A long, long time ago, I can still remember How a taildragger used to make me smile And I knew if I had my chance That I could make my feet dance And maybe they'd be happy for a while.....
Love it Mark! I freeze thinking of how here in South Africa as a very low time pilot I did what makes me cringe today! At a 4500 ft airport altitude and 28 C ambient temp at least, I Iaunched with 3 at least 190 lns pax and myself at the same weight. Worst of all it was a 160 hp 172 with long range tanks and I topped them all! The take off and one hour scenic flight was shockingly normal, only some time afterwards I realized what I had inadvertently done. That is why I know that so many low time pilots survive after bad decisions because they are in a Cessna. If that was a Piper I would not be telling this story. Years before I did my PPL, I flew as passenger in a Piper Arrow. OMG I remember there were CG issues and nervousness before we even got into the sir. If that had been a 172RG or a 177 Cardinal it would not even have been an issue even if weight and CG issues were overlooked.
We own a 172D. The paperwork indicates it was assembled in 1962. That was a fun discussion with the insurance company. As you stated they are cheap to maintain, operate and insure. Enjoyed the video.
That sort of year model/production date mismatch wasn't all that uncommon. Back "in the day", airplane manufacturers worked on a schedule much like automobile manufacturers. They would introduce the new model-year airplanes in the fall just like the car makers would introduce their new model-year cars. When I was a kid, we had a then brand new 1976 Archer II that was actually built in late 1975. It had a 75-xxxxxxx serial number and all the paperwork indicated a 1975 year production but it was definitely a 76 (tapered wing, etc.).
I worked as maintenance officer for a flying club with a 172E and 172G. They were terrific airplanes - very easy to work on, lots of spare parts, and just a flying marshmallow in terms of handling. They were surprisingly capable airplanes too - I've removed the rear seats to haul bulky cargo, I've done 800nm IFR cross-country trips, I've flown them into uncharted grass strips ... all around great airplanes they were.
Fun video and really great to listen to you highlight the differences. I'm beginning the shopping process for a 172, it just meets so much of my mission.
Have been co-owner in a ‘61 172B since 1986. Love that plane. One needs to take care not to expect much climb performance on warm days. Rate of climb is a function of excess power and with the O-300, there isn’t much excess power!
I have owned my 1969 172K Since Sept 2010, it has been a most reliable cheap to insure (half my car insurance!) and operate and maintain. I did add a Power Flow exhaust to it and I swear that shaves off a gallon an hour of fuel burn! It has the standard O-320 E2D and 38g fuel tanks. My brother is larger than I am but with full tanks and both of us in it, on a hot and humid summer day, we can still get off the ground - might not be climbing more than 500 fpm, but it works. It's very simple and easy to fly. Over the years whenever I wanted to upgrade to a different plane, I never wanted to go IFR or anything, I would compare to my 172, and all-around, nothing beats it. The only thing I would turn t in for is a really nice tailwheel, but it would have to be really to my liking, and I know insurance would go thru the roof on that, so this is likely my plane for life. She may not be fast or pretty, but she is good for my mission...
I did my PPL a Cessna 152. 5400 ft airport altitude. I was 190 pounds, instructors very much the same. We did not exceed half tanks during training. My PPL training was done in these conditions. That airschool had had no density altitude issues as far as I am aware.
I did most of my PPL in a that exact plane with the Air Plains 180hp and updated Garmin instrumentation and I finished in a beat up M model. Didn’t realize what an absolute gem the D was until I got in the M
I had a 1960 A model, installed a Horton STOL kit with droop tips gap seals and STOL FENCES. Would do everything I asked, loved that plane. I was stupid and sold it.
We bought the ‘62 172C featured in many of the Pilot Nancy videos. Our son used it to learn and solo on his 16th birthday. We no longer need it (have Bonanza) but it’s such a sweetheart just can’t possibly sell it.
I love the older 172’s, when I was like 12 there was an older guy at the airport that had a 1957 that was like the day it came from the factory it was beautiful. But I loved because the way the older 172’s were at 12 I could see over the glare shield. I would wash it and he would fly me around for like 2 hours the third time I washed he bought me a log book and started teaching me so I could log hours what memories I had in that plane.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes, but I haven’t flown since the early 2000’s I was going to start flying again but unfortunately at 43 I have heart problems so I can’t get my medical. I thought about light sport but I’m 5’10” and 240 so there’s that.
Nice! Such a great airplane. A friend of mine has one with 180 hp. I’d love to see you do a video of the 1960 172A. It was only built the one year. It is basically a straight tail 172 with a slant tail. So, the aircraft is 6 inches taller than the newer ones. The fuselage is more narrow, but taller, giving a much better view from the inside of the cockpit. It’s not talked about very much but to me it’s very unique because it was only built the one year. I was told I could put a straight tail on my 172A model and it would be the same as a regular straight tail. I hope you check into them Anyway, I enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.
Great, informative video. Love the new camera angle too. If I may suggest, when banging out all those facts and figures about year changes, windows here and there, engine types, etc, it’d be great if you could edit in clips of what you’re talking about. It’d just help reinforce the change/differences so it’s not just numbers being thrown about.
Everyday is a school day. I really like these they look rakish, one parks at my local airfield, spending some time elsewhere, it's still got it's N prefix (so imported via, iirc, Norfolk based company). My dad always preferred manual flaps for short field/soft field work in Cessna's. Due to disabilities I've always preferred electric flaps.
That other guy on the radio, "9 miles straight in". In other words, I don't care if multiple planes are in the pattern, get out of my way because I am king. Man those people make my blood boil!!!! Someone should tell him to get in line!!! If you want to shoot 737 approaches, go to a controlled airfield!!!
I owned a 172c with no rear window they are so much cooler in outback Australia, I had flap gap seals and with half fuel, and just me it would land with airpeed indicator not registereing, great bush plane for mustering sheep
You have probably covered it is some other videos, but it seems that I remember that there were two different camps regarding the leaf spring vs. tubular landing gear on these evolving 172's. Seems that there were many adherents to the leaf spring system. Comments or direction to that discussion would be welcome. Thank you.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thank you. Although most of my time in 172's was in the 1976 172M owned by the small airport where I trained, I did get some time in a late 60's (?) 172 that had leaf spring main gear. It was very clean and privately owned by one of the airport patrons. It had the rear window and I think it had the six cylinder. Seems like it might have been a little faster than the airport owned one, which was a work horse. Or maybe it just had airspeed in mph instead of knots. Love your videos. Thanks again.
Mark- I have completed ground school and passed my FAA Knowledge Test. I want to purchase a 172 to train with and don't know anything about the buying process. Do you act as a buyer broker/consultant, for a fee, and help with the search for an aircraft or do i have to find the plane and fly it to you for your overview. Of course, I would need mechanic to inspect as well. I was looking at 177's and see there is a gent named Keith who helps people locate those planes. I think the 177 might be too much to learn in so wanted your opinion. Love your channel. -Rob
I don't really "search" for planes for people, but if you e-mail me one that you have found, I can "vet" it and see if it is good or it is a good deal.
I nearly spit out my coffee. "What! How'd I miss THAT?!!!" But, on checking, the fanfare is still there. CZcams is messing with you. - Don the Camera Guy.
@@scotabot7826 I've never actually flown a cherokee although I wouldn't pass the opportunity if it came up. But for sure, piper knows where to glue the wings.
I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the tail dragger died
A long, long time ago, I can still remember
How a taildragger used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make my feet dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while.....
Love it Mark! I freeze thinking of how here in South Africa as a very low time pilot I did what makes me cringe today! At a 4500 ft airport altitude and 28 C ambient temp at least, I Iaunched with 3 at least 190 lns pax and myself at the same weight. Worst of all it was a 160 hp 172 with long range tanks and I topped them all!
The take off and one hour scenic flight was shockingly normal, only some time afterwards I realized what I had inadvertently done.
That is why I know that so many low time pilots survive after bad decisions because they are in a Cessna. If that was a Piper I would not be telling this story. Years before I did my PPL, I flew as passenger in a Piper Arrow. OMG I remember there were CG issues and nervousness before we even got into the sir. If that had been a 172RG or a 177 Cardinal it would not even have been an issue even if weight and CG issues were overlooked.
Cessnas are definitely forgiving aircraft. Glad you made it!
We own a 172D. The paperwork indicates it was assembled in 1962. That was a fun discussion with the insurance company. As you stated they are cheap to maintain, operate and insure. Enjoyed the video.
That sort of year model/production date mismatch wasn't all that uncommon. Back "in the day", airplane manufacturers worked on a schedule much like automobile manufacturers. They would introduce the new model-year airplanes in the fall just like the car makers would introduce their new model-year cars. When I was a kid, we had a then brand new 1976 Archer II that was actually built in late 1975. It had a 75-xxxxxxx serial number and all the paperwork indicated a 1975 year production but it was definitely a 76 (tapered wing, etc.).
Cessna used to use the automotive "model year" system with their products. The "64" 172E I worked on was actually assembled in 1963.
I worked as maintenance officer for a flying club with a 172E and 172G. They were terrific airplanes - very easy to work on, lots of spare parts, and just a flying marshmallow in terms of handling. They were surprisingly capable airplanes too - I've removed the rear seats to haul bulky cargo, I've done 800nm IFR cross-country trips, I've flown them into uncharted grass strips ... all around great airplanes they were.
Fun video and really great to listen to you highlight the differences. I'm beginning the shopping process for a 172, it just meets so much of my mission.
They are very good aircraft.
Have been co-owner in a ‘61 172B since 1986. Love that plane.
One needs to take care not to expect much climb performance on warm days.
Rate of climb is a function of excess power and with the O-300, there isn’t much excess power!
Very True
I have owned my 1969 172K Since Sept 2010, it has been a most reliable cheap to insure (half my car insurance!) and operate and maintain. I did add a Power Flow exhaust to it and I swear that shaves off a gallon an hour of fuel burn! It has the standard O-320 E2D and 38g fuel tanks. My brother is larger than I am but with full tanks and both of us in it, on a hot and humid summer day, we can still get off the ground - might not be climbing more than 500 fpm, but it works. It's very simple and easy to fly. Over the years whenever I wanted to upgrade to a different plane, I never wanted to go IFR or anything, I would compare to my 172, and all-around, nothing beats it. The only thing I would turn t in for is a really nice tailwheel, but it would have to be really to my liking, and I know insurance would go thru the roof on that, so this is likely my plane for life. She may not be fast or pretty, but she is good for my mission...
It's good to find the plane that fits you and then keep it.
Got that 6 banger slant tail fast back Cezzna, she's a beaut Clark!
I did my PPL a Cessna 152. 5400 ft airport altitude. I was 190 pounds, instructors very much the same. We did not exceed half tanks during training. My PPL training was done in these conditions. That airschool had had no density altitude issues as far as I am aware.
A great tribute to the Cessna 152!
I did most of my PPL in a that exact plane with the Air Plains 180hp and updated Garmin instrumentation and I finished in a beat up M model. Didn’t realize what an absolute gem the D was until I got in the M
Nice 172, I like how you have all the knowledge on these aircraft, Thanks for the video
Those “fastbacks” actually look pretty sharp
It’s So interesting listening to all your knowledge about various aircraft! Still having fun in the Austin 😂
I actually sold teh Austin, not practical on the roads. Bought a Model A Ford instead.
I have a 1964 172E. Fantastic plane! You did a very accurate demo.
Thank you.
I had a 1960 A model, installed a Horton STOL kit with droop tips gap seals and STOL FENCES. Would do everything I asked, loved that plane. I was stupid and sold it.
Everyone regrets selling their planes from time to time.
I love the spring steel gear.
Can't get more simple than one piece. 😂❤
Love the sound of the O-300. They just purr like a kitten.
We bought the ‘62 172C featured in many of the Pilot Nancy videos. Our son used it to learn and solo on his 16th birthday. We no longer need it (have Bonanza) but it’s such a sweetheart just can’t possibly sell it.
Ah yes, once you have flown a Bonanza you are spoiled for everything else.
I love the older 172’s, when I was like 12 there was an older guy at the airport that had a 1957 that was like the day it came from the factory it was beautiful. But I loved because the way the older 172’s were at 12 I could see over the glare shield. I would wash it and he would fly me around for like 2 hours the third time I washed he bought me a log book and started teaching me so I could log hours what memories I had in that plane.
Did you get your license?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes, but I haven’t flown since the early 2000’s I was going to start flying again but unfortunately at 43 I have heart problems so I can’t get my medical. I thought about light sport but I’m 5’10” and 240 so there’s that.
Opening long drone shot was great and the camera mount under starboard strut, (?) belly shot, THAT was cool! Thx Mark and Don.
Love those planes
Mark, nice landing. I used to fly a 1958 172 out of Hawthorne for $9.72/hr wet. The year was 1963&1964. A C140 was $6.75/wet. Those were the days.
Yes they were.
like the new intro music! 6 vs 4 cylinder, huh.
Nice! Such a great airplane. A friend of mine has one with 180 hp.
I’d love to see you do a video of the 1960 172A. It was only built the one year. It is basically a straight tail 172 with a slant tail. So, the aircraft is 6 inches taller than the newer ones. The fuselage is more narrow, but taller, giving a much better view from the inside of the cockpit.
It’s not talked about very much but to me it’s very unique because it was only built the one year. I was told I could put a straight tail on my 172A model and it would be the same as a regular straight tail. I hope you check into them
Anyway, I enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.
I’d like to see Juan bring Harvey the 310 over for a walkthrough.
Love all you videos! I'm just over at KAUN, really hoping to come say hi one of these days. Keep it up
Great,honest presentation. Fun to watch and listen.
Thank you. More to come.
Hi, I am Mark, this is Skywagon university. "This is Mark" in the third person? - love the videos.
"we" are grateful :-)
Great, informative video.
Love the new camera angle too.
If I may suggest, when banging out all those facts and figures about year changes, windows here and there, engine types, etc, it’d be great if you could edit in clips of what you’re talking about. It’d just help reinforce the change/differences so it’s not just numbers being thrown about.
Great video as always. Love the 360 camera underneath!
Awesome, thank you!
Everyday is a school day.
I really like these they look rakish, one parks at my local airfield, spending some time elsewhere, it's still got it's N prefix (so imported via, iirc, Norfolk based company).
My dad always preferred manual flaps for short field/soft field work in Cessna's. Due to disabilities I've always preferred electric flaps.
Nice video, just like they all are... I would love if you could do a video of the C-337 Skymaster.
👍🏻
We do have access to one.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 337's are neat planes. My local crop duster has one that he uses to fly over cities to spray mosquitoes.
@@chester8420 I suppose the mix master would create aerosols out of droplets but the visibility of the bird dog would be ideal inner city. 🤔
That other guy on the radio, "9 miles straight in". In other words, I don't care if multiple planes are in the pattern, get out of my way because I am king. Man those people make my blood boil!!!! Someone should tell him to get in line!!! If you want to shoot 737 approaches, go to a controlled airfield!!!
The Watsonville, CA mid-air collision on August 19, 2022 is a good example of why this type of approach isn't always the best option.
True, Join the pattern unless there is no one there and you are sure of it.
Don’t forget these run best on Mogas, for even more savings.
Yes, That is true with a metal float in the carb.
I owned a 172c with no rear window they are so much cooler in outback Australia, I had flap gap seals and with half fuel, and just me it would land with airpeed indicator not registereing, great bush plane for mustering sheep
That is how a plane like that should be flown.
Nice job Mark
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice plane. I am a big fan of manual flaps and wish newer 172s came with them.
Very reliable.
I have a 172B! Great video.
Thanks for watching!
Nice one.
Love it! How many types in your log books Mark? I guess at this rate you’ll have many more types than hours!
A LOT of types, but no IFR and no twin and no float etc.
I had a C for 8 years. Traded for a 69 182. Nice flying plane and a little sportier than the 182.
Excellent.
The telephone did not ring! 🤤
Sorry. We'll go back and do it again. - Don the Camera Guy
I’m pretty confident the 172S models got a wider cabin
All the same from then to now on 172's. The 182 got wider by 5 inches in 1962 when it got the split rear window. .
There was a 170 A Metal tapered wing with no dihedral and basic piano hinged flaps..like on a 140...
Yes the single strut 170 with no dehedral before 52 was the A model.
Any idea what year the 172 went from the older Control Wheel(yoke) to the newer style yoke?
Hmmmm You got me. I have seem them all and each fits the other but I'm not sure when the factory did it.
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What’s the hole about in the cowling just above the air filter? Nice plane really enjoy all of your videos. Very informative.
It is literally a hole that air can go through so that the sump is cooled, so I have been told.
You have probably covered it is some other videos, but it seems that I remember that there were two different camps regarding the leaf spring vs. tubular landing gear on these evolving 172's. Seems that there were many adherents to the leaf spring system. Comments or direction to that discussion would be welcome. Thank you.
I can do a Short on the leaf vs the tube gear on Cessna's
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thank you. Although most of my time in 172's was in the 1976 172M owned by the small airport where I trained, I did get some time in a late 60's (?) 172 that had leaf spring main gear. It was very clean and privately owned by one of the airport patrons. It had the rear window and I think it had the six cylinder. Seems like it might have been a little faster than the airport owned one, which was a work horse. Or maybe it just had airspeed in mph instead of knots. Love your videos. Thanks again.
CD player? Thats going on my list
Niel Diamond.
Mark- I have completed ground school and passed my FAA Knowledge Test. I want to purchase a 172 to train with and don't know anything about the buying process. Do you act as a buyer broker/consultant, for a fee, and help with the search for an aircraft or do i have to find the plane and fly it to you for your overview. Of course, I would need mechanic to inspect as well. I was looking at 177's and see there is a gent named Keith who helps people locate those planes. I think the 177 might be too much to learn in so wanted your opinion. Love your channel. -Rob
I don't really "search" for planes for people, but if you e-mail me one that you have found, I can "vet" it and see if it is good or it is a good deal.
Do the Columbia please. I've never flown one.
OK, will do.
What was the first year/model with the 180HP engine?
1998. All 180 HP 172's from 1956 to 1986 are conversions, either Avcon (Mooney M20C engine and prop) or Pen Yann or Air Plains, both fixed pitch.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 thank you sir
No fanfare???
Come on man!!!
I nearly spit out my coffee. "What! How'd I miss THAT?!!!" But, on checking, the fanfare is still there. CZcams is messing with you. - Don the Camera Guy.
Classic of a plane. Shame the wings are in the wrong place.
You have to be talking about the land-o-matic Cherokee!! Do they even have rudder pedals?? Ha Ha....
@@scotabot7826 I've never actually flown a cherokee although I wouldn't pass the opportunity if it came up. But for sure, piper knows where to glue the wings.
I'm really not bothered where wings are attached as long as they remain attached in flight.
@@markthibault8579 a fair point.
I fly a low winger Mooney, BUT all birds have high wings.