The Vandal Just Got Silently Nerfed (and Nobody Noticed)
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My thought process: if im feeling confident ill buy vandal and if im whiffing ill buy phantom
I always go through slumps every once in a while and during those slumps I always at one point buy a phantom skin just to go back to being a vandal user when I’m playing good again lmao
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Same
Literally what happen to me today
Same
Sounds like Phantom propaganda
preach
Hahaha😂
Truly it does,but there's many reasons why it's not Phanton propaganda.He gave it all in the video,are you deaf ?
@@erickvareiro3929It's not that deep bro it was a joke
@@erickvareiro3929 bro took it personally
The only reason I, and many people, prefer vandal is that I am more used to vandal recoil than phantom. Even in my worst aim days I can one tap enemies with vandal but happen to spray like a bronze (I am immortal) with phantom.
same
Yeh same
then learn how to spray with phantom no?
@@joeltakinganapfromgolf2894 True but were so used to it we decide to use vandal instead of phantom cuz were better with vandal
Exactly it's all about muscle memory.
gaslighting vandal players is crazy
lowkey i dont see the urge to classify yourself as a vandal or phantom user, ill use either one interchangeably from round to round depending on what i want, and which one ive been doing better on throughout the game, sometimes you got vandal days, sometimes you got phantom days
Yeah same, if I’m holding a longer angle I’m gonna buy the vandal, but buy phantom in other situations
hitting shots = vandal
whiffing = phantom
dinks with phantom = vandal
repeat
Vandal or Phantom? I take Guardian - cheaper qnd can 1 hit aswell
based guardian enjoyer
how about against iso?
@@literallyiron1 and its less forgiving
Same I got to immo with guardian only and I think it’s because it’s so cheap I feel like I can always buy lmao
@@literallyiron1I shit on isos with my guardian but I also play iso and Reyna but still only guardian. I’m immo 3 rn.
It took two whole minutes to get to the so called Vandal nerfs wtf
low attention span
Next time they will have subway surfers at the bottom of the screen for you
Cry about it
More like 3 but i don't get your point
He’s talking about indirect nerfs, I know valorant players don’t go outside so at least catch up on reading inside.
Yeah this is the first act ive defaulted to the phantom and never really knew why this actually makes so much sense
i used to be unable to play valorant for the longest time because my computer simply couldnt handle the game, i could load into matches but the second that we got to the map screen, my game would just freeze and the entire match would happen without me, valorant coming to console has been the biggest joy for me and ive loved playing in the beta and i love playing the game, being a bit new to it i tried out a lot of weapons, but i seemed to gravitate more toward the phantom for the longest time just due to the consistent spread and easy control, but i can still vouch for the vandal as it does one tap to the head and if you want a really heavy hitting consistent gun then its the gun for you, i honestly didnt know about the silent nerf and im glad to have heard about it.
Is your PC the equal to an actual Sega Genesis? My 2080 can handle Tarkov, any PC should be able to handle Valorant. My condolences
Yeah if I'm playing a long angle I'm always taking the Vandal
the amount of times I've been grateful to have picked a phantom and sprayed a neon in her ult is just 👍👍👍👍
like if u have a vandal in front of a neon using her ult and your aim isn't top notch you're basically dead
The phantom is better for closer encounters, but the bullet drops start at like 15m or something like that.
I’m new to the game, I’m by no means an expert but that’s what it seems like to me at least.
Using Guardian really helped me train my vandal. I act like my Vandal is a Guardian and always do burst and one tap like a Guardian
Ok so according to you ISO is 2 shot in vandal but still its 3 shot in phantom. Whats the diff?
I agree with you. But I would still argue that the phantom could be better, I think you rarely get a double headshot with a vandal, with a phantom it happens more regularly. Also the ratio is different. Because yes… it is 1 bullet more in either scenario.
However in one scenario the vandal takes half the shots (1/2) meaning 50% less and in the other scenario it’s 2/3 which is only 33.3% less.
It’s insignificant but that would be the difference…
If you add the lower bullet spread,higher firing rate and over all higher accuracy the odds furthermore increase for the phantom. But tbh it doesn’t matter, play what you like :)
@@meraki145vods true agreed 💯
When I was a noob, I would try to poppins swing all the time.
-I don’t think I understood the difference between swinging really wide, and running straight into enemy fire
Well… if you have good spray control with the vandal, iso’s sheild doesnt do anything. If your crosshair is on his head with good spray control, first two shots will go 1: breaking shield, 2: Dead with second shot.
Yeah no lol I’ve never seen that happen. Best to just use the phantom
@@iidoughnutholes3087 lol just cuz u havent seen it done doesnt mean it cant and wont happen, ive dont it in multiple occasions what do you think double tap firing does
I typically pick either vandal or phantom based on both the map that I’m playing and the agent I’m using. If I’m playing controller or cypher, and the map isn’t breeze, I will always use phantom because the ability to spam through smokes and cages is very powerful. Especially for cypher who has a ton of utility to give info on where people are. Sometimes I’ll pick up phantom as a duelist if I’m spamming a lot
It just depends on the angle you plan to take at the start of the round you want to peek/ hold a long angle? Use vandal, you want to peek/hold a short angle? Use phantom. For mid on ascent you use a vandal, where mid on split you use a phantom. On bind you use vandals in b long or A short and phantom in b short
Iso is only one out of 5 players though, can be damaged with util or just wait with engaging for 12 seconds after you hear him pop his shield. Vandal forces a playstyle that Valorant (CS) players need to learn. The Call of Duty players will pick the phantom but often not get used to mechanics that make the Vandal so good.
The vandal ia good for long range fights and for better wallbanging. The phamtom is good for every other situation, so yeah, i default to phamtom, unless the map is brezze
5:03 I spam through smokes too much, so I run out of ammo in my Phantom a lot.
thats so situational 💀 also you can still basicly kill an iso with bursting and after all iso is one out of 5 people on their team
Here’s every advantage of vandal vs phantom and where it matters:
Bullets: Phantom
First Shot Accuracy: Phantom (almost negligible)
Tapping: Vandal
Speed: Phantom
Damage: Vandal
Long Range: Vandal
Close Range: Phantom
Recoil distance: Phantom
Recoil reset speed: Vandal
Overall it’s 6:5 in phantoms favor, so basically IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YALL PICK. JUST USE IT SITUATIONALLY. This debate is the worst bruh.
If you’re taking close fights like planning on playing around smokes, buy phantom. If you’re planning on taking long duels play vandal. Especially on defense, when you get to pick and choose what angles you want to play. Just use the advantageous weapon, don’t restrict yourself to a weapon
You somehow managed to give me more information from this one comment than I’ve gotten from this guy’s entire channel 😭. Thank you for this, ur a real one 🙏.
no bullet tracers: phantom
so phantom wins
As a Viper/Controller player I pretty much default to the Phantom anyway but sometimes it IS nice to get those oneshot headshots
To save my fellow viewers some time: the vandal did not get nerfed.
We really need more rifles in this game. Perhaps something like the Aug, M4A1 or hell something like the Galil.
heaven: use vandal if playing A or C use phantom in garage or B
ice box: use vandal mostly
ascent : B phantom A vandal mid vandal
lotus: vandal on c and phanom on mostly other sites ( use op its better )
tldr: phantom for iso neon and abilities like deadlock ability
vandal if u want long range gunfights
Phantom - spray
Vandal - burst
Nah I don't really care if it's good or bad,even radiant play vandal continuously even now against iso and neon buffs and stay in radiant topfrag soo... it's just a preference choice at the end .I like the vandals hit feel.
So that's why I started to miss my bullets (I miss those shots before, nothing changed)
Honestly, change Iso’s shield to have wall pen properties. Fixes the issue and makes the op less of a troll by against him.
This is why this game needs recoil patterns (and HDD optimization..., and including Unreals base graphical changes in settings like texture resolution that is originally in the config in the files... etc., there's a bunch of stuff tbh) if the Vandal and the Phantom had perfect accuracy standing still and recoil patterns, you could still use the Vandal if you're skilled enough.
I use vandal by default but in rounds when opposition neon has ult ready, i use phantom and urge my teammates to do the same.
Also, whiff/high ping = phantom but after 1-2 rounds i revert back cuz many a times i have missed 1 tap from phantom on an enemy from behind just cuz they were far away.
personally i'm a phantom fan but the fact that vandal has no damage dropoff over distance is also helpful, cause even from across the map 4 body shots will kill
My rule of thumb:
Defense: Phantom.
Attack: Vandal, but will play Phantom depending on how I'm feeling.
Also, jiggling is a lot easier on Vandal for me.
Since the recent update ive noticed multiple weapons behaving different including bullet spread, damage, accuracy. Think it has had a few stealth tweaks
Gg you one tapped me with that clickbait
I’ve noticed the rise in Phantom users for WEEKS now, even a month I’d say. Many things would happen that my friends & I would question wtf was going on, and if the phantom got a secret buff. This would explain a lot,
I honestly hate iso so much, his shield is just irritating and I can't play vandal cuz of this garbage champ that gets locked every single game
so TECHNICALLY the vandal wasnt nerfed just other things were buffed AGAINST the vandal so its just that much worse now but is still the same as before the patch
tbh I’m conditioned to head tap with the vandal within three shots, so head dinking with the phantom and spray controlling after several shots is a huge insecurity atm. for the sake of strategy I might give it another try tho
I think its simpler than people are making it out to be, the phantom is objectively better, hands down, but you can win more gunfights “luckily” with the vandal though an accidental headshot, meaning you don’t have to be perfect, which most people arent in the heat of a firefight, and so this is why so many people feel more confident with it, is because in the arms of the less skilled, there are more situations that rng is on your side, regardless of the phantoms 1hs range
Even TenZ says the Phantom is better btw guys
good point, but saying that heaven is a short range map is funny to me
The iso thing still doesn’t quite work to me. If you’ve got decent aim, iso is a 2 shot, with phantom he’s still a a 3 shot.
i noticed that vandal in some times cant shoot onetap sometimes it give 145 and some it give me 67 on the head
thats from a wall bang
@@thezj_5859 nah it was throw smoke
@@guts._066 impossible lil bro u had to shoot through some1
@@guts._066 yeah i have found that as well that smokes reduce damage
@@guts._066 or there could have been a wall in side of it
People argue about whether to pick a vandal or a phantom. While I prefer the guardian
I was told that I didint need to switch to phantom cause I already use it most of the time
I just noticed the fire pattern of both guns forms a shlong💀
Therefore, attacking- vandal and defending- phantom
I have my days some days I’m money with the vandal some with phantom I swap back in forth hell I had fun one day and got 20ks with the Ares. But real talk I won’t lie I’ve had my best luck with the Phantom just cause I tend to aim mid chest to neck and recoil trails up where vandal is kind I’ve zig zag in an upward motion causing more body shots
literally had this thought this morning in comp
Simple solution: remove iso
B-b-bu-but I have 16 vandal skins and 2 phantom skins…
There is some time that I get headshots but they survive and I was taking about it with my val buddie
My choice of guns always depends on what range im gonna take fights :-
Long range Vandal
Short range Phantom
As phantom is clearly good in short range but sucks in long range
Vandal got the shitty recoil but OP DMG
also i got more kills on phantom rather than vandal
After this Rocket Science im still hardstuck silver
i noticed almost asap, my first game back on in a min 😭😭
i hate the fact that this actually makes sense
Struggling against neon is such a valorant player issue lmao, imagine these guys seeing cod and apex they'de get seizure
Unless its a large range map like breeze, Phantom is my goto weapon.
Recently ive been using phantom and my performance sky rocketed
I cant go back i already have the skin
I just call the whole team to wait for 12 seconds when I heard his sheild and we're not in the middle if smth
ill keep running the phantom, two headshots hits faster than the enemy wiffing at long range and i can still spam smokes
Generally, Phantom is more superior than vandal in every aspect. The only downside of phantom is that it cant one shot an enemy.
if you feel your aim is good as tenz its okay to use vandal, well i guess thats fine
Guardian better except for iso (+way more penetration power for wallbangs etc.)
guys lets switch the meta over 1 agent 💀
I hate the vandal so much. I see no reason to ever use it.
-especially since I can’t aim
Vandel makes you feel superior
My fave is the phantom but i use the vandal bc im at a disadvantage facing a vandal due to the 1 tap to the head 🤷🏾♂️ im immortal 2 on console
If you wanna one tap, just use a sheriff
Dude I fought against so many iso before, just double tap burst him.....
We are just blind because the vandal is more iconic
IF YOU WANT TO DO HEADSHOTS ONLY USE A GUARDIAN
For me as a Kind of new valorant Player, that was a very helpful Video. I May consider using the Phantom more often thx for the Info ❤❤
the main with the phantom is that I don't have a skin U_U
i dink enemy 140 --> use vandal --> i whiff an easy spray --> use phantom
😅
the vandal didn't get nerfed, the meta shifted away from it.
This video could have been 10 seconds
I'll continue buying a vandal because I have a skin on it 🗿
TLDR: Iso & utility spam
No wonder i got easy triple kills some rounds than using vandal
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Yes!
and when i buy the phantom i sprey and im getting onetapped INSTANTLY by a vandal user
That's a movement issue
iso and neon got buffed, so because phantom has better spray,accuracy and fire speed do dealt against isos shield and neons
movements, phantom just got even better.the pacing of this video is garbage lmao
am i the only one that notises that witch iso sheld it takes 3 HEADSHOTS TO KILL AN ISO
Stinger, and ares lover here 🔽 we love rushing 😂
For me the default phantom is absolutely garbage.. that's why I prefer vandal for clean 3 bursts
imagine phantom getting nerfed from 30 bullet mag to 20 like in cs2 m4a1s
That'd be a terrible, horrible change. Phantom is good at spraying, making it have only 20 bullets would suck so much, you have to constantly reload
no shot
I’m switching to phantom
Sorry for the 2 minutes delay
Holy clickbait
Guardian ontop.
and here i am using bulldog 😂😂
Bros click baits are running out of ideas 😂😂😂😂
I only use vandal cuz I have a skin on it