Karahantepe: Findings at Ancient Village Challenges Mainstream History
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Scientific consensus established that farming and animal husbandry were the reasons why prehistoric people settled down. But now, a group of researchers say excavations in Turkey may suggest otherwise.
Necmi Karul, Site Director at Karahan Tepe 00:46
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So... what if the natural abundance of wheat in the area back then was the primary reason why people accepted the sedentary life? In that sense, the wheat itself "taught" our predecessors to take care of it, and eventually they learnt the way to spread the naturally growing wheat into other lands. It wouldn't be the first such occurence: I always say, when someone asks how was it possible that people learnt music and scales, that it's the caves and laws of physics that taught us music. Because with the long echo in caves, one person has a chance to harmonize with himself; but for harmonizing, one has to figure out the resonating frequencies. And these are ruled by the laws of physics. That's why the scales and resonating intervals are similar all over the world.
By the way, I found the answers of Mr. Necmi Karul, the Director of Karahan Tepe site, rather incomprehensible as he didn't seem to be answering to reporter's questions, but rather held his own unrelated monologue.
I don't think "taught" is the right word or term for what you mean.
A better interpretation might be that factors such as plant abundance or cave echoes made great examples by contrast to the surrounding environment, allowing for the natural human ability to observe natural phenomena and deduce patterns from them.
That ability to observe, find patterns and turn the information derived from those patterns into useful tools is what truly elevated us from the animals around us in our ability to adapt to any new environment we spread to.
In the case of wheat they probably started using it as a gathered food supply and in time observed the pattern of its soread across so much land - from there it was just question of determining that the plants grow from seeds to start cultivating them purposefully for a steady food supply.
@@mnomadvfx you really learnt how to say the same in many words: there is one side teaching, and the other learning. And of course it is by recognizing patterns.
But your last sentence is a typical mistake we are all constantly making: we are underestimating the ancient cultures all the time. Don't you think they knew very well what seeds are making which plants? The primitive nations have very advanced natural medicine - and they were able to learn it somehow. Even a tiger knows what plants are doing him right when it has an upset stomach.
I think the crucial point was rather realizing that there is an easy abundance of crops for entire year, but you cannot carry it with you all the time. You have to have a place safe from mice, you need a cooperation with animals like owls and cats to keep them under control. And these won't travel with your tribe on your regular nomadic trips, that's another factor. Also, I don't know why the scientists tend to see things in such a black and white contrasts, i.e. they see people either fully nomadic or fully sedentary. But even in the Bible we can see that Jacob was working in the field, while his brother Esau preferred hunting. And at the same time, they both shared one house. I mean, even sedentary people still kept hunting, albeit practised it less frequently.
Could this site have been a place for numerous clans, tribes, or cultures to meet and trade goods and services? Prepared foods, seeds, roots, tools, weapons, jewelry, etc ? The fact that only 1% of the place has yet been excavated is mind boggling to me. I'm wondering about all the secrets waiting to be revealed.
have any of the pits or pools been tested for beer residue ?
Are there any residential dwellings? Or is it all megaliths?
They said 'Scientific consensus established that farming and animal husbandry were the reasons why prehistoric people settled down. But now, a group of researchers say excavations in Turkey may suggest otherwise". My questions is what do they mean by 'settled down'? Is 'settled down' in the dictionary?
1) The scientific consensus that farming and animal husbandry were the reasons why prehistoric people settled down has not been true at least since the 1960's, and probably not ever. People need a stable and adequate food supply relative to the local population in order to establish permanently occupied settlements. In some places an adequate food supply could be obtained locally from hunting, fishing, gathering, and trade/gifting for decades, allowing the local population to create "permanent" settlements. One example among many of permanent settlements without agriculture or animal husbandry are the Pacific Coast fishing villages in the NW U.S. Scientists have known about them since the 18th century.
2) The various "tepes" referred to in the video weren't permanently occupied settlements and didn't lead to agriculture. They were religious sites that were probably only occupied for parts of the year or at best were permanently occupied only by a small group of people who had food and other resources brought to them.
3) What's true about the development of permanent settlements, agriculture, etc in Turkey doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the world.
4) There are numerous archaeological sites around the world where excavations have uncovered the transition of the sites from seasonally occupied with no permanent structures or agriculture(or animal husbandry) to permanently occupied with permanent structures, agriculture, and animal husbandry, etc
5) The people creating the video are probably confused about the difference between "settling down" and the development of cities(not proto-cities.)
Okay we need to chill out and wait for more evidence instead of archeologists claiming every site they find that’s older than the last is the definite first or the definite oldest, how about “The First Village - that we know of”. In the last 30 years the title of oldest/first has changed hands like 3 times lmao.
Jeezuz, what an unprofessional site!
People walking all over the site willy nilly!
That site won't last, just sayin.
It's all about time lines the minute anyone questions this you would need to rewrite history we have all been brainwashed from childhood into believing our history from schooling media Church and government people have the Internet now them in charge are not liking it harder to con the masses now