TROY (2004) Movie Reaction Part 2/2! | First Time Watch | Brad Pitt | Eric Bana | Orlando Bloom

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  • Achara and Steph watch Wolfgang Petersen's epic Troy, an adaptation of Homer's Illiad for the very first time. Troy stars Brad Pitt (Bullet Train, Mr & Mrs Smith, Fight Club) as Achilles, Eric Bana (Hulk, Munich) as Hector, Orlando Bloom (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Pirates of the Caribbean) as Paris, Brian Cox (Succession) as Agamemnon and Diane Kruger (Inglorious Basterds, National Treasure) as Helen.
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  • @pavinpillai
    @pavinpillai Před 12 dny +9

    The biggest villain in the whole film was Paris. Always the coward, first brought Helen to Troy so thousands could die trying to save him, then challenged someone whom he could never beat and fell on his brother's feet to save him and finally killed Achilles who actually saved his cousin. Dude even got a happy ending with Helen🤦‍♂

    • @bankai786
      @bankai786 Před 12 dny

      True. All men were brave except that treacherous greek and Cowardly Paris. I wish Hector and Achilles become friend in their afterlife. After learning about Paris, now i hate love stories and Paris city 🤣. That f*cking coward should've got his ch*pped off in the first scene. So all of this war would be avoided.

  • @ezioauditore4061
    @ezioauditore4061 Před 13 dny +347

    The only movie where Sean Bean doesn't die. And miraculously, one with major battles.

    • @panjinerdmaster
      @panjinerdmaster Před 13 dny +21

      National Treasure and Silent Hill

    • @GhostWatcher2024
      @GhostWatcher2024 Před 13 dny +14

      Its rare... but this is not the only one.
      Oddly enough... Patriot Games followed the source book pretty close UNTIL the very end.... but in the book, Sean Miller (Sean Bean's character) lives... and yet he dies in the movie... poor Sean Bean, can't even catch a break in a book adaptation.

    • @dunringill1747
      @dunringill1747 Před 13 dny +11

      Another great movie that breaks that myth is "The Martian".

    • @hadoken95
      @hadoken95 Před 13 dny +7

      @@panjinerdmaster Ronin as well.

    • @G-Denz
      @G-Denz Před 12 dny +5

      It must be awkward for him and other people to call him Mr. Bean lol.

  • @Mustang318
    @Mustang318 Před 13 dny +87

    I love the detail that Achilles pulls out all of the arrows except the one in his heel. Then, when the Greeks arrive and see his body with just that arrow, it hints at creating the myth about it being his only weakness.

  • @Chetanp1445
    @Chetanp1445 Před 13 dny +189

    The fact that a weakling like Paris killed a great warrior like Achilles is disturbingly poetic

    • @Stevarooni
      @Stevarooni Před 13 dny +32

      The rise of archery in warfare.

    • @bewilderedbeest
      @bewilderedbeest Před 10 dny +20

      In the original source material, Paris treacherously. killed Achilles with a poisoned arrow. In this movie, they made Paris a much better person than he was in the original story

    • @edwinsolis5710
      @edwinsolis5710 Před 10 dny +14

      Being fair he had literal help from Apollo because Achilles pissed him off.
      Achilles caused his own downfall for permitting blasphemy

    • @mahirabrar9110
      @mahirabrar9110 Před 9 dny +3

      @@edwinsolis5710 idk if I am remembering this correctly but I remember Patroclus actually having a decent chance to beat Hector and was actually even winning when Apollo struck him down.

    • @pasindudinusha6507
      @pasindudinusha6507 Před 9 dny +1

      @@mahirabrar9110 Oh yes in the original Patroclus was also a great fighter and only lost because of divine intervention. (Which is probably why he was able to convince troops with his act)

  • @joeynessily
    @joeynessily Před 13 dny +287

    This is one of the finest sword fights ever to be committed to film… the choreography is incredible.. you can also actually see what’s happening and the actors putting in the work, none of that shakey cam bullshit.

    • @GenghisDon1970
      @GenghisDon1970 Před 13 dny +6

      indeed!

    • @JohnSmith-wl8ts
      @JohnSmith-wl8ts Před 13 dny +1

      Yet they made a bit of a mess with the battles, like standing IN FRONT of walls. The whole point of walls is you stand behind them, standing in front was just stupid. Also most battles shown where a mass collide and mix is not what happened. Simply because you wouldn't be able to tell whos who. Instead they would have kept to their sides and gone in line by line slowly.

    • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
      @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 Před 12 dny +1

      I remember seeing a video of someone with combat/historical experience do a breakdown of the battle but said it wasn't that good. Which is hard for me to agree with. Cuz It does look great, and as someone who has done various martial arts training, the movements are as real as they can be for a movie.

    • @jovanjorgovan23
      @jovanjorgovan23 Před 12 dny +2

      @@JohnSmith-wl8ts If you're going to criticise the battle tactic be sure you know what you're talking about yourself. There is no neat formation combat in Greece for some 300 years post writing of the Iliad and 800+ years since the events supposedly took place.

    • @jovanjorgovan23
      @jovanjorgovan23 Před 12 dny +2

      @@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 A real military historian would know that there's no accuracy when it comes to the Trojan war - the descriptions of supposedly Bronze Age events we have only from 7th century poems describing 7th century practices. The film does a lot Hollywood stuff and many are necessary in the film, but overall they painted a rather ok picture of ancient warfare - duels, raids, battles in spontaneously organised groups, armies consisting of nobles and their retinues coming together, no particular chain of command beyond the noble, chariots being taxies to and from battle...Trojans are anachronistically organised in a Hellenistic Greek fashion some 300-350 years younger than the poem, and there are fantasy details here and there. But in general it is far better representation of concepts of warfare than anywhere else in the film, or even documentary (heavily influenced by a now obsolete image of unusually well organised battle lines of Greeks even in Archaic era
      ).

  • @SaldivarMG
    @SaldivarMG Před 13 dny +248

    29:30 Paris didn't know him but that young man, Aeneas, would lead the surviving Trojans far to the west where they would found a new city called... Rome.

    • @hrishikeshXXV
      @hrishikeshXXV Před 13 dny +8

      the "called" made it less epic

    • @carlogiurizzato2441
      @carlogiurizzato2441 Před 13 dny +31

      he did knew him aeneas was royalty prince and ruler, aeneas father was a first cousin of King Priam of Troy

    • @inventsable
      @inventsable Před 13 dny +22

      According to the Aeneid, which was an epic commissioned by Octavian. It was never intended to be true, just poetic political propaganda to connect Julius Caesar to Iulus, son of Aeneas, son of Aphrodite.

    • @byronabrahams871
      @byronabrahams871 Před 13 dny +3

      I was gonna make this same comment. Thank you. Its a cool legend.

    • @paulwt9783
      @paulwt9783 Před 13 dny +7

      Paris knows Aeneas, who is his cousin. Virgil took this character in order to give Rome a founding myth making it descended from Troy, and its founders/leaders descended from Trojan royalty.

  • @travismorris9303
    @travismorris9303 Před 13 dny +57

    "You're a far greater king than the one that leads this army."
    Y'all cut the line but it's the best line of the film. Eric Bana and Brad Pitt are absolutely fantastic in these roles

  • @joshuatamang6679
    @joshuatamang6679 Před 13 dny +307

    The story says the random kid Aeneas who holds the sword of Troy later lays the foundation of Roman Culture. It is mentioned in the Julius Caesar of Shakespeare too.

    • @James_Ford4815
      @James_Ford4815 Před 13 dny +29

      it's a good story but there's no truth in it at all , and thinking shakespeare was some sort of historian is quite comical lol

    • @williambranch4283
      @williambranch4283 Před 13 dny +5

      Aeneas was the son of Aphrodite ;-)

    • @juliant
      @juliant Před 13 dny +18

      ​@James_Ford4815 what is truth, other than what we choose to believe?

    • @enriconono3638
      @enriconono3638 Před 13 dny +8

      @@juliant An answer too deep and wise for a comment like that but i've appreciated it

    • @williambranch4283
      @williambranch4283 Před 13 dny +14

      @@juliant Neither what you believe or don't believe ... that is only belief. It is a fallacy to equate X with Y ... without proof. 3 = three is justifiable. Truth = beauty is poetry, not proof.

  • @Bossman68123
    @Bossman68123 Před 13 dny +164

    The scene with the king of Troy and Achilles is epic. Acting masterclass by sir Peter o tool

  • @thedarkknight2221
    @thedarkknight2221 Před 13 dny +64

    This movie has some of the best fight choreography I’ve ever seen. Particularly with the fight between Hector and Achilles.
    But the scene I REALLY loved was after the fight when Hector’s father talks Achilles into giving his son’s body back. That line of “even enemies can show respect” still gives me chills. RIP Peter O’Toole.

  • @Pochitaman30
    @Pochitaman30 Před 13 dny +135

    Achilles fighting style is a thing of beauty. His unorthodox form was art. No wonder Brad was having a hard time doing the choreography while Bana was hitting him multiple times during the fight sequences

    • @justingary5322
      @justingary5322 Před 12 dny +1

      I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
      I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
      Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
      Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
      ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
      Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant

    • @kirerunte1046
      @kirerunte1046 Před 10 dny

      ​@justingary5322 Jay dyer, if ur not eastern orthodox ur not Christian

    • @industrialman8296
      @industrialman8296 Před 7 dny +5

      Bruuuh… Mandem copying and pasting his essay now…

  • @greysea4841
    @greysea4841 Před 13 dny +108

    In Trojan culture horses were held in very high esteem. The Greeks knew this. And it was another reason why Priam did not want to see it burned. And in the final dialog from Odysseus we a hear him refer to Hector as "Tamer of horses"

    • @danielpeachey3781
      @danielpeachey3781 Před 13 dny +15

      Also horses are sacred to the god Poseidon

    • @lewstone2
      @lewstone2 Před 5 dny

      Ok, I hear you, but it wasn't horse.

    • @PrideSP
      @PrideSP Před 4 dny

      "The last time you spoke to me like this was when you were 10 and you just stolen father's horse."
      I get it now!

    • @SouryaDP
      @SouryaDP Před 4 dny

      Yeah, the Trojans revered the Gods, and thought that burning an offering that was intended for Poseidon would incur the wrath of Poseidon.
      In fact, when the seer Laocoon predicts that the Horse is not an offering but a trap, he gets bitten by a snake. While this was a ploy by Athena (in some renditions) to silence any dissent against her ruse of the Trojan Horse, this was ironically interpreted by the Trojans as punishment by Poseidon for the blasphemy against his offering.
      Thus, the own interpretations of divine interventions by the Trojans was played into by the Greeks to perfect effect.

  • @ozymandias3322
    @ozymandias3322 Před 12 dny +19

    Hector and Achilles fight scene in this movie is one of the best ever in cinema history. I've seen it 100 times and it's still fire

    • @M4TCH3SM4L0N3
      @M4TCH3SM4L0N3 Před 8 dny

      Don't sleep on the first fight with Menelaus and Paris! While significantly less spectacular, I have never seen such a salient evocation of the sensation of going to fight against someone who so far outclasses you and to know that you very well may die.

  • @Rfcfan1996
    @Rfcfan1996 Před 13 dny +95

    "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" stems from this very story.

    • @paulwt9783
      @paulwt9783 Před 13 dny +9

      as does Trojan Horse, Achilles Heel, "the face that launched a thousand ships", and on and on.

    • @MizanQistina
      @MizanQistina Před 12 dny +3

      "Don't take a gift horse in the mouth"

    • @justingary5322
      @justingary5322 Před 12 dny +1

      Exactly 💯. I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
      I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
      Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
      Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
      ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
      Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant

  • @khalidcabrero6204
    @khalidcabrero6204 Před 13 dny +26

    "Achilles was so blinded by rage....." Well, Steph, that's the very opening line of "The Illiad"
    "Sing, Goddess, sing of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus-
    that murderous anger which condemned Achaeans
    to countless agonies and threw many warrior souls
    deep into Hades"

  • @paulschuckman6604
    @paulschuckman6604 Před 13 dny +208

    Eric Bana is underrated. He's still my favorite Bruce Banner.

    • @lucassmith1886
      @lucassmith1886 Před 13 dny +18

      Same! I loved that Hulk movie I don't get all the hate it gets

    • @hardensoul7248
      @hardensoul7248 Před 13 dny +4

      ⁠@@lucassmith1886I liked it too but it was too slow and kinda too artsy for a comic book movie. But the action was really good except for the anti climatic last fight.

    • @jmzbondm
      @jmzbondm Před 13 dny +10

      His Hulk was the strongest there ever was (so far on the big screen).

    • @mixtisoreviews6880
      @mixtisoreviews6880 Před 13 dny +8

      I think severely underrated actor. Did you know Eric Bana was a comedian. His big break for his first serious role was “Black Hawk Down” which lead to other movies for him, “Troy”, “Munich”

    • @GenghisDon1970
      @GenghisDon1970 Před 13 dny +2

      yeah I wish he'd done even more. Never understood the trash talk some had for him, he was great

  • @Fernando_616
    @Fernando_616 Před 13 dny +179

    It's easy to label Achilles egotistical because of how he comes across, but in reality he was the one with the most understanding of how their world worked and was really just speaking plainly and honestly

    • @LMaximus904
      @LMaximus904 Před 13 dny +20

      He understood everything but himself. He said to patroclus that he taught him to fight but not why to fight. Then warned him not to fight for Kings. Then that's what achilles did. He contradicted himself. He fought for his ego and asked questions later. It was only hours after killing Hector did his brain catch up with his actions.

    • @GenghisDon1970
      @GenghisDon1970 Před 13 dny +9

      he IS utterly egotistical, but is also wise & unlike those we despise with the quality, all to common today, HE REALLY IS AWESOME. Still, the movie does a good job leaving the audience members to decide for themselves what his fatal flaw was or in what combination; Rage, or Hubris (or put it another way, but those are the 2 options in my mind)

    • @user-dc7mf8pc1m
      @user-dc7mf8pc1m Před 13 dny

      Achilles is a class A narcissist and a shit person.

    • @testgravityy
      @testgravityy Před 13 dny +6

      ​@@LMaximus904meh, he didn't fight willingly for a king at any point, definitely for his ego/the prophecy of people remembering his name though

    • @miguelcamacho4595
      @miguelcamacho4595 Před 13 dny +5

      I mean, if you read the books, it was all the will of the gods.

  • @Rfcfan1996
    @Rfcfan1996 Před 13 dny +72

    Agamemnon was actually killed when he got home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new man (the Trojan war lasted 10 years) as before he left he sacrificed their daughter Iphigenia to calm the seas before they set sail for Troy. As you can probably tell Clytemnestra wasn't exactly pleased with that so she got her revenge (ten years in the making but still).

    • @leonardobraynen1524
      @leonardobraynen1524 Před 13 dny +3

      She also murdered Breseis presumably giving Aga a bubble bath!
      😅

    • @pasindudinusha6507
      @pasindudinusha6507 Před 9 dny +1

      Agamemnon is a piece of shit in every take of this story. lmao.

    • @lewstone2
      @lewstone2 Před 5 dny +1

      Ten years?!? Damn, she played the long game.

    • @nicklepin7133
      @nicklepin7133 Před 5 dny

      That was Cassandra who Agamemnon brought back with him and who died

  • @RogueHippie13
    @RogueHippie13 Před 13 dny +67

    34:20 The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus’s return trip to Greece from the Siege of Troy, the Siege itself is part of The Iliad(another name for Troy was “Ilion”, hence the story being The Iliad). Which is why scholars thought it was just myth until they discovered the ruins in the 1800.

    • @Wickerrman
      @Wickerrman Před 13 dny +10

      And The Aeneid is the story of Aeneas' journey to eventually found Rome. I love that the story includes nods to both of them and not just The Iliad.

    • @inventsable
      @inventsable Před 13 dny

      The one who "discovered" Troy was a well known con-man who'd claimed to have found it several times earlier. It's still widely disputed. People agree it probably did exist, but not every one agrees that Schliemann was credible in the slightest.

    • @paulwt9783
      @paulwt9783 Před 13 dny +2

      @@Wickerrman yes been awhile since I read it but iirc the Aeneid has an Iliad homage half and an Odyssey homage half.

    • @jaguarwarrior866
      @jaguarwarrior866 Před 13 dny +2

      @RogueHippie13 I wonder if CinePals would be Interested in Doing a 'Reaction' Video to The Odyssey (1997 miniseries) Starring Armand Assante. we should suggest it.

    • @justingary5322
      @justingary5322 Před 12 dny

      I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
      I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
      Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
      Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
      ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
      Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant

  • @hrishikeshXXV
    @hrishikeshXXV Před 13 dny +20

    The word hectoring comes from this moment when Achilles was yelling Hector's name, taunting him to come and fight

  • @tomaskennedy
    @tomaskennedy Před 12 dny +5

    21:47 "I loved my son from the moment he opened his eyes 'til the moment you closed them." Amazing line…

  • @66JesterDeath
    @66JesterDeath Před 13 dny +55

    Hector is a true hero, leads from the front, gives great advice and then knows he can't match Achilles and will die trying but goes anyway

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 Před 11 dny

      In the actual story Achilles chased him around the walls

  • @undbiter65
    @undbiter65 Před 13 dny +75

    Hector is so honorable. Achilles removes his helm and honor compels him to remove his. Beautiful detail

  • @ianjardine7324
    @ianjardine7324 Před 13 dny +9

    Achilles is more understandable as a character when you knowthe full story. He was cheated of godhood and immortality because Zeus feared his potential. Zeus tricked his mother a demigod into falling in love with a mortal so that Achilles could never rise and challenge his power. Unlike everyone else Achilles understood the gods and hated them and the twisted games they played with the lives of mortals so he set out to create a legacy with what little time he had to overshadow even Zeus. He accepted his death because he aways knew how his story would end.

  • @theairgat
    @theairgat Před 13 dny +11

    Peter o’toole gave us such a moving role, his conversation with Achilles is so heartfelt

  • @meadmaker4525
    @meadmaker4525 Před 13 dny +30

    If I remember right, I think Achilles dragged Hector's body around the city walls for a couple of days or something. Psychological warfare of a kind.

    • @Wickerrman
      @Wickerrman Před 13 dny +13

      Yep, he obliterates Hector's body till it's barely recognisable. It's horrible as written in the book.

    • @briandalke5946
      @briandalke5946 Před 13 dny +6

      Wasn't for a couple days I think, but he did do several trips around the city to ensure that all of Troy could see that their champion had been killed.

    • @tbor1277
      @tbor1277 Před 12 dny +6

      I also remember that this angered the gods. Which led to them siding with Apollo to guide an arrow to Achilles' heel leading to his death.

  • @TBoring
    @TBoring Před 13 dny +9

    The ultimate tragedy with the battle between Hector and Achilles, is they’re both good men. In most movies when we build up a fight, there’s someone we’re rooting for and someone we’re rooting, but here we don’t want either of them to lose, and while Achilles does act barbarically after the fight it’s understandable because everyone has had their anger get the better of them. We see that Achilles even regrets his anger as cries over Hector.
    Now some irony that was left out of the movie, while Paris is the one that ultimately struck down Achilles, Paris was struck down when he got hit with a poisoned arrow. In the story the rush Paris to his ex-girlfriend, Oenone, a nymph that Paris had left when he was given Helen by Aphrodite. They took him to Oenone because she had extensive knowledge of poisons and how to heal them, but she was so heartbroken over Paris abandoning her she let him die from the poison.

  • @jamesteele5726
    @jamesteele5726 Před 13 dny +22

    Orlando Bloom has stated that his Paris character is his least favorite of any he has played. I can see why, not really heroic. Good reaction Ladies!

    • @marceljohnson2215
      @marceljohnson2215 Před 21 hodinou

      Yeah but I still don’t consider it an inaccurate representation of him as a person 😂. I literally dislike the guy, the only person I dislike more is James Franco. He’s not Legolas, he’s Paris and Will Turner to me 😂, trash

  • @GenghisDon1970
    @GenghisDon1970 Před 13 dny +10

    "The rage of Achilles is a central theme in Homer’s epic poem, the Iliad." It's effectively the "tagline" thousands of years ago!

  • @no.1spectator39
    @no.1spectator39 Před 13 dny +20

    Paris was shot with a poison arrow by an archer named Philoctetes right after he shot Achilles, but is not shown in the movie.

  • @Bodyknock
    @Bodyknock Před 13 dny +15

    I absolutely love the fight choreography in the scenes with Achilles, especially the duel with Hector. They do such a great job of showing Hector is a formidable fighter but Achilles fights with such a unique, aggressive style that you can tell from the outset the he fights from his own plateau looking down at everyone else.

  • @jean-philippedoyon9904
    @jean-philippedoyon9904 Před 13 dny +16

    Sorry to repeat but: Lot of insane top tier actor...but really the one in that movie that is the best in every single scene is Peter O'toole as King Priam. His speech are the stuff of legend and his one to one conversation with Achilles is top tier acting ! What they say too..."Achilles: If i do this, it doesn't change anything. Your still my enemy in the morning", Priam: Your still my enemy tonight...but even enemy can show respect..."Something people tend to forget !

  • @kingscorpion7346
    @kingscorpion7346 Před 13 dny +25

    "Beware Greeks bearing gifts." and in Star Trek:
    "Beware Romulans bearing gifts."
    I wish that they had made a sequel to this, about Odysseus' trip home, starring Sean Bean.

    • @prashant-bm4fp
      @prashant-bm4fp Před 13 dny +1

      That would be a grand scale movie which include lots of CGI

    • @kingscorpion7346
      @kingscorpion7346 Před 13 dny

      @@prashant-bm4fp well, get the geniuses at ToHo, the ones that worked on Godzilla Minus One on the job!🤩

    • @briandalke5946
      @briandalke5946 Před 13 dny +2

      It likely would have been difficult given the Odyssey is heavy 'monster of the week' storywise and they were going for realism. But still would have loved to see it given the amazing job Sean Bean did in the role. He's one of the very few actors who seemed to have read the myths and use them in his portrayal.

  • @GhostWatcher2024
    @GhostWatcher2024 Před 13 dny +6

    The really important part of this movie....
    Is that Sean Bean lived.

  • @matthewcostello3530
    @matthewcostello3530 Před 13 dny +21

    it's the beginning of the 10 yrs trip back to Ithaca called the Odyssey

  • @ZeEvilOne
    @ZeEvilOne Před 13 dny +97

    So here's a fun fact and a not so widely known bit of history,
    when Paris gave the sword of Troy to Aeneas, who lead the surviours out into the land of what is modern day Turkey, he actually departed on a pilgrimage to find a place where they could be safe and ultimately rebuild, and the place he found was Italy, and once there the people of Troy resided in a city in Italy in which Aeneas' great desendent Romulus eventually ruled, a city which spanned a great empire,
    ...and that city was Rome.

    • @havok6280
      @havok6280 Před 13 dny +18

      Yeah... Aeneas wasn't "some random kid". His wife was Paris's sister.

    • @SouryaDP
      @SouryaDP Před 13 dny +11

      Yes, as per Greek Mythology, the boy Aeneas was the son of the Greek Goddess Aphrodite, who, along with Apollo and Poseidon, saved him multiple times in battle from the sword of both Diomedes and Achilles. When the Gods learned of the plot of the Trojan Horse, Aphrodite warned him specifically of the plot, and Aeneas and his followers left Troy to found a new city state to build their lives. The place they finally ended up was in Rome (Lavinium).

    • @AnSaPaRaDiSe
      @AnSaPaRaDiSe Před 13 dny +9

      Beacuse is not history, is fantasy

    • @prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl
      @prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl Před 13 dny +3

      Ite nott history ..its what shakespear said in his caeser play

    • @Leon-oc4em
      @Leon-oc4em Před 13 dny +4

      ​@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl the aeneid was written by virgil first, way before Shakespeare

  • @Jayjay-ef2gt
    @Jayjay-ef2gt Před 13 dny +17

    18:31 I don't think Achilles was playing with him at all. I think Hector is the only opponent that ever really made him work for it

    • @leonardobraynen1524
      @leonardobraynen1524 Před 13 dny +5

      I think its both.
      Early on yeh but Hector tired and it was cat play with its food for Achilles.

    • @prashant-bm4fp
      @prashant-bm4fp Před 13 dny +1

      ​@@leonardobraynen1524after the stone thing

  • @Jimbobwalton-iq1ij
    @Jimbobwalton-iq1ij Před 13 dny +11

    As the son of Peleus, a human father, and a divine mother, the sea goddess Thetis, Achilles was mortal. However, Thetis tried to make him at least invulnerable and immersed him in the river Styx, which separates the underworld from the upper world. However, the spot on Achilles' heel where she held his hand remained unmarred by the river's water and thus became the only vulnerable spot.
    In the best-known versions of Achilles' death, he was struck in the vulnerable Achilles' heel by Apollo himself or by a perhaps poisoned arrow from Paris, which was directed by Apollo. Thus the Achilles' heel from mythology became the namesake of the human Achilles tendon.
    It's a pity that the gods don't play an important role in the movie, because they are, but that would be too much for a movie. Greetings from Germany

  • @Desertfox201
    @Desertfox201 Před 13 dny +13

    The one time Sean Bean doesn't die everyone else does.

  • @Vulcanerd
    @Vulcanerd Před 9 dny +2

    "Everybody hold in your pee, poops and farts!" is what I tell my body when I'm on a date 😂

  • @parsman9914
    @parsman9914 Před 13 dny +16

    In Iliad Menelaus actually survived and took Helen back to Sparta.

  • @seanbumstead1250
    @seanbumstead1250 Před 13 dny +83

    Hector knows he goes to die,but he's not afraid

    • @undbiter65
      @undbiter65 Před 13 dny +17

      Idk about not afraid. But duty compels him to. So he does it.

    • @hkdarthcadeus1555
      @hkdarthcadeus1555 Před 13 dny +34

      He was afraid. He just went anyway. Thats bravery boys

    • @MerryTree-ce5ok
      @MerryTree-ce5ok Před 13 dny

      He is more stupid than brave......he should have warned Achilles to Return and killed him if Achilles refused to Return. Fate of the Kingdom is more important than Fate of a Single person.

    • @ilipap3695
      @ilipap3695 Před 13 dny

      you don't have read Iliad of course

    • @MerryTree-ce5ok
      @MerryTree-ce5ok Před 13 dny +2

      @@ilipap3695 I am responding on the basis of the movie, and the Iliad has many versions.

  • @khalidcabrero6204
    @khalidcabrero6204 Před 13 dny +6

    I dislike the modern usage of the term "tragedy" to mean any generic bad event, including diseases & natural disasters, external forces beyond our fault and control. You have it right - for the Greeks, "tragedy" is self-inflicted, usually by idiocy, hubris and mistakes. Tragedy is a human drama, what makes it "tragic" is that it is driven by avoidable errors and misunderstandings.

  • @michaelriddick7116
    @michaelriddick7116 Před 13 dny +9

    "HEEECTOOOOOOR!!!" 😮 Goosebumps EVERYTIME!!!
    LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!! 💪😎💪

    • @michaelriddick7116
      @michaelriddick7116 Před 13 dny +4

      The over the Hector's shoulder camera shot, showing 15:18 Achilles standing there waiting is PERFECT! He's intimidating AF!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

    • @michaelriddick7116
      @michaelriddick7116 Před 13 dny +1

      Great reaction you two!! Glad ya'll liked it! 😊

  • @kenpullig1652
    @kenpullig1652 Před 13 dny +3

    Peter O'Toole can do more with a few lines than most actors can do with an entire movie. RIP.

  • @renee7407
    @renee7407 Před 13 dny +13

    Hector’s death was so sad, Eric Bana was perfect. I was a huge fan of Brad Pitt in the 90’s and was kinda over him when this movie came out, needless to say he was great as well! Great reaction!!!

    • @marceljohnson2215
      @marceljohnson2215 Před 21 hodinou

      I consider Achilles to be Brad’s best character honestly and yeah Eric Bana is great and a bit underrated

  • @SouryaDP
    @SouryaDP Před 13 dny +76

    I know people might not like Paris for killing Achilles, but the thing is, from his point of view, Achilles mercilessly killed Hector and dragged the body behind his chariot. Here Achilles was, in a beautiful target position, and Paris avenged his brother.
    That’s the thing about this story, each of the main characters has a motivation which we stand behind (except Agamemnon, who was downright greedy and power hungry, but it was true to the source material, where he was just as bad as well). You can take anyone’s side in this story, and still feel satisfied about it….

    • @senzanome7302
      @senzanome7302 Před 13 dny +19

      Exactly, I don’t even like Paris but I would never hate him for killing Achilles, from his pov all he is as killer and a monster, capable of no feelings no love, no mercy. Also in that moment he might’ve thought Achilles was about to take her slave or something bad to her so he had to make a quick decision

    • @John-ir4id
      @John-ir4id Před 13 dny +14

      In my opinion, Paris was a fool whose actions caused just about everything to follow. Arrogant enough to break a peace treaty for lust and too cowardly to accept the consequences of his actions when he was beaten by the stronger man, even hiding behind his brother and getting him killed and then hiding behind the walls for the rest of the film and sniping at Achilles to defeat him.

    • @veronventris2726
      @veronventris2726 Před 13 dny

      He can't fight war, but wants girl. Such a loser and shoots arrows from the back when someone is not fighting him. Such a shit guy....

    • @vinsanity40k
      @vinsanity40k Před 13 dny +4

      makes you wonder if he really did incur the wrath of apollo

    • @John-ir4id
      @John-ir4id Před 13 dny

      @@vinsanity40k No. No it doesn't. The Gods do not exist.

  • @cosimodemedici1530
    @cosimodemedici1530 Před 13 dny +8

    Agamemnon didn't die in Troy, he was killed when he returned home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new lover Aegisthus

  • @bugzy510_
    @bugzy510_ Před 13 dny +9

    Paris was the real villain.

    • @marceljohnson2215
      @marceljohnson2215 Před 21 hodinou

      😂yeah he was worse than Agamemnon. A man who can’t control his lust that ruined his family and country

  • @hbarzun19
    @hbarzun19 Před 12 dny +2

    Really Paris and Agamemnon are the dual villains of the story, while Hector and Achilles are the dual heroes, propping them up and fighting their battles for them.

  • @RedLorryYellowLorry_
    @RedLorryYellowLorry_ Před 7 dny +2

    This is my undisputed 'Greatest Film Ever Made'.

  • @kevinsmith4429
    @kevinsmith4429 Před 9 dny +2

    In the original story Achilles only weak spot was his heel. That came from his mother dipping him in a spring of magical waters. The only place that was not touched was where she held him , his heel.That is here the term "Achilles heel" comes from & is still used today.

  • @jackwalsh6758
    @jackwalsh6758 Před 13 dny +7

    I recommend The Last of the Mohicans (1992) by Michael Mann, starring Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe.

  • @Elnis888
    @Elnis888 Před 13 dny +3

    The fight between Achilles and Hector is - for my money - the best melee fight in a fantasy/historic film. The build-up, the characterization, the dance-like choreography, the use of shields and weapons, the tension ... all absolutely top tier! To me, this film just seems to be generally underrated.
    Also: I would vote Hector (as portrayed by Eric Bana) one of the best blockbuster movie role-models for young men. If you want to be a classically "good man", look to Hector.

  • @RogueHippie13
    @RogueHippie13 Před 13 dny +25

    29:35 Aeneas is a cousin to Hector & Paris, and supposedly the ancestor of Remus & Romulus who founded Rome

    • @inventsable
      @inventsable Před 13 dny +3

      Not "supposedly" at all. Just the plot of the Aeneid, a poem commissioned by Octavian to prove he had lineage from Aphrodite. It was political propaganda and never intended to be true even at the time it was written.

  • @DavidArriola
    @DavidArriola Před 11 dny +2

    16:36 I am so glad you are watching the version with the original soundtrack. The Bluray version (director's cut) butchered the score during Hector vs Achiles duel.

  • @namansinghnegi8931
    @namansinghnegi8931 Před 11 dny +1

    As per Iliad the seige of Troy lasted for 10 years. This movie squeezes the entire thing and paints Achilles in a very positive light.

  • @scottlouis
    @scottlouis Před dnem

    “You gave me peace. In a lifetime of war.” Devastating line. And the men finding him w the one arrow in his heel is where the legend is born.

  • @paulschmick869
    @paulschmick869 Před 13 dny +3

    There should be a drinking game for every time Steph says "devastating".😊

  • @thedarknesscallingme
    @thedarknesscallingme Před 7 dny +1

    The Illiad's actual story is far darker:
    1 - Helen goes with Paris pretty much out of boredom and was merely using Paris for fun
    2 - After the duel between Menalus and Paris, Helen chastises him as a weakling and a coward
    3- Menalus survives the Torjan War and Helen asks for his forgiveness, which he grants and they sail home
    4- The Trojan War actually went on for 10 years before they decided to build the horse as a way of getting inside the city
    5 - Patriclus was Achilles' lover not his cousin
    6 - Agamemnon sacrificed his young daughter to ask Poseidon to makes the seas calm so the ships could sail without issue.
    7 - When Agamemnon returned home he was murdered by his wife and her lover
    8 - Odysseus goes on his own great journey to reach home after the war ends (The Odyssey) and along the way he visits the underworld and meets the ghost of Achilles who tells him that he was wrong to have gone to war, that although the world will forever know his name it wasnt worth the price of fame.

  • @Kickinthescience
    @Kickinthescience Před 13 dny +9

    It’s amazing how easily this war could’ve been avoided

  • @Ragsit
    @Ragsit Před 12 dny +3

    Is it strange that in ancient india , there was a great battle Mahabharata, duryodhana was made immortal by his mother's powers but his thighs were his weakness. Like Achilles heel. Hindus also burn the dead. But what shocked me was when Achilles said we mourn for 12 days and no war untill then,,, exactly what we practice even today. We grieve for 12 days and 13th day is feast of mourning. So many parallel between greek and indian mythology, its crazy.

    • @vishmoon
      @vishmoon Před 9 dny

      Yes we survived our ancient culture but Greeks and Egyptian didn't

  • @Harsh12351
    @Harsh12351 Před 6 dny +1

    Achara trying to defend Helen at the end and them fumbling along the way 😂

  • @jamielee7943
    @jamielee7943 Před 10 dny +1

    I love this movie! Really glad you girls enjoyed it too.
    As an Australian I have been a fan of Eric Bana for a long time. Such an underrated actor but one of my faves. He’s pitch perfect in Troy. Hector is such an epic character. This is probably my favourite Brad Pitt movie. He’s so great as Achilles! Both of them are legendary in Troy.
    I adore Rose Byrne as Briseis. I love the romance between her & Achilles. “You gave me peace in a lifetime of war” always hits me in the feels 😍
    Peter O’Toole is one of the greatest actors to ever walk the earth. The scene between him & Brad Pitt is just so damn good.
    I don’t care how historically accurate it is… I accept the movie for what it is.
    What a cast!!!! What a story!!!! Fantastic film!!!!!

  • @saylosrelyks8645
    @saylosrelyks8645 Před 13 dny +2

    The fight scene between Hector and Achilles is so freaking cool and it has some amazing choreography, a literal dance of warriors. The film does a good job at making you root for both of them, Hector is a great man and Achilles is a great warrior and they are easily the best written characters in the film, also yes this was young Odysseus, the battle of Troy was before his exploits with the Cyclops and such.

  • @baronvg
    @baronvg Před 13 dny +3

    Man, it’s so sad there was never an Odyssey sequel starring Sean Bean. I can only take comfort knowing it probably exists in a parallel universe lol

  • @FrancoNogueira666
    @FrancoNogueira666 Před 11 dny +1

    When Paris turned into Legolas i said "now it's game over"😂😂

  • @brawly
    @brawly Před 13 hodinami

    This movie is one of the most stacked movies ever. Just an insane cast of people who had either already been huge then or blew up in fame after.

  • @cyndigirl418
    @cyndigirl418 Před 3 dny

    The moment that always gets me is when Achilles realizes that his cousin is dead, you can just feel the hurt and see the pain on his face instantly! Superb acting by Brad Pitt! ❤❤

  • @javierramosviscarra4620
    @javierramosviscarra4620 Před 12 dny +1

    Sweet fact: Aeneas (the random kid who recieve from Paris the sword of Troy at the end of the movie) will eventually be one of the founders of Rome in the myths, so yeah, he become very important after the Troy war

  • @nemoergo5594
    @nemoergo5594 Před 11 dny +1

    29:37 "You just gave a random kid the sword? He better be someone important later on." Well, Achara wasn't totally wrong.
    He led his people across the sea, to a far-off land where he broke the heart of a woman named Dido. She would go on to found a city called Carthage.
    And the boy would have a pair of grandkids, who ended up feral children, one of which was named Romulus- the mythical Founder of Rome and its people.
    Both the boy Paris entrusted with the sword of Troy and the woman he spurned were gone. But their successors fought a bloody war that destroyed Carthage, the heirs of Troy would go on to visit the horrors their forefathers endured on countless civilizations until German barbarians put an end to it much the same way.
    Because Legend is Cyclical and so is History.

  • @bewilderedbeest
    @bewilderedbeest Před 10 dny +2

    To be fair to Helen, she had no choice, because Aphrodite cast a love spell over her, making her fall in love with Paris against her will. This movie took a lot of artistic license with the original source material. Helen and Menelaus were actually happily married. Helen inherited the throne of Sparta from her stepfather King Tyndareus and Menelaus became King of Sparta through marriage to Helen. If Helen hadn't been enchanted by Aphrodite she would not have run off with the very vain, shallow, cowardly Paris, who died during the war, while Menelaus took Helen home to Troy, and forgave her for running off with Paris..

  • @inquisitordalius3388
    @inquisitordalius3388 Před 10 dny +1

    Achilles had 2 known sons, Pyrrhus and Oneiros. Pyrrhus, also known as Neoptolemus, entered into the Trojan War and is attributed to many deeds during that time. He went on to have a son, Molossus, and down the line a ways (after several generations) had a daughter, Olympia, who was the mother of Alexander the Great.

  • @chadbailey7038
    @chadbailey7038 Před 13 dny +6

    Hector v. Achilles, One of the BEST fight scenes in a film, still til this day! 👏🏾 😤. Great reaction ladies!

  • @mbrooks1991
    @mbrooks1991 Před 13 dny +7

    Lord Stark and Jeor Mormont in the same movie

    • @mmaheshwary
      @mmaheshwary Před 13 dny +4

      You would never think Lord Stark would stab Mormont in the back, but we have proof.

    • @mbrooks1991
      @mbrooks1991 Před 12 dny

      @@mmaheshwary I know right

  • @joshuacampbell7493
    @joshuacampbell7493 Před 13 dny +26

    Now, watch Brad Pitt again in Fury & World War Z. It's totally worth it 👌.

  • @bewilderedbeest
    @bewilderedbeest Před 10 dny +1

    Menelaus was not a Spartan. He and his brother Agamemnon were natives of Mycenae and members of the Mycenaean royal family. Menelaus became king of Sparta after marrying Helen, who was the stepdaughter of King Tyndareus of Sparta. This movie depicted Menelaus and Agamemnon as villains, but in the myths, the brothers are usually presented as heroes. Agamemnon didn't force the Greek kings to come to Troy. They came because they had all sworn an oath to Tyndareus that if Helen was ever kidnapped, they would all come together to rescue her.

  • @ScottTrolls
    @ScottTrolls Před 13 dny +6

    the trojan war took about 10 years. and it didn't take 12 days after the death of Hector before the Horse. they made it look like the war took 15 days.

  • @Satyam2105
    @Satyam2105 Před 13 dny +1

    I studied literature in my undergrads. I watched this for my Greek Mythology paper. What a performance!

  • @VenkataPraneethMareedu
    @VenkataPraneethMareedu Před 10 dny +1

    Did you know that The One thing that both of you talked about :- "True Love" isn't actually True Love at all? Well, according to the Iliad, there was a celebration to which a Goddess wasn't invited. So she took a Golden Apple and threw it in front of Paris who was a Shepherd (some odd duties). Two Goddesses, Athena and Venus wanted that Golden Apple and reasoned, argued and bribed Paris. Finally Athena promised the Most Beautiful Woman in the World as the final prize to which Paris agreed. She asked cupid t fake love between Paris and Helen during the initial days of that Multi day meeting that we see in the movie. That's how they felt True Love when it was just Fabricated......
    I guess they didn't want to show any Celestial involvement in the war, therefore they didn't.

  • @spelaeologus
    @spelaeologus Před 13 dny +6

    Great reaction -- both of you!
    What an epic! Talking about what we now call, A Greek Tragedy -- wow! The acting was amazing, full of current and upcoming stars, and the story gets people interested in ancient history in a way few movies can or have ever done.
    Thanks for sharing this -- so what's next?

  • @No1Knows
    @No1Knows Před 13 dny +9

    Who else won't watch a channel's split reaction to a single movie until all parts have been posted?

  • @jessm.porthos
    @jessm.porthos Před 13 dny +5

    I remember from an interview Brad Pitt did that when he and Eric Bana were practicing for their fight … every time one of them messed/accidentally hit the other they had to make a donation to the charity of the others choosing lol.

    • @prashant-bm4fp
      @prashant-bm4fp Před 13 dny +1

      And Brad Pitt was the one who gave all the charity😂😂😂😂😂

  • @technofilejr3401
    @technofilejr3401 Před 5 dny +1

    17:46, that scratch probably won Hector a measure of respect from Achilles. In all of those battle Achilles barely gets touched let alone spend that much time on one guy.
    Also up until this point, I think Achilles was half way toying with Hector. That scratch probably made him think "Crap this guy is pretty good, better wrap this up."

  • @vincentpuccio3689
    @vincentpuccio3689 Před 13 dny +2

    Agamenone does not die at Troy. Before the war started, he sacrificed his own daughter for a Fairwind to Troy. His wife waited 10 years till he came home and then had her lover kill him in his bath.

  • @jovanjorgovan23
    @jovanjorgovan23 Před 13 dny +3

    Achilles wasn't immortal originally and the heel is a very late tradition, not present in the Iliad or other epic poems. They played nicely with how the legends are made having him remove the lethal arrows but not the one from the heel

  • @drew63215
    @drew63215 Před 9 dny

    One of the best and most realistic line was only two words..."Bird signs?" Lol

  • @axelmolina1031
    @axelmolina1031 Před 10 dny +1

    I remember that in the mythology book, Achilles rode his horse dragging hector's body multiple times circling troy

  • @TheRealZAD
    @TheRealZAD Před 12 dny +1

    AHHHH I'm so glad y'all reacted to this movie. I love it SO MUCH! Has such pristine acting in it and one of my ALL TIME Favorite movie quotes. Love It! I didn't realize it had been 20 years since it had came out, but THANKFULLY, 20 years later, we have the PERFECT soundbite to play, in a moment that I've been thinking it For Years!!!! When Hector took off that helmet and realized it wasn't Achilles he killed, his facial expression said, "This is when he knew, he f***ed up. " 😂😂😂 He looked so defeated like...DAMN! And I'm so glad we had the Priam and Achilles scene in the movie. Even though I knew he was in Full Rage Mode when he killed Hector and desecrated his body, it took Priam to bring back out his humanity, and when all the adrenaline of the day was gone and Achilles wept over Hector's body, it was a great way to notate, "Ok. He's back. This is the Achilles we like." And the,"I'll see you soon, Brother," line to Hector...👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

  • @AbirbhavMukherjee
    @AbirbhavMukherjee Před 12 dny +1

    The man Paris gave his sword to is Aeneas. Aeneas and Anchises (Father of Aeneas, carried by him to safety outside Troy) are considered to be the ancestors of Romulus ---- the founder of ROME ..

  • @FilmmakerReactions
    @FilmmakerReactions Před 13 dny +2

    Interesting epilog: The kid who got the sword of troy for safekeeping and his group later became the founders of a small village called ROME. Also there is archeological evidence that suggests that troy really was sacked and burned to the ground by the Greeks. So probably the whole story was based in a real event later embellished by Homer.

    • @Valkyraw
      @Valkyraw Před 2 dny

      cool story bro but the trojans have nothing do to with rome or romans. they are anatolians and they fled east not west. my ancestors, not greeks or romans ancestors.

  • @jaytee6563
    @jaytee6563 Před 12 dny +1

    The boy Aneas who Paris gave the sword to was an ancestor of Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome

  • @michaelleung4816
    @michaelleung4816 Před 13 dny +1

    The guy Paris gave the sword to is Aeneas. He will lead the survivors to Italy and found a town that will one day become Rome.

  • @DanIel-fl1vc
    @DanIel-fl1vc Před 13 dny +3

    The premise is traditional, hero/villain fighting over a princess. But that's dropped early and instead starts an epic family drama.
    You killed my brother, you killed my cousin, you killed my son, you killed my husband. A lot of emotions back and forth and then a final battle where everyone dies except the culprit Paris and the priestess. Could easily turn it into a sitcom about quarreling neighbors.
    Considering what it is on paper the film makers did a really good job with it.
    I think it'd be very difficult to do it better

    • @ineedpowers5151
      @ineedpowers5151 Před 11 dny

      In the actual Illiad Paris do die right after killing Achilles

  • @MITAKA9
    @MITAKA9 Před 12 dny +1

    The random kid is Aeneas, whose descendants are Romulus and Remus, founders of Rome.

  • @wichard1994
    @wichard1994 Před 12 dny +1

    It was seven years of war between Greece and Troy. After their defeat, the Persia empire seek revenge against the Greeks, right after they took the Aegean Sea.

  • @SammyxSweetheart.02
    @SammyxSweetheart.02 Před 11 dny +1

    Briseis 2:44 3:17 3:36 4:12 4:27 4:40
    4:49
    12:50
    Hector vs Achilles16:30 17:21 18:30
    Father visiting achilles 20:55 22:15
    “U gave me peace in a lifetime of war”
    32:36

  • @solar2k6
    @solar2k6 Před 13 dny +5

    Let the record show that Briseis literally had Achilles under her blade and could’ve potentially ended the war and saved hectors life but instead chose the 🍆

  • @Dr.NidhiMishra
    @Dr.NidhiMishra Před 12 dny +1

    -It's said it was actually apollo (she always looked upon troy) that guided paris's arrow through his heel due to some disagreement or competition between the gods because some sided with greeks and some with trojans.
    -Also Patroclus was never Achilles's cousin, he was what they said his "close companion" (take that as you will) since forever and played quite a big part in the war itself.
    -Additionally I believe Agaememnon was killed by his wife and her new lover once he returned back as the trojan war lasted about 10-12 years. In the way of getting to Troy they faced difficulties with the winds not be appropriate enough to sail so he sacrificed his own daughter as an offering to the gods
    -In the mythology Troy is not completely destroyed by Achilles so I think Oddyseus brings in Neoptolemus or Pyrrhus (Achille's son) and it is he who kills many of Trojan royals and finally completely takes down Troy
    I think this is so tragic because both Hector and Achilles were good people, Achilles specifically was raised to fulfill this prophecy of being the greatest warrior. Thats all he'd ever known so ofcourse when the time came thats all he chose, and I believe his anger was the biggest issue hence 'The Illiad' BUT he did show small acts of mercy throughout.

  • @bcn1gh7h4wk
    @bcn1gh7h4wk Před 13 dny +1

    to put things in perspective, the physics behind Achilles's performance with his shield wouldn't be written and understood until several hundred years later.
    rotation of bodies, leverage, balance, momentum, etc, all physical principles that lead to advanced ballistics and siege weaponry... Achilles here was so skilled and dedicated to training, he unlocked the next research tree.