This vs that 1976 Cadillac Eldorado convertible vs 1977 Lincoln Mark V
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- This vs that 1976 Cadillac Eldorado vs 1977 Lincoln mark V. These are two of the largest cars made by both GM and Ford. Go over specs and side by side comparison of these iconic land yachts
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according to that youtube album: in the evening,,,,, also>> It MAY BE NAMED, "All of my love" to you.............
I’ll give it to you =) I didn’t know that song goes by two names
When comparing cars of this class, it basically all boils down to styling cause both have a ride like floating on a cloud with any option one could think of back in the day. No one bought these cars for their performance like 1/4 mile and 0-60 times or to toss them through the twisties. The were built for absolute comfort like driving your couch down the freeway. Personally, I like the Lincoln as I think it just looks better but both are the epitome of North American comfort and luxury cars.
Totally agree these were to of the biggest cars offered from GM and ford I like the Lincoln more and I’m with you it comes down to preference (the Lincoln was sort of a basement entry level didn’t have a lot of options aside from leather seats, the vent windows are my favorite Lincoln feature and didn’t have those all that in mind I’d still take the Lincoln)
I agree with you on that one
As for me, I would go for the Cadillac cause it looks different.
@Maharaj Pal the Caddy is a beauty too for sure.
I have the 77 Mark V it's is so smooth
Who cares about 0-60 or handling when you're out for a relaxing Cruz?
It's all about road presence and that HOOD
My stepmother had a bright gold Mark V, with crushed velour seats. I think it was the Cartier edition. It was the best car I ever rode in, and my friend had a 76 Eldo. My Dad bought a 78 Mark V which he passed on to me.
The Lincoln just rides better and nothing rides like a Lincoln, I’ve never been in the imperial hopefully that changes next year
All Lincolns had Cartier clocks if it had the Valore interior, it was not a designer series
In the mark v there was an optional extra so you have vanity mirrors with light that look exactly like the one in the Caddilac, you could also have them at both sides if I remember correctly
Yeah your right the mark v was like entry level aside from the leather
Lincoln had automatic headlights really cool vent windows sunroof miles to empty gauge (I think it was the first car to offer such a gauge) outside temp keyless entry as well as vanity mirror.. I think there was a armrest in rear as option CB radio all features are car didn’t have.. I want to do all the designer series of the mark v as well as bicentennial edition of the Cadillac
@@What.its.like. Leather was actually the lower option on the Mark V. The velour interior was the highest option.
The mark just had an elegance- god what a ride. It’s heritage was the mark 1 , 2 and of course the museum of modern art
Awarded mark 3-
The eldorado, ? A bastard with absolutely no hope of competing-
FYI
When the manager of Lincoln specified what the mark 3 should be most of you are not aware of this- he specified as such;
“I want a thunderbird and a Jaguar combined
FYI
How did you thing the CADILLAC was more expensive?
A REAL TRASH RIDE
Love the two of them ! It looks boxy , had lots of chrome and it’s rare to see them today .
We sold the Cadillac I might compare the Cadillac to the olds toronado not sure if the Cadillac shipped if it’s still there I’ll do that this week
i just wish to go back to 70,s cadillac eldo
If I had a time machine I would probably go back to the 30s or 50s
Awesome cars ! Large hood and bigger trunk than other cars in the past .
=) nothing rides like a land yacht
Don't forget Jay, it has "TELESCOPIC" steering wheel also, all of those 70's/ mid 80's Caddy's had the Tilt-Telescopic........
Yes I must have forgotten that clip this was second time software program glitches and forgot everything I put together had to do it all over again.. which really sucked
The door latch striker is missing the plastic bushing, common issue,including all GM trucks. Simply wrap the striker with about 10 wraps of electric tape. GM hinge pins suck too, I've replaced many bushings, tricky job
Thank you so much for that insight I didn’t notice it was missing that =)
This would be another tough one for me. They're both beautiful cars, I really like the look of the Cadillac, I think it has such strong presence and style, and I love that color combo. The seats do look like plush leather couches that' I have sat on before too, on the other hand, the Lincoln seats look very comfortable also, and it is an elegant looking car, and I agree over the hood look is beautiful! 🤩
The Cadillac was more optioned than the Lincoln and Lincoln offered a boat load of seat options pillow side leather seats is a whole different League those seats are a lot more comfortable than these seats were
Both are very nice.I like the Caddy better. I've actually driven both of them and as you mentioned, the seats are hard in the Lincoln. The engine compartment was easier to deal with in the Caddy. The Lincoln seemed to have masses of hosing within the engine compartment. The Caddy was simpler and easier to get around. I remember folks flocking to the dealer in 1976 to grab the Caddys since the mind set was Detroit isn't going to ever make them again. My college schoolmate bought a 71' El Dorado rag after graduation and that was a nice ride.
It’s hard to pick a definitive winner that’s why I said you couldn’t go wrong with either of them comes down to preference really but I do get your points there’s so many different pros and cons of each of them the link and it was featured was a basement model only options that I could find was the 8 track player and leather seats but they were the entry-level leather seats because they offered these really nice pillows side leather seats and it wasn’t them both of those cars could get really expensive with all the options they had to offer i’ve been in the Lincoln mark five with a cloth velour seats The cloth hello side seats are vastly more comfortable than these leather seats were it just depends on what seats
I definitely see your point the Cadillac is definitely more accessible under the hood I agree with you I don’t understand why Lincoln needed all the plumbing underneath the hood it was especially like that later on years down the road I never understood why they needed all of the piping going seemingly nowhere
Yeh...I remember, they thought it would be the last convertible Caddy ever made.😆
I own a "77" Mark V and a "78" Eldorado Biarritz. The author is definitely on the money with his rundown on these cars. My Mark has the 460 while Eldo has a 425. The Mark is snappier pick up wise and actually squeaks the rear tires loose going into 2nd if you open up that 4 barrel at the correct time. They're also crowd pleasers, as your lucky, if you ever see one of these mint bad boys cruising down the street nowadays.
Thank you so much sounds like you dig this video.. there was a point in time where I absolutely wanted. Nothing more more than a Mark five or a Chrysler cordoba or a two door Fleetwood those are really cool as well. Lincoln had a bunch of different seat options. The cars that I compared the Cadillac seats were better, but Lincoln had some really stellar leather seats if this car was equipped with that it would be perfect… Lincoln also made some stellar velour seats I had an 88 town car that was one of my favorite cars. If not my favorite car that I’ve ever owned with the pillow side seats. I really like that car. I kind of wish that I never sold it.
I had an "83" 2 door Fleetwood which was brand new. Not to many people know these cars still exist or ever did. Great car, only drawback was that pitiful HT 4100. You speak of some stellar leather leather interiors Lincoln had, check out my you tube video to see a truly sharp leather interior. I have the the complete Marti report on that Mark and there were only 7 of them made that were optioned as mine was. Your two look slick to me and very well maintained. You have to drive them though, otherwise they'll get ill. Keep that thought in mind !!
this is the 2nd time I've guessed it in as many weeks, Jay..........................!
I love the Lincoln Justin. I'm really surprised the rear windows don't go down. they look like they do. then you would have the no-post look which I like. thanks Justin 👍
The Lincoln just a timeless design can’t go wrong either way but the Lincoln looks sporty pointy just a cool looking car it has a presence they both do but the Lincoln is where it’s at in my opinion
I absolutely love the non-conventional glove box test with your camera. And your hair can never be too puffy speaking from a Leo here.
Great channel I'm glad I discovered it
I’m glad you found this channel we are just getting started honestly this channel just turned a year old in September got some cool stuff planned welcome to the channel =)
Nice video and comparison, well done. Its a cold wintery day here and my Mark V is put away, its s 1978 with the 460 and all original and in mint condition, can’t wait for summer…..
Glad you like this comparison video that’s awesome that you have one what’s your favorite memory and or story of your car =)
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the mark five
Love the video. It would be so cool if you could do more of these comparison video's for the various 70's and 80's landyachts.
I would love to get back to doing at least one comparison video a week much like the engine episodes problem is I don’t work at Jk Galleria anymore so doing comparison episodes takes a lot more.. I have a couple in the back of my head that I would really like to do I have friends that have a 59 Rambler cross country wagon and I have another friend that has a 61 I would love to compare those two before the end of the year. =)
Glad you dig this video
My dad had a brand new 76 Cadillac Eldorado, with the Astroroof, fully equipped with the 500cid fuel injection, more power and torque. VOGUE tyres, beautiful white on white with red dash & rug. We test drove both the 4bbl, & fuel injection. In 78 I got me a Mark V. It was the last year with the 460. The Caddy would jump ahead from a dead stop & kept pulling ahead of my Mark. But, that was the last of them beautiful AWESOME MASTERPIECES. Instead of those humongous SUVS, imagine these landyachts with today's technology.
I'd buy 1,& trade in my 21 'Slade.
Nice informative video, I enjoyed it, & drove down memory lane. THANKS!!
My "V" had the"Miles To Empty" for which I NEVER trusted when it was down to 1/4 tank. Both were thirsty for AMOCO 93. But, well worth it, my dad's had a passenger light vanity, but, my "V" had both sides. Plus, it had the MOONROOF, what I truly missed on my Conti, was the Lamp Monitors that were on my dad's Eldo.
♥️🇺🇸👍👏
Remember, the movie"Donnie Brasco", when it begins the fellas are arguing about which was the better car, the Lincoln or Cadillac? That was my dad & I.
Great story thank you so much for sharing those memories. =)
I owned a 88 Lincoln town car signature series AOD.. if one put put up to 20 miles per hour and then floored it would take off like a rocket tried that in a 77 mark this summer and it wasn’t the same.
@@What.its.like. Thank!!!
Great no nonsense review. Both of these cars are iconic and beautiful. Thank you. I'd have to pick the Lincoln but it's close.
Glad you dig this review =)
And another great video. Thank you.
Thank you so much glad you dig this episode
Amen on the thin steering wheel. Excellent review!
Thank you so much =)
Geez, I'm old enough now to remember when these were brand new, and very popular.
The 78 Mark V with the 4 way disc brakes, 4 way coil springs and the 460 4 barrel was the best of three I owned. The vacuum headlamp doors were a pain but they made those electric in the 79. The 79 didn't offer the 460 though.
Awesome choice
I’d pick Lincoln over Cadillac as well
The headlamp doors were factory vacuum in 1979, yours must have been converted - a good retrofit!
The Caddie in particular, is heavy and large with a monster engine, that has no grunt. I saw a 73 which had less rear legroom than a Mazda 2, and I wasn't surprised. Room for 10 bodies in the boot (trunk) and the front of the car got into town a few seconds before you.
I love them still. Epic style over substance, terrible fuel economy, subdued (choked) engine power.
All the glories of yesterday embodied on one.
Troubled by your inability to teach history to your kids, show them one of these.
Yet, one extra stand out feature, is the price. They seem so cheap compared to today's equivalent luxo barges.
They are both very nice cars, and I'm well acquainted with each. I'd choose the Lincoln -- as you point out, it's just a bit classier, and better assembled.
=) totally agree
Better built for sure, no rattles, squeaks or creaks like how some 70’s Cadillacs can have.
I put a throttle body on my 73 Eldorado, it put the power through the roof, and made the MPG better; but it's still a thirsty engine.
I had both of them and Great cars !!!!!
Can’t go wrong with either =) totally agree
I just found your channel. Looking forward to watching your in depth review on Mark Vs.
Welcome to the channel =) eventually I want to hit them all I wanna do all of the designer series Lincoln mark five as well as other cars
@@What.its.like. Thanks, looking forward to them.
Both cars make me nostalgic.
=)
IN MY YOUNGER DAY I OWNED A 1975 CADDY WHITE ON WHITE. IT WAS A WONDERFUL CAR BUT IT WAS A GAS HOG. FUN TO DRIVE BUT IT WAS A RACE TO THE GAS STATION.
Awesome story thank you so much for sharing that I got to drive one last summer and I remember even just driving it for 20 minutes it really sucked down the gas
There must have been somthing wrong with the Cadillac. I have the same car but with carburettor and it returns 12 mpg on average and 16 on the high way. It should be more powerful than the L. also.
The ‘77 Mark V is the smoothest riding car I’ve ever been in.
Totally agree they have a soft spot in my heart forever for that car could you imagine driving right now.. The only thing about that car is it needs another gear or two it doesn’t have enough kick down like the later town cars had with AOD transmission
@@What.its.like. My buddy’s Lincoln was baby blue, with a white vinyl top. PIMP JUICE
there both beautiful cars,but i like the Lincoln the most what a car ! gr from the Netherlands.
I totally agree can’t go wrong with either but I’d take the Lincoln
I like the look of the Caddy and also that it’s front wheel drive and a drop top. It’s a gas hog, but anything in that class at the time was gonna drink fuel.
I love boulth. Each have things that is better than the other as you say. I agree with you
I’m old enough to remember when rich people drove those. I think there’s a big difference between the 400 and the 460 in the Lincoln. I’d aim for a 460.
I have yet to drive a mark five with a 460 in it that’s something that I really wanna do but with that said I have owned a town car with a 302 automatic transmission and it moves faster than the mark five with a 400..
I actually test-drove two of these back-to-back on the same day. Though the Eldorado was a 78 hardtop.
I honestly prefer the Mark V. Discounting my bias of it being my favorite Lincoln, and the fact mine being a CA car was stuck with the 400, I found the experience better. I found the Cadillac to be sort of cramped, I don't think the seats were as comfortable, it felt cheaper inside, the visibility seemed poorer, and I wasn't a big fan of some of the control locations and gauge clusters. I'll grant the Caddie did feel a bit more powerful as far as horsepower (At least, with regards to 425 vs 400) and did feel a bit more planted and less vague in its steering. But the Lincoln was just an overall more pleasing car to be in, everything seemed to be laid out in a way I found much more preferable, and it was smoother and quieter than the Cadillac, and these cars are all about that.
Awesome I totally agree the Lincoln that was tested had the basement leather seats Lincoln made at least three different kinds of leather seats I’ve been in car with the other kinds and it’s a night and day difference. I’d take the Lincoln over the Cadillac.. the Lincoln feels more special nicer car in every measure =) totally agree
@@What.its.like. I bought a brand new Mark V in 1977. I did have the 460 motor and the better two tone seats (maroon with the white inserts and maroon straps). I did order the car and paid $11,900 with a MSRP of $12,8000. I am 66 years old and still say it today that the Mark was the best car I ever owned. You really can't describe the ride unless you drove one, you absolutely felt nothing when you went over a bump. I still think about this car all the time.
That Lincoln was also available with a 460, which would be a more fair comparison.
I didn’t have access to a 460 model
The Lincoln has understated elegance and the Cadillac is flashy. I’m a bit disappointed that the Mark couldn’t fit the camera in its box though.
I’m a huge mark v fan I want to find all the Mark designer series
So am I.
My dad referred to the godawful faux wood interior trim as “Detroit Oak.” He was a Buick fan and there was plenty of Detroit Oak in his Electra Park Avenue. I was a sophomore in college in 1976 (Yes, I am old.) and neither of these cars would have appealed but honestly, the Eldorado in a coupe configuration would have been my choice. V8 and front wheel drive? Yes, please. This was a fun AND clever premise for one of your videos! 👍
Thank you so much glad you enjoyed this episode we sold the Cadillac but if it’s still there and didn’t ship out yet I’m going to compare it to the toronado because they are built on same platform
Detroit oak, I like that!!😅
Eldorado grill, lights, lines, dashboard, trunk lid just all better looking
I may be bias, I had a Mark V. It was a great ride. It had the courtesy mirrors on both visors, miles to empty, outside temp guage and automatic lights.
Yeah all options the car featured was like a basement model with leather seats and 8 track player they are so nice optioned out I’ll review an optioned out one I want to hit all the designer series as well
Three comments: 1) The Lincoln was a fabulous car, agree with your comments regarding the ride. You needed to take the Lincoln on the freeway at 80 mph with the windows rolled up and the A/C on, it is a life changing experience. 2) Judging from your comments on the Cadillac, the engine needs some work. The horrible mileage and poor acceleration implies a carburation problem, possibly ignition. In your case, fuel injection problem? 3) You totally stumped me on the song, i had to look in the comments.
That Lincoln was like an entry level Lincoln no options except basic options leather seats where the cheap ones we have another Lincoln which needs to be serviced it’s got 460 pillow side leather seats vent windows sunroof thermometer it’s a really loaded example as soon as we get it for service I’m gonna do a review on it.. we sold the Cadillac Eldorado so I wanted to do a comparison video on these two cars before I left because I’m not sure when I’ll see another one
Cadillac just for the looks alone ❤
20:55 it's not weird,it has to do with rear end and transmission gear ratio and torque convertor factor and weight of the car which caddy is 500 pound more and that's why
Thank u very much bro for making wonderful comparison between these two beautiful classic American cars so im wondering through ur experience in driving these two both cars so which one of them have more softer power steering where u can turn it with one pinky finger easily?
Both can be driven with only a single finger, the Lincoln with the thinner wheel feels way nicer to drive one finger
first song off of that Album, "In the Evening"!
Getting warmer =)
@@What.its.like. IN THE EVENING
Not that song
@@What.its.like. Okay Jay,,,, got it, : INDEED: it is: "All of My Love"
That is not the quadraphonic 8 track player in this car...that is the cheaper, stereo only unit, which was not actually offered in a 1977 model... someone put this in later.
The washer fluid light also was not available in '77...that was modified by someone after.
The Cadillac is more of luxury drivers car back in the day it wasn't unusual to see old drivers in new cadillacs driving 100 mph in Nevada. Gm gas gauge from the 1970s are notorious for being inaccurate to get 14mpg in oldsmobile i had to drive 55 on the highway
Yeah I was thinking the same I was like there’s no way I used that much gas in the little drive that I took
The band Led Zeppelin the song All My Love! And you have great taste in music that's one of my favorite bands of all time!
Mine too I was born way to late I like classic rock more then the crap noise they make now
That classic music had such an art definition, depth of soul it was a production now it's just garbage music that they can get the cheapest singer to make some kind of noise in my opinion.
For my next vid I will compare Apples to Oranges.
It’s really hard to do comparison videos 40 years after the fact I figured they were close enough..
Sitting in the back of any coupe is cramped for me, but yes the Mark IV and V are more roomy. It’s awesome you had the MK V and Eldorado, both side by side to compare. The Mark V interior is basically just like the Mark IV , same basic door cards, armrests , lights etc. Dash is identical just trimmed differently. I am surprised at the decontent of the backseat because my 72 mark four has a fold down armrest for the back. Plus my rear quarter's do open about two inches.. I’m guessing that’s just enough to flick cigarette ash out that kind of ridiculous so I guess they eliminated those in the MK V. Really the mark five is a redesign and skin only it’s just kind of like dropped over what is still a Mark IV underneath. Though for 72 the engine was stronger. I would hazard to guess that with the Cadillacs extra weight over that of the Mark V they probably have about the same performance numbers definitely the same driving feel. I believe in the sales numbers the Mark wins over the Eldorado just about every year and it truly was the quintessential 70s personal luxury coupe. I thoroughly enjoyed this. I agree the Lincoln is elegant to drive. It just makes you feel special, and thats what these cars were all about.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of that having driven both the Cadillac just feels like another car the Oldsmobile I driven the Oldsmobile Toronado 75 tornado as well and in ways the tornado felt better than the Cadillac.. The tornado had crotch ventilators the Cadillac didn’t.. not saying that you need a crotch ventilator but I’m just saying why I put it in a lower class car and not have it in the higher class car is beyond me. I might be a little bit partial to Lincoln over Cadillac because I’ve owned Lincolns I’ve never owned a Cadillac.. I was impressed by how heavy and how big the Cadillac was it didn’t handle like as big of a car as it was, but with that said it just did it you didn’t feel I didn’t feel special driving the Cadillac whereas even the Lincoln though it was a basement model I felt special driving it.. it has a presence the Cadillac doesn’t. In my opinion =)
I prefer the Linclon , my g/father had one of the last Mercury's imported to Australia (via Canada due to tariffs, God save the Queen etc) his 1945 model sold as a 1946 , ran great , he traded it in 1963 , when GM made semi decent cars ,in Australia , that flathead still did 90 MPH, manual , Mercury was missed ,V8 in particular over GM 6 cylinder offering, and the suicide doors , I was very young , single digit ,
SONG: " In the evening"
It is not that song it is a song off of the album you said but it’s not that song
I want....both!
One could buy both and still have money left over as opposed to buying a Mercedes 450sl honestly think that that is the most overhyped car that I reviewed this year.. Grand Wagoneer is up there with it but the grand Wagoneer is actually really good the only problem with that car is it’s not reliable lots of reliability issues.
That Your Cadillac had a tilt telescopic steering wheel so it Moved up-and-down and in-and-out the control for it to come out is right behind the medallion on the face of it around the deli right behind it there's a little knob that slides from right to left I believe left open left open and right locks it
Yeah thank you so much for the correction this is actually the second version of this episode I did a full version of an episode this episode it was supposed to air yesterday but I was finishing it up my computer software glitched and it just disappeared so I had to redo it and I forgot to put that part in there but thank you for pointing that out =)
I was lucky to own a 75 Eldorado hardtop, I would like a Lincoln at some stage, but they’re thin on the ground here in Ireland 🇮🇪
Do you guys have a lot of American classic cars there in Ireland.. what’s the car culture like there?
@@What.its.like. Yes we do have a big enough American car culture here, one of the bigger clubs would be the Midlands American Automobile Club, you can Google them. My buddy recently had to sell his cherished 63 split window Vette and his 74 big block Stingray, we don’t mention them anymore 😥 But he still has his 77 or 78 Country Squire. I have an insta account under the same name and I post pics of American cars spotted in Dublin. I really want a P71 interceptor! One day hopefully 🙏
Here’s a short video of the 63
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Not that I mind the Mark V, but kind of too bad you didn't compare it with the 1976 Mark IV
I drive a 1975 Mark IV and have done for 20 years now. I have previously driven Cadillacs. A 1973 Coupe dé Ville for 9 years and a 1978 Fleetwood limousine for 5 years.
Mark IV - only available with 460 cui
04:21 I love the quality of the crome panel on the Cadillac doors.
04:40 in 1975 the Mark IV came with automatic seatback release. Open door gave free access to the rear seat. Closed to locked the seat back.
04:50 Where the Marks have an ashtray in the doors for the rear seat passengers, the Eldorado has a door handle for the rear seat passengers in the right door. Great idea for getting out.
08:06 The vanity mirrors with high/low beam lights in the Eldorado, look exactly like the ones I have standard in my 1975 Mark IV - Left AND right.
09:09 The daytime/night time switch on the mirror is supposed to be UP and out of sight in the daytime. You pull it down at night.
10:01 The glove box compartment is a joke in the Mark IV and V. My husband loves to tease me about it. Well, in his MX-5 there is NONE :-)
11:10 The rear seat passanger door handle deserves attention.
11:43 My 1973 Coupe dé Ville had a better white leather seat with arm rest.
11:50 Mark V here. "You just move the seat like this" because of automatic seat back release.
12.:47 Mark IV cars have back seat center armrests and in general a nicer leather seat design.
14:40 Cadillacs in general has a much better cornering light, because it is located high and lights up the corner better.
15:31 Lincolns in general including the Continental Marks have the cornering lights too low. They are not nearly as efficient as ones on Cadillacs.
On modern cars this function has more or less moved over to the fog lamps.
15:17 The headlight doors on Mark V cars have - like most other Lincoln Mercury and FoMoCo cars with concealed headlights have TWO vacuum motors. One for each headlight.
Mark IV cars have only one. It means on Mark IV cars the doors always open evenly. You will never see a cross-eyed or with only one door open or closed.
16:26 With a full size spare tire, the trunk is not all that big compared to a dé Ville or Fleetwood.
17:25 The trunk in a Mark IV / Mark V is SMALL. It can only take one medium Samsonite hard suitcase + sailer sports bag.
23:26 I often have to help new right side front passengers find the inside door handle in my Mark IV.
24:12 I think the ignition needs ajustment. 5 miles = 1/4 tank sounds VERY wrong.
25:34 The steering wheel in Mark V models - other than the designer series is "cheap" without the faux wood trim inlay. All 1975 Mark IV cars have that.
In many ways I am indifferent between the cars. I miss my 1973 triple white Coupe dé Ville, but I like my Mark IV so much, that I after 20 years of driving it, am having it renovated with new vinyl roof, and new all over paint.
I want it to last my life time. It is so relaxing and enjoyable to drive and such a joy just to look at.
Mogens
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience I have to find a Lincoln mark four would love to compare it to a car this summer that would be awesome. I’ve never been in the mark vi or the lsc those are the only two left that I haven’t been in As far as Mark Series goes
@@What.its.like.
You are so welcome.
The spirit in which a Mark is to be enjoyed. czcams.com/video/rcRH6iiqkN0/video.html
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I own multiple classic cars and having owned both 70’s Cadillacs and currently owning a 78 Lincoln Continental and a 79 Mark V Cartier edition, the both Lincoln’s are literally the smoothest driving cars I have ever owned hands down. The 78 Lincoln Continental specifically.
They have tighter feeling, more rigid solidly put together bodies than the 70’s Cadillacs and Lincoln’s spring rates are much more softly sprung than Caddy’s by far.
BTW the 77-79 Mark V8’s weigh anywhere between 4,850lbs-5,020lbs curb weight depending on the year and the options. The sound package option, and designer series Marks,I believe used extra sound deadening material and the seats were of higher quality trim and padding thus adding the extra weight.
One thing I will say that I do not like in my Lincoln’s is the really crappy interior quality with all the cheap flimsy plastic especially on the dash. Certain switches and knobs feel extremely flimsy and the fit and finish just wasn’t that good I feel compared to the Eldorado which had much nicer interior materials IMO than the Mark V.
But Overall the Lincoln just feel better built and is more isolated from the road.
The 71-76 Cads had interior rattles as they aged, the Lincoln’s never rattle. I think a lot has to do with the frame under these Lincoln’s being so overbuilt and Ford adding extra bracing and torque boxes on these Lincoln frames vs the Caddy’s. Jack up a similar year 70’s Caddy and Lincoln and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
I love both brands, but as for the 70’s go, it’s Lincoln all the way for total quietness, riding smoothness and overall build quality.
The 60’s it’s kind of tie, but overall I like 60’s Cadillacs much better than the 60’s Lincoln Continentals of the day because I’ve also owned a 61 Lincoln Conti. I can’t stand unibody’s and those cars are notorious for rusting out and they’re generally very complex cars to work on. Great build quality though thats for sure.
The 50’s was all Cadillac. Lincoln didn’t even really compete in that era.
I totally agree with everything you said.. nothing rides like a Lincoln, they are just smooth
@@What.its.like. They definitely are, that’s why I don’t think I could ever sell my Lincoln’s, they ride too smoothly to let go. Not even modern vehicles ride as smooth or glide down the road like a 70’s Lincoln. I know because I’ve driven late model S-Classes which do ride extremely well, but they still don’t have the same kind of road isolation from harsh road impacts or that floaty squishy plush ride like my 78 Continental does. Plus even S-Class seats are hard as rock compared to my couch like cloth bench seat in my Lincoln where you literally sink in into them and it’s absolutely plush and comfortable. No modern car seat even compares or comes close to the plush comfort of car seats of 70’s luxury vehicles, nothing, period.
I have had both, and frankly it is a shame that the interior materials of both makes were cheapened so much vs. 10 years or so prior. Between the two, the Lincoln would be my choice and that was mimicked by the general public.
Totally agree =)
I own a 1975 and 1976 Cadillac Eldorado convertibles. My tag is Mark V on my 75'. It's my name but also a troll of the Mark V Lincoln...
I have a 77 Mark V
Love it, Cadillac is nice, just the Lincoln rides nicer, looks way cooler in today's environment
Totally agree the Cadillac just looks like a big brick whereas the Lincoln mark five looks really cool..
@What.its.like. I'm 56 so I used to see them on the road in California.
Always wanted one, got mine this year, so it took me a super long time.
@What.its.like. I'm lucky, it has 86,000 miles only and is pretty cherry, completely original
400 or 460 the only issue with that car is the transmission if it had a four or five speed it would be better
9:45 _I just like shoving seemingly large objects into small spaces ..._
That's what _she_ said!
Haha I try to throw humor in where I can =)
Like them boat lol
=)
Hey Jay, I really enjoy your this vs that comparison videos!!!! I owned a Mark V & really loved it. My boss had a 75 Eldorado convertible that I drove occasionally & I really enjoyed it because it was a convertible & got a lot of attention!!! Both cars are smooth & comfortable & I think that you might have found the seats in the Mark V more comfortable if the car wasn't the base model, the higher trim packages had more padding in the seats & a little different configuration!!!! Thanks for sharing this exciting video!!! 👍👍🙂
Thank you so much the Lincoln was sort of a basement model but man they offered so many different seats not sure how many different leather options I know two for sure. The style in the featured car.. and pillow side which is worlds better. A friend of the family had a 79 collectors edition it had seats like the Diamond Jubilee series and if I remember those seats where interesting.
@@What.its.like. Yes, they were very plush, my dad actually had a 78 Diamond Jubilee Edition & it was very comfortable!!! 🙂
Sounds like the Caddy might have needed new shocks, ive ridden in both and most thought the Caddy rode better back in the day
They both rode nice just the Lincoln rode better the seats were better in the Cadillac (that was Lincoln’s basement leather seat Lincoln made some really comfortable seats unfortunately that wasn’t One of them)
I own a 76 mark IV and they really cheapened out on the interior on the mark V. Also the mark V came with an optional 460 in 76 it was standard which had 202 horsepower and 356 ibs of torque.
Awesome that car sounds amazing what do you like and dislike about the car
@@What.its.like. I love the ride quality of the car like you said when you ride over bumps and you barely feel a thing. I like my perspective when driving the hood is a mile long and the Lincoln ornament really sets it off especially when it reflects back onto the hood. I don’t really care for the quality of the interior. There’s a lot of plastic and fake cheap looking wood that I don’t think a car that was 17,500 in 1976 should have used. The mark III had the best interior out of all the marks in my opinion it was more quality and consumer focused than profit focused.
did you door the 4 door comparisons ? LIncoln Town Car vs Fleetwood ?
I have not. I would love to last year I didn’t get to do a whole lot of comparisons.
Lovin' the Lincoln. Those angular lines, long hood + oval opera windows. It's a classy looking car. Cadillac was likely a firmer ride due to being a heavy convertible. Don't like Caddy dash. Idiot lights & fuel gauge hard to see. Yep! Those Ford steering wheels were generic. So were the dome lights. They changed stuff in the 80's though. The gauge package looked the same in the 80's as well. Those wire wheels class it UP further.
The turbine wheels are my favorite nothing rides like a Lincoln Cadillac comes close but nothing rides like a Lincoln
THELINCON MARK 5 TILOOOKS GOOD BAT had the 2 and love THEAM. ..
You are really spot on .I've had both cars and I always liked the Lincoln better but the Cadillac was a fun car too. The Cadillac with the front wheel drive was great in the snow but I was never a big fan of 500ci motor kind of a pig with not very good power for its size. 425 Cadillac motor was a much better motor I had in my late 70s limos and sedans. No insult to the Cadillac but I'll take the Lincoln almost always. Probably the only Cadillac I liked over the Lincoln was the Seville compared to the Versailles.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and insight that would be an awesome comparison video to do one day I’ve never been in a Lincoln Versailles.. I really want to do some oddball comparisons this year if it’s possible =)
This is the biggest car before it got shrunken . American cars became smaller in the 1980s
Cadillac shrunk before Lincoln did 76 was the last year for the huge Eldorado they shrink to roughly the same size as a 450 sl Mercedes
@@What.its.like. actually 76 was just the last year for the convertible, the Eldorado didn't downsize till the 79 model year!!
Thank you for that correction
Nice review, only wrong item stated, that stereo in the Lincoln is the upgraded 8-Track, but it was not the Quadrasonic unit.
Thank you for the correction I still can’t get over how few of options that car had.. it basically had the leather seats and the full vinyl roof didn’t have any other options
@@What.its.like. yes, we called those the ad units. Low price to get the customer in, then show them the ones with some options. We have a 78 Pucci Mark V that has lots of features and options that to me is more in line with the Lincoln brand.
I like them Both but if I had a Choice it would be the Mark 5. I prefer its looks. I feel like its a better engineered vehicle for the time. GM just slapped cars together in this era without caring about how all of it worked together. Ford did too but not on the Lincoln. They feel like a different animal than say a Granada from the same era.
I totally agree the Mark five is just a better car to me.. The Mark five has a special place in my heart it was definitely better driving experience in the Cadillac in my opinion the Cadillac seats were nicer but Lincoln offered like five or six different seat options and these were the basement leather seats
If the CPI was used to calculate price in 2022 it's probably off. Should be more since actual inflation is a lot higher.
This is the site used
www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1961?amount=2525
did you notice how big of a land that house had on the right @20:08
All those cars would well over 100mph. You would bury the needle at 100 and probably get close to 120. Both of those cars powers were detuned for gas mileage and emmissions mandates by 1976.
Yeah I should worded it different like the top speed the car can record is 120mph the car may or may not go that speed by that is the highest the speedometer can track its speed to =D
A 400 equipped Mark V will get nowhere near 120 mph.
The buyers of these cars in 1977 were different. The Lincoln was more modern and classy. The Eldorado was Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack
=D
I’ll be able to make this comparison myself in about 1 month from now.
Tell us which one you go for personally, I like the Mark five better it rides better and it’s more pointy.. nothing wrong with the Cadillac it rides good I think that Cadillac had better seats but if you got good quality leather seats in the Lincoln, it’d be second to none has more of a presence it’s not like a total brick because once again it’s pointy lol
@@What.its.like. I'll let you know. Your opinion on the seats is accurate. I've had the Lincoln since August (80k mile survivor), Collector's Edition with the Leather, they are nice, but the Cadillac's are better. While I haven't driven the Cadillac since 1994, I recall the ride being more firm (stretch term) than the Lincoln, but once I drove the Lincoln it was very familiar to what I had been used to from that era, the Cadillac. I like the pointiness of the Lincoln. This particular Cadillac is a 30k time capsule and it's in almost showroom perfect condition inside and out. Fillers are gone, and I have sourced replacements in the CORRECT soft plastic material.
The Mark V's with upgraded interiors over this standard interior not only look better, they are more comfortable.
Lincoln offered a bunch of different seat options for the mark five I agree there are better seats what comparing car to car the Cadillac seats were better but Lincoln does make a leather seat that is more comfortable than the Cadillac seat it just wasn’t in that car
As an 07 town car owner I prefer the Mark V
I’m with you man I have a soft spot in my heart for Mark five =)
Well I can tell you this I picked the Cadillac I have the same exact 1976 Cadillac convertible except I have red seats. I got to tell you four-wheel disc brakes & floats over stuff I don't know the look of it is more impressive I think than the Lincoln but they're two different cars in the luxury realm and they both have their unique coolness but I just picked the Cadillac cuz it was a convertible Etc I'll have to do a video and put it on CZcams soon but I've only owned the car for a couple months I have a ways to go on fixes!
Awesome can’t go wrong with either thank you so much for sharing your experience with your car on here =)
Well, it's LED ZEPPLIN, hold on, I'll get the song in a moment,,,,,,it's from "in through, the out door"...1979
You got the band now what song is it =)
Led Zeppelin - All of My Love
Mark v for me because I own one
Sweet choice
Having owned both a ‘78 Mark V Diamond Jubilee Edition (460) and a ‘78 Eldorado Biarritz, (425 and not a convertible) I can say that both are great cars. However, my choice would be the Mark V. They are both beautiful and both drive very well, but the Mark is just more luxurious. The Eldorado does not ride nearly as well, but has a slightly ‘sporty’ feel to it. Those soft Cadillac seats feel great at first, but for long distance travel the Lincoln seats are much better. The trunks were both small by the standard of the day - the Cadillac seemed to have more useful space due to the placement of the spare tire. The Mark V was much more solid and rattle free than the Eldorado. One small point in favor of the Caddy - I am a tall guy and when the transmission is in drive in the Lincoln, the gear lever gets in the way of my right knee. No such issue with the Caddy.
As Jay said, it’s down to personal preference. You can’t really go wrong with either car. They are both beautiful and fun to drive. MPG in both was low to mid teens, but that isn’t really a concern is it? These are all about fun and stylish comfort! I have daily driven older cars since 1997 and I am here to tell ya - you can afford a lotta gasoline without a car payment…
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience it really means a lot I totally agree the Cadillac seats are comfortable but I haven’t taken it on a really long drive I think that’s why a lot of people think that the Cadillac ride better because of the sea quality the seats in the Lincoln weren’t nice leather seats they were the basement leather seats if memory serves correct winking offered six different seat times during that era lots of different seat options but they had really nice leather pillow side seats maybe do a pillow side but they were way worse year than the seats in this car
A better Comparison would’ve been if you drove a designer series in the Lincoln
I plan on hitting all the designer series on this channel
Where’s the 1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham? That’d be my easy pick for the era…
I’ve been looking for the imperials so hard to find
I’ve never seen or been in the Chrysler’s from this time period
Also, in 47 other states the Lincoln king with a 460 which had more power and more torque
20 mile range on the Cadillac, and people complain about range in EV's....
I honestly think people just like complaining they just like to find something wrong with something and complain about it lol
This speedometer numbers have nothing to do with how fast the car can go.
Yes, car can track speed up to that number
You can't compare the quality of the ride between a hardtop and convertible. The latter will never drive as smooth as its hardtop counterpart.The Lincoln may very well provide a smoother ride but you would need a hardtop Eldorado for equal judging.
Having worked on and driven both? Hmmmm, toss up, that said I'd go with the Mark.
I agree =)
My mom an dad drove different cars my mom drove a Eldorado and dad drove the Lincoln
With the Lincoln, I'm surprised that it doesn't have a 460. The 400 and the 460 is miles apart, with the 460 having a noticeably larger physical size. The 400 is part of the "M" (modified) family which also includes the 351M(which used to be a 351 Cleaveland. What the "M" indicates is that it had the 'big-block' bolt pattern on the back so that it was the same as the 429 and 460 family. Having the 400, the Lincoln is seriously underpowered and gas mileage was erratic. Having had a 1974 1/2 400 equipped Ford car(which was rated as a gas hog, with the Olds Toronado ranking the worst gas mileage) in the family, when on a trip, when you stopped to fill up, you might find that the car got 12 mpg, but filling up after the 2nd leg of the trip, it would have gotten 26 mpg. One particular trip was on I-40, which was pretty much flat without going over any mountains.
One of the tip-offs identifying engines(not looking at the sticker on the air cleaner), the big blocks had what looked like an oil filter attached to one side of the air cleaner housing.
Although the El Dorado had a much larger engine, it was very heavy. With it's brother the Olds Toronado, the front wheel drive had no advantages like a smaller and lighter car would. Because of the excessive weight, when the road had curves, the car wanted to go straight rather than to follow the direction of the front wheels. About the only advantage was when drive slowly through a snow-covered road. The reason it didn't have torque-steer was also because of the massive weight on the front driving wheels. The transverse mounted engines and transmissions of later Cadillacs had torque steer.
My choice between the 2 cars would be the El Dorado, mainly because it is a convertible. That era using the Bendix fuel injection system wasn't that much of an advantage. Basically it sensed load through a vacuum hose going to the control unit. They also used a 2 barrel throttle body. It was basically for emissions. When equipped with a Rochester Quadrajet, when the secondaries opened, you would feel it. Those El Dorado convertibles had a nickname, which was very derogatory and I'll let you guess, "_ _ _ Canoe".
Thank you so much for taking the time to share that story as well as insight =) that’s crazy to go from 12 mpg to 26 mpg both cars could have used another gear or two it would have made them far better. Still can’t get over how smooth the Cadillac is being FWD
@@What.its.like. Yes, the Ford 400 V8 had some serious mood swings. I'd spoken with others and they had the same complaint with the 400. When my parents got their car, it was getting 6-8 mpg around town(the Toronado was rated at 4 mpg). I figured out what was going . It was the emission control system and I figured out what to bypass and the mpg around town popped up to 12. I never could figure out the erratic gas mileage. On a trip, sometimes the gas gauge moved very slowly, but when you stopped to eat or something when you started the engine, you could watch the fuel gauge sinking rapidly as you drove.
Nobody had overdrive automatics or even lock-up torque converters. Cadillac got it's first O/D automatics in 1981, but only on full size RWD models with the 4.1L Buick V6. In 1982 all RWD cars got an overdrive with the HT4100. The restyled FWD Eldorado and Seville got an overdrive automatic in 1982 behind the HT4100 V8. By 1982, GM had 3 overdrive automatics and all had teething problems which didn't get solved for several years. By the time it was worked out They had discontinued the 2 O/D automatics and with the introduction of the all-new FWD full-size Caddies in the Fall of 1983, the opened up another can of worms with a new O/D automatic transaxle.
When I worked in a Cadillac dealership my line was transmissions. There were 4 of us and we were always kept busy. Each different transmission had the same parts fail over and over. I knew every part I would need before I even brought the cars into the shop. I had a pre-made requisition order for each model of transmission which I would hand to the parts department. It was all warranty repair so we didn't need to get the car owner's OK to repair it.
This is a totally fraud comparison, the Lincoln being a coupe & Caddy being a convertible, some choices were because it was a convertible, you should have compare a Caddy Coupe with the Lincoln Coupe ... and also use the the upgraded interior in both cars ... the Lincoln Mark III, IV, V, & VI were all better than the Cad El Dor, Lincoln sales over ran the Caddy, and people preferred the Lincoln Continental Mark V, just because Government Restrictions were in place, is why smaller engines were used ... but the Lincoln Continental Mark V was by far the WINNER 🎉❤😊 ... now in 2023, the Lincoln Continental Mark V is selected and preferred, over the Caddy ... We have owned the Mark III, IV, V, VI, and VIII and one Eldorado ETC, we did not own a Mk VII ... but the Lincoln’s were far better than the Caddy’s, and we were Caddy people prior, but Lincoln from then on were the BEST ... the Caddy we had, was in the repair shop, every time the bills were: $3,200, $2800, $3,650, $8,200, the $8,200 was reticules they had to take the entire engine out of the car to repair it, and keep the car for one month ... it was nothing but trouble from the first day of ownership ... the Lincoln’s only needed regular warranted maintenance and were a much more reliable cars, better smoother ride, and so what if engine was 400 in 1979, these cars were not built to be sports cars, all of you are so petty, and do not know what the F**k your talking about ... the 🎉🎉❤❤LINCOLN CONTINENTAL MARK V 🎉🎉❤is the WINNER all the way around ... next time don’t sku your comparison use apples with apples, not apples with oranges ... you video was faulty, so do your homework right next time, understand!!!🎉
@@caesarbolchini6465 Large luxury cars were very heavy, sometimes over 1,ooo pounds more than a comparable full-size cars. Because of this, they needed large engines with lot's of torque. The Lincoln Mark series was a sports luxury touring personal luxury car from the Mark II-on. With the re-introduction of the Mark series with the Mark III, the only engine available was the 462 or 460 V8(depending on production date and model year). With fuel mileage concerns, the engine offering was the 400 V8. Lincoln Mark sales suffered due to lack of power, and if they had owned one which had been equipped with the 460 V8, they were even more unhappy when they found out that the 400 V8 got worse gas mileage. For the 1974 model year, the Ford 400 was ranked as the 2nd worst gas hog engine(6 mpg), only 2nd to the Olds Toronado with a 455 V8(4 mpg).
Now, depending of what year and model Cadillac you had and how it was equipped is a defining factor in reliability. When things really started changing with Cadillacs in 1982, lot's of teething problems happened. But things started going downhill from there. Most problems were taken care of during the warranty period with no cost to the car owner. More often than not, the problems encountered were fixed in warranty and never occurred again. If you were one of the unfortunate people to get a Cadillac with a diesel engine, there was a 100,000 mile warranty. Often, the 1978-80 diesel Cadillacs were also taken care of under extended warranty. This even included the automatic transmission on the earlier cars if you had the TH200.
How do I know? I was a Cadillac service tech in the mid-80's.
Myself, I got a 1981 Fleetwood(with the infamous, but trouble-free V8-6-4) while I was working there and I still own the car today. It has never had anything replaced or repaired outside of normal wear and tear/ preventive maintenance. It has never left anyone stranded, which is unlike the Fords and Lincolns before and after.
When I was in independent auto repair, we made alot of money working on Lincolns, which were towed in frequently. Hardly made any money off of Cadillac customers, not like Lincolns.
When somebody like me has worked in a wide service and repair fields, we have a front row seat.
I'd take the Mark V hands down
After driving both I’m right there with you. Great choice. =)
The THM 425 was designed to not torque steer.
It’s a absolute engineering Marvel the biggest engine loads of torque absolutely no torque steer
Hi I love American cars… or rather find it a point of interest. I prefer European cars, specifically French, and more specifically Citroën. I have a 1982 Citroën CX Prestige. Ever heard of the Citroën SM? Check it out. Love your videos. Can reviewers get the cars up on a lift and look at the chassis design as well?
I used to be able to get the cars up on a lift but I can’t anymore because I don’t really work at a dealership
I really want to hit the Citroen Sm this year hopefully =)
Yank Tanks! 😀
I really liked Continentals much better than Eldorados!
My mom had a '79 Continental but hers was dark green and it had dual lighted vanity mirrors, power moonroof, Ford Areospace AM/FM with cassette player and turbine spoke aluminum wheels. It was so nice! I love that the Cadillac is a convertible though and it's too bad Ford didn't offer the Continental as a convertible, but the moonroof was great. IMO the Lincolns appearance is cleaner and I believe that's due to it having better fit & finish inside and out, but I bet the Cadillac had better traction during acceleration in wet conditions with all the weight of the engine and transmission over the drive wheels up front. I remember my mom spinning the rear wheels often when it rained and the Lincoln hydroplaned too easily when trying to stop in the rain with momentary loss of steering. It was scary. And totally agree with you about the dashes in these and the same steering wheel in all Ford products. We also had a Ford Econoline and there was that same steering wheel!
Also, I never liked those body filler parts between the quarters and rear bumper on the Eldorado, it just looked clumsy and incomplete to me.
But nonetheless both very nice American cars of the time👍
That’s funny that the Lincoln hydroplane as much as it did but I could totally see that it’s hard to believe the Lincoln is bigger than the Cadillac because the Cadillac just seems massive the Lincoln doesn’t seem nearly as big as the Cadillac especially when you’re driving it it like I don’t wanna say that it isn’t big because it’s huge but it doesn’t feel nearly as huge as the Cadillac.. it sucks this Lincoln didn’t have hardly any options because they got really pricey what the options lots of options you could buy the buyer of this Lincoln didn’t use hardly any options perfect color I think maroon is one of the best colors.. we just got a powder blue one in I’ll probably feature that one it has a lot of options the vent windows the nice leather seats ,sunroof, cb radio I think it might even have the miles to empty gauge which was a huge feature I think it’s the very first car to feature a gauge such as that..
The Cadillac Road nice but the Lincoln nothing rides like a Lincoln Cadillac comes close the new Cadillac seats were super comfortable but the leather seats in the Lincoln wasn’t top-notch leather seats they were the entry level leather seats Lincoln offered a lot of different seat options for the Mark five I’m not sure how many offhand they at least offered two versions of leather seat maybe even three.. I hope to hit every variation of the Lincoln mark five series one day because I’m a huge Lincoln mark five fan they made a lot of designer series and just a lot of different options for that car.
@@What.its.like. You're right, the Eldorado does appear to be bigger, guess it's an optical illusion with them big chrome bumpers and chrome treatments, the curves in the body panels and them bulging wheel covers. The caddy looks fat😀
Looking forward to your other Mark V video. Me too, love Continentals! The designer models are hard to find too, especially those with the center consoles and the ultra nice seat treatments. Very cool!
It would be cool to track all the designer series down for one hell of a comparison =)
@@What.its.like. That really would be an awesome video!
I'll take the Lincoln any time
Me to the Lincoln in this video didn’t have good seats it would have been head and shoulders better than the Cadillac.. that Cadillac got really really bad gas mileage and the power wasn’t all that much better. I want to drive a Lincoln with a 460 I never drove a mark five with a 460 I’ve gotten to drive a couple mark fives but all of them have had the 400. The car needs another gear if it had the AOD transmission or a four speed or a five speed would be even better that car would be incredible with a five speed. The gears in the one I drove seemed tall and didn’t have the kick down power my 88 Lincoln had.
A better comparison would have been using a Lincoln with the 460 and the Cadillac hard top
I agree but this is what I had available to me and I always wanted to do the comparison better comparison with a bit of Lincoln mark four.. I still think the Lincoln’s better than the Cadillac even with the 400.. that Cadillac driving around for 20 minutes took a lot of gas lol
We actually ran out of gas Zach was driving and he was like what is that noise and I was like oh that’s the noise that the car makes right before it’s about to run out of gas. And he was like wait we’re out of gas and I was like no not yet now we are out of gas.. lol we had to push it off the road and wait for somebody to come with gas good times
@@What.its.like. Sorry to hear about that. It's a shame that the car industry back then couldn't do what they really wanted to do because of the oil embargo and the restrictions that came out that.