1.2 on 5D, the color is so joyful, full of joy.
I feel EXACTLY the same about 50mm :) My favourite is either 35mm (max 40mm) or 85-105mm. Thanks for the video!
I have two 24-105 and use them exclusively for people, events, weddings. Always have two of the same for backups.
I did see your last review...just started this one and I think your on board now lol, maybe an update for the d3s?
Can relate. I was also using 50mm 1.8 with my canon 5d classic, gave nice pictures, but had to edit them a lot. When i got 24-70mm f4 L , the pictures came out so beautiful and vibrant, i didn't want to believe that a zoom lens could be so much better then a prime lens, i shrugged it off as a some kind of new toy bias.
I have a friend that is an international award winning photographer and he has used Canon for close to two decades. When I told him I bouhgt a Canon 5D Classic and a MKII he told me "whatever you do avoid all the Canon 50mm lenses, they are kinda crap" These were his exact words.
@@lucasliaskoshow about the sigma art 50mm ?! Mine focuses flawlessly with the classic
@@kevrosas1 Sorry, just saw this comment. I haven't used that one, Sigma produces great lenses. My friend was mostly referring to native Canon glass. On another note, the 70-200 USM II L produces amazing photos with the 5DC. Same with the 16-35 F4. I need to get an EF to M42 adapter to adapt all my old M42 glass. On my Sony cameras - now only have tha Sony A9 when it comes to FF bodies - the Sony e-mount to M42 adapter works really well. Hope it's the same case with my Canon bodies (5DC, 5DII and 1DM4)
@@lucasliaskos M42 to EF works great! Although with FF like my 5DII some lenses can touch the mirror around infinity focus. Also since it's screw mount, the lens usually shows the aperture settings upside down, which is a little cumbersome. That's why if you can, I'd recommend going for the Nikon F-mount lenses. With the adapter they always show the settings upright, and none of mine ever touch the mirror! For me it's the easiest mount to adapt. Plus I love the old amazing quality pre-ai Nikkor lenses. Only downside is that the prices have gone up a little on the Nikkors so you have to look around a bit more
@@timotheemohr2805 Thanks for the tip. I'll go for the old Nikkor lenses then. Any ones to recommend? Mostly for portrait and street photography.
Hey Skyler - I really enjoyed your video on the 5D and all your insights from your considerable experience of digital photography over the years. Like you I also don't like the time consuming editing and so am interesting in understanding what your typical post workflow would be processing images from the 5D mk1. I love the idea of efficiently processing all you images in an hour and being ready for print. I find it takes me a lot more than an hour to be done so I would love to see your approach to what can be a tedious task.
You know, I think I’ll make a video on that!
I've just recently bought a 5d and looking forward to taking it out. I watched one video about the 5d and the guy was using a couple of takumar lenses on it and said the results were incredible. I think I'll try to find one of these lenses and the adapter in the future and see for myself. His photos on the video did look great. Just thought I would pass that on. Cheers.
I’ve got a few Takumar lenses. My favorite is the 35mm f3.5 (which I think I mentioned).
You are right about the iso with this 5D, I did noticed the 5D was using lower iso when I got it. I was kinda confused at first having to use the lower iso. And fuji having inflated iso too.
I really love your reviews. I see you know of photography.
If you want, you could make a video about printing system. Thanks
Thanks, probably the best 5D Classic video I have seen on CZcams.
Personally, I used to have one, but I left it for a 5D-MK2 when my 5D mirror dropped out mid-wedding, after that, I felt I could never trust it again..... .but don't get me wrong, I loved it as long as I used it.
Was that with or without the mirror reinforcement being added? I’m curious to hear about it since I’ve always heard that the mirror can drop out, which is why the reinforcement was offered, but I’ve never actually heard of a mirror actually coming out. The worst I’ve heard from those I’ve spoken to is that the mirror works come loose on one side.
@@SkylerKing I bought my second-hand from MBP in the UK and I don't actually know the history of the body.
Since it was still in warranty I never questioned which batch (I heard it is a certain factory batch that is affected).
All i recall is that it was a low shutter count, but I can not remember the figure.
I have heard some using superglue to stick it back on without having problems. But, in my case, I had a warranty, so I returned it.
@SkylerKing I bought my first 5D a few months ago from my local camera store, and the mirror fell right off within a week. I took it back and it was repaired under warranty, but then had other issues, so I exchanged it for a 40D plus lens. I have since also bought a 5D ii as I don't feel like I can trust the 5D. Maybe I'll give it another shot some day, but make sure I buy one with the mirror reinforcement.
I brought 5dc to Japan trip with me, climbing up mountain ,.trekking in snow..and 5d still works just fine..I'm not sure my mirrorless would survive though haha
I'm waiting to collect my Canon 5D soon, and I can agree with you on changing the standard lens I shot a Canon 20D with one and I tried an 80-200 and ok it wasn't a hyper new one but it looks great on my 4k screen and it was 8MP. A photo taken with a 5MP Sony Bridge or a Nikon D50 6MP camera photo from 2005 looks fabulous today....
4K screen is a resolution of 8.29MP
Many videos on the 5dc, but yours was the only one I saw that mentioned about lens selection. I had a similar experience. Pictures produced from the 50mm 1.8 stm were nothing to write home about on the 5Dc, but use some premium lenses and it will reward you.
I had the same issue with the Nifty fifty (with the 20D - which is essentially the APS-C 5D), so many of the shots ended up out of focus. I have the impression that actually only one in a hundred was really in focus, and most shots were just kind-of-in-focus but just a little off. Add to that the slow focusing speed of that lens, was quite a disappointment to use. I always felt that the potential was there, but I was at the mercy of Lady Luck. Was so annoying, and was the main reason why I stopped with photography for a decade... :(
I am now using all manual lenses, and the joy came back... except when trying to shoot animals and people, where the manual focus is not fast enough to get the shots...
Hi, Skyler, thank's for your thoughtful review of the original 5D. I have owned the 5D since 2005, and mine still works perfectly and is well past shutter life expectancy. I think it's a great camera for someone on a budget who wants a simple camera that produces beautiful images. I currently own about 16 DSLRs and 3 Mirroreless bodies, many old, some somewhat current, but I often find myself pining for that 5D aesthetic. There are times I pick it up in place of my 5D4 or R6.
I have no doubt that I will buy a new camera at some point. It's only a matter of time. But, I haven't purchased a "new" camera in about 5 years. I guess I got tired of spending so much on new bodies, only to find myself using my older cameras more often (and enjoying them more).
I understand the issue of buying a lot of gear than returning to using older gear all too well. @@SkylerKing
Picked up a 5D a couple of weeks ago. Started with a M42 Sears 50mm f2. Really nice results except i could only focus to 7 ft without the reae element hitting the nirror. Curious what brand adapter you use from M42 to EF. Then moved to the 50mm f1.8 stm. Very nice colors with fast autofocus. Waiting for my 40mm pankake to arrive. My 5d onky accepts 4gb CF cards. Is there a safe way to update the firmware. Any advice would be appreciated
I’ve never tried to update the firmware on a 5d classic. I suspect the hardest part would be finding a copy of the most recent update. With the adapter, it doesn’t really make a difference. All of the adapters should place the lens at exactly the same distance from the sensor, since that distance is what determines whether or not you can achieve proper focus from near to infinite. Certain lenses, though, will cause the mirror to hit the rear element at close focus due to the design of the lens (which isn’t an issue when using an old m42 camera that the lens was designed for. I suspect it’s due to modern DSLRs having a larger mirror which covers more of the frame (typically between 95% and 100% of the frame). Many of the old SLRs didn’t offer that much coverage and those had smaller mirrors. Your 4gb limit on the CF card might be due to older firmware but I can’t say for 100% sure that’s what it is (I would need to double check the specs on the old firmware). With mine, I can use 8gb, 16gb, 32gb, etc. I’ve never tried to see how high it can go.
I mainly use it with the 24-85 usm, the ugly silver version. There’s a Ken Rockwell review on it, It’s very lightweight. I’ve got the 45mm Di VC USD Tamron also, but too heavy and yes too close to 50mm.
I think that your photos look like Kodak 100 ISO film. Kodak was always my preference, especially for portraits because of it being a warm film. Skin tones were always pleasing and I never worried about the blues and greens. I am a Canon fan and Olympus. I always got comments on my Kodak and Olympus portraits and landscapes. Like the review.
I like everything you said in that comment. Kodak 100, Canon, Olympus, you’re speaking my language 😉
I prefer use only lenses Canon for my 5 D.Good luck!Nice video.Thanks!
Just a few days after my first comment I also committed to buying a Canon 5D classic after messing around with a 500D for quite some time and having a 5D on my want list since I was first aware of it's existence.
I found one in great condition with all the add ons I could possibly want, for quite a great price.
It's really stunning how well it is built, it's exactly like everyone is claiming (maybe even better).
The output this camera gives is truly something special, but that's something 5Dc owners already know, and even though I've heard it time and time again I certainly underestimated it.
I'm so glad that I've finally committed to buying one because I instantly fell in love with it and will never get rid of it, doesn't matter what offers I get.
Congratulations on the 5D Classic. Welcome to the club 😉
Long time no see!!!!
It’s been awhile!
You mentioned about a different process you use for prints? Is it similar to dye transfer? Do you know any labs that may offer that service you are referring to?
I use dye sublimation
I just bougtrh a 5D MK2...t has a little over 10 000 exp and it's the same feeling. It feels and looks brand new. I have had a lot of other cameras too, I currently have the 5D MK2, a 6D, a 70D and an old EOS M. I have used the 5D MK3-4 and Nikon D850..and several others. But I LOVE the early 5D's. :) Oh...edit, I forgot the 7D!! That is one camera I really regret selling! :)
Interesting. I shot a 5D classic for weddings for quite a few years always in RAW. I have never considered a RAW file a usable file without editing. JPG's on the other hand are what I would consider right out of camera? Never shot jpg's though. Is all the hype of colour for the 5D regardless of file type? Lens wise I loved the 17-40 f/4, the 50 f/1.4, 85 /f1.8 and 70-200 f/4 IS
I guess it depends on the end goal for the photo. There are times when I know that the end goal is going to require a fair bit of editing, so I will choose something else (like the 6D). The process with the 5d (most often) is that I import the raw files into Lightroom, I immediately delete any that I don't want to keep, then I will choose whichever ones might be improved by tweaking (exposure adjustments, usually). Then I export all of the final photos (most of which were not edited at all) as high quality jpegs which are then used for printing, sharing, etc.
Agree with everything but denouncing the 50mm 1.8! Last week I shot few indoor portraits with it on 5DII. Used aperture 2.8 in ambient light to photograph a famous personality. Images came out lovely that needed very little post-processing.
Own a 35mm f/2 IS also. This gem is outstanding.
I’ve owned a few and never had much luck with them. I also don’t like the 50mm focal length, which is a big part of it. I’m happy to hear that you are getting good results with it, though
A 50mm f1.8 STM fan here: it’s even good at f2.0 on my 5D3 & 5D2. I’m about to buy a Classic to see what all the fuss is about. 🤓
@@Cotictimmy 50 mm 1.8 STM on 5D Mark II is great - produces superb images, but… on 5DC gives me terrible photos, idk what's going on, I am very disappointed with the results. Maybe it's because new glasses are made for new sensors (or new sensors for new glasses?) and what should give the best results on older cameras are lenses from years of their production
try EF 40mm 2.8 STM pancake lens, that one is a gem, cheap but very good
Funny you say that, I was just looking at one yesterday and am probably going to buy it. I’ve heard great things
I would put some sort of tape to seal the ports to stop dirt and water getting in the ports.
A few things to say here. It says something that having handled many,and good at that,cameras,you are today turning over and over to the Canon 5D1. There's a few factors why this is so as you explained. Simplicity of use via buttons and menus,physical handling characteristics,and then of course the ultimate thing,image quality. I just bought a Ricoh GR3X, it has certain things immediately I don't like.However,I also see immediate things I like.For the things I like...in spite of what I don't like...this camera has a future with me. It doesn't do everything I want,but I'm keeping it for what it does that I do want. I see and understand things from research that the Canon 5D1 is a camera I finally want. I am purchasing a 5D1 with a 24-70 F2.8 lens. This focal range is a great start for me with the 5D1. I have shot 35 mm fixed focal length for 8 years. That was a great teacher,I love that focal length,and I will say that shooting one focal length strictly for a long time gives you an amazing reference when considering the option of other focal lengths. You have something incredibly burned into you that enables you to intuitively understand whether a wider or more narrow focal length may or may not suit you. I've used a 40,a 45, a 50, on various cameras,as well as a 10x zoom from 38-380 mm on an ok Olympus camera from 2006. I chose a 24-70 focal range for my upcoming 5D1 purchase because I know I want to be able to try a wider length than 35 mm,and also a narrower length than 35mm. 24-70 is plenty of change going from exclusively using 35 mm length for so many years. Now to your point about not just not chimping on your photos,but not even downloading to view your photos for up to 6 months....well this a very interesting comment. I have found a law or a rule that exists for me after having shot images. I need separation in time from the experience of having shot the photos,I need 3-6 months ideally. I need objectivity and detatchment from them because my ability to view them most objectively isn't properly present until I have a decent amount of separation timewise from the experience of shooting them. My best and most objective ability to judge them doesn't seem to show up until a sufficient amount of time separation has taken place. This a law or rule in the reality of my shooting experience. I think you being able to let photos sit unviewed for up to 6 months is a fantastic approach. Finally, it's interesting that the 50mm focal length you had back in 2020 threw you a curve to mar the true nature of the 5D1 at that time. You were experienced with cameras yet got blinded somewhat by something you were not really aware of at the time. I think not only do we have to understand a camera's characteristics when assessing whether it's for us,but also we need to understand ourselves well too. These are two different things,but when it comes to photography these two things of necessity have to come together if we want the best experience with our camera and shooting.That takes time and experience, with the latter-understanding ourselves well-especially. I have already decided that not only am I buying one 5D1, but two. I believe it is a camera I will greatly like. Everything I understand from researching it,along with my photography experience,tells me this model will satisfy a need. Sure it's not going to be the 'only thing' from now on, but it will I believe definitely satisfy an aspect of the creative urge. Thanks for the interesting presentation and giving us your point of view
This is a great comment. I found myself nodding along in agreement as I read it. Repeatedly, actually. From your decision to use 35mm only, for an extended time (which I also did) to your comment about needing separation from a photo in order to be really objective about it (which I completely agree with), or how we need to learn and understand ourselves in order to fully understand the relationship we have to the gear that we use. I really hope you enjoy your 5D. I would genuinely be interested in hearing an update, some time down the line, on your experiences with it.
Hey Skyler, another nice Video about 5D classic. I had seen your last video too. Regarding the 50mm not being ur fvrt focal length .. Its a bit weird but using a 50mm prime lens I used to think the same about that focal length but after using Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 for a year, I was surprised after finding out that more thn 80% of my pictures were taken around 50mm and most of my fvrt images too were around the same focal length. I think using a zoom lens for sometime gives u a good idea of your most used focal lengths.
gud detailed video.
When I use a zoom, such as the 24-105mm, I find myself most often at either 35mm or all the way out at 105mm. If not those, then it might be closer to the 80-90mm area and at 24mm. Which makes sense, as I have discovered over the years that a 35mm prime is my favorite. If not using 35mm, then it's either because I want to be wider, in which case 24mm (or even wider) is preferred. Or, if I want something longer than 35mm, an 85mm or 90mm prime is my favorite.
Everything you say in your videos is so true.
With my canon 5DII I need use way higher ISO than with the 5d i.
They really lie with the issue thing, 1600 in 5dii is like 800 is 5d i
I love the 5D. Image quality in subsequent cameras hasn't gotten any better, in fact the 5D has a timeless look and color science that blows away pretty much everything else in the digital photography space. What you do get with newer gear are more features that might make your work flow a bit more convenient (so, what?), higher iso (which really is irrelevant), more megapixels (again, irrelevant), and video capabilities. For pure photography, there really isn't anything in the same league as the 5D still, nearly twenty years after it was released. I highly recommend to anyone that has a 5D to pick up another one (two or three is even better!) and put it away in storage just in case something malfunctions on the one you have. The value for the price is unbeatable.
And the next person could say: "timeless look" - irrelevant, "color science" - irrelevant, the iPhone blows it away 😊.
Honestly, none of the things you mentioned are irrelevant. Everything matters. And someone with a 6mp (or film) camera could say that your 13mp 5D is overkill and irrelevant as well. But, objectively, that would be just someone's pretentious and irrelevant opinion. For me personally, 12-13mp is way too low-res. I mean, even something like the modern Sony A7SIII (12mp $3500) is close to useless for stills, from my perspective. I enjoy ultra-high-def imagery, large viewing format (not billboards).
And the weirdest thing is that the sensor resolution of today's cameras is meant for video in the first place. The last true enthusiast Canon stills camera was the 5Ds/5DsR. Unfortunately, all we get after that are video hybrids. Do people really need more megapixels for videos then stills now? This is really weird. And I hear this all the time, like "12mp is plenty for stills, while 4K needs to be down-sampled from 20-24mp to look better". Why don't stills deserve to look better? People really should get larger UHD monitors first, 40"+.
@@0ecka Thanks for sharing your perspective, I appreciate that you've fallen for marketing baloney. If you can't get the results you want out of a 5D that speaks to your ability with a camera, there's no magic gear that's going to fix that for you. You can go to many websites that highlight the sort of "hi-res" fake looking images you bluster about, if that's your goal, enjoy what you do, and be sure to showcase those images somewhere. Thanks again, and have a great day!
@@philrmcknight It's not "marketing baloney". 13mp is not enough for me personally. I've been shooting with 20(ish) megapixel cameras for 15 years and it was OK. But now I'm ready for more. And I'm sorry if that sounds offensive to you. Cameras are just tools. The 5D is a nice tool, but there are better tools now. I'm glad that you've found your dream camera and I hope that my dream camera is somewhere around the corner.
"the sort of "hi-res" fake looking images you bluster about" - You are wrong about that. And I'm not the one who is bragging about his magical camera "that blows away pretty much everything else in the digital photography space". Why so angry? Can't we share opinions in a civilized way?
@@0ecka I don't know what you're doing personally, but whatever is the right tool for you is the right tool for you. If you took my initial post as somehow suggesting that YOU personally should only shoot with a 5D, then you completely misinterpreted what I'm saying, I stand by everything I've said, and if you feel that it doesn't apply to you, that's fine. You're the one that decided to rebut MY opinion with your snarky reply. How much does the current IPhone cost? I picked up my 5D for $120, and the images are as good or better than anything 20 years newer. For ANYONE interested in photography and not spending an arm and a leg to get a fantastic camera, I would absolutely recommend a 5D and for anyone that's already into photography I would suggest considering a 5D as a second camera, spend a little time shooting one and you might come to the same conclusion. If you're satisfied with what you're shooting, that's great, too, but the fact that you're still chasing pixels suggests that you're still reaching, and after fifteen years of shooting, that really shouldn't be the case. I suppose you think high ISO is bad form, as well. I just lol at that sort of thinking. Shoot what you got and don't worry about it.
@@philrmcknight I don't care about iPhones. I'm just saying that there are people preaching that the iPhone camera is plenty enough for everything and everyone who thinks differently must be a lousy photographer. See, I'm just putting a mirror towards your "snarky reply". It is those who can't get a better picture out of a better camera the lousy photographers. The iPhone comes with a free camera 😁
"5D for $120, and the images are as good or better than anything 20 years newer" - Not true. Even my old 6D looks better and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. 5D is a nice piece for anyone's camera collection. But, as a working tool it's not even close to top 5. It is soon to be obsolete.
I'm not chasing pixels. There are many other ways to make a better camera. Like 16-bit color depth for example, or at least not putting the blurry AA filter in front of the sensor, or lower base ISOs. I'm quite happy with my R5, for now. Not chasing anything, only trying to have a reasonable conversation.
"I suppose you think high ISO is bad form, as well. I just lol at that sort of thinking." - Please stop pretending like you know what I'm thinking. I can tell you what I think about things, if you just ask. High ISO is a compromise for situations when I can't do without it. But I don't enjoy shooting at high ISOs. It's not my kind of fetish. Base ISO is what I use most of the time. Because good lighting makes good pictures. And I don't judge cameras by their high ISO performance. It's the low ISO that I care about.
I had one and I loved it, but one thing I absolutely hated was the weak AF. Mind you, I had a 1D Mk1 & Mk2 before this, so I was used to lightning speed as far as AF was concerned. I was a bit disapointed because I felt that Canon sort of castrated the camera by fitting a sub-par AF system on it, because they didn't want the 5D to hurt their 1Ds sales.
I was doing a lot of concert photography and I often had trouble getting a good/fast focus lock. But for the rest, the camera is solid. It has everything you need to take great photos. Just get the lens you need/want for your photography and you're solid. Maybe the ISO performance is a bit behind if you look at other cameras in 2024, but if you can work with it, it's ok. I used the 1D Mk1 for concerts and if you know that the highest 'usable' ISO on that camera is 400, you'll know enough. You can imagine I'm not really fuzzy about iso noise 😂
At the moment I'm looking to buy a 1Dx or 1Dx Mk2. I think the Mk1 is more than enough for me, but if I can find a decent Mk2 for the right price...
Strange, that hasn't been my experience. I can imagine the 1D & 1Dii have better AF, but I have never felt like I couldn't get mine to lock on. Then again, I don't do the same type of photography you do. Same with ISO, though. I have done a few videos about the 5D and have shown images that I am very happy with and looked pretty clean at ISO 1600 and even boosted to ISO 3200. Different preferences, I guess.
@@SkylerKingI was not unhappy with the ISO performance. It's just that if you look at the more modern camera's, you'll see what you can do at ridiculous ISO values like 12800, with ueable photos. But that was not my problem with the 5D. The AF system is quite basic; Canon really wanted the camera to be less potent in that repect.
Maybe I was spoiled with the 1D, but I'm not alone in my comments on the AF system. At the same time, that doesn't mean anything if you're happy with the camera. When it works for you, it's fine.
All cameras have some sort of processing baked in their raws. I have a 1ds mk2 (2004, so before 5d classic, but 16 megapixels), and i also noticed it's sharper than 6d. But i also noticed a bit of sharpened look, mostly on adult skin with some pitted scars, which leads me to believe it's not bigger pixels with weak AA that leads to more sharpness, but that it's digitally sharpened. Photons to photos doesn't say it's sharpened, so i take this site with a grain of salt. I also noticed noise reduction kicking in at ISO 500, which looks smoother than 400, while photons to photos says there is no sharpening nor noise reduction at any iso. One way for to figure out whether baking is taking place from the Photons to photos is to look at the dynamic range graph, and spot the iso peaks. So for 5d (or 1ds mk2), those peaks are at iso 100, 200, 400 and 800. So on those cameras, you'd have more dynamic range at iso 400 than 300. That's because the camera actually applies more gain to the sensor at 400, while if you shoot at 300, the camera actually applies the gain of 200 and then digitally brightens the exposure to 400, with some noise reduction.
Yeah, that is something I have mentioned to others (regarding base ISO values). Just because a camera will go down to ISO 50 or ISO 100 doesn't mean that is its true base ISO. For example, with many Canon cameras (the 6D included, if I remember correctly) the dynamic range is higher at 160 than it is at 100, because the sensor is actually tuned for a native ISO 160 base. And thus, for best performance, you start at 160, then go to 320, 640, 1280, etc. Whereas other cameras (even older Canons, such as the 5D as you mentioned) have a native ISO of 100, so jumps to 200, 400, 800, etc are going to yield better performance. Of course, many m4/3 cameras have been shown to have a native ISO of 200, which yields better performance at higher ISO as the starting point/base is already higher. As for Photons to Photos, I tend to believe that the information is accurate. I have never seen any evidence of sharpening or noise reduction with my 5D raw files, for example. This may be a case where what you see in your raw file rendering is dependent on which program you are using and what your import settings are.
Been using this more and more lately. Usually paired with the 35 1.4 v1. Curious which profile you’re using when editing? I see a lot using neutral but I’ve been enjoying “standard” a lot lately.
One thing to note, one of the reasons I think this camera is so special is because it was focused on color. The CFA is excellent. Maybe unmatched til the 5dsr. The other and maybe more important thing is that it’s limited dynamic range actually HELPS users by limiting them. How many modern camera photos do you see that are boring as hell because there’s no shadows? Everything is flat. This camera leaves no choice but to shoot and compose much like slide film. Compressed dynamic range. Meter the highlights. That’s what made Kodachrome and other E6 special. It has just the right contrast.
I most often shoot with "standard" but tried the neutral profile, for awhile, since many people seem to like it so much. I did end up switching back to Standard, though.
I agree that limitations typically yield better results (not just with this camera, but with anything). Having to overcome some type of limitation usually sparks our creativity, it seems.
Which 50mm 1.8 are you referring to? There are three Canon have made
I don’t like 50mm lenses at all. The focal length isn’t for me. As for the specific 50mm f1.8, I’m not sure. I think it was the version 2 but can’t confirm.
@@SkylerKingsure. The second one is very loud and noisy and naff. The latest STM one is wonderful for colours but as you said, it’s the focal length you hate! Thanks. Great video enjoyed listening.
I love my 5d classic so much, I am always afraid that eventually it will break or stop working and I dont know what to do lol
Buy a few backups while they’re cheap 😬
@@SkylerKing ended up getting a canon 1ds, the first canon full frame camera. Absolutely recommended! you gotta try it
I have wanted to try that camera for so long...
One curiosity, why do you live in Taiwan?
Despite all its shortcomings; I love this camera. Following various tests and trials; EF 35mm f/2 IS has become my goto lens with it. It produces a bit of everything. Being a hobbyist, I do landscape and street photography with it. 35mm suits it best.
Thank you for the video.
I haven't owned the 35mm f2, but I really like the 40mm f2.8 (for the purpose of being small and compact) while my primary lens is the 35mm f1.4
The Taiwan thing is a very long story. A gross oversimplification is that I met my wife in the US. She is Taiwanese. She was living in the US when I met her, we ended up getting married and having our first son. In 2013, we decided to visit Taiwan (since it is her home) and we were so happy here that we decided to extend our visit to the entire summer. At the end of the summer, we decided to just stay for the rest of the year (through CNY). After new years, we decided to just make it a full year and stay until the summer. Eventually we just decided to stay in Taiwan. I have been to a lot of different countries (for travel, for work, etc) and Taiwan is my favorite place in the world. I don't even know where to begin with everything that I love about Taiwan, and I likely could write an entire book on it. It is our forever home.
@@SkylerKing Thank you for the explanation. Loved it.
Perhaps I can state the same about Nepal. In short I can say; perhaps I love that country more than anything else in the world except my son. I’m a Bangladeshi and visit Nepal quite often whenever there’s an opportunity. That Himalayan country is entirely hilly and that’s what won my heart. The mind-blowing peaks, passes and valleys, beautiful rivers flowing through those passages, lush green everywhere, very little pollution, lovely wildlife - what not! The local people are excellent as well. I can also write a thick book on that country. Had I been there during my youth; I would certainly live there for the rest of my life by marrying a warm-hearted Nepali lady. I have visited few other countries but never ever found a heavenly beauty like Nepal. Everything else is available in other places but the great Himalayas has most of its mind-soothing features in Nepal. That treasure is absent elsewhere.
My high school German teacher actually moved to Nepal and married a Nepalis woman. He says amazing things about that place, the culture, the people, etc. It seems like a wonderful place.
I nourish deep respect for Nikon cameras and lenses as well. I tried few of those by borrowing from fellow photographers and found those excellent. Fuji and Olympus might be good cameras however, not many friends are available around to comment on those.
Do not think Sony is a good player in this field. In fact, they spoiled the sanctity of this world. They are not originally camera makers. But watching the market trend, they thought since we make sensors for so many brands, why not have a piece of the cake! And they polluted it with bodies incorporating highrez sensors which were heavily promoted by few fans and the rest were bound to follow. IMO, 12-20 mp is good enough for FF bodies to produce clean images with little noise or no noise. That's why R5 doesn't appeal to me rather R6 perhaps produces better IQ!
Not interested to go mirrorless as I'm convinced it's not indispensable. Moreover, the EVF lag is an annoying hurdle for speed photography. Views on EVF or rear LCD will never be able to equal the speed of light/OVF thus, It's never in my consideration. But, that's me.
Thank you buddy for providing us with your deep thoughts on cameras.
I’ve owned a few Sony cameras. Never again. While they are capable of taking good photos in a technical sense, the photos lack any real personality or unique characteristics that draw you in (SOOC, anyway. People can do just about anything in post processing if they are determined enough). The cameras are also very low quality. I’ve owned four Sony cameras. Three of which were mirrorless. The three mirrorless cameras all had issues. The A7 just geeked out and erased everything on my card without my prompting it to do so. The RX100 just completely stopped working. The old NEX-5 was just full of random bugs and glitches. I’ll never another Sony, ever again.
Try Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4. It is a manual lens, you will love it. Or even better, because you are a 35mm guy, try Zeiss Diatagon 35mm f/2
I don’t like the 50mm focal length, regardless of image quality. I’ve got a few vintage 50mm lenses that I use on crop sensor cameras, but never on my full frame stuff. If I come across a good deal on the Distagon 35mm f2, I’ll definitely try it.
@@SkylerKing you will enjoy it for sure
Ahhh, I will have to break out the Distagon 35f2 again and put it on the 5dc. Thanks for the reminder!
Hello, here is little hint for better use of your fedhead.
Dont put the fedhead to the mic Direct, insted put it on the Audio interface /recorder /Mixer
You would increase the bad cable Signal the way you do it, now.
Regards
That doesn’t makes any sense. Putting the Fethead between the mic and the cable means that only the mic signal is amplified, then sent through the cable. Any cable noise remains minimal. Putting the Fethead between the cable and the audio interface means that both the mic signal and the cable noise are both amplified before being sent into the interface.
@@SkylerKing just saying. You could go in Research for that again :)
@@card-joker5301 I have researched it all, extensively. This don’t really require research, though, as it is pretty common (entry level) knowledge that you want to modify signals at the earliest point in the chain that’s possible. The first point in the chain is the mic.
Please share your thoughts on the 6d also.
I plan on making a video about the 6d. It’s a camera that I really like.
The 50mm is the lens close to our vision.
That’s what some say. Others say that 35mm is closest to human vision. It’s been debated for over 100 years.
so,look these photo you take in taiwan ?
Yes, I live in Taiwan.
@@SkylerKing nice place，I from kaoshiung
我住在台中
The 40 is good on it
I plan on grabbing the 40mm f2.8, soon. I’ve heard nothing but good things.
Oddly, I did not find this video through a random search, as you thought. The Google al-gore-rythm actually picked it up. Which means that AI functions better than former vice presidents in terms of selecting appropriate data for consideration and analysis by interested parties, hence the continuing ice in the North polar regions, despite bad movies that upset little Greta. Therefore, basing it all on my knowledge of movies, such as Sleeper, and books such as 1984, and the history of socialism such as with Stalin and Adolf H, I can say, that we have not yet cloned the nose of our dear leader. So, hope springs eternal.
D5 sux
I wouldn't know. Never tried it.