Donald Davidson and John McDowell in Conversation

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Another entry from the Donald Davidson in Conversation series, this time speaking with his long-term interlocutor John McDowell.
    Thank you to Philosophy International and Richard Fara, who are responsible for this clip. None of this material belongs to me.

Komentáře • 59

  • @galek75
    @galek75 Před 5 lety +39

    This is the most animated I've seen McDowell lol

  • @Fafner888
    @Fafner888 Před 3 lety +19

    Alternative title: McDowell lectures do Davidson on how to be Davidson.

  • @MontyCantsin5
    @MontyCantsin5 Před 4 lety +4

    The sound of light aircraft intermittently punctuating the discussion is rather soothing.

  • @Phi792
    @Phi792 Před měsícem

    This discussion very much feels like a meet-up between a fantasy-book author and an avid fan, where the fan has read and discussed the literature so much that they start to try to correct the author on their world-building 😂 I like McDowell's work a lot and his passion for Davidson's work really showed here.

  • @wrstrn
    @wrstrn Před 5 lety +6

    Thank you so much for uploading these!!

  • @danielsacilotto6235
    @danielsacilotto6235 Před 4 lety +29

    It's hilarious that analytic philosophy takes pride in emphasizing clarity when so many of its major proponents are about as convoluted and esoteric as almighty Hell: McDowell, Sellars, Dummett, Kripke, Lewis...

    • @adamsimon8220
      @adamsimon8220 Před 4 lety +7

      Lewis and Kripke? Really? Some of the ideas are difficult, but they don’t create more through their prose (well, maybe Lewis sometimes). Admittedly, the other authors you list have styles that leave much to be desired in terms of clarity. I’m still partial to Dummett’s rather sinuous writing, myself, however. Probably because every time I read again through an article I find something new that I previously missed or didn’t appreciate.

    • @mycroftholmes7379
      @mycroftholmes7379 Před 3 lety

      Kripke had a great contribution to referring, as well as Ludwig Wittgenstein, the rest of the Philosophy of Language traditionalists from Strawson to Mcdowell are astray....Chomsky had already explained the nature of language

    • @TheMahayanist
      @TheMahayanist Před rokem

      Kripke, Lewis are a sad mark on contemporary philosophy.

    • @TheMahayanist
      @TheMahayanist Před rokem +5

      @@mycroftholmes7379 Ha! Chomsky obfuscates the nature of language, didn't explain anything.

    • @SellarsJones
      @SellarsJones Před 9 měsíci +1

      Perhaps you just don’t have what it takes to read them. Stick to pop philosophy i.e. Dawkins, WLC, Kastrup, etc.

  • @quietenergy
    @quietenergy Před rokem +5

    what's the third dude doing? he just wanted to b in the frame?

    • @ernestofeuerhake
      @ernestofeuerhake Před rokem +1

      at times, he seems to be taking notes. that at least. maybe he wanted to be in the frame taking notes.

  • @moshejun
    @moshejun Před 4 lety +8

    It's very curious why professor McDowell wore a stained pants and a pair of weird socks in this video.

    • @findbridge1790
      @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety

      he' an personality disorder jerk off that's why

  • @ReflectiveJourney
    @ReflectiveJourney Před 7 měsíci +1

    Pretty great discussion. Interestingly this also kinda practically proves the Davidson's thesis as this was uninterpretable 2 yrs ago lol

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +14

    McDowell has about as much energy as the typical walking dead.

  • @danielsacilotto6235
    @danielsacilotto6235 Před 3 lety +12

    McDowell is not great at being concise or clear here.

    • @kaffeephilosophy
      @kaffeephilosophy Před rokem +1

      Considering his main influence was Sellars, it’s pretty obvious how unclear his way of speaking (and writing) would be.

  • @anderscallenberg8632
    @anderscallenberg8632 Před rokem +2

    I’m ”shot through with normativity” 😀

  • @TheYoungIdealist
    @TheYoungIdealist Před 7 měsíci

    I really wish McDowell would have let Davidson speak more in this video as opposed to interrupting him every time he speaks. This video is just McDowell stumbling and muttering ...

  • @philosophe5319
    @philosophe5319 Před 5 lety +2

    Are you going to post more of these?

  • @dankragger7122
    @dankragger7122 Před 4 lety +12

    McDowell is too touchy-feely, indulging in interminable metaphor. He never gets round to making a clear statement.

  • @fr.hughmackenzie5900
    @fr.hughmackenzie5900 Před 3 lety +1

    In the disagreement that dominates the 2nd half does McDowell not get very close to affirming the given?

    • @gerhitchman
      @gerhitchman Před 2 lety

      McDowell's position is anything but clear, but he does seem adamant on maintaining that some (unclear) version of consciousness can be affirmed while not giving into the myth of the given. No idea what his position actually is though.

    • @fr.hughmackenzie5900
      @fr.hughmackenzie5900 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gerhitchman Thanks. From my more recent studies it does seem that McDowell affirms that pre-judgement perception has a "minimal" subjective conceptual contribution. So he accepts a significant given component, but it doesn’t have it’s own independent intelligibility.

    • @Philover
      @Philover Před rokem

      ​@@fr.hughmackenzie5900that's a similar account advocated by phenomenologists like Zahavi.

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +2

    abstract level?

  • @brandgardner211
    @brandgardner211 Před 5 lety +7

    although this was evidently before mcdowell went on sedatives, he still swallows the ends of every other sentence or speaks it into his own chest, so I still cant follow him. davidson is no better. SPEAK UP, GUYS.

  • @dubbelkastrull
    @dubbelkastrull Před rokem

    52:56 bookmark

  • @exalted_kitharode
    @exalted_kitharode Před 2 lety

    1:31:39
    1:31:46
    1:31:50

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    which answers" when? the witch burning ones?

  • @Krelianx
    @Krelianx Před rokem

    I find McDowell impossibly unclear and meandering.

  • @danielsacilotto3196
    @danielsacilotto3196 Před 4 měsíci

    Jesus Christ McDowell is insufferably indulgent and unclear.

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +2

    I can't stand to listen to JM. He is so prissy, affected, and -- narcotic. Prof. Undead Zombie.

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    DOES in FACT a semantical theory need a conceptual aparatatus? Davidson's is vacuous. JM's non-existent

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    "linguistic behavior". decades after Chomsky? !!!

    • @dionysianapollomarx
      @dionysianapollomarx Před 3 lety

      There is such a thing as linguistic behavior. Not such a thing as language as mere tool. It's communication, what is called E-language. Not useful for cognitive science especially of language, but useful for social cognition. What's up with these pompous comments? What's your PhD?

    • @findbridge1790
      @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety

      @@dionysianapollomarx Would you say that a pianist playing a recital is exhibiting "musical behavior"? ie the fact that there is "E-language" does not mean that there is "linguistic behavior." And E-language is a poorly defined concept in Chomsky's system. In addition, my comments are not "pompous", they are annoyed, aggressive, perhaps rude. Pompous is the wrong word. tai jien, bub

    • @findbridge1790
      @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety

      @M C Maybe I am, but at least I'm smart.

    • @mycroftholmes7379
      @mycroftholmes7379 Před 3 lety +4

      @@findbridge1790 i do agree with most of the points you have pointed out, but it seems that you are trapped within the frigid cage of narcissism

    • @PettruchioL
      @PettruchioL Před 3 lety

      This is like saying: "body behavior". decades after advanced anatomy?

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    making sense of others HOW? not a bas idea. but vacuous using D's tools. and of course Jm IS a tool [ of MI6} imo

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    "I meant it to be a tendentious way". tricky little moves from this obvious MI6 dweeb, though an intimidated one

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    what does the word "substantive" mean in this discussion? neither of these fools has the SLIGHTEST idea.

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    why all this stuff about "skeptical"? fad

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    what's a reason for what -- totally circular ....vacuous

  • @findbridge1790
    @findbridge1790 Před 3 lety +1

    mostly a waste of time