Who Legally Owns a Lost Disc?
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- Who legally owns a lost disc? When does a lost disc become an abandoned disc? What are the legal aspects of determining who the true owner of a disc is if a dispute arises?
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Who Owns a Lost Disc?
0:50 Possession is 9/10 of the Law?
2:21 Burden of Proof
4:00 Lost, Abandoned, or Mislaid?
8:28 Legal Obligations
10:34 What Do You Think?
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Our two local courses both have a heavy duty metal box with a slot in the top, and most people here are cool enough to drop a found disc in the box. The box is periodically opened, and the discs go to the local disc retailer. People can then stop by and pick up their disc. Who knows, they might even buy a new disc at the shop. This sounds much better than people trying to resell another person’s lost disc. I’m glad most disc throwers in this area hold a level of respect for other players, so we never really considered the ‘legal’ aspect.
I once found a disk a guy lost in a tournament at my home course, he lived over an hour away. I contacted him and mailed it to him. The karma the disk gods send you is far more than the 5 bucks I spent to mail that guys disk back.
karma is key. I have returned discs and spent postage to get it back. i also get aces quite often and id like to think its cause of the karma.
Then you'll have bad karma from calling a disc a disk.
On sketchy holes, I just throw an unmarked $9 DX. Or two.
Our group has a strict rule of, if it has a name & number: 1 call, 1 text, and if no response in a week, it is the finders. of course there are exceptions that can be made, if someone says they were out of the country. Alternatively, no name, no number, finders keepers because even if it is turned in, any random person can take it for themselves.
I think this is a very reasonable and ethical rule. My main course has signs up telling people to put their name and number on their discs with a dropbox to place the discs. If I find one with a name and number, it goes in the dropbox. If not, then we keep it.
It's so over for the person that found my beat up putter, called me, then never responded to any of my attempts to contact them back. With thousands of dollars of lawyer fees, I shall reclaim my $20 disc finally.
😂😂
A good lawyer makes those fees the defendent's problem.
Finally someone outlines the legal ramifications of this
Well done, Chris! Very interesting. Awesome portrayal by Matthew! Thanks for addressing this topic!
Great content. Thank you for addressing this matter
This is great info. Thank you
Great video, like always! Thank you!
My personal policy is if it has a number and name/initials, I will try my best to get the disc back to the to owner. Other times I found, when I found discs, and would post hey pulled some discs from this pond/found at this course, if you can tell me what your disc is/looks like, I'll get it back to you. At one of my old local parks there was two ponds, and I'd put on my waders and go pull discs hoping I'd get mine back.
I'd much rather a nicer community, so my thought is, be the change you want, so it can get started.
As someone who as found and returned 100s of discs after going into ponds with waders, I can firmly say returning discs to some people is just the worst. They expect you to bring it to them. Bitxh you want your shit back come and get it or pay for delivery.
Always interesting content, thanks
I have a few discs that are very special to me. One in particular given to me by a deceased family member. I feel like they are with me as I play. Luckily, the one time I lost a disc, it was returned- super nice guy. I have returned 2 discs and both guys were crazy happy as they were favorite discs. Return them if you can. Be golden.
This is why you should never pay more than $30 for a disc that you want to throw.
Or insert an amount of money you are comfortable losing maybe 2-10 times a year.
@@bobbybobman3073damn 10 discs a year lol?! No soldier left behind son. Although I hear Texans leave discs at courses at absolutely absurd rates. I have a friend who finds a disc a round just about.
Yeah I’d put that at like maybe $40-60 tops…a limited run / dyed / special edition / tour series sort of thing. But that’s also why if you’re playing near or over water you have a water disc that’s easily replaceable.
@@kieronmckay4276 That's the best advice; if you are playing a course with a chance of going into a water hazard, bring a "water disc" or two. The best water discs are general purpose molds that work well in various situations and that are cheap and easily replaced.
@@kieronmckay4276some of us aren’t mentally present enough on the course to remember throwing a disc in the first place, much less where it went.
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This is a great topic and thumbnail!
Great video love that shot at 1:10 👀
Not on topic of this video, but where else to ask?
1. Can I repair a disc during a round? Between rounds? What counts as cleaning, versus changing?
2. Are gloves allowed? Only with a doctor's note?
Thanks. Love the channel.
I have lost 2 discs that I truly loved. The first I lost at Rockland Park in Front Royal, Va. it sailed over the basket a just vanished. The 2nd was at Giles Run Park in Lorton, Va was a Wave disc. It hit the ground and literally just disappeared. We had 7 people looking for almost a hour and. Never found it
The term "Lost Property" tells you everything you need to know, right there in the second word.
As a disc retailer, this is why I will never touch second hand discs.
Any other specific consideration for a disc lost during PDGA tournament play? Great video, just curious if the PDGA rules would impact the perspective for that situation.
Sponsored players can replace discs very easily and regularly do. Most events somewhere central to the event have a lost and found area that accumulates all sorts of things including discs, and most of the time during practice rounds players just put the discs on the basket it was found on. Every now and again a player finds a disc and hands it off personally cause many of these folks know each other pretty well. I’d expect more or less the same during any pro level event.
That is very interesting, I am from Austria 🇦🇹 and our law does not have the same abandonment rules, (it only exists as “Dereliction” when you have the will to give up ownership of something and act accordingly), therefore even by throwing something away out of anger (when you don’t really want to give up ownership) you would still remain the owner of that thing. You don’t even have to go looking for your disc but wait for someone to find and (provided you put your number on the disc) that person has the obligation of returning it to you or the nearest lost and found place. (You also remain owner for a whole year, only after that period the finder can claim ownership by “usucapio pro herede”)
Very interesting topic. Now I'm really wondering about the private/public scenario of a body of water with a no swimming/diving rule. As people constantly claim it's abandoned. But is it really abandoned if say a course has a trained diver that is permitted to do so and returns things on a periodic basis? Vs the person that broke the rules of the course as that area of water can become quite treacherous and dangerous to swim in.
And if some guy braves the water when you're unwilling, it's fair booty to keep.
@@samhowl1152 I disagree since it's marked no swimming and multiple people have almost drowned out there. And anyone caught in that water is banned from the course. This is the exact confusion I don't really understand about this whole lost disc thing. Is how is there so many morons like you that think it's ok?
Almost every time I lose a disc at a course, someone calls me about it and I get it back and I am extremely thankful for that. Every single time I have lost a disc on a local field (all of which had my name and number) bc I was doing field work, I did not get a call. Not many things irk me more.
Makes sense though, the community of disc golfers feel more obligated to return a disc. Someone on a random field is less likely to be a disc golfer, and they don't understand the unwritten rules of disc golf.
Seems more people are calling about the lost discs these days than even a couple of years ago.
I was in a small group of builders, and keepers, for a local public park course. Over the last nine years, things have changed. It used to be that You could leave a disc on top of the basket, and it would stay there until the rightful owner, or their friend, would pick it up.
When the sport exploded, half of the players were new, and had no idea of the traditions, or unwritten rules of the sport. Since then, I have had to return hundreds of discs to the owners, and people ask me to find their disc and call them. ( because I volunteer there ) I had to find a stash spot to get players discs back to them.
After experiencing every nightmare of returning discs, I dont touch a lost disc anymore. And if someone returns one to me, I put it at the community center for them to pick up at their.
I had a pro friend who wanted to create a program that anyone can come to the course, and try out a disc, in a wooden box. While that may have worked, 5 years ago, There is no way that program would work today. All of our discs would be stolen from the program. . @@theairportstuff
You also don't know if it just wasn't found or just ran over by a lawn mower? Assuming people are taking your disc in a random field that even you, the person who threw the disc, couldn't find it? That just seems to take the blame off of you for losing your disc lol
You also don't know if it just wasn't found or just ran over by a lawn mower? Assuming people are taking your disc in a random field that even you, the person who threw the disc, couldn't find it? That just seems to take the blame off of you for losing your disc lol
One of the local private courses, immediately upon finding a disc tries to wipe off the name/number with solvent, and re-sells it as a used disc in their own shop. I don't play there.
This is why I don't put my name or phone number or anything else on discs I throw. If someone finds it, it means I gave up looking for it. I don't want whomever finds it to feel obligated to get it back to me, or any guilt about keeping it. I lost it, you found it. It's yours.
Same here, it isn’t worth the time, hassle or effort. Though if you are trying to interact with the community it is a good way of doing so
@@gumbilicious1 my interaction comes on the other end getting discs back to people. If I find a disc with a phone number I'm texting that person and trying to at least stash it somewhere.
What I've found in the past is that I get calls for my worst discs I could careless about getting back, but rarely get a premium disc back. Now days I don't put my info on the disc. You find it, keep it.
This is my perspective as well. I’ve always felt that it is first and foremost my responsibility to take care of my stuff. As such, none of that “I’m going to throw a second from the tee” stuff, because it seems that 90+% are forgotten/ lost from that behavior alone. So it’s throw one, watch where it goes, and go to where it went. I also do a quick count after every hole to ascertain I haven’t left one somewhere along the way (and it takes maybe 5-10 seconds to perform said count). And finally, I just plain don’t like having my discs marked up with ink.
In short, if it’s left behind, shame on me. If you find it, congratulations on your new disc. I’ve left behind 4 in the past three years (and three of those were in my first year) using the above “my responsibility” method, so you may have already found one!
@@gumbilicious1 met one of my best friends in disc gold and in real life because i returned his disc. I agree with your last statement.
Thank you very much for addressing this topic. This was all great information. I would say that if you are knowingly throwing a highly valued disc, what happens to it is on you. Take responsibility like an adult.
This comment from someone AFTER watching this video is just.... wow 🤦♂️
Responsibility would be doing what you could to get it back to them. It is not someone "taking responsibility like an adult" it's a lost Frisbee, not a wrecked car.
They make take a risk while throwing it, but that doesn't justify stealing. And if you're mentally trying to justify stealing, you're already a bad person
I agree, first and foremost I need to take care of my stuff.
What about stores whose entire business model is predicated on folks selling "found" discs (Play It Again Sports, for example)? In Texas there are professional divers who regularly clean up ponds/lakes on courses and sell them immediately to PIAS without any effort to contact owners who have marked their discs with names and numbers. Lots of bad blood out there for this kind of bad karma, at least where I live...
If it's in the water, you're not getting it back otherwise you would still have it. Not sure why it would upset someone if someone else made the effort to go get it then sold it? Think how much effort it would take to contact even 50 people, much less set up giving them back. It's hard to return even one disc to some people. Lose it in the water, go swimming or consider it lost, you're not owed a call.
I watched a guy with a lake rake pull about 20 discs out of a pond on a public course. He was willing to sell them for $5 each. I bought one or two. They were clearly abandoned.
@@stitch438 We had such a diver in Southeast Michigan, but he did, in fact, text the numbers written on the discs. He did not take the discs to Play It Again Sports; he'd set up at a popular course in the area on a busy day from time to time and sell discs out of the back of his pickup for $5 each, and he literally had the entire back of the pickup full of discs he'd accumulated.
He was a cool dude and celebrated in our local scene, and a couple of friends of mine did in fact get their discs back from him.
@alwolschleger7242 there was a guy in Kalamazoo,MI that would get the discs out of the pond/swamp at Knollwood. He got one of mine out and texted me and I got it back. Gave him $20 as a reward. That was his thing and it was pretty cool he did that for everyone. Pi
Ponds are the territory of abandonment you left it knowing where it was with no attempt to recover on your own … end of conversation
If I found a disc with the owners info I will call, as I would hope someone would do the same if finding one of my lost discs, it really comes down to good manners (I got a lot of discs back that way). The abandonment issue is interesting because I have a number of discs that I gave up on even after looking for them on several occasions, I have given up on them in any case, at least now this is clear in my mind and I hope the new owner has luck with it. But one thing is clear, the discs will never be worth the legal hassle. I would never buy an expensive disc and discs with high sentimental value will be taken out of the bag.
This is why I try to throw stock discs as much as possible. If I lose one, I can replace them. Then again, I owned 5 Innova Katanas in G-Star plastic and 150-155 weight. Super touchy but flies like no other disc if released just right. I have one remaining and cannot find a replacement anywhere!
I have a similar stingray that is stamped as a star but is clearly gstar or some special blend and probably one of the first ones before gstar was even a thing. From what I understand these are out of production, and can’t be replaced…so i don’t throw it anymore except on a practice field hahah
I too have quite a few 150g Gstar Katanas and have replaced them many times over. Love those discs.
Wow! If you have any idea where to find them, please let me know! I have only one remaining... @@Derek_1111
1 I have a team stamped AGL locust. I got it sort of with a wink and a nod from the owner that I’d be able to make the team one day. I eventually did. I’d go far to get that disc back. I’m super lucky cause it’s only worth about $10. Another disc I love is I have 2 of maybe 50 made AGL money trees in the boreal plastic. I’d go father to get those back just cause they’re pretty unique and virtually irreplaceable.
Looks like it's some off brand. Not sure why you're pumped about it
I think he likes them@@samhowl1152
Both my youngest son and I recognize and understand that if we lose a disc, no matter how expensive or sentimental, once we quit looking it's gone. It's not ideal especially for a teenager but it's reality sometimes.
Interesting, even know i live in Europe and its probably not the same rules.
II have always contacted the owner if there was a name and number and in one case contacted the clubs logo that was on it without name, to ask if any members were missing it. The sad thing is i live in Germany at the moment, which is sad in it self ;) but here i never get discs back, i have lost probably around 6-8 disc with name and number in it, and never received one back. None of any special value, tho and only 1 with a big sentimental value.
Local disc golf shops could start some sort of reward program. Found discs could be rewarded with a small token of gratitude $2-5 store credit? The owner pays the finders fee to get it back. Disc shop gets to resell if not claimed after so many days.
This video made me think of all the discs I lost and never got back 🥲🥲
I have PTSD over lost discs. 😅
@@Jason-Moonlolol
I always try to get found discs back to their owners.
I don't sign my discs - you find one of mine and it's yours.
So far I'm still at a net positive of found and kept vs. lost.
You win some, you lose some; I feel like that's just course karma.
I was trying to draft a comment, but you hit it right on the head. I agree 100%!
You must be a newer player. I used to do this too until you run into sooo many hassles returning a dang frisbee. Scheduling and place to meet is a big one. I hide it somewhere, text the person, and leave. No more hassles
@@InbredJed82060 i generally try to do something similar. But there isn’t always a great place. If they’re local I’m happy to have them pick it up on my or drop it off on their doorstep if it’s not a hassle. If it’s out of the way, hide it and text is the way to go. Leaving it on the practice basket as I’ve seen done is basically like a first come first serve who wants this?! This is why always write at least a phone number in your disc, maybe it’ll find its way home, but no one is under any obligation to return it.
I have two discs I have found belonging to the same person, found them months apart at different courses, lol. I've tried many times so meet with him and dude just kinda sucks, unreliable. I'll just take them to the lost and found at the local DG store.
Yes
Im curious of the possibility of being fined for littering - for example if you 'abandon' your disc in a public park, specifically somewhere out of bounds or maybe in water
You mention this guidance might not apply to a $20 disc. If someone finds a $20 disc on the course with someone else’s number who has left the course, what would that likely be consider and how would it be legally treated?
I always thought the possession saying means if two are arguing over an object or something, the law will give preference to the one that's actually holding it.
I’ve occasionally wondered, what is the prosecution rate of those who have been charged with disc theft?
That's why on my 2015 Nate Sexton Firebird I wrote my name and number ACROSS THE FRONT.
What about shops that find a disc, text the number, then with no response sell the disc. Does the original owner have the right to take the disc from the person who purchased it?
8:13 So if I fished a valuable disc that a pro threw into a lake at a DGPT event, would it be considered abandoned after they left the area for the next tournament? And who would then be able to keep it legally?
What if I bought it from the used bin at the disc golf store?
When a disc leaves your hand, is it lost? How many seconds, minutes,hours,days does it span before it’s lost? If you do not carry a receipt and someone finds it in on a path, how can you declare it’s yours?
If there is a name and number I always try and contact the owner. Where I cannot contact the owner and the course has a lost disc box, I place it in that box.
If I am playing on a course and find a disc wit no name on it, which ahead happened, I ask group in front if they lost a disc. If they can confirm the disc type/colour I hand it over.
Where no one is around I check Facebook posts and check with others regularly.
I was playing in a social game when I found disc, which belonged to one of the players I was with. He thought the lost disc had been taken from the course as he lost it 6 months earlier and couldn’t find it no matter how many times he looked.
If I lose a disc, and you find it, you worked hard for it. Because I don't leave a disc behind unless it's GONE. It belongs to you now. So far i have only lost 4.
Great video but you totally forgot to cover Spain, as well as maritime law.
For when you're playing disc golf on an abandoned oil rig?
@@cupbowlspoonforkknif Placement is key.
I remember asking this question when my buddy’s local Play It Again called him and said he needed to pay full price to get his disc back before they sold it. I was thinking HIGHWAY ROBBERY! Lol
I had the same thing happen to me a couple of months ago. I found a disc that I had lost a year ago at Play It Again Sports. Even though my name was written on it they charged me $5 to get it back. Did I have any legal right to demand it back free of charge? I paid the $5, I was just happy to have my disc back.
@@catchthecarp right? How far does one take it if they actually wanted to fight it.
At least the local store near me doesn’t charge and our local Play It Again asks (but doesn’t require) a small “donation” of like $2-3 bucks. Requiring to pay $8-10 to get your own disc back is absurd.
I have my disc inked up with all my info even my gang set & pdga# & been throwing since 1995 & lost more than i can remember & only 2 cool ass dudes happen to return my disc. So my view on it is if you find it then return it or keep it you choice!!!!
Proper etiquette is what should be argued. One should make a concerted effort to return a marked disc. If you happen to throw an unmarked, brand-new disc on a practice field prior to a tournament, proper etiquette would also dictate that you bring it to the 0:06 most-likely-predesignated L&F because it's not yours. It's the Golden Rule of DG.
early on i lost my favorite driver in a pond, and tried very hard to get it back, but it was too deep. went to the store to buy the water kind of retriever that you throw and drag back, and accidentally lost that in the pond on the first throw. would have been quicker to just toss $20 bucks in the pond, lol.
To each their own. I never sign discs and if i throw it somewhere im unwilling to retrieve it or just cant find it and someone else does ..they can enjoy it and keep it . If i just left it somewhere and someone wanted to be nice and return it thats one thing but typically lost discs in lakes and deep woods ...keep it. We have folks that dive the local lakes for discs and offer to clean and return them for a small fee or forfeit them and they will sell them and thats smart. Thst disc would have stayed down there forever if not so i can either pay $10 for the trouble or bro can sell it .
I second this. I have “Enjoy if found!” on a few of mine.
I saw a large selection of used discs with phone numbers on them at a sporting goods store that sells used discs. I think someone fishes them out of a nearby pond on a DG course and sells them directly to the store. Seems pretty unethical but they've been doing it for a while.
I don’t know about that. If it wasn’t for him retrieving the discs, wouldn’t they just sit at the bottom of the pond?
@@Kyleetos Yes I agree that is a great point. I just know that there are others that retrieve discs and make a call if it has a phone number and if there is no return call they go ahead and sell them. I think that’s super cool but I know they don’t have to do that. I think most people would be glad to pay a finders fee to get it back.
I buy probably 95% used discs, and I don’t expect Play It Again to be private investigators when folks sell them used discs. And if I toss a disc into said pond and you fish it out, you did the work I was unwilling to do. You earned a disc!
@@Kyleetos That's a good point!
I think every disc golfer has lost a sentimental disc and never got it returned, for this reason I call every time, including when I buy from the used bin.
But if you don't have your contact on there, it's unfair to put the obligation on the finder to "track down" the original owner, as I have had many players tell me you are required to do by disc golfer code. If I waded into freezing waters for my disc and found an unmarked one as a bonus, tough luck I've already earned it!
Georgia code 16-8-6 says you are guilty of theft if you do not take reasonable measures to restore the property to the owner. Calling a number on a disc is at least reasonable. The means to get it back to the owner should be a reasonable request. I have sent prepaid envelopes to have people mail it back to me if it was out of my area. I also leave a note and a few bucks in the envelope for their trouble.
I usually get back maybe 50% of my lost disc and those that I do, I always pay at least $5 or more depending on the disc for their trouble.
I basically just turn in a lost disc to an area that has a return disc basket or Dropbox. Let that particular private golf course take care of it. I've tried personally handling returning discs and it's always been awkward.
Years ago, I threw a disc that landed on another fairway. A player there picked it up, claimed it as his, and refused to return it. I didn't want to escalate, so I walked away. Legally, I had options, but realistically, it wasn't worth the hassle. Nowadays, I put my name and number on my better discs.
I think as an overall slice of humanity, disc golfers are pretty awesome people. This happened to me once too, though. I left my new driver on a teepad. Went back and a guy had it and wouldn't give it back and he was with his son so I didn't want to escalate in front of the kid. Pretty awful example that guy was setting for his son.
Wow, this happens more than i thought
I’ve let a group play through, told them my group had a couple shots already out there. They grabbed one and just walked off the course. We didn’t understand what happened until we got up to that shot. We watched them drive by as we figured this was the case.
really, so u let the bully just walk all over you. sad... not me...
I dive and have found over 100 discs at a time. No numbers I throw, or sell. Local numbers can meet me at a local park when I play everyone else is just SOL. Ace discs I try to get to the owner. I’ve had people try to get me to drive 30/40 minutes so I could give them their disc back 😂. I told them I’d just put it back in the water where I found it or you could meet me the next time I play
I don’t understand. Why are people not throwing into the center of the fairway in order to not lose discs?
I’ve got more of a twisted concern. I have in fact made a replica, Nate, Sexton Firebird, 2015. This is a true Hot stamp, and I made it for my personal use. However, if I lost it, someone could believe it is the real thing. I have etched the word “replica” on the bottom side, using my laser. Have I gone to great enough lengths to prevent people from thinking it is the real thing? I use it every round.
Are you asking a copywrite question? Or just concerned about others 'feelings'?
There are sooo many hassles with returning discs. Scheduling and meeting ect ect. I put it somewhere not obvious, text the person a photo of where it is, and leave.
Legal obligations are not moral obligations.
and vice versa
@@RGMDGactually in this case you're wrong. Stealing is wrong. Moral obligation. Stealing is illegal. Legal obligation
Who has a 2k disc in his bag on the course? Now I do have a CE Firebird (x) in my bag which could be worth some money but I never abandoned it. Was in the water once but I saw it and went in. Plus when we started we knew all the discgolfers so discs were always returned. There is a reason they call it a family....
Only hobby/sport that you take your most favorite possession and throw it as hard as you can into the woods. Then complain that you can’t find it in the snow, leaves, bushes or tall grass.
I found a guys disc the other day with his name and number on it. I texted and let them know that I found it, the course it was at doesn’t have a lost and found. They asked me to put it in the lost and found of another course that’s an hour away from me that I never play.
At this point, I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to go out of my way to give him his disc back that he lost, what would you do? I’m willing to help, I will just not be at the requested course any time soon.
At this point I have No expectations when it comes to getting a lost disc back. I think I’ve gotten 2 back in the last 2 years and I’m not good so I lose a lot. All have name and number on them 🤷🏻♂️ I should’ve thrown better
Disc golfers are by nature very awesome about getting discs back to owner
Agreed. but 'grow the sport' has brought out a bunch of jerkoffs in the MPO field.
If you pay $2,000 for a disc you're crazy to begin with. Not to mention then using that disc in a casual round. I know that isnt important to the video im just saying. Just putting it simply, its nice of people when they find a disc to try to return it to its original owner. However when i lose a disc i never expect to see it again or for someone to return it. I wouldnt take anyone to court for finding a disc i lost. I just try to use common sense and decency, its a disc at the end of the day.
I'm going to send this to my property professor
My property law casebook said “Possession is 11/10 of the law” on the front. True story.
I misplaced a disc on a local public park disc golf course in New Zealand. (Latitude64 Jade Opto, near new but definitely used).
Left in the open near a basket. (I returned to the basket (still unaware I had left it there) at the end of the round but it had gone (or I would have seen it and slapped my forehead in a DUH moment).
Named and numbered.
Never returned.
In New Zealand, you also must do at least the basic attempts to return an item, be it looking round for someone nearby that may have dropped that $10 note...
or Dialling that phone number... (My cell has Voicemail and text ability... never contacted).
Failing to do the basic on an obviously named and numbered item that was in very good (not long lost) condition, and in an obvious not deep lost position... means the person who took the disc is now actually making an act of theft, retaining possession of an item obviously not belonging to themselves.
I miss the Jade... My 1st expensive good plastic 300+ft disc.
Now on the flip side.. I have several discs that do not belong to me... in fact I have found maybe 30 discs in my 2.5 years of play... Most numbered.. (all but 2 of them returned.. 1 said he'll get it sometime.. I've gotta remind him I still have it.. the other hasn't replied to 2 texts.. I'm going to call next coz maybe somehow he doesn't have a text compatible phone or doesn't read english.. (tho there is google translate?)
Most of the others I have managed to find the owners... some.. I didn't... So i guess I own them now... but I still haven't named them.. on the off chance someone may (and yes this did happen) say "I used to throw one of those" (Though in that case I had actually gone looking for his disc late that day, found 6 (most numbered) and one matching what I thought his was.. but didn't have his name etc.. and nothing on the disc... But I kept it with me on that local course just in case... months later.. lucky guy!.
and I have one named disc... nut no phone number... Common last name (I'm not ringing all the (lets say "Smith's" in the phone book... and phone books don't really exist for cells now anyway)...
but I can't find him in PDGA or local clubs and no one knows him... (he can have it back if ever I do.. but it is Waaaaaaay over stable.. I mean not just Beef but the whole dang farm... Throw it on 45deg Anhyzer in 40k winds and it pulls flat then fades (I did just that... up hill... did I mention the farm...).
Odd fact... of all the discs I have found... on one hole (#8 Berhampore Wellington NZ).. 70% have been base plastic RPM Pekapeka's (RPM is NZ and the Pekapeka is often in the starter pack.
Both yet to be returned are, and from #8
And one of my favourite discs... #8 again... Cosmic Neutron Tesla Lab Second swamp find (cannot remove the swamp stain so I'm guessing was buried for at least a year...
I think I finally named that one after a year.
Just lost my Rive..... on #8.... Named and Numbered... Going back for a 3rd day with my clippers (can't do week nights as I finish as it gets dark... 5pm winter... ever read "Br'er Rabbit"
My policy is to hang on to the disc until my round is over. Over half the time, the person who lost it will realize and start walking back for it. If nobody walks back for it, I'll either text or drop it off in the karma bin at the disc golf store. In my experience, just leaving it as-is is a bad policy because the person walking back will be peeved you didn't pick it up, or someone else will swipe it. I do put my phone number on my disc, have gotten a few back, but mostly put it on there in case someone sells my disc and it ends up in a used bin.
I guess I've never ran into another player who claimed abandonment. Every person I've met on the course has had a genuine concern to get whatever disc they found back into the hands of it's owner. Most probably know how it feels to lose a staple if you're bag
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A friend of mine throws a doom bird 2, he lost it and i found it. Of course i hunted for it for him and gave it back but yeah, thats got to wortheven more now, maybe
What about those people that find your disc, contact you to give it back, but charge you a fee? I run a course and handle hundreds of discs. I try and get them back to the owner ( give them 60 days to come get it ) but never charge to return it. If they want it shipped, I do ask that they pay shipping costs, usually < $12.
Fees are very reasonable. I have to spend my personal time scheduling and meeting with you. My time has value.
This shows how the original spirit of the sport is vanishing due to selfishness, greed, and the overvaluation of a piece of plastic. It was intended to be a gentleman's game.
"The most fun wins" - Ed Headrick
Its Just being nice plain and simple. Like returning a shopping cart.
What's better than getting a call about a lost disc.
I have no disc that I would go to any length to get back. That in mind, I throw a disc in water, unless it’s 5 or more feet deep, I’m going in. But if it’s over my neck then it’s gone. I have a Paul McBeth signed Buzzz that I throw, I’ve tossed it in the water, I got it back. I could see it, I wasn’t leaving it there. If it was to deep to get, she gone.
When I find a disc with a number, I txt it.. "Found your X disc at course Y." If they respond I hide it somewhere on/near the course, take a photo of the area, draw an arrow to the exact spot, sent the photo and brief description.. "Hid your disc under pallets here near hole 2". and my obligation ends. I return probably 20-30 discs a year this way. I've never had anyone ask me to do more than that. Only once has a disc not gotten back to its owner because someone else was wandering around the course digging through common hiding spots.. which is a dick move. I ask no more than that of others who txt me that they've found a disc. I do not answer my phone and don't expect anyone else to, which is why I only/always txt rather than call. I get back about.. 75% of the discs I've lost.
I'm going to guess it's considered abandoned property if you leave it behind.
Disc golfers are thieves for the most part. See a cool disc and they'll make every excuse in their head to be a piece of shit and keep it.
I would disagree somewhat. Casuals certainly tend to be thieves, but I think disc golfers, especially in a league or club setting tend to be far less unscrupulous. There are certainly exceptions to this but in my experience a lot of the club members know each other and frequent the same courses so we all look out for anyones stray discs and try to get them back to the owner. Go to a local tournament and see how full the lost and found section can be after the end of the 2nd round.
@@arklave first mini I ever went to club Members stole two discs out of my bag before the mini started.
The dumbest lost disc encounter I've had started like this. A guy txt'ed me that he'd found one of my discs. I saw that it was from a number I had previously txt'ed to return one of his discs. Great karma. right? I immediately thanked him, and asked if he could hide it on/near the course in one of common spots we use right near tee 1. No response.. day or two passes. Hey, could I get that disc back? No response.. I encounter him a couple days later on course and ask him about it. "Oh.. I left it at my girlfriend's house, and we sorta broke up." WTF? I suggest that he could still ask for it back and leave. A week or two passes and I find a couple discs on the same course we both play often. Heh look.. same number.. same guy. Then I found a disc at a different course.. same number same guy. Now he's got (well, his ex girlfriend's got) one of mine and I have three of his. Too disgusted to bother txting him I wait until I see him at my local course again a week or so later, and as he's preparing to throw from tee 1 I cut straight across the fairway and dump his three discs on the ground and keep walking over to tee 3. He's got this annoyed and confused look on his face as he walks up and almost passes the discs on the ground.. then realizes that they're all his own discs and sorta sheepishly collects em. Little while later I txt him.. "Still would like to get that one back".... he response "I could give you my ex gf's number..." sigh..
I've returned many lost discs without asking for compensation. Years playing overseas and only a couple times have I lost a disc and not gotten it back. Played in the US and in a two week period lost two discs and haven't gotten them back. I'm not calling American disc golfers dishonest or thieves but...
All good Samaritans don't put names or numbers on discs so the people who find them get a nice present.
Were we play Will give a call if there's a number. Otherwise it's habit to bring to a local bike shop Frisbee golf shop and people can lost and find there.
HOW IS THIS EVEN COMPLICATED??
If you lose your wallet or your car keys or your phone, its still yours. Same for anything, including discs. If you find ANYTHING ANYWHERE, it has an owner. If you did not pay for that thing, the owner is NOT you.
If you spend more than 30 dollars on a disc it should probably just stay on the wall as a collector piece...if you don't put your name and number on a disc your loss....I try to return all disc's that I find with a number on it
Disc golfers are weird about their discs. I have an almost unhealthy obsession with disc golf. I watch all the content, every tournament, and i play every chance i get. But you will never catch me going out of my way to get my disc back if i lost it. They arent that expensive and i dont have the time or desire to drive around collecting my lost disc. I dont even put my info on them anymore. If it takes me more than a couple minutes to find, i just say enjoy your free disc to whoever ends up finding it.
I've gotten the same way. I mark mine with a stamp that has DG related information. However if I lost my disc it's really lost. Typically, if I leave a disc it's cause it went into another dimension or got into some water I didn't want to deal with.
I actually found a 2015 sexton firebird.
If a name is on the disc, regardless of any rules, make an attempt to get it back. Our sport has always been about the "Spirit of the Game"
That disc has nate Sexton's name on it so is it his?
i dont leave discs at the course. anyone that does, i consider them littering and i clean up the trash. the dx discs literally
someone posted they lost a disc was over a barbed wire fence, there was a person on the other side of the fence, i asked if they could give it back they did, i messaged the person they said they did not live there and offered to pay to have it shipped to them, i liked the way the disc looked and it was in great condition, i offered to buy it from them... they took that offer all parties were good. thats the only one ive ever ran into that was unique.
Loosers weepers, finders keepers. I have maybe 20 that weren't picked up in baskets or approach discs that weren't picked up. Depending if it's not a disc I want, max weight and a phone number I try to call them.
Are we seriously debating this? lol…the course giveth and the course taketh.
If I had a $2000 disc, I wouldn't be stupid enough to throw it
my very old G star beast. It aint worth much but my game is significantly worse when I can't throw that specific, super beat up disc
This is very informative, but unfortunately I have never gotten a disc back. Even with number or going in local forums to report my missing discs. So I have after my experiences stopped giving back discs aswell. You win some, you loose some I guess.
If I find your disc with your number on it- I will text you!
Don’t lose hope in all humanity!
First world problems. The answer is, the finder owns it according to the international law of the sea. Salvors rights. You didn't want it enough to keep looking and possession is 9/10ths of the law. Name or no name, it's the finders disc if he chooses to keep it. There, saved you eleven minutes and change. (Sorry, Chris.) Cheers, D.
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