Catholicism, Reincarnation, SSBU, & MORE w/ Seth Hart
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- I was so happy to be able to interview Seth in person. He's a new contributor on our blog and just an all-around awesome (and kind and smart) guy. In this interview we talked about Catholicism, evolution and teleology, what getting a PhD actually looks like, who he mains in Super Smash Brothers Ultimate, the evidence for reincarnation, and much more!
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He says that sinlessness is an attribute that can only be attributed to God, but traditional Christian theology claims that God created angels and the first humans without sin as well. Catholic theology argues that Mary is the new Eve and yet she remained without sin.
Correct. In fact originally the sinlessness was an attribute of human nature when God created Adam and Eve with original justice (before the fall). A lot of misunderstandings of catholic doctrine in the talk
Seth claims that the Catholic Church can't claim, or at least there exists tension, when we say we are the Church that dates back to the Apostles and STILL have Theological modifications to the doctrine.
A pretty obvious response is that there was theological disputes even amongst the Apostles (should the gentiles convert first to Judaism and then become baptized and confirmed in Christianity). Were the Apostles not allowed to have Theological modifications? Of course they are, as long as they don't contradict the Message of Truth given to us by Jesus.
The Catholic Church faced a lot of opposition by false Christian teachings that spread like wildfire during the Early Church era: beliefs that Jesus was only human, beliefs that Jesus was only God, amongst others.
No other Church can claim that its founder is Christ, that we Batptize, Confirm, and Eat and Drink the Body and Blood of Christ (not repetitive sacrifice) BUT as a REMEMBRANCE of the Ultimate Sacrifice offered to God through Christ.
Yes bad people exist in every Church and even in leadership positions but that only serves as a beautiful reminder that only our Lord is Perfect and only His Voice we give unfailing obedience to.
At 28:42 Seth correctly states that " _dulia_ is the sort of veneration which you give that is proper to the saints. _Latria_ is worship" which is proper to God alone.
But to say that " _hyperdulia_ is a sort of middle point between worship and veneration" is a bit misleading. Rather, _hyperdulia_ is the special veneration shown to the Virgin Mary, which is above that shown to other saints. Hyperdulia is a _type_ of dulia, rather than a "middle point" between dulia and latria (which could imply a bit of both).
In response to Seth's follow up at 29:03 - no "terminological distinction" is, by itself, able "to prevent some... doctrinally inappropriate actions." That takes pastoral oversight and correction. I am not sure, but Seth may have a different view than Catholics as to what constitutes "doctrinally inappropriate actions" that should not be used to show veneration (e.g. external signs of devotion such as bowing or praying before statues, acts of entrustment, use of the rosary, medals, etc.).
The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments (which oversees prayer and liturgy) has published a _Directory on Popular Piety and the Liturgy_ that (among many other things) provides various principles to govern such devotional practices to guide the faithful as to what constitutes appropriate or inappropriate acts of piety in this regard (see especially paragraphs 47-59).
In Catholicism the difference between latria and hyperdulia is in quality the same than the difference between God and the creation. Protestants usually missunderstand this because they don't understand tve sacrificial dimension of the Holy Mass (the only pure adoration). Any high veneration to Mary or veneration to the Saints lacks totally this sacrificial dimension. So hyperdulia is not a sort of middle point between latria and dulia, at all.
It seems like Seth doesn’t have some Catholic doctrine and theology clear. A lot of people have already made up their minds about not ever being Catholic. To me truth matters not my opinion.
@@fmgbadillo - I got this impression too. At least he's curious about Catholicism rather than being disparaging about it and not paying it any attention. In a way I empathise, I can't imagine ever being a Protestant. As soon as I learnt of both the German and English Reformations at school I immediately realised what it was about Protestantism that I found instinctively unpalatable. Nevertheless, Protestantism is an important part of Christian history and is worth understanding.
I enjoyed this a lot! I think I’ll be a fan of the new format of your content for sure. Also, totally down for more little sidebars on games haha. I’m in indie game dev and it is fun to hear the opinions of you and your guests on Jiggly’s mobility and short range. 😂
God bless you two guys and btw I love the in person interviews ¡Viva Cristo Rey!
VIVA!
@@halleylujah247 Y que viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!
Que viva!
Great conversation!
54:15 that leg scross symmetry 😂
fantastic interview
SSBU = Super Smash Bros Ultimate?? YES PLEASE!!!
brooooo thats what i was thinking too 😂😂😂
The esthetics and quality of this video is amazing!
Agreed, it's beautiful.
Read all of this revelation, not parts, if you truly want The only Truth Absolute.
"This question was asked of The Lord: Lord, what does it mean in the Book of Revelation, where it says, “The 144,000 did not defile themselves with women; they kept themselves pure”?[1]
Thus says The Lord to His servant: Rather the 144,000 have been purchased, redeemed and chosen from the earth as a special offering, and are spiritually undefiled, pure as virgins.[2] Timothy, you have asked, and I have answered you plainly. Thus I tell you, you are of the number, I have already placed you within their ranks; My seal is upon your forehead.[3]
Yet those who envy seek to cause doubt, by questioning your worthiness and defilement with women. And because of this, they reject My Word spoken to this generation. Therefore they remain in their sins, for they want no part with Me as I truly am. They have removed themselves far from Me, and seek to draw others away also, that they might feel validated in their unjust cause. Yet who The Lord has cleansed is worthy of His purpose; call him not unworthy or defiled. For that which comes from the heart of man does indeed defile the man, yet that which comes from God is holy.
Therefore fear, all you who point the finger, and humble yourselves, all you who twist My words for your own gain, lest you be found guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. For the defilement which was written, and remains misinterpreted by men, is not defilement with the daughters of men, but defilement with the churches of men, who remain daughters of the church called mother. For she is a harlot, says The Lord. Thus spiritual purification begins with grace, and is for those whom I have chosen to become virgin in spirit, even a complete cleansing of every aspect of their lives.
All men are defiled, having fallen
Into all manner of diverse temptations;
There is none righteous in all the earth, no, not one...
Yet all who repent, in sincerity and in truth,
Are cleansed in the blood of The Lamb,
Which is pure and holy...
Therefore, those whom I have called to be My witnesses
Must become pure in heart and in spirit;
Set apart from the world and the churches of men,
Who cease not from polluting My name
And marring My image before the people.
Timothy, you have not sat among the prideful, nor have you kept the company of those deceived in the churches of men. You have accepted no doctrine at all. Indeed, you were like clay which had been molded by the world, yet remained unmolded in spirit. Behold, even when you were yet in your mother’s womb, I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet, a witness for My name, an enemy to all nations. Thus you put no faith in the doctrines of the world, nor did you accept any doctrine taught in the churches of men. As for your body and mind, yes, you did become defiled by sin, of this you were guilty, as are all who have gained maturity. Yet I have taken your sins from you and remember your iniquities no more. Therefore, I ask you, what defilement remains? For what The Lord has cleansed, in the blood of The Lamb, is a new creation - virgin.
Behold, I am the same yesterday, today, and all tomorrows to come, says The Lord. No contradiction found. Thus all error belongs to men, exploited by the wicked one for his own evil purpose. Therefore, what I have written I have written; it stands. And that which I have written through My servant, John, stands also, though it is greatly misinterpreted, the error of which is compounded by the mistranslations of men.
Yet worse still is the interpretation of My Word by men of intellect and learning, who shroud their arrogance in pretense and hide their error under the guise of established doctrine - unprofitable servants who lead My people astray. For My Word is for all who truly seek Me and long to know My ways, even to walk in them. Thus My Word can only be accepted and understood by those who have received the love of the Truth, for they abide in Me and My spirit resides within them. For how can one who stands apart from Me know Me? And how can one who teaches his own way walk with Me in Mine?
Men do not have understanding of the Scriptures in themselves! Rather it is a gift from God, received through the Holy Spirit, given to those who have placed all their trust in The Holy One, embracing Me as I truly am. Or have you never read this Scripture: The fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of The Holy One is understanding? Therefore to those who have received is all revealed, and to those who have not received is all shut away. Shall the darkness understand the light? For only those of The Light, bathed in His glory, shall see; the rest left blinded.
For until one calls on the name of The Messiah,
In sincerity and in truth, by no means shall they receive...
For He is The One who had placed
The mud upon their eyes to heal them...
Behold, He is also The Water of Siloam
Which was sent to wash them,
That they might now see, says The Lord."
[1]Revelation 14:4 (KJV)
[2]Revelation 14:1-4 (NLT)
[3]Revelation 14:1
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"For your ways and your teachings do always contradict sound doctrine. Indeed, your doctrines and traditions profane My holy name, as you further defile yourselves through your acceptance of pagan practices and myths, which have been passed down to you by your forefathers, men who were corrupters and given to corruption, false servants who committed adultery with the pagans and did not wholly separate themselves from the many harlotries of the Catholic Church... I tell you the truth, she shall be torn in pieces!
And yet all you churches of men remain like her, teaching always as doctrine the commandments of men, which has altogether turned you from The Truth. For you profess to know Me, yet by your works you deny Me, being disobedient, abominable, disqualified for every good work. Thus, as it was written of those who rebelled against Me at the first, so it remains concerning you at the last: Your mouths must be stopped. For you have subverted whole households, teaching things which you ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. For I tell you the truth, you have surely blasphemed the Spirit of God! Says The Lord.
Thus I shall rebuke you sharply for your sins, by which you have rebelled against Me! I shall correct and discipline you for the multitude of your transgressions, by which you have robbed Me! For I have seen in your hearts malice and how you seek to hold others captive, how you hold their sins over their heads and cast judgment, as though it were a hook. Therefore do your sins remain! Therefore must your discipline be severe!
For if I do not punish you for your iniquities, if I do not tear down all your houses and make you very poor and desolate, you can in no wise be joined unto Me, declares The Lord. For I have not forgotten you, nor will I forsake you utterly as the wicked. I will remember you, for I have known you; no, not as you are, but as you will be, when I have broken your pride and brought your haughtiness to the ground, in the day I rob you of all your riches, says The Lord."
~
"I tell you the truth, the very moment one has
A change of heart do they pass from judgment into life...
For I know the hearts of men,
And their thoughts are not at all hidden from Me;
Behold, I look upon their innermost desires,
I know every hidden intention...
Therefore when one calls upon Me,
I know, I see, I hear, regardless of the name
By which they have come to know Me, says The Lord...
For there is but One God and One Savior, and I AM HE.
Yet understand this: In times past I overlooked the ignorance of the people. Yet now I command all people everywhere to repent in sincerity and in truth.[1] In like manner, I have overlooked the ignorance of those who call The Messiah by another name. Yet now I command all who have ears to hear, to call upon His name as it is, was, and has always been, and not as they presume it to be.[2] Indeed I am calling all tribes, tongues, peoples and nations to embrace Him as He truly is, and not as the churches of men would have Him be,[3] says The Lord."
[1]Acts 17:30
[2]Zephaniah 3:9
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"Does not The Lord Himself search our hearts and minds, even our innermost thoughts and intentions? Does He not know who we are referring to, when we say “Jesus is Lord”? Even throughout the world, believers and unbelievers alike know the name “Jesus” (a name given to YahuShua by men) refers to He who was crucified and rose from the dead. And if we say YAHUSHUA is YAHUWAH, is this not also self-evident?
Even before the earth was made, there is ONE alone who was and is and has always been THE LORD ABSOLUTE, which by definition demands there can be only one. Thus all others, whether man, false deity or carved image, referred to as “Lord” in English or in any other language, are false! - Deceivers! Impostors! Idols! - To call any of these “Lord” is blasphemy, even on the highest order!
For thus has The Lord spoken:
One God...
One Son, The Only Way to The Father...
One Truth, One Word, One Messiah, One Spirit;
One Food, One Bread and One Drink...
One Body...
Of which I am all,
The All in All."
~
"Therefore, again I call you to kiss The Son
And bow before your King!...
For He alone is your salvation,
He alone is your only escape!...
He is The Light, The Only Way, The Only Truth!...
There is no life apart from Him;
Apart from Him is only darkness and death,
The wide path which leads to destruction...
YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH
Is His name, The Mashiach!...
The Bearer of your cross, The Lover of your soul,
The Risen One, The Mighty One of Jacob...
Immanu El!"
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What an intelligent and clear-minded man! Loved it.
Cam I would like to see you do some stuff on Orthodox Christianity (both eastern and oriental) if possible. I feel like they are often left out of all these conversations.
Fr though. He should invite some Hesychasts
Yes. I was just thinking about Orthodox Christianity, I’d like to hear more and think he would do really well
@@st.mephisto8564 Yes, I wonder how Protestants will react to their silent mediation practices. Protestants usually associate that type of meditation to only Buddhism and New Age
This was a super interesting interview, Seth has a way of explaining things in a way that's really understandable, atleast to me, a layman.
If we can not attribute "divine attributes" to human beings then the Gospel writers can not be inerrant or infallible either, unless you eliminate human action and say that the Gospels and the whole Bible is written directly by God, also if sinlessness is a "divine attribute" then the Saints in Heaven and in the Age to come could no be sinless or Adam and Eve be created without sin.
Second once again we Catholics do not worship Mary, to worship you need to offer sacrifice as in the Old Testament and that is to God alone, that sacrifice is the Eucharist at Mass, that's why the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is essential and necessary for real Christian worship (the letter to Hebrews is really important for all of this)
The Church Fathers do not support the Eucharist as a "symbol" see Dr. Brett Salkeld and Catholic Answers for that
And Hell is real and eternal, that's what the vast majority of Christians have believed and still believe regardless of denomination, it's in scripture and really if we just think of it for a moment what would the Devil wanted us to believe? That Hell is eternal, that Hell is not real (annihilationism) or that nobody goes to Hell (universalism or apocatastasis) what would he wanted us to believe?
(English is not my first language so I apologize if I did any mistakes😂)
God bless you all👋😊
I don’t see how annihilationism is a bad thing. The thought of ceasing to exist is just as terrifying as being burned in spiritual torment for all eternity. In fact, I’ve heard people say that they would prefer eternal torment than being annihilated because you’ll at least get to feel something and retain consciousness.
@@randomango2789 Brother I really don't see how that's even possible 😂, I mean total separation from God its like a lonely and dark eternity and annihilation is just cease to exist, I mean that's the argument that anti-natalist, abortionist (with the argument "its better not to bring a child into this bad world") and people who support euthanasia or "assisted suicide" gif, so if anihilationsim is something that all of those groups support then I don't see how in principle could we as Christians support it, its obvious that Hell is worst than anihilationsm because no one wants to go to Hell if they believe in it of course
Actually really related to the first 9 minutes of this - applied to two different PhD programs for Economics over in Europe. Got accepted but ended up not going because funding is incredibly competitive (also got my dream job, which doesn't happen everyday) - applied to a million scholarships (at public institutions) and ended up making it past the first round in only one of them. There were multiple rounds after that and I made it all the way to the last round (a 6 month process) and didn't get it. Pretty brutal stuff. It's only 3 years but they don't give you any help at all. Something like $40k total per year too.
God bless you man. Kind of don't like to hear about the money flowing like wine to higher education, lol, because I don't want to pay for it, but if YOU pay for it in one way or another I guess I'm not going to cry. Lol. A little of my economics philosophy here. Best for me to MIND MY OWN BUSINESS in the end and get on with my own refinement, but since you mentioned economics maybe throwing the ball to ya is alright. 😆
49:26 Kudos to Cameron for being unbiased.
Want to give this video an extra like when I found that Seth mains King K.Rool! That is what I main as well!!!
Seth is one of the most attractive men I have ever seen
I’m not orthodox myself, but if Cameron is interested in doing some videos on it, he should reach out to Kabane. Great orthodox theological mind.
Cameron you need to interview a Coptic Christian some day.
42:00 great summary of the evidence. Seth should be the one arguing in favour of reincarnation.
There are good answers to his thoughts on Catholicism. :)
Ayyyyy hope you two are enjoying the halo infinite multiplayer!! 😄
Edit: Let me say that Cameron, you have amazing content, keep it up.
I hear the comment that the sinlessness of Mary is a quality only attributed to God, but what does that mean for Adam and Eve before the fall?
How does being sinless somehow close the infinite gap between God and man? Also, if you see the typological connection between Mary being a new kind of Eve it would only make sense for some sort of sinlessness.
"When I remember the disobedience of Eve, I weep. But when I view the fruit of Mary, I am again renewed. Deathless by descent, invisible through beauty, before the ages light of light; of God the Father wast Thou begotten; being Word and Son of God, Thou didst take on flesh from Mary Virgin, in order that Thou mightest renew afresh Adam fashioned by Thy holy hand."
(St. Gregory the Wonder-worker, Homily Concerning the Holy Mother of God Ever-Virgin, 1)
If sinlessness is something which is the solely proper to God... what of the good angels? Is the archangel Michael a sinner? Human beings after the resurrection... they (we) won't be sinning either.
I think that tenet is one which doesn't pass muster.
So in conclusion, there is no plausible way that there is reincarnation?
Papal infallibility etc and Mary’s sinlessness etc are predicated on God’s grace and will, so proper to who he pleases - nothing is impossible for God. After the great day of the resurrection even we who are raised to everlasting life will be sinless and “know as [we] have been fully known” (Cor 13).
To the apostles, of whom the Bishops who make up the magisterium succeed, Christ said “the Spirit will guide you into all truth” (j 16). And to Peter alone “...that your faith will not fail.”
Take Mary’s perpetual virginity, for instance, make an analysis of the Marys at the crucifixion and resurrection across the gospel accounts to see the Mother of James is a different woman to Mary the mother of Jesus. Dr Pitre has a good video on this.
I like Suan’s Polaroid analogy for doctrine being there from the beginning, just later being more clearly defined.
I’m not a patreon supporter so probably don’t get much of a say, but Cameron consider an interview with an old earth creationist, such as, Stephen Meyer, Douglas Axe or Casey luskin and listen to their objections to Darwinism (macroevolution/common descent as opposed to microevolution which no one disputes) in favour of creationism.
>Smash Bros
The new content is wack, Cameron. Hope one day you will stream playing Little Mac lol
The problem with Darwinian evolution (or alternative evolutionary models) is that the data doesn't support the narrative. You will certainly get the evolutionary biologists will say otherwise but you need to look at the data yourself.
The greatest argument against evolution IS THE SCIENCE
The Catholic Church just comes up with stuff unlike the Anglican Church where you can admittedly by Seth Hart you can believe in anything concerning the sacraments and the Head of the Church is not an apostolic succession but the King or Queen of England. Ok then.
I thought about watching this, but I decided to wait until I’m reincarnated
SINCE the psychology of Frued is the teleological product of evolution to have the God delusion, don't you think Swamidass is a bit anally retentive with a bent toward professional castration anxiety??? The gender dysphoria inherent from evolution does explain the body language between you two guys as you bond in the orgy of philosophical ideology. The morphic resonance between you two is such a turn on it's make one forget the ark encounter.
What did I just read lol
There's countless reincarnation accounts in families which don't believe in it, in cultures which don't and are even actively anti-reincarnation, there's some data morphic resonance may not so easily explain (or the other theories) in the cases which have "between life" memories were they will describe choosing their parent's, God, coming down from heaven, choosing even what trials they will face in this life etc, I seen some of them covered in the Amazon Prime series "The ghost inside my child" along with some were the events weren't being recalled by them years later but (in one episode in particular) when they were still little and talking about their memories on camera.
They have a strong emotional connection and are adamant on being the other person to the point of experiencing home sickness (The "marty martin" case) or getting angry at not being called the other name. They experience severe phobias related to the means of death so all those emotions would also need to transfer over with memories (if Morphic resonance) and I feel that also fits in better with them actually being the person than not.
Some NDE's talk about reincarnating so it corroborates it, if you believe in those NDE's then you must also believe in reincarnation if those NDE's can be verified and shown to be compelling then reincarnation would also in turn be shown to be and that's in total independence from any past life recollections gathered in this life or any of that typical reincarnation data.
(from the Cosmology and Consciousness Conference - Mind and Matter 2011)
In video "Is consciousness Produced by the Brain" Dr. Bruce Greyson himself replies to a question of his personal view of rebirth (1:22:11):
There are reported reincarnation cases that are "unexplainable in terms of reincarnation". There are examples of "children that seem to remember the same past life". And there are examples where the dating does not match: "Children who remembers the past life of someone who died when the child was six months old". So there you have it. There must be some other explanation for this "rebirth" phenomenon.
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@@timo3877 That's interesting, I'd never heard of either of those scenarios before all it does though is add to the data two new types of cases which need explaining from it and like Dr. Greyson said no model seems to explain it all, personally I'd need to see the cases he talks about if it turned out they were reconcilable there'd be no reason to rethink the reincarnation hypothesis.
If it turned out the people who seemed to remember the same past life were both attempts to jump on the reincarnation bandwagon for attention/fame and/or money and the reason they both had the same life was because the info involving that life was public and was what the google searches brought up so was what parent's with this motive would go to as a good candidate for the scheme and maybe the one who died when they were six months old was that baby wasn't sentient yet or they were and wanted to opt out and then a new soul came in their place.
Just ideas that would reconcile it all but perhaps it's something else or morphic resonance in those cases and reincarnation in the others (after all they don't actually cancel the other out some cases could be one and some the other and then all the data is explainable).
If reincarnation was totally false and every case was something else (like morphic resonance) it still wouldn't explain the sheer adamant attitude of "I AM this person" so many exhibit and the phobia towards the causes of death and also how many cases are memories of people dying in accidents and murders as if some higher power is declaring they weren't here long enough, the personality traits of the prior person and the homesickness towards their homeland etc, maybe other theories would explain that stuff maybe morphic resonance is the reality and it turns out dying in horrible accidents is what causes the memories to linger in wherever they do that longer and long enough to be picked up by a new born who'll then mistakenly think they are that person, I don't know but the above stuff I mentioned reincarnation is a neater fit for than other theories.
Your jeans have holes In them.
You’re very observant!
Macroevolution by natural selection and random mutations alone is a myth as even atheist biologists like Gerd Müller and Stuart Newman have pointed out. They are offering additional or alternative explanations which are insufficient and speculative. Please interview Günter Bechly on your show.
Sorry, "purpose" seems to be a human construct of our imagination. It undermines all of Seth Hart's arguments...