Will Right Wing Ideology Shape The Future Of The Conservative Party?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Lord Frost, Boris Johnson's former Brexit minister was schooled on why the Tories lost. The pandering to Farage on issues like immigration sunk the Tories. Guto Harri put the Tory peer back in his box of the direction the Conservatives should take.
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Frost is confidently wrong about everything.......
The personification of Dunning-Kruger.
He is a huge non-entity
Never won a seat or election of any kind
His only record is as a brexit minister, a job he left prematurely
I won't deny that DK is a common affliction amongst many of the ruling class, it's not a fundamental reason. It goes deeper than that. The "small state" and tax cutting fetish is a central tenet of their "philosophy", even if it entails massive government borrowing, which it does. They are driven by a pure ideology as insane as anything dreamt up by a central committee of Bolsheviks. Combined with the deep anti Europeanism of people like Frost, it was a recipe for disaster.
Justifying his nickname of Lord Gormless. Again!
@@pault1289 There's a lot of contenders on the right for that particular crown.
Remember folks there is no such thing as a decent Tory.
Harri is just less insane than most Tories, Not sane just less Insane. Frost is a Cult follower and blind to the real world.
@phillydavison I offer you James Arbuthnott (something minor about expenses but let's leave that)
@@willtricks9432 Trouble is we have got him look living here in Greenwich amongst a Tory cabal. I feel contaminated and he's taking our taxes.
The Brexit clown that all of Europe laughed at .
He wasn’t born. He was spontaneously created when lightning struck a bucket of vomit outside a pub on the North Circular Road.
@@shaucha-vv1xe Johnson, Truss, Sunak, ......................... feel free to insert future Tory PM name!
@@shaucha-vv1xeHow is Starmer a Brexit clown like Lord Frost?
Correction: A Brexit clown that Europe laughed at. Let's not forget about the first Brexit clown- David Davis, and the other Brexit clown, Dominic Raab.
It’s a crime when fools like Frost enjoy so much power and privilege
He made an arse of negotiating Brexit as our very own incompetent unelected bureaucrat.
LORD Frost, I'll remind you! One of the Tory "Big Beasts". And an ignoramus, too stupid to realise how stupid he is.
If only it were.
@@lindabastable3021 aye
Frost is another reason WHY this country is broken. NO we dont all "want tax cuts" we want an NHS, we want a police force, we want an education service.You are totally out of touch, YOU ARE A TORY!.
Frost is, and looks, as thick as two short planks.
I think you'll find the average plank makes more synaptic connections
@@Edward-ed1nu Inclined to agree. 🤣
Unelected bureaucrat frost
Fraud Lost.
unelected art historian frost*
Having "unelectetd" Cabinet Officers isn't unusual. Starmer has already made three such appointments on his first day.
The difference is WHO they are and WHY they are being elevated to the House of Lords. Frost was a Hard Brexit Supporter, so he was elevated, Zac Goldsmith was a friend of Boris, so he got a Peerage, and Cameron had won an election before based on policy rather than personality, which none of the Tory leadership knew a damned thing about, so he got brought back in.
None were what you what call "Experts" in the field, but were there to provide the leader with unwavering support.
Starmer has made three appointments of experts with no interest in climbing the political ladder, who will tell the Government to get stuffed if the Government ask them to toe the party line.
The new Attorney General has already told the government that, legally, they should allow Councils to boycott Israel... imagine Suella Braverman doing THAT to Boris!
A better epithet for Frost would be "Greedy Dangerous Lapdog Bureaucrat Frost"
He broke cover and told it as it was. It's all too late. Lord Frost is a total disgrace and should never be in any form of public service. A complete waste of rations and a total failure, and he demeans the title bestowed on him. Disgrace!
A singular reason for reform of the House of Lords.
A singular reason -for reform of- to abolish the House of Lords.
The Tories HATE paying tax, especially taxes on having more than one Mansion, but didn't hesitate to tax poorer people claiming benefits for having more than one effing BEDROOM!
Well said ❤
AND YOU THINK STARMER WON'T.?? GET OUT OF YOUR FANTASY STARMER WORLD.!!!!
@@gillianslater9227 Evidence for this lazy and stupid cliche? Shouting doesn't make this nonsense any more convincing.
@@davidgardiner4720 NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYONE, THANKS. MY CHOICE, ALSO FREE SPEECH MY CHOICE.IF YOU CAN'T COPE DON'T READ, NO PROBLEM TO ME.!!!!!!
@@gillianslater9227 I'm sorry to read that your made up little world has just had an injection of reality. However, you'll probably get a more favourable response on a website where the less educated congregate. Try the Express.
Also, the capslock key stays on all the time. You might want to watch that.
Frost is hilarious. He’s that particular kind of thick person that believes they are clever. The fact that someone like him can make it to government and House of Lords is a terrible reflection of the Uk’s political system. In a normal democracy (with PR), a party that supports his ilk would be humiliated in an election.
They just were.
@@cerip2 But not in 2019
Unfortunately PR will just deliver even more maniacs, that's why we don't have it. The fundamental concept of PR is great, the actual reality would be a disaster. People like Andrew Bridgen or George Galloway would do well under PR and that should be enough of a reason to avoid it.
Frost is a fool yes, but you will also look at the army of migrants who will tare your country too shreds, just like they are destroying Ireland
@@jbock2753Disagree. Whilst PR gives fringe elements a look in, the coalitions gravitate towards the centre.
I'm agreeing with Gutto Harri.. ... I think I need a lie down!
@@supernoodles91 He, like all grifters will change in favour with the powers that be, who ever they might be .
Reform are not a political party they are a business
ANY PARTY IS A BUSINESS.100%!!!!
You are correct. They have been specifically funded to achieve certain goals. Despite what the ignorant Caps lock loony says.
@@julianking4793 THINK THE LOONY YOU SUNSHINE, LOOK IN THE MIRROR, FRIGHTENING. YOU WON'T BULLY ME.100%. FANTASY STARMER LOVER.!!!!!
Reform Party (UK) Ltd.
@@gillianslater9227your caps-lock on your keyboard seems to be stuck.
it’s a matter of fact that reform are a limited company.
This fool's opinion is of no interest. He completely fu#ked the whole sorry mess of brexit and then walked away. Why should anyone care what he thinks?
Totally agree with you,why why why is he still getting air time, media reform needed immediately and get them right wing media clipped,,
telegraph readers care apparently...
Trouble is that he gets into things like question time with ultra right wing rhetoric and although unelected attempts influence which BBC permits. I feel very concerned about his constant meddling. Another argument for abolishing House of Lords. Put there to cause trouble so I imagine.
Hopefully the Tories will go in the direction that Frost suggests - then they will be out of power forever. How he thinks they can win an election by serving up more ‘Tory’ is inexplicable 😂
Don’t underestimate Labour’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and the short memory of voters.
Should Starmer become complacent, or should the left wing of the party oust him for “not being socialist enough”, Tories will be back in 2029.
@@paologatI think Kier Starmer is vastly underestimated.
Frost was one of the laziest ministers ever.
Yep.
David mince for brains Davis shares that title with Frost.
@@martinmcdonald4207
We're not all the same you know...
That's a big call when you've got the likes of Coffey and Raab setting the standard. But your probably right
@@martinmcdonald4207 Indeed, that D Davis lives in a parallel world.
So many fantasy issues, from Brexit, to Stop the Boats, to immigration, to "the deficit," to "the national debt," Austerity, etc. Incredible, really, how much exists purely in the imagination
Brexiters didn't want unelected bureaucrats doing trade deals but Lord Frost did the deal with the EU
Brex-shyters are a brain dead club!
Simple elegy: the Tories pissed in our soup, and we drank it.
...and they never made any soup!
Speak for yourself mate. I certainly didn't drink it. Inevitably got splashed with it. We all did.
Frosty the No-man
The Abominable No-man, please.
I'm sorry but when was Frosty right about anything? Failing upwards as a career.
Yep. Failing upwards, a perfect example, and the modus operandi of the Johnson government. We need to hold these people to account, before our country can move on.
The three experts on eu trade. David Davis. Lord Frost. And the Infamous Boris Johnson.
No equivalent Dublin Agreement. No passport for British musicians. 😂
The boat phenomenon exasperated by Brexit.
You're right, but the word is 'exacerbated'.
Good evening Max and all here. Frost has no shame. It's a common among right wing "thinkers"😡😡😡
Who could forget the whisky salesman
About as useful as a landlord who drinks his own beer!
I thought that was Ribbentropp...oh no, that was champagne. How did that turn out?
If you truly do not want the conservative party back in power then encouraging Lord Frost to speak and influence the Tories is the way to go.
Unelected bureaucrat
Brilliant Challenge Bravo Guto ❤
Bit ripe that was a key advisor in Boris’ govt when pushing for a hard Brexit. Suddenly when it no longer matters he’s found some some backbone - too little, too late for these enablers.
Well said!
If the right wing were what people wanted why do we have labour in office? Most people understand if you want an NHS, a good security system and all the rest of it. If costs money. The tried and tested way of doing this is via tax. Only the affluent classes dont want to pay for anything. Those with more modest incomes get it. You cant run a country with no money. Thats what tax is for. Many people whilst not jumping for joy at the cost would rather pay more tax and have a NHS that is fit for purpose and able to care for people when they need it. Tax cuts are not a priority for most people. People want services that can an fo the job. Not services on their knees with no money. How many operations or nurses would the money spent in the Rwanda farce pay for?
SO YOU WANT NHS TO CARE FOR ALL ILLEGALS BEFORE HARDWORKING BRITISH TAXPAYERS AND DENTISTS THE SAME.? BECAUSE THATS WHATS HAPPENING NOW.? WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CAN'T COPE ITS ALL THE EXTRA PEOPLE. BUT FORGOT YOU LIVE IN FANTASY WORLD WITH STARMER.!!!!!!
Spot on!
As an avowed apologist for Boris Johnson, Guto Hari is just as vile as Frosty.
Bradwr yw Guto.
Maybe, but in this instance he is correct.
@@patchso Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
Why is Frost even being given air. OOPS i mean air time.
Do these people get paid for being on these programmes ? Serious question.
There was no need to correct yourself!🤠
Lord Thicko Gormless.
This guy had so much power without accountability or facing a single ballot.
Why is he even being platformed. No credibility whatsoever.
Chinese proverb: “Beware of the beast that you ride, it will end up devouring yourself.”
And that’s exactly what has happened to the conservatives.
Frost signed the APPALLING Brexit deal and got a fuc*ing Knighthood for it.
The fact that there are still "lords" in 2024 is a disgrace.
Oh look an unelected bureaucrat. I thought Brexiters hated those.
pudding face…we remember him well. did not miss one buffet in Brussels.
Frost is emblematic of Johnson not choosing advisers and ministers on the basis of ability and experience but instead on ghe basis of loyalty to him.
Why is he a lord, nobody has even questioned that
A Johnson Toady.
It was a gift from Bozo the Murder Clown and should be considered as worthless for that reason.
It’s the British system. The British people love to bow and curtsy before nobility. They believe this sets their society at a higher level than the Europeans.
Credit where it's due Guro hits the nail on the head ❤
For once. Usually he is a …expletive…
To be fair, the Tory party move to the far right started in a major way when Johnson purged the parliamentary party in advance of the 2019 election. A considerable number of the new Tory intake were basically individuals whose views were more in line with UKIP than traditional Tory values.
The policies promoted by successive Prime Ministers reflected the takeover of the Tory party by the far right. To such an extent that you make a case that recent Tory administrations were more right wing that Thatchers governments.
He is a lier and should be in jail !
id jail him as a traitor for life no parole.
Conservative principals? I didn't think Tories had principals
that's principles
Their principals appear to be BoJo and that awful cruella woman
Conservatives indeed have sound principles, such as personal responsibility and fiscal discipline. Unfortunately, the last few real conservatives were purged from the Tory Party last decade.
No shame! The self entitled arrogance of Frost is breathtaking !
Hear hear Brilliant Speech Guro 👏👏
Unfortunately Mandy, I can't give this Guto Harri any credit for anything after his contribution to the Johnson s***show. He is permanently toxic to me,
Wow Harri absolutely smashed him, pretty cool.
At least he put Lord Gormless back in his box. We have suffered Cameron and Osborne's sociopathic austerity followed by a clown show of serial incompetence.
Can the reform of House of Lords start with the removal of pointless waste of spaces like Lord Frost
Did David Frost have dirt on Boris or organise his "affairs"?
Because Boris really really helped his career.
And now Lord Dave is set for life.
Maximilien's argument in this video is spot on.
Can you imagine FARTage's parents?
What must have been like to bring up that most obnoxious and nasty child?
Are they still alive? (or he killed them 😉) Can we ask them?
Ever watched 'The Boys From Brazil'? This explains Rees Mogg as well.
Why do you think he was packed off to board at Dulwich?
Mellted Candle Lord Frost
David Frost the long forgotten son that Ann Widicombe never wanted😂
Look a Frost sitting there smirking to himself, what a repulsive individual.
Actually, Lord Gormless is his official title.
Never in the field of human history has someone been so wrong, so often, and with such confidence as Baron Frost.
That was an incredible comment he was totally correct
Confucius says, man who is a fool but thinks he is a wise man is indeed a fool.
The Reform vote at this election represents around 8.5% of the entire electorate. If I was giving any party advice I’d recommend trying to appeal to the other 91.5%.
With that same logic, 80% of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour, so you would have to go opposite to Labour to get the other 80%.
Sorry but it’s just idiotic logic to count non voters as your reason why you should go opposite to any party’s platform
@@aliancemd I didn’t say Labour were the answer. I just said Reform we’re not. If you want the majority of the electorate, don’t copy the party that gets less than 10%. You know the subject of this video was Frost recommending the Tories copy the party that got less than 10%?
Corbyn got a higher percentage for labour of those who voted in 2019 than Labour did this time and even higher than that in 2017.
Bang on . This entire video sums up exactly where the Conservatives have completely lost there way .
Right Wing fetishist 😂
Rishi Sunak had to call the election at that time because he didn't know what to do to make things right. Totally out of his depth even though the mess is his own.
Surely the root word of "ideology" is "idea". And that is where Lord Gormless has severe supply issues.
Remember Lord Frost? To be perfectly honest, no. Should I?
lord fraud of brexit lardass frost.
Lord Frost the unelected bureaucrat!
Max, the Tories are not a conservative party anymore, that ship has long sailed! They are fascists with decorum and nothing more.
The Labour Party did not increase its share of the vote, but the conservative vote collapsed. Conservative voters did not go to the Labour party, but they went straight to Reform. The entire last 14 years of conservative rule obviously persuaded almost half of Conservative voters that the solution is fascism. And that’s what they voted for. So what Johnson and Truss achieved was to split the Tory party into those who are centre right Conservative and those who have become seriously right wing.
The caveat that Farage and his party added makes his issue immigration moot. Making the exception on immigration of healthcare workers which is a large amount of visas issued tells us he never had the intention of having a net zero immigration policy but instead the whole ‘stop the boats’ rhetoric just becomes more racist in tone.
The Tory party is going to move politically to the right of centre, if you assume that the Austrian with a Charlie Chaplin moustache was "centre"
Frost should be locked up for treason
Lord - Someone or something having power, authority, or influence; a master or ruler. 😮
Spot on
it's the Tufton street, Kabul
Trust me Max,if (please forbid) Farage ever got into power the right to challenge and question him would be very short lived.
Frost the melting candle. Unelected bureaucrat.
Why couldn't Gito say this before election
Boris said, "Get Brexit Done!"
Lord Frost replied, "Where do I sign."
Job Done.
It was worrying to hear the Labour candidate in Clacton say he felt intimidated during campaigning
Worried but far from surprised
Da iawn Guto!
Well said Guto!
Di awn 🏴👏
You are 100% correct.!
The leopards are eating each other's faces :)
Max. R. is completely correct here.
The inevitable split, those who think the Conservatives lost because they had moved too far from the centre and those Tories that think they lost because they were not right wing enough.
And many believed these Tories "WERE BORN TO LEAD". It will take a massive effort to undo the harm they have done to our country.
Media reform is needed. People who are factual are pilloried, while people who are arrogantly wrong about everything are lionised until they become a problem for their own allies.
Lovely chap, Lord Frost! Negotiated a very good deal for us in the EU🤭.
The political fringes always seem a larger percentage than they are due to how noisy they are. They are always yelling and claiming to be the 'silent majority' but even those who support them only do so for a couple of policies. They also always seem to get media attention which also enhances their perceived popularity. It's not a part of the political spectrum that has much popularity long term while mainstream parties are doing their jobs.
The damage this fool has done to our country should be worthy of a jail sentence not a peerage!!
The smugness that comes with being gifted his position FOR LIFE.
Great Clip Thanks Max ❤
Frosty the clown
Couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag
Frosty the dunno man put back in his box ❤
They stood on the brink of electoral oblivion at this election. Truss has gone. Yet some of them are still keen to jump off the edge rather than take a few steps back. They need to ditch people like Frost, but they won't because they mostly agree with him and they can't change. The sensible ones are to scared to break away.
The TCA was not the ‘oven-ready deal’. That was the withdrawal agreement.
Harri is a decent figure. Down to earth, and honest
When you get trashed by a centrist of left leaning party, why would going to the extreme right help ?
The Tories haven’t yet realised how utterly irrelevant they are now - going to be a bit of a culture shock when the penny drops shortly.