What is the FMCSA's new entry-level driver training rule?
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2021
- In this video, we explore the FMCSA's new entry-level driver training requirement set to take effect on February 7, 2020. We discuss to whom the rule will apply and what the entry-level driver training will entail. We also discuss the agency's Training Provider Registry and how drivers will find certified training providers.
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Things are so different then when I got my CDL in the 1960s, I grew up on the farm, so by the time I was.14, I was driving all types of trucks ,tractors and combines and was taking grain to the elevator, I would drive our semi out into the field, they would offload the combine into the Trailer and I would just take it to the elevator, I didnt have my license yet but was driving the semi to the elevator to drop off grain , my training was just working around the farm driving trucks, and tractors, running the backhoe and anything that was needed, when I was able to get my CDL, I got the book studied it for a day, when I was 21, Then I just went to the DMV, I walked in took the test and passed , Then we went out did a walk around ,he asked a few basic questions , we got in drove down the highway, we went to a dock and backed in and then I drove thru town, we got back and within a hour I had my CDL and was driving. I drove for over 50 years accident free and enjoyed driving but if I had to go thru what everyone does today I don't know if I would since I never felt it was that difficult, but I was raised around driving trucks and heavy equipment and farming which made it easy ,
nobody got on here and said they never had tire blow out , or had things happen ,lots of guys today go there career accident free and that's not unusual, so I guess your just not super trucker material , you may need to go back and work at McDonald's if you can't cut it .
Do you have to do it in person, or can you do it online?
@@peteholms9298 in order to get your CDL you will have to go to a qualified truck driving school today and jump thru hoops in order to get your license, You will have to pay for it ,sign an agreement and I don't know the cost, but I have seen numbers to go to a truck driving school of around 8,000 dollars , When I was a Driver Trainer for our company 40 years ago, every new hire ,no matter how qualified they said they were , the new hire would have to ride with a driver trainer for 2 weeks minimum, The new hire would get a salary at that time of 300 per week and remember this was in the 1980s so you could get by on that , After 2 weeks going to the west coast and back ,driving thru mountains, in rain and snow we would just make sure the person was qualified and turn a report in , if we didn't feel they were ready, and I did have some that said they had driven for 5 years that obviously didn't , then we would either say ok your fine or recommend to the company they needed more time with a trainer, I probably turned down 10 percent that just shouldn't be on there own yet. Then another 20 percent that needed more time with a trainer before we would let them go on there own, at that point they would go with another trainer who would work with them and evaluate them again after another 2 weeks and if they weren't working out after 4 weeks they were let go .
@@donm3844 so much for quickly getting my cdl
thanks for info
@@peteholms9298 I don't want to deter you it can be a great job , I would say the soonest you could get a CDL today going to a driving school might be 2 -3 months and I am totally guessing , I think now instead of making it easier to fill trucker jobs, they have actually made it far more difficult and it involves a lot of classroom now, If your someone who works well on there own , likes to travel and you don't mind being gone for a couple weeks at a time ,especially in your first couple years of driving and getting experience , then it might be a good choice so good luck.
My understanding, many of the truck driving schools have been only providing enough training to get a commercial license. I have seen drivers who know nothing about federal regulations or how to fill out a log book.
A very useful Video.
I’m currently in nc and did/ this same process…I obtained my clp thru dmv I took general knowledge and air brakes…I took my eldt theory online …..now I’m scheduled too take my eldt btw and range…..by a school that’s certified thru tpr……this process definitely is legit as long as the course is fmsca approved and the school is in the tpr system this is 100percent legit
How much for eldt range and behind the wheel class.. and how long?
I have air brakes left to take can I take it on Monday
I’ve had my cdl since 2010, I had my hazmat endorsement at one time and didn’t renew it in 2018. Am I subject to the hazmat theory class?
How much is eldt behind the wheel and skills class? And how long?
More work for us truck driver instructors it sounds like.
Thank you for the info. I think this is a big hurdle for people trying to get their endorsements. Is it not?
I am scheduled for a class this Nov. I've never had a cdl, and I need to pass my knowledge, air brakes, and combination tests before class starts. Is my class the ELDT? Or is it a completely different thing?
What is the English level need to star in this training program, I’m just get my CDL permit and I need finish the training but I don’t have a high school diploma or a GED so what can I do in this case
I yest got my cdl permit and completed the CDLT for hazardous endosement online. My question is to get my CDL do i need to pass another CDLT class.
Sounds like a CDL School? I took classes from a CDL school min 240 hours for class which was practice on the written exam then practice with skills before going to dmv to take written test and then have dmv testers come to my school to administer the driving skills test before getting my license. Is this not the same thing but without the mandatory 240 hours?
It is very similar, and many existing CDL schools will be offering this training.
I have CDL A Permit + endorsement P.S with ELDT A. Do I need to take ELDT B. PS to drive school buses in nyc
I’m trying to get my permit and I have to now do this course before I get my permit
Actually I got my permit, now I will do it. Thankfully the school includes it tho
Talk about making it as likable to start on this business
I have a hazmat endorsement on my CDL when I renew my license/hazmat endorsement do I have to take the DMV test hazmat like normal or the testing for renewal is going to be different?
This new rule doesn’t change the renewal process.
You didn't mention nothing about the commercial learner's permit
Hey just got my cdl and got out of school. If I were to get my hazmat after Feb 7th 2022 would I have to go back to school?
Yes…you would have to take the hazmat theory portion from a training provider in order to be eligible to take the knowledge test for the H endorsement. May be worth getting it now if you can
Very curious about how this will work and have not had this explained clearly.
Im in NC, going to be upgrading from a class B to class A. So in NC you I would have to take my combination skill test just to obtain a class A permit. Would going through an eldt training provider allow me to have my road test covered by that training provider, so I wouldn't have to do that with the DMV? As it does now with going through a school or using a third party tester? Literally get your permit from the DMV, go through your eldt training, go to the DMV with your passing credentials, and just be handed your license?
Just trying to clarify the process a little, because I keep hearing things like range and road testing with the eldt, but you can't go on the road without a permit, which is had by taking a computer "skills" test in NC and many other states Im assuming. Will the eldt road time and pre trip time be the same as using a school or third party tester now, where you do not have to do those particular tests at the DMV? Just trying to clarify for a dummy that is probably over complicating and over thinking the whole process.
Thanks for watching! Passing an ELDT course means you will be eligible to take the skills test to get a Class A in your example. Whether a particular state will allow the ELDT-administered BTW training to suffice in lieu of a DMV skills test will be up to each state. But for those that won’t allow it, you would have to complete the ELDT training and then take the DMV skills test to get the license. Not sure how NC will handle it specifically.
So does this mean no more paid cdl training? I'm not understanding, can anybody clarify this?
There will still be paid CDL training and schools. Those programs are likely more in-depth than the new required training which may justify the cost. And I suspect most of those paid programs will soon be offering the required training.
Those adding a HazMat, what will the class consist of?
You can check out the full curriculum at the link below, but it’s the basics of hazmat transport like loading/unloading, bulk packages, etc. tpr.fmcsa.dot.gov/content/Resources/ELDT-Curriculum-Summary.pdf
Could I do eldt online and get my behind the wheel training with who ever I would like?
Yes, but both trainers need to be listed on the training provider registry.
I got a question , i got my license on 9th March. But my permit was from 2021.. around october, it was going to expire on may, i passed my test. I was in 160 driving academy they gave me certification.. it doesn't say ELDT ... IT Says entry level commercial drivers, i seen all those 4 things you mentioned written down, hours of servive. Am i still required to do the training?
If you got your CLP prior to 2/7/22 and didn’t have to renew it after that date, you are exempt from the new training requirement.
Another issue I can see coming in the industry is education , we had a guy at one company who was a local driver who couldn't read or write, he was grandfathered in with his CDL , he was as good and safe as anyone, but just never got a education but he could drive a semi, I worked with several people who could drive a semi but they didn't test well, they were good drivers but if you have them take a test like hazmat,they just had issues unless you sat with them and explained things ,
We are now seeing high school kids which has been in the news a lot , being pushed thru school and everyone passes, the alarming thing was 40 percent of high school graduating seniors, couldn't read on a 4th grade level at graduation , so this in itself is making things tougher , especially when a CDL will require more book work and testing , so to me this is just going to eliminate a lot of people from trucking ,They get pushed thru school and they won't be capable comprehending the material and understand it to become a truck driver, so just another thing that is going to be hurting the trucking industry.
I agree , sadly I think that’s what they want . I don’t think they want anyone who can’t comprehend the proper knowledge of schooling behind the wheel of a truck . Glad I just got mine in time
I drive trucks everyday and I can tell you You don't need to know how to read to drive a truck this is the only career in the history of careers that require little to no reading
If you can't read the road signs without a dedicated on-board translator, I'd imagine that's not a real safe situation for the driver or anyone else around for that matter. Being literate is super important for understanding and studying federal regulations and safety laws. To be honest, I'd have to agree with this....I'd prefer commercial drivers be able to read road signs and emergency procedures. It's like hiring a pilot that can't understand the air traffic controller. They might be able to fly like a bird but the confusion or miscommunication could kill people. Uts the exact same thing with a semi pulling 20k lbs behind it...it would be way too dangerous and careless to be in or put others in that situation.
I received my CDL in 2019. I want to get my Hazmat endorsement for the first time. Am I subject to this new rule?
Yes you would be. But just the theory portion
Do you have to do it in person, or can you do it online?
The theory training can be online
I hope you can answe my question please... i only need the hazmat endorsement i already goy my class a, do i need to do the behind wheel training or just the theory training?
Just theory
@@Trucksafe thank you
OK doubt ill get an answer but i give it a shot. I got my cdl a in 2005 and am an active and employed current driver. I am interested in getting an x endorsement on my license for the first time. My current employer is not a hazmet or tanker company. I am so far past my first year as a driver its only a memory of learned experiences. So I have to take a what a slideshow class in order to go get the endorsement on my license at the dmv?
That’s correct.
is this required too take the CDL permit? or the knowledge (written) test
No you can get the CLP without ELDT. But you can’t take the skills test without it.
So if you already have a CDL A but just want a hazardous endorsement you're subject to the ELDT?
A smaller subset of content, but yes.
@@Trucksafe Do you have to do it in person, or can you do it online?
@@peteholms9298 i would like to know too
The hazmat training can be online.
@@Trucksafe thanks for the answer 👍
How much longer will school be at the time it only takes 4 weeks
The regulations don’t set a specific time requirement so it will be up to each individual training provider.
I thought B upgrading to A was exempt?
Hi, Chris. The final rule requires the training even for B to A upgrades. You can check out the full list at this link: www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration/commercial-drivers-license/entry-level-driver-training-eldt
So the ELDT is getting the certificate, it’s not another test for the DMV correct?
Correct. It’s something you have to get before you are eligible to take the skills test at your DMV.
@@Trucksafe thank you so much for the quick response. God bless you!
I just registered as a training provider where can I find the Testing material for my students thank you very much for your help
You can find the required ELDT curriculum topics in the FMCSA’s ELDT rule, but you’ll have to create the actual content yourself. Here’s the required curriculum: www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-III/subchapter-B/part-380#Appendix-A-to-Part-380
Is it possible for you to send me a sample of what you give your guys pertaining to a class B CDL
We don’t yet offer ELDT training, unfortunately.
Is eldt mean cdl permit? Or is different thing, Anyone could explain please?
Two different things. The permit is a temporary license that allows you to operate a CMV on the road with an experienced passenger. ELDT is the training you have to pass to be eligible to take the skills test to get the full CDL.
@@Trucksafe thank you
This is BS, Ive had my class B for 27 years but just recently did an upgrade to my class A permit with tanker endorsement. I have been delayed from starting with the company Im supposed to hire on with and this is really going to screw me up .
wow don't even wait. take the skill test as soon as you can. it looks like a pain in the ass if your new job doesn't come through in time. "DOT requires 31 theory course topics instead of the original four knowledge topics..accompanied by 19 mandated behind the wheel skills."
Hi, would I need to take Eldt for each of the endorsements?
If you are looking to add a passenger, school bus, or hazmat endorsement, then yes you’ll need to complete ELDT.
@@Trucksafe 🙏🏼😎 Thank you, how about T and N?
Neither requires ELDT
@@Trucksafe you are awesome, thank you
What if a person Who had 5 yrs previous otr exp but let their licence lapse and wanted to get back into driving
As long as the CDL just expired (ie not suspended or downgraded) you will be able to reinstate it without taking the new training. tpr.fmcsa.dot.gov/FAQ/Topics/applicability-exceptions
If it was suspended, you’d have to take the training unless you go reinstate it before 2/7
What about a company that trains you themselves is that still mandatory to attend a school
As long as they’re registered with the DOT as a training provider, you can get the ELDT from them.
@@Trucksafe they do concrete so do they just register that they’ll be my training provider or does it have to be like a school thing because I was told that they train their drivers
They would have to register themselves and follow the required curriculum if they want to offer the training. Otherwise you’ll need to find someone on the registry at tpr.fmcsa.dot.gov
@@Trucksafe ok ty
As long as carriers are allowed to train people your going to get the same garbage driving on the road as you have out there today!!! It has to come out of the carriers hands for drivers training!!!
So let's say I'm going to Prime Inc. How does this work?
If you get your CDL and any necessary endorsements prior to 2/7/22, then you’ll be good to go. After that date, and you’d have to obtain entry-level driver training from a certified training provider to be eligible to take the skills test to get your CDL. Some carriers may choose to offer that training themselves (not sure if Prime is one of them). If not, you’d have to take it from a third party.
This honestly doesn’t seem like a bad thing. Is it a bit annoying/ a pain in the ass? Sure. But imagine getting in a plane with someone and asking them how they learned to fly? And they’re just like “oh I taught myself”. Not very comforting I’d say. I would rather have someone that went through extensive training to fly a plane and is certified to fly said plane. I feel the same for someone operating a cmv as well. Operating a cmv is a huge responsibility and shouldn’t be taken lightly. Just my 2 cents.
Agree!
@@Trucksafe I got my CDL A permit in December, does that mean unless I get my actual license my permit will be worthless come February 7th?
No. FMCSA guidance says that as long as you received your permit prior to Feb 7th, and you don’t renew the permit after that date, you won’t have to take the ELDT.
I’ve been driving for 10 years. February 7, which is today I went in to take my test for my haz mat endorsement. Couldn’t test before I do this shit. The online training is another 100 bucks. I get it. It’s not a bad thing, but it is indeed a pain in my ass right now.
Mega carriers wont be affected
This sounds like a scam to get more money from people. Kind of like when you have to pay a ticket plus the fee.
That is exactly it
So its basically a money thing....looks like there will be a shortage of truck drivers now 😞
Sounds like they want to pick u'r pockets .more government BS
Poor Little Kebin nebber did pay no attetion in schooll...No Kevin ..it aint the 'gubberment"..It Is UNEQUIVOCALLY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES!!! HELLO!! This will help take the trainng away from the carriers and place in to the hands of the many fly-by-night CDL "schools"..and THEY... WILL PICK YOUR POCKETS!! Either way.you gonna pay.
@@redleader not everyone pays some people like me I just got my cdl class b with no schooling . I have a uncle who has a fleet of dump trucks I just used one to take my road test and passed . They want to make it so people like me will have to start paying for school to get a cdl but a lot of people can’t afford school like me as well . Cdl prep app to pass my computer tests for permit , CZcams to study for pretrip inspection and my uncle truck to pass my road test . I still had to study my ass off many hours of studying but studying at home is free
@@shakurmartin8480 just curious… why couldn’t you use the same formula for your CDL A versus B? You already have access to a fleet of trucks… what you did is exactly what my husband did, got his permit then license shortly after.
Yes trying to get my CDL D for a job.
Should also only be available in ENGLISH
Why?
@@davidanderson-22 So those driving the CMV can actually read the road signs.