Here's WHY The 2024 Mustang Isn't SELLING!
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- 2024 Mustang GT has been out for almost a year but sales number shows that it isn't as successful as the S550 Mustang GT. Today we look at why the 2024 mustang gt isn't selling compared to the 2023 mustang GT.
While S650 Mustang GT is a next generation of the Mustang, it does not feel like much of an upgrade over the current S550 Mustang GT. I give my thoughts on 3 reasons why S650 Mustang GT isn't selling.
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pricing has to be the #1 reason. so many Mustang owners mention that they themselves couldn’t afford to re-buy their same trim level in the current year.
100%! My trim level is 8k more in msrp for a car that just hasn’t changed much. Do you plan to upgrade yours?
So true. Here in Canada, to buy the same trim level and have it optioned similarly, it would cost around $73000 after tax. Mine's not even a premium GT.
My dealership offered an upgrade, extra 40 bucks per month payment, but downgraded interior, I have a 401a, they were trying to sell me the 200a, which is crazy
@@Red5oh the only upgrade in store for me are better performance parts as the stock equipment wears. if anything unfortunate were to happen to my current s550, i would replace it with a 2023 Mach1.
Definitely pricing. A base GT is nearly $45k MSRP before taxes! I paid $48k for my 2020 premium GT PP2 with every option.
When the S650 was announced I quickly bought a late S550, because I don't want the tablet. I want the hardware buttons. Also I like the design of the S550 more. But if is mostly the tablet.
Yeah and not to mention 15-20% price difference for property much the same car
yup. most new cars and trucks are ipads with wheels that will last 7 years then you junk it.
Same here... even before production. All i needed to see was pictures of the dash(think Lincoln Corsair) and the rear end(think Hyundi) Front end looks pretty good.. I first thought CAMARO.. BUT got to liking it. OVERALL IT IS UGLY. That's why I bought a 2022, inJan. 2023 there were no 23's on the lots... on my diff from 22 to 23 was $100 .. no option or looks change. So I wasn't about to wait!!!
I miss the good ol days when you could get a used base gt with low mileage for around 25k
Right?! I remember getting 27k for brand new base GT with stick shift back in2016
I miss when I bought my first and only 90 model foxx off the lot. I graduated in 1987 and my Dad suprised me with a brand new Trans AM that was a white t-top with red interior. I loved that car but in the quarter mile the mustang guys would always put a minimum of 4 lengths on me and some would put as many as 6 or 7. Top end though I gave most of them all they wanted. Anyway in 1990 I wanted to get something else and I was working offshore for Pennzoil so money was good. I seen a grey/silver 5.0 that I couldn’t take my eyes off of. Long story short I came home in my new titanium 5.0 with the premium package and picked up a friend to go back out there to drive the Trans AM home for me. The total price for the mustang was 13,500 dollars , tax, title , dealership fees etc. That’s what I miss about mustangs the most.
P.S. That Trans AM went a little over
500,000 miles when the last guy that bought it just pulled it out. He lived about 3 miles from me and thought I would want to see what he thought was the coolest thing. Instead, he ruined it. The motor didn’t even set in the car correctly. It was sitting crooked in the engine bay. Now it’s sitting out in a field where it’s been for almost 30 years burned to the ground.
I bought a 2019 mustang GT premium with the 401a package and ten speed for 31k back in November. Had 31k miles when I bought it. There’s still good deals out there. I’d never buy a new car. 2-3 years from now it’ll be much cheaper to buy a 2024 GT.
@CahtzHD I been waiting 2-3 years to get a good deal kn a 2019-2023 but now I saw the 2024 and nkw think I'll have to wait another 2-3 years for the 2024 😂
Cost of living has gone up..people are hurting
Yeah wages never keep up! They need to increase our wages too
@@Red5ohWork harder and stop complaining I got my dark horse at 20 years old. I sacrificed a lot and worked really hard.
@@ltsAnthony righttt you're 20 you don't know anything about the real world soy boy
It's not wages or working hard it's the governments fault they don't know how to budget so life gets hard for its citizens.
@@ltsAnthonyYou sound like a trust fund baby. Plenty of people work plenty hard, but since you were born yesterday, you'll find that life is way more complicated than "work hard."
The national rate of inflation from pandemic was 10%. Dealers and manufactures marked cars up 20-40%. That is borderline criminal and educated consumers wont put up with it. Cars will sit. However people who are finacially irrespnsible have no problem purchasing cars at 20% +financing but they are now out of the market and cars being repoed
Yeah when 2024 first rolled out I asked my dealer and they wanted $2k mark up. Now it’s 4-5k off
We all like the fact that Ford kept the V8, manual mustang. Ballsy and awesome but if you build it like dog crap and sell it like diamonds the villagers will not rejoice…
💯
Yeah I’m definitely happy the V8 still exists unlike the competition
@@Red5oh - it’s a huge saving grace for them. Now price it right and build it well and I’ll be in!
@@devnull128 yup! It’s a better problem to have than non V8 mustang lol
2018 GT Premium owner - iPad dash 🤢 - Will be hanging on to my S550, a great car🤠🇺🇸
Yeah I personally don't mind the iPad dash having gotten extensive with 2 S650s but I see why it's not everyone's style
"The secrets out!" The economy is a dumpster fire, gasoline cost is not coming down anytime soon, the employment numbers in the US are in the dirt, many people are struggling. All that said, i genuinely think its great that there are still people in the world that are fortunate enough to be completely oblivious to reality.
"It sure is cloudy in the kitchen."
Those arent clouds, thats smoke, your house is burning down around you.
It’s coming down in November 🇺🇸
Gas is coming down now
bidenomics...the biden wants to get re-elected
Yeah this economy doesn’t help. Many people don’t have enough disposable income to be buying a sports car
Uhhh it’s the same car but cost 25-40% more
Yeah that’s the real problem here
Another reason they might not be selling is car insurance has doubled in the last couple of years. I was looking to buy a new gt until i got a insurance quote and decided not to buy.
I didn’t realize until you said that lol. My premium has slowly gone up with over past 2 years without changes to drivers or cars
I wanted a GT California Special Convertible and the new 24's were going for around 70K. So, I waited and looked around for a s550 GT/CS and all the sudden a 2021 GT/CS white, convertible with only 6,400 miles showed up for 39K and it has all the goodies and a 6 speed, and I love my new/used Mustang. To me it's new, not a mark on it ... an old guy had it and he passed away.
That’s pretty much brand new! Almost 30k off than new one for a relatively similar car. It’s a no brainer really
You are absolutely right. A loaded 2024 S650 GT Premium was going to cost me $64,000 in August 2023. Instead I bought a 2023 Mach 1 for $57,000, about $7000 off sticker.
Considering the change to the s650 wasn't really that big.. the inability to tune them is the nail in the coffin. Everything else is kinda wish wash, subject to change year to year, but until tuners can do their thing, these things will never be interesting.
Yeah even without the fact there isn’t much change compared to s550 is what’s holding most buyers back. If they own s550 they aren’t tempted to upgrade. If they don’t then they can get s550 and save money and tune it too
I ordered one in January. Delivered with a deep scratch this week. Sad because I can’t take delivery of a 50k+ car with that :(
I’m so sorry to hear that! I hope the dealer discounts it off or fixes it. I personally wouldn’t take the delivery unless it was a rare combo
No!, it's not the cost why it was not selling,. Their interior designer was in payroll of rival coompany. S650 dash sucks!, " tablets" was placed in dash like bill boards.😂. Place the s550 dash inside the s650 and it' s over. Can place a tablet with those graphics and tech in the middle and it' ll look fine. Cockpit is the problem of s650.
Lol 😂 unfortunately that’s all the cars now with tablet design and taking away all the buttons
I have always wanted a Mustang and I liked the screens way better in this model. I got a good discount and didn’t go crazy with a premium. I am loving it so far. The strut brace makes a huge difference.
Congrats on the new Mustang! Enjoy the car and ignore the haters. It's still a great car its just pricing is an issue.
I honestly think these car companies purposely push these prices up just to see what the absolute highest price they will pay before it starts hurting sales, then adjust if needed.
100%. Profit is what motivates a company and if people will pay then they charge that. Same with dealer markup if people stopped paying the mark ups then dealers will have no choice but to drop the mark ups
I think it was dumb not offering the manual on the S550 New Edge Ecoboost (the 2024 Mustang). Some people who want the honor of being able to buy a brand new Mustang, but can not afford the GT may be manual lovers....not offering it on the ecoboost even though it sold under 10% is still wrong and will alienate some fans and push some Mustang fans to get something like a GR86 instead.
Yup 100% agree with you especially this generation is pretty similar to s550 so it’s not like it would’ve cost extra to add the manual on s550. It just allows the option to keep buyers in Mustang family rather going to competition
I barely see 2024 mustangs around. Dealers are fully stocked on the lots. They are currently $7k to $10k off sticker.
If you find a dealership discounting 2024 Mustang GT’s by $10,000, I would highly recommend you purchase a few of them. The maximum amount any Ford dealership can discount a base mustang GT is $5000. That is just to get it off their lot. They will hit you with $1000 dealer fee to make up the lost thousand dollars on that discount. There are no backend incentives right now for the dealership. If for any reason you find a dealership knocking off $10,000, please let me know immediately.
Are those the basic models or on the GT's as well.
Please post names and locations of “verified” dealerships that are discounting mustang GT‘s by $10,000. If you’re gonna talk the talk, walk the walk. Names please
Seen only $3000 if your a ford employee..
@@michaelfrock2473 GT’s as well.
I had a GT on order and the pricing started hitting the price a BMW M2. I got the M2.
Yeah bmw M2 is definitely a nicer for same price as mustang GT. It’s more special so will hold its value better
Those sales numbers are actually pretty damn good! In 2023 We were not in a full recession. 2024, we are in a full recession/depression. Compare any other cars sales numbers, and you will see that these numbers are not bad at all. But the three reasons why the mustang is not selling better than it is is because of - recession/recession/recession! Ford will slow/stop production as to hold the value of the vehicle up! The S650 is a much better vehicle than the S550!!! it is sleeker/refined/more modern/and a much better drivers car! Just the way the vehicle is insulated as compared to before is worlds apart! And the interior is a proper interior for a vehicle of this price range. Anyone here stating they haven’t traded their S550 for the S650 for whatever reason is just because they cannot afford to upgrade.
Ford sold over 166,000 Mustangs in 2006. In fact the sales for the 05-09 model blows away any sales since. The fact is Ford ruined the look of the Mustang and on top of that they made them crazy expensive.
Those are definitely low numbers no matter how you put it. Yes improvements are good but they are minor aside from interior tech. It’s a performance car and people were hoping either more HP or tremec in regular GTs
@@Red5oh it’s all about price point! They did bump the horsepower up a tiny bit and improved the vehicle all around and you can still buy one for $41,000. And that’s with no factory incentives whatsoever. In this economy, it’s an expensive bargain not everyone can afford right now since we are in an economic depression.Lol.
I've had both S550 and now S650 . The S650 is worth every cent it's that good, great driving car looks way better, price were about the same . ''last call'' for dodge and chevy so they lost some too them
Interesting! Your experience seem to be complete opposite of mine lol. Enjoy the new Mustang!
I have 18,000 miles on it. I am 6’3”
And I can stretch my legs all the way out when driving.so that helps vs 550 I could not .I have the premium model with a355 rear gear fuel average is 22.2 per mile
I ride alot of i95 in Florida witch is flat ground and I have no tract shocks witch helps with the ride. Rolling on 18”S with a little thicker tire for those long ride I make.
I add a little E 85 and I'm good.
Idk, it kinda looks like a Camaro sometimes. I do like the The black horse. Looks bit different.
Yes I agree on the looks, it ride a bit like the chevy, I think they were trying to pick up some camaro people also with having last call.
i agree. I had a 19 that got rear-ended by a semi. I just got an atlas blue base GT. It comes with alot more then i got on my mid optioned s550. Brembo 4 piston front brakes but they work great and much beefier 14 inch rotors front and rear and a larger caliper. Its got afaster steering rack and its more balanced then my 19 was from the factory. I also believe ford under rated these cars HP wise.
Compared to the 15-23 it’s pretty darn ugly
I think they look good but I prefer 18-23 as well
The new Mustang may look good but the all digital cluster screen is something that I’m NOT interested in purchasing. I want the option of real gauges for a cluster. These screens have a tendency to wear out faster and Ford will stop making replacements at some point so I just do not want the headaches with that.
Not only that but it will be costly to repair. And since everything is controlled by it like for syncnscreen you can’t just not repair it or you’ll lose all the controls
The other reason the s650 isn’t selling well is because it looks gay. So that doesn’t help.
Lol
Nice review. I’ll keep my S550 GT350R Heritage. Thanks for sharing.
That car is truly special!! I wouldn’t trade it for any s650
I inquired about a Dark Horse recently and was told that every dealer has an allotment of these and I could get on a list for one at a premium price, I told the salesman that I would wait until they had them available for a discount price and he laughed at me. I wonder who’s laughing now.
You made the right choice! My local dealer wanted $2k over msrp and now they have it discounted to $5k off
I got my 2024 last month, I had my eye on this particular car for months. The dealer was hurting to get rid of it and dropped it $7k below MSRP
Was it Ourisman Ford?
CZcamsrs are showcasing all that can be done with the 24s and it is limited.
Yeah until tuning is unlocked it will be like that
Anyone know when the tuning will be unlocked
@@panglingaowNever if people keep fucking buying them
Most mustang buyers aren’t modding it
I have a 2015 S550 assembled on the first full day of production. I've taken that car autocrossing regularly and it's withstood the punishment. I'm keeping that car for a long, long time
Yeah mustangs generally are really reliable. Glad your car is holding up fine!
If they replace the screens with gauges back in the dash and put tactile controls for AC and radio back I will buy one.
I would like hvac controls to be physical but don’t mind the interior screens. It’s modern and has good customization
@@Red5oh I don’t mind a screen in the center of the dash above the AC controls, however, I want real guages setback into the dash behind the steering wheel. The current setup is just lazy and out of place.
I have 2019GT and now in Europe 2024GT costs 50% more which is crazy not to mention that awful interior. I will only change my 2019GT to S650 if after face lift it will be better in that interior and backlights, also price should drop.
Yeah prices are crazy on the new 2024s. I’m hoping a refresh will at least bring out changes to justify price hike
Issue was financing. This month they finally offered Ford Special financing. I agree totally as well with price. I had a Darkhorse was fantastic however with the economy unloaded her. Just picked up a base GT with active exhaust for 42k. The premium is 10 grand more and on the roads where I live the base GT is more than enough and now comes standard with front Brembro. Most of the dealers are adding frivolous dealer installed items to inflate the cost. The changes are not enough for someone who owns a well equipped s550. But I will say she is a Hell of a ride for those looking.
Yeah I can’t believe their special financing is 3.99 where it used to be 0% easily. Base is admittedly a better buy than most trims because it still packs great tech and keeps the V8 affordable
Does the s650gt a10 actually feel any slower than a stock s550 18-23 gt a10 to you?
No having driven both they feel more or less the same
I drove a standard today, they told me to drive it like it was mine to feel the power and hear that mustang sound. Went 1 mile with the salesman, my 2018 GT is still better.
I think the previous generation looked better 🙂↔️ and prices is also a problem for a lot of people
Prices and interest rates are a huge problem for new Mustang or I guess really any new car
Actually, they haven’t broken into the computer yet!! 18-23 can be tuned 100+ hp! Until they crack the computer. They will be down!
Yes tuning will help sales as most mustang buyers get the mustang for performance.
If your a Cars/Coffee , Car Show, or even a Track guy there is a spot for every year Mustang because all years are pretty cool so the upgrade aspect isn’t the greatest, I wouldn’t go from my Mach 1 HP to a Dark Horse because the money difference is too much so you really need people that don’t currently own a Mustang to buy a 2024 to get the sales up , I don’t know anyone getting rid of their current Mustang for a 2024
Yeah going from M1 to DH doesn’t make sense since cars are very similar. If I had early 2015-2017 model then upgrade would make sense
I have 1998 mustang gt and im keeping it
The only reason I want a Mustang is because Chevy stopped making the Camaro. But, my current Camaro is still pretty new, and the Mustang I would want is kind of pricey.
Yeah I want Dark or the 2020 shelby cobra because dodge stop putting V8s in their cars. But both cars are too damn expensive for me at the moment
@@Jevonechy , I can relate. I’m considering saving up for a Dark Horse. If I option a GT premium the way I want, it’s the same price as a Dark Horse. I’d rather have that Tremmec 6 speed manual anyways. Hopefully Ford is still selling them in 2026.
@joehenry9546 yeah I've seen a couple of premiums that I like as well, but I'm just sold on the dark horse honestly. But best of luck to you ! I hope you're able to achieve your goals. I'm definitely going to be working hard to get my dream car . It's not easy, but it will definitely be worth it once we get it.
Yeah Mustang is a better daily car but Camaro is a better performing car especially with the 1LE package
I got my S650 in September of 2023. So how about people like me who ordered when order banks opened in March and got their cars early. How is that effecting some of the 1st quarter sales numbers? Many people ordered them early since they were new body style and year model.
That’s a good point! Those aren’t factored in so I’d be curious to see what the yearly sales number look like once 2024 is being cycled out for 2025.
i just bought a used 2019 ecoboost. The increase in price of these cars, increase of delivery fees, on top of everything else (more tax, fees, etc)... it just made sense for me to buy a used one and save $10k+. Had I financed the car I probably would've bought new because the interest rates I've seen from the dealership seem to be a lot better than what you could get on a used car (around 2.99% or maybe even lower). It's still a lot to pay for a new mustang though imo.
Yeah great choice on getting the S550 as it is more or less the same car compared to S650 and of course you save ton of money getting the used one!
We still have a lot of 2024 year left we're not even half way
Yeah dealers are starting to discount them now that they realize they can sell them close msrp
I agree. I sold my 21 GT in 23 and purchased a 24 GT about a month ago. It's a great car, but so was my 21. Performance wise, I honestly can't tell the difference. It handles better but my 24 has the PP and my 21 didn't 🤷🏾♂️
I got the s650 GT January 4th, paid under MSRP for it, have about 15,000 miles on it now.
Initially just didn’t like the headlights, but they’ve grown on me. To me it’s the subtle touches that add up to the difference from the last gen. It feels like the right balance between modernization and that classic American v8. I really enjoy the screens but still got the warranty in case something happened to them so I definitely agree there should be some more actual buttons. 😂
Yeah it’s not a bad car but price is an issue. If you got a good deal then it makes sense. Were you coming from S550 GT?
@@Red5oh Yeah, and my buddy still has his ecoboost s550. I look online every now and then at prices and on average I got mine around 8-10,000 less than the others so far
I think it all is on the economy. The economy drove the prices up on the cars and the interest rates were driven up. It is not just Mustangs. It's food, houses, etc... The dealerships putting ADM on cars is the icing on the cake. I'd love to have a S650 based car, but now isn't the time to buy much of anything, let alone a Mustang.
I remember when they first launched my dealer wanted $2k mark up on GT but now it’s 4k. Off without haggling
I got a 22 CPO with 6k miles that was a garage queen with PP1, mag ride, recaro, active exhaust and more for 25k less than a 24 spec’d out the same. Is way too much money for a face change. And that newer front end doesn’t look as good. Gutted the charcoal filter stuff and add an H pipe and I’m making more power and torque that the 24. If you really want the look the headlights and tails are a direct swap
Yeah used cpo are great deals given 2024 isn’t much of an upgrade and you save a lot of money. You can also tune it if you want to go crazy with hp
Because it’s ugly and expensive. Go look at the sales data by year. The last time the Mustang sold very well was for the 05-09 Mustang. In 2006 they sold over 166,000 cars. They have not come close to that number for any of the newer cars.
Yeah S197 with that retro look really took the world by surprise. Despite having 3v it sold really well
The tablet of dash ruined my waiting list for getting the s650 and next month I will search for a s550 instead and looks better in my opinion.
Yeah used S550 is a much better deal for fraction of the cost compared to new s650
@Red5oh yes car prices are still crazy high Lol
I want one but I’m waiting for prices to come down.
Prices too high and people can’t afford cheese.
Also, Fords quality has been slipping lately. People if spending money are gonna get the best for their money.
Hence why I didn’t get a S650 yet and went and bought a new RAV4.
Yeah some dealers are starting to discount them to make room for 2025 mustangs now but agreed build quality on my s550 isn’t all that
It's prices an bank got a choke hold on the financial market
Yeah that’s a factor as well! Crazy interest rates
It was the same thing when they went from 2017's to 18's too, the power went up slightly and so did the weight and the only real gain was they started putting the 10 speeds in them.. And people who know, Know the Gen 2's were better than the Gen 3's as far as looks and less headaches.. This is what the 2018 and up guy's do they minimize the 24's and the 17's to make themselves feel better about having a 20, 22, or 23..
But at least that was a refresh this is a new generation where the difference should’ve been big enough to justify the increased cost
I don’t like the looks of the new one as much as the last one!
Yeah looks are subjective. The new one has grown on me but still prefer S550
When you take the value component out of the mustang, accompanied by dealerships, not budging on price you’re going to get stagnant sales
Yes! Mustang has always been a value proposition once you start charging near C8 corvette and M4 money, it will result in less sales for obvious reasons
Got my '24 GT Premium 401A package for $4,000 off sticker, however I think this is pretty typical. Purchased first week of May. I think it's a FANTASTIC car. I like the interior/exterior/tech updates much much more than the S550, which was beginning to become quite dated in my opinion.
Yeah now I’m starting to see discounts on the 2024 models as they make room for 2025.
You can get about $8500 off here in OKC on all Mustangs, tons of them sitting. You can almost get the whipple package here and pay right at MSRP for the mustang with the discounts.
What dealer is that? I need to know 👀
@@Red5oh looks like Metro Ford in OKC is running discounts of 6k plus, I pulled up a GT Premium with 8200 off
@@JohnSmith-fi2ck maybe in person. Their website barely has discounts
Cost is #1. Then interest rates. I personally think the new body style is ugly. Too angular and chunky. Almost like they started trying to copy the camaro. I much prefer the sleek lines of the outgoing style..
I don't mind the new body style but agree on pricing and interest rates that is keeping most buyers at bay
As a Mustang fan, I don’t like the look of the 2024 model. The headlights, the dash. No thank you.
Yeah most fans seems to think either it looks too similar from outside or that interior is too different. I have drive few S650s and have actually gotten used to the dash
The price and the hideous computer screen as a dash will keep me from buying one
The interior is actually not that bad
I own 3 Mustangs. A 2014 S197, 2023 S550, and a 2024 S650. The price increase is justified because of all the new technology in the 2024 and it isn't as much as people make it out to be. Roughly about $2800 increase for the base Ecoboost and GT. If a $2800 increase is keeping you from buying a car you probably can't afford it anyway. And the biggest reason the 2024s arent selling as wellis because the locked ECU. If you can't tune the car a lot of car enthusiasts don't want it because upgrading and tuning is part of the Mustang car culture.
Agreed on tuning. But for pricing it’s because wages haven’t kept up. Everything is gone up it’s not just the car price. The insurance and gas related to your car has gone up and of course your other household expenses. However wages are still going up 3-4% for most individuals
I love mustangs but with interest rates like they are and just the tag here in my state on a base 5.0. Is going.to cost you 2000.00 dollars. I agree with you and think that the prices are why they’re not selling.
Yeah even the recently advertised special rate is 3.99 where that used to be a bad rate on a new car and you could get 0%
The cost to upgrade from s550 to s650 doesn’t fit the minimal model changes made. I like the s650 a lot and the fact that ford continues the v8 makes me love the Mustang more and I want to support the v8 more than ever. Ford needs to reduce the prices 10-15% to help us help them and keep the v8 alive and well.
Yeah that’s exactly. It’s a good car but diff it to justify when s550 exists with fraction of the price
Definitely not enough changes, doors and center console same, seats same, shifter exactly the same, just doesn’t make sense, and not to mention some dealers are still marking them up, especially the Darkhorse, insane
Yeah I found it strange when is sat that doors were exactly like my s550 lol. if you’re gonna keep the car similar then at least price it right
New C8 vettes are now listed for roughly 10% off here in new england area.
Ford needs to atleast match 10% off to sell these things
Yeah especially with DH with mark ups around the same price. No wat in picking that over a c8
40 to 50k for a weekend car is crazy. I had a 2024 lt1 Camaro I loved the car but I traded it in for a truck that I can do a lot more things with.
Yeah disposable income is a lot limited these past few years with everything going up
Mustangs were affordable cars for the working man and women but now they are just outrageously price. They became unaffordable not just on price but the insurance companies as well ripping people off
Yeah compared to inflation data the price is comparable but because wages haven’t kept up it seems even higher
They have a ton of these on the lots in central Florida. They are priced way too high but most dealers are discounting them a few thousand and there is a finance incentive. Even with a discount they are very slow to sell. After owning a 2016 Mustang GT premium, I'm done with Mustang. I have a 2022 Camaro SS 1LE now and it cost less than the 2024 Mustang GT which is no where near as good.
Yeah 1LE is in a league of its own. You need a dark horse or Mach 1 to compete but to your point prices are ridiculous on those trim levels
curious to see what the worldwide sales will do to those figures. All configurators were set online in February 2024 here in Europe. Ordered a Dark Horse, got a good deal on my 2015 GT, but yes pricing is definitely a topic. The 2015 GT was around €44-45k here (PP & Premium), the 2024 GT is starting at €60k (PP & Premium) and the Dark Horse at €70k . We don't really have the choice here between none PP or non Premium, probably for build purposes and how they have to adapt it to EU regulations.
Yeah I’d be curious how it’s doing overseas. Do you guys have mark ups on vehicles too
@@Red5oh nope we got them MSRP as in the configurator. I got 1500 off mine because I know the dealer owners, but other than that most of the other buyers (Germans, Spaniards, French, etc.) ordered for MSRP.
Dark horse in Australia can cost upto $140k with a few options ticked bit too much really. And we're still waiting for them to be released it's all pre orders for now
Geez that’s expensive! Are dealers marking up as well?
@Red5oh nope standard price they start at $115k add options it goes up fast! Carbon wheels are $20k option.
Also they're only releasing 1000 of them here in the first year though we still havnt seen them yet haha
@@markcostanzo5662 at least no mark ups! Here in the Us it’s crazy with all the mark ups on DH
I bought my s650 because I had ford dealerships try and sell me a silver 2019 400a package with 45,455 miles for $49,000. Another example I found a blue pp1 2019 400a package with the hardliner falling off and rims curbed up, and they wanted around the same price.
headliner*
Congrats on the S650! Yes I agree in your case it's a no brainer to get the new car with warranty for similar price
@@Red5oh Indeed as you said “no brainer”
@@Red5oh thank you
GT is actually up 13 percent in sales according to Ford. The Ecoboost is the model that is down.
Doesn't help that EB price has gone up perhaps rental lots aren't picking them up as much
Let's go Brandon!
Lol 😂
Differently seen more New Mustangs on the road compared to Nissan Z.
Nissan Z doesn’t exist. It was an alternate reality when they announced the car 😂but so true!
Sales on all performance cars are down across the entire industry....
But typically new models see a spike from previous generation. But. Not the case here
I think the other issue is there’s no time yet for the s650 you can pretty much deck that car and run lows all day long
Yeah once tuning is unlocked it will change things and hopefully better sales
The price is too high, and the electronics are locked so the owners can't enhance the car by themselves. Then, look at the S550 and S650, and you can barely them apart. Ford has lost their way on the Mustang. Hopefully, they can find a way back before it is too late.
Yeah it feels like more of a refresh and that’s the problem. Tuning as well. Most mustang owners want to modify but can’t due to no tuning
Dont foget the insane interest rates
Yup! Typically around 6% for new cars which is crazy
Ford offers 1.9 for 48 months and 3.9 for 60.. they have one of the best if not the best apr available for any gasoline car
The 2024 Mustang isn't selling because outside of Toyota and Honda not too many cars are selling.
Yeah doesn’t help that interest rates on cars are pretty bad
I've only seen 2 650s since they came out . There 50k now . I bought my premium 2016 for 31k . And it's the same car
I have the only one in my tri county area so the cops definitely see me… but I paid 40k for mine, and they definitely are not the same car
@jacobnunn7923 well of course you own one. Your not gonna say it's a overpriced s550 . Same interior buttons same doors but with honda screens in the dash . Same gaps the s550 had . They obviously tweeked it . But they had to its a 10 years difference. Same thing with the dark horse. Used gt350 trans and parts and a gt500 block and up a little power . Nothing you couldn't do with a gen 3 gt
Yeah if i was to spec similar to my 2019 it’s $8k more which is crazy
And those screens are disgusting
I don’t mind the screens actually. I didn’t like it at first but now don’t mind them
Sales are down everywhere ! The economy sucks people don't have money especially 50 grand for a new sports car that gets 19 mpg combined !!!
Yeah not much disposable income going around to be spending on a sports car
I have seen a lot of the 2024 mustangs out..
I have seen them at car shows but not out and about on the roads
I personally just like the s550s better but that’s just me. Also I think the dark horse looks super cool but I’m not paying 70-85k for an NA mustang making 500 which is more like 450 or so to the wheels just because it “looks cooler”. That’s outrageous. I got my c7 zo6 built car for about that I just can’t justify it in my head. I wish they threw a SC on the dark horse that would’ve made it worth it for me
There’s a lot of cars for $70k that I’d buy before dark horse despite being a Mustang fan. Heck 2020 gt500 msrp was $70k
People's Rent is Constantly increasing
Yes the economy has been one of the reasons too
For me is the price and sometimes the 2024 looks like a camero. Lol that’s my personal opinion haha
Yeah I don’t mine the looks but price is a big one
Extreme inflation is probably one of several reasons. FJB!
Lol
#1 reason…. Too expensive
Bingo! It’s too much for a car that didn’t improve as much as
@@Red5oh I like the 15-up but not the new ones rear end
Love mine
That’s awesome!
The new one finally has a premium interior which the mustang has failed to offer…. A Corolla and Camry can come with leather powered seats NO the premium pack never felt like a luxurious car. It now has way more tech, a digital dash which is so 2017 … only took Ford 7 yrs, and now they got color changing ambient lighting
Yeah the interior is a huge upgrade in terms of tech, there's no denying that. Of course it comes at a good price, but I have been saying that even the base mustang is a great deal for tech
The price and the styling (tail end) is terrible
Yeah styling isn’t that bad seeing it in person but pricing is what’s holding majority of the people
For me, it's way over priced. Too much plastic with a crappy looking interior.
Yeah price is a major contributor
And you can’t tune the 5.0 2024🚨
Yes once tuning is uncooked it will get better
That red
mustang looks so generic and plain, not impressed
Lol I like it but I’m biased
#1 reason why Mustang’s are not selling is because not enough Girly drivers are not buying them 😂
Lol still plenty rentals out there. But yeah pricing and interest rates aren’t helping
I'd rather have a challenger
Dodge can’t give those away
I love the design but too heavy
I don't know what you guys are talking about man I bought mine for 33,900 with active exhaust
That’s $12k off msrp lol. You aren’t getting that on a 2024 even with employee plan
After a 10k down?
I drove a standard today. Only incentives were 1. $1,000 extra of I traded in my 2018 GT 2. $1,000 for first responder/military and 3. $1,000 just because they were nice. Brought it to the 45k range for a regular gt. They weren't interested in numbers talk unless I was going to leave with it today.
And you Can’t Tune it 🐐
That’s a big reason!
Can’t tune it.. the end
Yea if tuning is unlocked it could be a game changer
Heavier, can’t be tuned,weak power numbers and ugly.
Pretty much spot on
Darkhorse not work 70k plus.....
Yeah that was gt500 msrp in 2020. It’s crazy
The S650 is way overpriced and overrated, as are all vehicles in this class with trucks and suv's as well. People are absolute idiots who are willing to pay $50k plus for any Ford, GM, Stellantic, Hyundai, Kia, BMW and the list goes on. Hate this world
Lets see.
1). The desgn sucks.
2). They are overpriced.
3). The dash display looks like a pizza.
4). No tune upgrades.
Shpuld I go on????
You pretty covered them all sir! Maybe if the price goes down, it might improve the sales