Here's WHY The 2024 Mustang Isn't SELLING!

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  • čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
  • 2024 Mustang GT has been out for almost a year but sales number shows that it isn't as successful as the S550 Mustang GT. Today we look at why the 2024 mustang gt isn't selling compared to the 2023 mustang GT.
    While S650 Mustang GT is a next generation of the Mustang, it does not feel like much of an upgrade over the current S550 Mustang GT. I give my thoughts on 3 reasons why S650 Mustang GT isn't selling.
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  • @xrmerkur
    @xrmerkur Před měsícem +76

    pricing has to be the #1 reason. so many Mustang owners mention that they themselves couldn’t afford to re-buy their same trim level in the current year.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +6

      100%! My trim level is 8k more in msrp for a car that just hasn’t changed much. Do you plan to upgrade yours?

    • @Guy9998
      @Guy9998 Před měsícem +1

      So true. Here in Canada, to buy the same trim level and have it optioned similarly, it would cost around $73000 after tax. Mine's not even a premium GT.

    • @js_392
      @js_392 Před měsícem +1

      My dealership offered an upgrade, extra 40 bucks per month payment, but downgraded interior, I have a 401a, they were trying to sell me the 200a, which is crazy

    • @xrmerkur
      @xrmerkur Před měsícem

      @@Red5oh the only upgrade in store for me are better performance parts as the stock equipment wears. if anything unfortunate were to happen to my current s550, i would replace it with a 2023 Mach1.

    • @bigmixx
      @bigmixx Před měsícem +2

      Definitely pricing. A base GT is nearly $45k MSRP before taxes! I paid $48k for my 2020 premium GT PP2 with every option.

  • @nobbone
    @nobbone Před měsícem +40

    When the S650 was announced I quickly bought a late S550, because I don't want the tablet. I want the hardware buttons. Also I like the design of the S550 more. But if is mostly the tablet.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +3

      Yeah and not to mention 15-20% price difference for property much the same car

    • @RS-of1om
      @RS-of1om Před 22 dny +2

      yup. most new cars and trucks are ipads with wheels that will last 7 years then you junk it.

    • @rich4860
      @rich4860 Před 5 dny +1

      Same here... even before production. All i needed to see was pictures of the dash(think Lincoln Corsair) and the rear end(think Hyundi) Front end looks pretty good.. I first thought CAMARO.. BUT got to liking it. OVERALL IT IS UGLY. That's why I bought a 2022, inJan. 2023 there were no 23's on the lots... on my diff from 22 to 23 was $100 .. no option or looks change. So I wasn't about to wait!!!

  • @brandonjohnson5205
    @brandonjohnson5205 Před měsícem +32

    I miss the good ol days when you could get a used base gt with low mileage for around 25k

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +1

      Right?! I remember getting 27k for brand new base GT with stick shift back in2016

    • @grantwilks8706
      @grantwilks8706 Před měsícem +2

      I miss when I bought my first and only 90 model foxx off the lot. I graduated in 1987 and my Dad suprised me with a brand new Trans AM that was a white t-top with red interior. I loved that car but in the quarter mile the mustang guys would always put a minimum of 4 lengths on me and some would put as many as 6 or 7. Top end though I gave most of them all they wanted. Anyway in 1990 I wanted to get something else and I was working offshore for Pennzoil so money was good. I seen a grey/silver 5.0 that I couldn’t take my eyes off of. Long story short I came home in my new titanium 5.0 with the premium package and picked up a friend to go back out there to drive the Trans AM home for me. The total price for the mustang was 13,500 dollars , tax, title , dealership fees etc. That’s what I miss about mustangs the most.

    • @grantwilks8706
      @grantwilks8706 Před měsícem

      P.S. That Trans AM went a little over
      500,000 miles when the last guy that bought it just pulled it out. He lived about 3 miles from me and thought I would want to see what he thought was the coolest thing. Instead, he ruined it. The motor didn’t even set in the car correctly. It was sitting crooked in the engine bay. Now it’s sitting out in a field where it’s been for almost 30 years burned to the ground.

    • @CahtzHD
      @CahtzHD Před měsícem

      I bought a 2019 mustang GT premium with the 401a package and ten speed for 31k back in November. Had 31k miles when I bought it. There’s still good deals out there. I’d never buy a new car. 2-3 years from now it’ll be much cheaper to buy a 2024 GT.

    • @brandonjohnson5205
      @brandonjohnson5205 Před měsícem

      @CahtzHD I been waiting 2-3 years to get a good deal kn a 2019-2023 but now I saw the 2024 and nkw think I'll have to wait another 2-3 years for the 2024 😂

  • @jrrogersstang4696
    @jrrogersstang4696 Před měsícem +54

    Cost of living has gone up..people are hurting

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +12

      Yeah wages never keep up! They need to increase our wages too

    • @ltsAnthony
      @ltsAnthony Před měsícem +1

      @@Red5ohWork harder and stop complaining I got my dark horse at 20 years old. I sacrificed a lot and worked really hard.

    • @shanefowler9443
      @shanefowler9443 Před měsícem

      ​@@ltsAnthony righttt you're 20 you don't know anything about the real world soy boy

    • @jakewiththemark8
      @jakewiththemark8 Před měsícem +6

      It's not wages or working hard it's the governments fault they don't know how to budget so life gets hard for its citizens.

    • @sammiches6859
      @sammiches6859 Před měsícem

      ​@@ltsAnthonyYou sound like a trust fund baby. Plenty of people work plenty hard, but since you were born yesterday, you'll find that life is way more complicated than "work hard."

  • @jasonbozicevich1357
    @jasonbozicevich1357 Před měsícem +16

    The national rate of inflation from pandemic was 10%. Dealers and manufactures marked cars up 20-40%. That is borderline criminal and educated consumers wont put up with it. Cars will sit. However people who are finacially irrespnsible have no problem purchasing cars at 20% +financing but they are now out of the market and cars being repoed

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah when 2024 first rolled out I asked my dealer and they wanted $2k mark up. Now it’s 4-5k off

  • @devnull128
    @devnull128 Před měsícem +13

    We all like the fact that Ford kept the V8, manual mustang. Ballsy and awesome but if you build it like dog crap and sell it like diamonds the villagers will not rejoice…

    • @b5audidoggie130
      @b5audidoggie130 Před 27 dny +2

      💯

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +2

      Yeah I’m definitely happy the V8 still exists unlike the competition

    • @devnull128
      @devnull128 Před 21 dnem +1

      @@Red5oh - it’s a huge saving grace for them. Now price it right and build it well and I’ll be in!

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +2

      @@devnull128 yup! It’s a better problem to have than non V8 mustang lol

  • @analogguy5548
    @analogguy5548 Před měsícem +21

    2018 GT Premium owner - iPad dash 🤢 - Will be hanging on to my S550, a great car🤠🇺🇸

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      Yeah I personally don't mind the iPad dash having gotten extensive with 2 S650s but I see why it's not everyone's style

  • @Hammerback972
    @Hammerback972 Před měsícem +24

    "The secrets out!" The economy is a dumpster fire, gasoline cost is not coming down anytime soon, the employment numbers in the US are in the dirt, many people are struggling. All that said, i genuinely think its great that there are still people in the world that are fortunate enough to be completely oblivious to reality.
    "It sure is cloudy in the kitchen."
    Those arent clouds, thats smoke, your house is burning down around you.

    • @crazypkm
      @crazypkm Před měsícem

      It’s coming down in November 🇺🇸

    • @lampi5115
      @lampi5115 Před měsícem

      Gas is coming down now

    • @scottersandman6408
      @scottersandman6408 Před 28 dny

      bidenomics...the biden wants to get re-elected

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah this economy doesn’t help. Many people don’t have enough disposable income to be buying a sports car

  • @jimsmith8797
    @jimsmith8797 Před měsícem +8

    Uhhh it’s the same car but cost 25-40% more

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +2

      Yeah that’s the real problem here

  • @robertmunoz8039
    @robertmunoz8039 Před měsícem +7

    Another reason they might not be selling is car insurance has doubled in the last couple of years. I was looking to buy a new gt until i got a insurance quote and decided not to buy.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      I didn’t realize until you said that lol. My premium has slowly gone up with over past 2 years without changes to drivers or cars

  • @deney54
    @deney54 Před měsícem +4

    I wanted a GT California Special Convertible and the new 24's were going for around 70K. So, I waited and looked around for a s550 GT/CS and all the sudden a 2021 GT/CS white, convertible with only 6,400 miles showed up for 39K and it has all the goodies and a 6 speed, and I love my new/used Mustang. To me it's new, not a mark on it ... an old guy had it and he passed away.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      That’s pretty much brand new! Almost 30k off than new one for a relatively similar car. It’s a no brainer really

  • @jlynnbikes2206
    @jlynnbikes2206 Před dnem

    You are absolutely right. A loaded 2024 S650 GT Premium was going to cost me $64,000 in August 2023. Instead I bought a 2023 Mach 1 for $57,000, about $7000 off sticker.

  • @Gtking616GamerX
    @Gtking616GamerX Před měsícem +10

    Considering the change to the s650 wasn't really that big.. the inability to tune them is the nail in the coffin. Everything else is kinda wish wash, subject to change year to year, but until tuners can do their thing, these things will never be interesting.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah even without the fact there isn’t much change compared to s550 is what’s holding most buyers back. If they own s550 they aren’t tempted to upgrade. If they don’t then they can get s550 and save money and tune it too

  • @garrettharmon7013
    @garrettharmon7013 Před měsícem +6

    I ordered one in January. Delivered with a deep scratch this week. Sad because I can’t take delivery of a 50k+ car with that :(

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem

      I’m so sorry to hear that! I hope the dealer discounts it off or fixes it. I personally wouldn’t take the delivery unless it was a rare combo

  • @mardiecruz4850
    @mardiecruz4850 Před 24 dny +4

    No!, it's not the cost why it was not selling,. Their interior designer was in payroll of rival coompany. S650 dash sucks!, " tablets" was placed in dash like bill boards.😂. Place the s550 dash inside the s650 and it' s over. Can place a tablet with those graphics and tech in the middle and it' ll look fine. Cockpit is the problem of s650.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Lol 😂 unfortunately that’s all the cars now with tablet design and taking away all the buttons

  • @Rskitalll
    @Rskitalll Před měsícem +2

    I have always wanted a Mustang and I liked the screens way better in this model. I got a good discount and didn’t go crazy with a premium. I am loving it so far. The strut brace makes a huge difference.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Congrats on the new Mustang! Enjoy the car and ignore the haters. It's still a great car its just pricing is an issue.

  • @Tim99GT
    @Tim99GT Před 17 dny +2

    I honestly think these car companies purposely push these prices up just to see what the absolute highest price they will pay before it starts hurting sales, then adjust if needed.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 17 dny

      100%. Profit is what motivates a company and if people will pay then they charge that. Same with dealer markup if people stopped paying the mark ups then dealers will have no choice but to drop the mark ups

  • @fortheloveofnoise9298
    @fortheloveofnoise9298 Před 6 dny +1

    I think it was dumb not offering the manual on the S550 New Edge Ecoboost (the 2024 Mustang). Some people who want the honor of being able to buy a brand new Mustang, but can not afford the GT may be manual lovers....not offering it on the ecoboost even though it sold under 10% is still wrong and will alienate some fans and push some Mustang fans to get something like a GR86 instead.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 5 dny

      Yup 100% agree with you especially this generation is pretty similar to s550 so it’s not like it would’ve cost extra to add the manual on s550. It just allows the option to keep buyers in Mustang family rather going to competition

  • @spacefras
    @spacefras Před měsícem +11

    I barely see 2024 mustangs around. Dealers are fully stocked on the lots. They are currently $7k to $10k off sticker.

    • @user-iq9mn6lj6b
      @user-iq9mn6lj6b Před měsícem +2

      If you find a dealership discounting 2024 Mustang GT’s by $10,000, I would highly recommend you purchase a few of them. The maximum amount any Ford dealership can discount a base mustang GT is $5000. That is just to get it off their lot. They will hit you with $1000 dealer fee to make up the lost thousand dollars on that discount. There are no backend incentives right now for the dealership. If for any reason you find a dealership knocking off $10,000, please let me know immediately.

    • @michaelfrock2473
      @michaelfrock2473 Před měsícem

      Are those the basic models or on the GT's as well.

    • @user-iq9mn6lj6b
      @user-iq9mn6lj6b Před měsícem +4

      Please post names and locations of “verified” dealerships that are discounting mustang GT‘s by $10,000. If you’re gonna talk the talk, walk the walk. Names please

    • @strippingears9052
      @strippingears9052 Před měsícem

      Seen only $3000 if your a ford employee..

    • @spacefras
      @spacefras Před měsícem

      @@michaelfrock2473 GT’s as well.

  • @davidtennien39
    @davidtennien39 Před 2 dny +1

    I had a GT on order and the pricing started hitting the price a BMW M2. I got the M2.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 6 hodinami

      Yeah bmw M2 is definitely a nicer for same price as mustang GT. It’s more special so will hold its value better

  • @user-iq9mn6lj6b
    @user-iq9mn6lj6b Před měsícem +4

    Those sales numbers are actually pretty damn good! In 2023 We were not in a full recession. 2024, we are in a full recession/depression. Compare any other cars sales numbers, and you will see that these numbers are not bad at all. But the three reasons why the mustang is not selling better than it is is because of - recession/recession/recession! Ford will slow/stop production as to hold the value of the vehicle up! The S650 is a much better vehicle than the S550!!! it is sleeker/refined/more modern/and a much better drivers car! Just the way the vehicle is insulated as compared to before is worlds apart! And the interior is a proper interior for a vehicle of this price range. Anyone here stating they haven’t traded their S550 for the S650 for whatever reason is just because they cannot afford to upgrade.

    • @newfie-dean5803
      @newfie-dean5803 Před 27 dny

      Ford sold over 166,000 Mustangs in 2006. In fact the sales for the 05-09 model blows away any sales since. The fact is Ford ruined the look of the Mustang and on top of that they made them crazy expensive.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Those are definitely low numbers no matter how you put it. Yes improvements are good but they are minor aside from interior tech. It’s a performance car and people were hoping either more HP or tremec in regular GTs

    • @user-iq9mn6lj6b
      @user-iq9mn6lj6b Před 21 dnem

      @@Red5oh it’s all about price point! They did bump the horsepower up a tiny bit and improved the vehicle all around and you can still buy one for $41,000. And that’s with no factory incentives whatsoever. In this economy, it’s an expensive bargain not everyone can afford right now since we are in an economic depression.Lol.

  • @joseywales898
    @joseywales898 Před měsícem +5

    I've had both S550 and now S650 . The S650 is worth every cent it's that good, great driving car looks way better, price were about the same . ''last call'' for dodge and chevy so they lost some too them

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Interesting! Your experience seem to be complete opposite of mine lol. Enjoy the new Mustang!

    • @joseywales898
      @joseywales898 Před 27 dny

      I have 18,000 miles on it. I am 6’3”
      And I can stretch my legs all the way out when driving.so that helps vs 550 I could not .I have the premium model with a355 rear gear fuel average is 22.2 per mile
      I ride alot of i95 in Florida witch is flat ground and I have no tract shocks witch helps with the ride. Rolling on 18”S with a little thicker tire for those long ride I make.
      I add a little E 85 and I'm good.

    • @israelvasquez9917
      @israelvasquez9917 Před 22 dny

      Idk, it kinda looks like a Camaro sometimes. I do like the The black horse. Looks bit different.

    • @joseywales898
      @joseywales898 Před 21 dnem

      Yes I agree on the looks, it ride a bit like the chevy, I think they were trying to pick up some camaro people also with having last call.

    • @shawnmcandrew6923
      @shawnmcandrew6923 Před 14 dny

      i agree. I had a 19 that got rear-ended by a semi. I just got an atlas blue base GT. It comes with alot more then i got on my mid optioned s550. Brembo 4 piston front brakes but they work great and much beefier 14 inch rotors front and rear and a larger caliper. Its got afaster steering rack and its more balanced then my 19 was from the factory. I also believe ford under rated these cars HP wise.

  • @patriot1751
    @patriot1751 Před měsícem +3

    Compared to the 15-23 it’s pretty darn ugly

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      I think they look good but I prefer 18-23 as well

  • @ramcharger1978
    @ramcharger1978 Před měsícem +11

    The new Mustang may look good but the all digital cluster screen is something that I’m NOT interested in purchasing. I want the option of real gauges for a cluster. These screens have a tendency to wear out faster and Ford will stop making replacements at some point so I just do not want the headaches with that.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Not only that but it will be costly to repair. And since everything is controlled by it like for syncnscreen you can’t just not repair it or you’ll lose all the controls

  • @jakeclayson7647
    @jakeclayson7647 Před 9 dny +2

    The other reason the s650 isn’t selling well is because it looks gay. So that doesn’t help.

  • @RichGT350r
    @RichGT350r Před měsícem +2

    Nice review. I’ll keep my S550 GT350R Heritage. Thanks for sharing.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      That car is truly special!! I wouldn’t trade it for any s650

  • @tommywilson4548
    @tommywilson4548 Před měsícem +4

    I inquired about a Dark Horse recently and was told that every dealer has an allotment of these and I could get on a list for one at a premium price, I told the salesman that I would wait until they had them available for a discount price and he laughed at me. I wonder who’s laughing now.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      You made the right choice! My local dealer wanted $2k over msrp and now they have it discounted to $5k off

  • @sdfth491
    @sdfth491 Před měsícem +2

    I got my 2024 last month, I had my eye on this particular car for months. The dealer was hurting to get rid of it and dropped it $7k below MSRP

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Was it Ourisman Ford?

  • @GREASEs550
    @GREASEs550 Před měsícem +7

    CZcamsrs are showcasing all that can be done with the 24s and it is limited.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +4

      Yeah until tuning is unlocked it will be like that

    • @panglingaow
      @panglingaow Před měsícem

      Anyone know when the tuning will be unlocked

    • @DerekSouthland-rv1ze
      @DerekSouthland-rv1ze Před měsícem

      ​@@panglingaowNever if people keep fucking buying them

    • @Michael-pi8ps
      @Michael-pi8ps Před měsícem

      Most mustang buyers aren’t modding it

  • @RigoCortes
    @RigoCortes Před 26 dny +1

    I have a 2015 S550 assembled on the first full day of production. I've taken that car autocrossing regularly and it's withstood the punishment. I'm keeping that car for a long, long time

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah mustangs generally are really reliable. Glad your car is holding up fine!

  • @nathansummerville3972
    @nathansummerville3972 Před 10 dny +1

    If they replace the screens with gauges back in the dash and put tactile controls for AC and radio back I will buy one.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 8 dny +1

      I would like hvac controls to be physical but don’t mind the interior screens. It’s modern and has good customization

    • @nathansummerville3972
      @nathansummerville3972 Před 8 dny +1

      @@Red5oh I don’t mind a screen in the center of the dash above the AC controls, however, I want real guages setback into the dash behind the steering wheel. The current setup is just lazy and out of place.

  • @MariusGlare
    @MariusGlare Před 21 dnem +2

    I have 2019GT and now in Europe 2024GT costs 50% more which is crazy not to mention that awful interior. I will only change my 2019GT to S650 if after face lift it will be better in that interior and backlights, also price should drop.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 20 dny +1

      Yeah prices are crazy on the new 2024s. I’m hoping a refresh will at least bring out changes to justify price hike

  • @guyver650
    @guyver650 Před měsícem +1

    Issue was financing. This month they finally offered Ford Special financing. I agree totally as well with price. I had a Darkhorse was fantastic however with the economy unloaded her. Just picked up a base GT with active exhaust for 42k. The premium is 10 grand more and on the roads where I live the base GT is more than enough and now comes standard with front Brembro. Most of the dealers are adding frivolous dealer installed items to inflate the cost. The changes are not enough for someone who owns a well equipped s550. But I will say she is a Hell of a ride for those looking.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah I can’t believe their special financing is 3.99 where it used to be 0% easily. Base is admittedly a better buy than most trims because it still packs great tech and keeps the V8 affordable

  • @ms3ben
    @ms3ben Před měsícem +3

    Does the s650gt a10 actually feel any slower than a stock s550 18-23 gt a10 to you?

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +1

      No having driven both they feel more or less the same

    • @normanbecker5096
      @normanbecker5096 Před měsícem +1

      I drove a standard today, they told me to drive it like it was mine to feel the power and hear that mustang sound. Went 1 mile with the salesman, my 2018 GT is still better.

  • @darknessislight3689
    @darknessislight3689 Před měsícem +5

    I think the previous generation looked better 🙂‍↔️ and prices is also a problem for a lot of people

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Prices and interest rates are a huge problem for new Mustang or I guess really any new car

  • @davidallison976
    @davidallison976 Před 20 dny +1

    Actually, they haven’t broken into the computer yet!! 18-23 can be tuned 100+ hp! Until they crack the computer. They will be down!

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 19 dny

      Yes tuning will help sales as most mustang buyers get the mustang for performance.

  • @timgenz2849
    @timgenz2849 Před měsícem +8

    If your a Cars/Coffee , Car Show, or even a Track guy there is a spot for every year Mustang because all years are pretty cool so the upgrade aspect isn’t the greatest, I wouldn’t go from my Mach 1 HP to a Dark Horse because the money difference is too much so you really need people that don’t currently own a Mustang to buy a 2024 to get the sales up , I don’t know anyone getting rid of their current Mustang for a 2024

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +2

      Yeah going from M1 to DH doesn’t make sense since cars are very similar. If I had early 2015-2017 model then upgrade would make sense

    • @richharris9489
      @richharris9489 Před měsícem

      I have 1998 mustang gt and im keeping it

  • @joehenry9546
    @joehenry9546 Před měsícem +3

    The only reason I want a Mustang is because Chevy stopped making the Camaro. But, my current Camaro is still pretty new, and the Mustang I would want is kind of pricey.

    • @Jevonechy
      @Jevonechy Před měsícem +1

      Yeah I want Dark or the 2020 shelby cobra because dodge stop putting V8s in their cars. But both cars are too damn expensive for me at the moment

    • @joehenry9546
      @joehenry9546 Před měsícem +1

      @@Jevonechy , I can relate. I’m considering saving up for a Dark Horse. If I option a GT premium the way I want, it’s the same price as a Dark Horse. I’d rather have that Tremmec 6 speed manual anyways. Hopefully Ford is still selling them in 2026.

    • @Jevonechy
      @Jevonechy Před 29 dny

      @joehenry9546 yeah I've seen a couple of premiums that I like as well, but I'm just sold on the dark horse honestly. But best of luck to you ! I hope you're able to achieve your goals. I'm definitely going to be working hard to get my dream car . It's not easy, but it will definitely be worth it once we get it.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yeah Mustang is a better daily car but Camaro is a better performing car especially with the 1LE package

  • @rubbertracksolutionsinc.9059

    I got my S650 in September of 2023. So how about people like me who ordered when order banks opened in March and got their cars early. How is that effecting some of the 1st quarter sales numbers? Many people ordered them early since they were new body style and year model.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 20 dny

      That’s a good point! Those aren’t factored in so I’d be curious to see what the yearly sales number look like once 2024 is being cycled out for 2025.

  • @stevenlawyer2312
    @stevenlawyer2312 Před 21 dnem +1

    i just bought a used 2019 ecoboost. The increase in price of these cars, increase of delivery fees, on top of everything else (more tax, fees, etc)... it just made sense for me to buy a used one and save $10k+. Had I financed the car I probably would've bought new because the interest rates I've seen from the dealership seem to be a lot better than what you could get on a used car (around 2.99% or maybe even lower). It's still a lot to pay for a new mustang though imo.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah great choice on getting the S550 as it is more or less the same car compared to S650 and of course you save ton of money getting the used one!

  • @albertogarcia6348
    @albertogarcia6348 Před měsícem +2

    We still have a lot of 2024 year left we're not even half way

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yeah dealers are starting to discount them now that they realize they can sell them close msrp

  • @tonyjohnson8937
    @tonyjohnson8937 Před 5 dny

    I agree. I sold my 21 GT in 23 and purchased a 24 GT about a month ago. It's a great car, but so was my 21. Performance wise, I honestly can't tell the difference. It handles better but my 24 has the PP and my 21 didn't 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @jacobnunn7923
    @jacobnunn7923 Před 25 dny +1

    I got the s650 GT January 4th, paid under MSRP for it, have about 15,000 miles on it now.
    Initially just didn’t like the headlights, but they’ve grown on me. To me it’s the subtle touches that add up to the difference from the last gen. It feels like the right balance between modernization and that classic American v8. I really enjoy the screens but still got the warranty in case something happened to them so I definitely agree there should be some more actual buttons. 😂

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah it’s not a bad car but price is an issue. If you got a good deal then it makes sense. Were you coming from S550 GT?

    • @jacobnunn7923
      @jacobnunn7923 Před 21 dnem

      @@Red5oh Yeah, and my buddy still has his ecoboost s550. I look online every now and then at prices and on average I got mine around 8-10,000 less than the others so far

  • @johnrocksvold9105
    @johnrocksvold9105 Před 23 dny +1

    I think it all is on the economy. The economy drove the prices up on the cars and the interest rates were driven up. It is not just Mustangs. It's food, houses, etc... The dealerships putting ADM on cars is the icing on the cake. I'd love to have a S650 based car, but now isn't the time to buy much of anything, let alone a Mustang.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      I remember when they first launched my dealer wanted $2k mark up on GT but now it’s 4k. Off without haggling

  • @JeepBully
    @JeepBully Před měsícem +4

    I got a 22 CPO with 6k miles that was a garage queen with PP1, mag ride, recaro, active exhaust and more for 25k less than a 24 spec’d out the same. Is way too much money for a face change. And that newer front end doesn’t look as good. Gutted the charcoal filter stuff and add an H pipe and I’m making more power and torque that the 24. If you really want the look the headlights and tails are a direct swap

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem

      Yeah used cpo are great deals given 2024 isn’t much of an upgrade and you save a lot of money. You can also tune it if you want to go crazy with hp

  • @newfie-dean5803
    @newfie-dean5803 Před 27 dny +2

    Because it’s ugly and expensive. Go look at the sales data by year. The last time the Mustang sold very well was for the 05-09 Mustang. In 2006 they sold over 166,000 cars. They have not come close to that number for any of the newer cars.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah S197 with that retro look really took the world by surprise. Despite having 3v it sold really well

  • @darthleia2536
    @darthleia2536 Před měsícem +5

    The tablet of dash ruined my waiting list for getting the s650 and next month I will search for a s550 instead and looks better in my opinion.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      Yeah used S550 is a much better deal for fraction of the cost compared to new s650

    • @darthleia2536
      @darthleia2536 Před 28 dny

      @Red5oh yes car prices are still crazy high Lol

  • @ChrisFromFloriduh
    @ChrisFromFloriduh Před měsícem +3

    I want one but I’m waiting for prices to come down.
    Prices too high and people can’t afford cheese.
    Also, Fords quality has been slipping lately. People if spending money are gonna get the best for their money.
    Hence why I didn’t get a S650 yet and went and bought a new RAV4.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah some dealers are starting to discount them to make room for 2025 mustangs now but agreed build quality on my s550 isn’t all that

  • @cecilotto504
    @cecilotto504 Před 29 dny +3

    It's prices an bank got a choke hold on the financial market

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +2

      Yeah that’s a factor as well! Crazy interest rates

  • @marcasswellbmd6922
    @marcasswellbmd6922 Před 25 dny +1

    It was the same thing when they went from 2017's to 18's too, the power went up slightly and so did the weight and the only real gain was they started putting the 10 speeds in them.. And people who know, Know the Gen 2's were better than the Gen 3's as far as looks and less headaches.. This is what the 2018 and up guy's do they minimize the 24's and the 17's to make themselves feel better about having a 20, 22, or 23..

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      But at least that was a refresh this is a new generation where the difference should’ve been big enough to justify the increased cost

  • @bobbyjones2112
    @bobbyjones2112 Před měsícem +3

    I don’t like the looks of the new one as much as the last one!

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yeah looks are subjective. The new one has grown on me but still prefer S550

  • @jamestorregrossa1185
    @jamestorregrossa1185 Před měsícem +1

    When you take the value component out of the mustang, accompanied by dealerships, not budging on price you’re going to get stagnant sales

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      Yes! Mustang has always been a value proposition once you start charging near C8 corvette and M4 money, it will result in less sales for obvious reasons

  • @S650Jesse
    @S650Jesse Před měsícem +2

    Got my '24 GT Premium 401A package for $4,000 off sticker, however I think this is pretty typical. Purchased first week of May. I think it's a FANTASTIC car. I like the interior/exterior/tech updates much much more than the S550, which was beginning to become quite dated in my opinion.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah now I’m starting to see discounts on the 2024 models as they make room for 2025.

  • @McHenryFamily-qe9cu
    @McHenryFamily-qe9cu Před měsícem

    You can get about $8500 off here in OKC on all Mustangs, tons of them sitting. You can almost get the whipple package here and pay right at MSRP for the mustang with the discounts.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem

      What dealer is that? I need to know 👀

    • @JohnSmith-fi2ck
      @JohnSmith-fi2ck Před měsícem +1

      @@Red5oh looks like Metro Ford in OKC is running discounts of 6k plus, I pulled up a GT Premium with 8200 off

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +1

      @@JohnSmith-fi2ck maybe in person. Their website barely has discounts

  • @DrKreiger
    @DrKreiger Před měsícem +2

    Cost is #1. Then interest rates. I personally think the new body style is ugly. Too angular and chunky. Almost like they started trying to copy the camaro. I much prefer the sleek lines of the outgoing style..

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      I don't mind the new body style but agree on pricing and interest rates that is keeping most buyers at bay

  • @gsdfan8455
    @gsdfan8455 Před měsícem +4

    As a Mustang fan, I don’t like the look of the 2024 model. The headlights, the dash. No thank you.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      Yeah most fans seems to think either it looks too similar from outside or that interior is too different. I have drive few S650s and have actually gotten used to the dash

  • @HDR20
    @HDR20 Před 10 dny +1

    The price and the hideous computer screen as a dash will keep me from buying one

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 8 dny

      The interior is actually not that bad

  • @michaelreitz6838
    @michaelreitz6838 Před 27 dny +1

    I own 3 Mustangs. A 2014 S197, 2023 S550, and a 2024 S650. The price increase is justified because of all the new technology in the 2024 and it isn't as much as people make it out to be. Roughly about $2800 increase for the base Ecoboost and GT. If a $2800 increase is keeping you from buying a car you probably can't afford it anyway. And the biggest reason the 2024s arent selling as wellis because the locked ECU. If you can't tune the car a lot of car enthusiasts don't want it because upgrading and tuning is part of the Mustang car culture.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Agreed on tuning. But for pricing it’s because wages haven’t kept up. Everything is gone up it’s not just the car price. The insurance and gas related to your car has gone up and of course your other household expenses. However wages are still going up 3-4% for most individuals

  • @grantwilks8706
    @grantwilks8706 Před měsícem +1

    I love mustangs but with interest rates like they are and just the tag here in my state on a base 5.0. Is going.to cost you 2000.00 dollars. I agree with you and think that the prices are why they’re not selling.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah even the recently advertised special rate is 3.99 where that used to be a bad rate on a new car and you could get 0%

  • @FlatPlaneCranky
    @FlatPlaneCranky Před měsícem +1

    The cost to upgrade from s550 to s650 doesn’t fit the minimal model changes made. I like the s650 a lot and the fact that ford continues the v8 makes me love the Mustang more and I want to support the v8 more than ever. Ford needs to reduce the prices 10-15% to help us help them and keep the v8 alive and well.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah that’s exactly. It’s a good car but diff it to justify when s550 exists with fraction of the price

  • @js_392
    @js_392 Před měsícem +1

    Definitely not enough changes, doors and center console same, seats same, shifter exactly the same, just doesn’t make sense, and not to mention some dealers are still marking them up, especially the Darkhorse, insane

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah I found it strange when is sat that doors were exactly like my s550 lol. if you’re gonna keep the car similar then at least price it right

  • @peterprimes497
    @peterprimes497 Před měsícem +1

    New C8 vettes are now listed for roughly 10% off here in new england area.
    Ford needs to atleast match 10% off to sell these things

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah especially with DH with mark ups around the same price. No wat in picking that over a c8

  • @viziocamaro
    @viziocamaro Před měsícem +1

    40 to 50k for a weekend car is crazy. I had a 2024 lt1 Camaro I loved the car but I traded it in for a truck that I can do a lot more things with.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah disposable income is a lot limited these past few years with everything going up

  • @gilbertrtf2195
    @gilbertrtf2195 Před měsícem +1

    Mustangs were affordable cars for the working man and women but now they are just outrageously price. They became unaffordable not just on price but the insurance companies as well ripping people off

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      Yeah compared to inflation data the price is comparable but because wages haven’t kept up it seems even higher

  • @CarStory
    @CarStory Před měsícem +1

    They have a ton of these on the lots in central Florida. They are priced way too high but most dealers are discounting them a few thousand and there is a finance incentive. Even with a discount they are very slow to sell. After owning a 2016 Mustang GT premium, I'm done with Mustang. I have a 2022 Camaro SS 1LE now and it cost less than the 2024 Mustang GT which is no where near as good.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah 1LE is in a league of its own. You need a dark horse or Mach 1 to compete but to your point prices are ridiculous on those trim levels

  • @NicoMCH666
    @NicoMCH666 Před měsícem +1

    curious to see what the worldwide sales will do to those figures. All configurators were set online in February 2024 here in Europe. Ordered a Dark Horse, got a good deal on my 2015 GT, but yes pricing is definitely a topic. The 2015 GT was around €44-45k here (PP & Premium), the 2024 GT is starting at €60k (PP & Premium) and the Dark Horse at €70k . We don't really have the choice here between none PP or non Premium, probably for build purposes and how they have to adapt it to EU regulations.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah I’d be curious how it’s doing overseas. Do you guys have mark ups on vehicles too

    • @NicoMCH666
      @NicoMCH666 Před 21 dnem

      @@Red5oh nope we got them MSRP as in the configurator. I got 1500 off mine because I know the dealer owners, but other than that most of the other buyers (Germans, Spaniards, French, etc.) ordered for MSRP.

  • @markcostanzo5662
    @markcostanzo5662 Před 26 dny +1

    Dark horse in Australia can cost upto $140k with a few options ticked bit too much really. And we're still waiting for them to be released it's all pre orders for now

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Geez that’s expensive! Are dealers marking up as well?

    • @markcostanzo5662
      @markcostanzo5662 Před 21 dnem +1

      @Red5oh nope standard price they start at $115k add options it goes up fast! Carbon wheels are $20k option.
      Also they're only releasing 1000 of them here in the first year though we still havnt seen them yet haha

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      @@markcostanzo5662 at least no mark ups! Here in the Us it’s crazy with all the mark ups on DH

  • @ynxg-x-hoddie5531
    @ynxg-x-hoddie5531 Před měsícem +1

    I bought my s650 because I had ford dealerships try and sell me a silver 2019 400a package with 45,455 miles for $49,000. Another example I found a blue pp1 2019 400a package with the hardliner falling off and rims curbed up, and they wanted around the same price.

    • @ynxg-x-hoddie5531
      @ynxg-x-hoddie5531 Před měsícem

      headliner*

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      Congrats on the S650! Yes I agree in your case it's a no brainer to get the new car with warranty for similar price

    • @ynxg-x-hoddie5531
      @ynxg-x-hoddie5531 Před 28 dny

      @@Red5oh Indeed as you said “no brainer”

    • @ynxg-x-hoddie5531
      @ynxg-x-hoddie5531 Před 28 dny

      @@Red5oh thank you

  • @tomfromeyer6230
    @tomfromeyer6230 Před měsícem +1

    GT is actually up 13 percent in sales according to Ford. The Ecoboost is the model that is down.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Doesn't help that EB price has gone up perhaps rental lots aren't picking them up as much

  • @boostjunkie27
    @boostjunkie27 Před měsícem +4

    Let's go Brandon!

  • @aymanlockhartable
    @aymanlockhartable Před měsícem +2

    Differently seen more New Mustangs on the road compared to Nissan Z.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +2

      Nissan Z doesn’t exist. It was an alternate reality when they announced the car 😂but so true!

  • @ryanbode9467
    @ryanbode9467 Před 23 dny +1

    Sales on all performance cars are down across the entire industry....

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      But typically new models see a spike from previous generation. But. Not the case here

  • @coyote5.046
    @coyote5.046 Před měsícem

    I think the other issue is there’s no time yet for the s650 you can pretty much deck that car and run lows all day long

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yeah once tuning is unlocked it will change things and hopefully better sales

  • @arnoldkeen6393
    @arnoldkeen6393 Před měsícem +1

    The price is too high, and the electronics are locked so the owners can't enhance the car by themselves. Then, look at the S550 and S650, and you can barely them apart. Ford has lost their way on the Mustang. Hopefully, they can find a way back before it is too late.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah it feels like more of a refresh and that’s the problem. Tuning as well. Most mustang owners want to modify but can’t due to no tuning

  • @robertriegel5000
    @robertriegel5000 Před měsícem +6

    Dont foget the insane interest rates

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem

      Yup! Typically around 6% for new cars which is crazy

    • @MrCarGuy23
      @MrCarGuy23 Před měsícem

      Ford offers 1.9 for 48 months and 3.9 for 60.. they have one of the best if not the best apr available for any gasoline car

  • @LeadfootLou
    @LeadfootLou Před 29 dny +1

    The 2024 Mustang isn't selling because outside of Toyota and Honda not too many cars are selling.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yeah doesn’t help that interest rates on cars are pretty bad

  • @smurfeco2.358
    @smurfeco2.358 Před 27 dny +1

    I've only seen 2 650s since they came out . There 50k now . I bought my premium 2016 for 31k . And it's the same car

    • @jacobnunn7923
      @jacobnunn7923 Před 25 dny

      I have the only one in my tri county area so the cops definitely see me… but I paid 40k for mine, and they definitely are not the same car

    • @smurfeco2.358
      @smurfeco2.358 Před 25 dny

      @jacobnunn7923 well of course you own one. Your not gonna say it's a overpriced s550 . Same interior buttons same doors but with honda screens in the dash . Same gaps the s550 had . They obviously tweeked it . But they had to its a 10 years difference. Same thing with the dark horse. Used gt350 trans and parts and a gt500 block and up a little power . Nothing you couldn't do with a gen 3 gt

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah if i was to spec similar to my 2019 it’s $8k more which is crazy

  • @jimsmith8797
    @jimsmith8797 Před měsícem +5

    And those screens are disgusting

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      I don’t mind the screens actually. I didn’t like it at first but now don’t mind them

  • @fredmoucatel2058
    @fredmoucatel2058 Před měsícem +4

    Sales are down everywhere ! The economy sucks people don't have money especially 50 grand for a new sports car that gets 19 mpg combined !!!

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah not much disposable income going around to be spending on a sports car

  • @staceyquinn1930
    @staceyquinn1930 Před 23 dny +1

    I have seen a lot of the 2024 mustangs out..

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      I have seen them at car shows but not out and about on the roads

  • @hardhitter5099
    @hardhitter5099 Před měsícem +1

    I personally just like the s550s better but that’s just me. Also I think the dark horse looks super cool but I’m not paying 70-85k for an NA mustang making 500 which is more like 450 or so to the wheels just because it “looks cooler”. That’s outrageous. I got my c7 zo6 built car for about that I just can’t justify it in my head. I wish they threw a SC on the dark horse that would’ve made it worth it for me

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem +1

      There’s a lot of cars for $70k that I’d buy before dark horse despite being a Mustang fan. Heck 2020 gt500 msrp was $70k

  • @ChrisPBacon198
    @ChrisPBacon198 Před 26 dny +1

    People's Rent is Constantly increasing

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 26 dny

      Yes the economy has been one of the reasons too

  • @israelvasquez9917
    @israelvasquez9917 Před 22 dny +1

    For me is the price and sometimes the 2024 looks like a camero. Lol that’s my personal opinion haha

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah I don’t mine the looks but price is a big one

  • @MisterMikeTexas
    @MisterMikeTexas Před měsícem +4

    Extreme inflation is probably one of several reasons. FJB!

  • @1194video
    @1194video Před měsícem +5

    #1 reason…. Too expensive

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem +3

      Bingo! It’s too much for a car that didn’t improve as much as

    • @1194video
      @1194video Před měsícem +1

      @@Red5oh I like the 15-up but not the new ones rear end

  • @MrCarGuy23
    @MrCarGuy23 Před měsícem +1

    Love mine

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny +1

      That’s awesome!

  • @ksich8142
    @ksich8142 Před 18 dny

    The new one finally has a premium interior which the mustang has failed to offer…. A Corolla and Camry can come with leather powered seats NO the premium pack never felt like a luxurious car. It now has way more tech, a digital dash which is so 2017 … only took Ford 7 yrs, and now they got color changing ambient lighting

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 15 dny

      Yeah the interior is a huge upgrade in terms of tech, there's no denying that. Of course it comes at a good price, but I have been saying that even the base mustang is a great deal for tech

  • @jimmyjames1411
    @jimmyjames1411 Před 7 dny +1

    The price and the styling (tail end) is terrible

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 6 dny

      Yeah styling isn’t that bad seeing it in person but pricing is what’s holding majority of the people

  • @highrzr
    @highrzr Před měsícem +4

    For me, it's way over priced. Too much plastic with a crappy looking interior.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah price is a major contributor

  • @123paisa
    @123paisa Před měsícem +2

    And you can’t tune the 5.0 2024🚨

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yes once tuning is uncooked it will get better

  • @lioniphone8664
    @lioniphone8664 Před 10 dny +1

    That red
    mustang looks so generic and plain, not impressed

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 8 dny

      Lol I like it but I’m biased

  • @SIDVENOM
    @SIDVENOM Před měsícem +1

    #1 reason why Mustang’s are not selling is because not enough Girly drivers are not buying them 😂

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Lol still plenty rentals out there. But yeah pricing and interest rates aren’t helping

  • @albertogarcia6348
    @albertogarcia6348 Před měsícem +2

    I'd rather have a challenger

    • @jimsmith8797
      @jimsmith8797 Před měsícem +1

      Dodge can’t give those away

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      I love the design but too heavy

  • @panglingaow
    @panglingaow Před měsícem +1

    I don't know what you guys are talking about man I bought mine for 33,900 with active exhaust

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před měsícem

      That’s $12k off msrp lol. You aren’t getting that on a 2024 even with employee plan

    • @user-ot5yb8lp8j
      @user-ot5yb8lp8j Před měsícem +1

      After a 10k down?

    • @normanbecker5096
      @normanbecker5096 Před měsícem +1

      I drove a standard today. Only incentives were 1. $1,000 extra of I traded in my 2018 GT 2. $1,000 for first responder/military and 3. $1,000 just because they were nice. Brought it to the 45k range for a regular gt. They weren't interested in numbers talk unless I was going to leave with it today.

  • @123paisa
    @123paisa Před měsícem +1

    And you Can’t Tune it 🐐

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      That’s a big reason!

  • @burke985
    @burke985 Před měsícem +1

    Can’t tune it.. the end

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 28 dny

      Yea if tuning is unlocked it could be a game changer

  • @antz19coyote73
    @antz19coyote73 Před 27 dny +2

    Heavier, can’t be tuned,weak power numbers and ugly.

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Pretty much spot on

  • @IdontKnow-fd6rp
    @IdontKnow-fd6rp Před 27 dny +1

    Darkhorse not work 70k plus.....

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 21 dnem

      Yeah that was gt500 msrp in 2020. It’s crazy

  • @car-diologist
    @car-diologist Před 3 dny

    The S650 is way overpriced and overrated, as are all vehicles in this class with trucks and suv's as well. People are absolute idiots who are willing to pay $50k plus for any Ford, GM, Stellantic, Hyundai, Kia, BMW and the list goes on. Hate this world

  • @stangedude5646
    @stangedude5646 Před 11 dny +1

    Lets see.
    1). The desgn sucks.
    2). They are overpriced.
    3). The dash display looks like a pizza.
    4). No tune upgrades.
    Shpuld I go on????

    • @Red5oh
      @Red5oh  Před 11 dny

      You pretty covered them all sir! Maybe if the price goes down, it might improve the sales