Yeah, I was JUST about to leave a comment about how thankful I am that we can communicate about the things we’ve learned in this video and defend our faith against negative comments and stuff.
Dr. Zoidberg yeah. But that’s actually one reason I don’t really want comments to be allowed. Atheists are just so hard-headed sometimes and really wont want to understand you but rather throw insults and objections to the point where I just don’t want to deal with them anymore - every person in the comments section writing a positive Christian message will be endangered of constant, heartless persecution of atheists who are looking to disagree and to hurt. Don’t get me wrong, I try to reason with them every time. But it’s their own unwillingness to negotiate that really overwhelms me and disheartens me. 😔
@@optimisticdork8380 Just remember that darkness isn't a persistent force, it merely occupies the space left unoccupied by the light. I definitely don't try and argue with atheist who are too hard headed, especially when the first words are "you must be a dumb **** for believing that" just had a guy write me that not even a day ago lmao but i gotta say, arguing with atheist is GREAT practice for real world conversations.
@@optimisticdork8380 "Atheists are just so hard-headed sometimes"... yes about radical religious groups advocating child-murdering by military commands
It's nice to listen to this and refresh on my understanding of the subject. I remember that Jesus had an encounter with a Canaanite woman later in the gospels (which was significant in magnifying his heart), so the Canaanites could not have been killed off in genocide if one lived well after that period in the OT, for one thing. Thank you, Dr. Turek.
I suspect there is not one genocide in history that caught and murdered 100% of the ethnic people who were the subject of the mass murder. fpr instance there are a number of reports of Germans who hid jews throughout the War. One example is the book, The Invisible Jew. It could be jews hid canaanites from the slaughter, or some hid during the slaughter and slipped through the net to be taken in by say, a good Samaritan. I am not criticising what you are saying, just adding the realities of genocides.
Mathew16:24 L Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is YOU. Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." 2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. John 8:23 "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father." 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace." John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!" Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies". Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused? Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship? John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.". Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged." Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
Except, those are Paul´s words. And that´s not quite what Jesus taught. In Luke 19, Jesus observes the salvation of Zacchaeus, not because Zacchaeus is a cheap talker, but because he states his intention to make amends, that we assume he kept with integrity. To make that point a little clearer, Jesus also stated Matt 7:21 about doing more than lip service, but doing "the will of my Father." Time to get a little more social justice action oriented, instead of playing club salvation.
Believers in atheist Dogma: "Why doesn't God stop people from doing evil???" Also believers in atheist Dogma: "Why did God stop the Canaanites from doing evil???"
I love your teaching Dr Turek. A lot of people think comments don’t matter but I’m a real person asking All viewers who believe to please pray for me in my desperate situation. I’m am weakened and unable to fix this. I believe in the power of prayer and need your faith, please, help me. Thank you for caring.
he speaks authoritatively, but his arguments are irrational and fail miserably. He pulls bold assertions out of his a$$ and builds his arguments on these original assertions that were wrong from the get go.
cory wolf Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is YOU. Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." 2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. John 8:23 "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father." 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace." John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!" Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies". Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused? Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship? John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.". Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged." Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
Good job binding the accuser Satan to your response it is great to see him smashed and I am sure that the pressure of all of this is quite hot just like the lake of fire where he is headed. It reminds me of that terrible show stranger things where the boy gets trapped in the walls, sorry I watched it, but hey atleast I repented eh! thanks for serving the LORD and I pray we can start doing some more demon hunting together someday! Have a blessed Shabbat! SHALOM! Oh here is a link to some real awesome music: czcams.com/video/TFKfqOb7Cok/video.html
Are you serious?! Or just a foolish person? I mean I can dig that you might be a pacifist, but the fact you accuse me of being SATAN is not cool. Judge not lest ye be judged... And I think you are Satan because you would not defend which means you would never have the spirit of Jesus in your heart, because you would let the world die. So hit me back because you owe me some respect!!!
Satan was defeated on the cross, this is fact. So, if he was defeated, why do we keep blaming him? When I said "YOU" I was referring to all of us. WE are the ones who tortured and crucified Jesus, not Satan...so, WE are the ones causing evil in the world today, not Satan.
Guys can I please get you to pray for my mom? Late last night on Christmas she was told she has a brain tumor. This is the woman that has shaped my life and I'm so scared of losing her. Please can you pray for her to be okay. I don't want to lose my mom this young. Please help me
Joseph Kearns Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is US. Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." 2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. John 8:23 "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father." 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace." John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!" Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies". Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused? Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship? John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.". Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives." John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged." Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
I cite the historical sources and refute Turek further, here: turchisrong.blogspot.com/2017/10/frank-tureks-dishonesty-concerning.html Plutarch said these people cut the throat of the child, which they would hardly do if they intended for the flames to be the means of death. Not saying Plutarch or other sources are free of bias or error, I'm just saying that Turek is dishonestly representing what the existing relevant sources actually say. It is clear that Turek's purpose is to make the Canaanites appear as vile as possible so that the bible-god's command that they be slaughtered will seem less horrific to modern minds. But his Christian zeal has caused him to misinterpret the relevant historical sources and make the Canaanites appear more vile than they really were. But if the Canaanites first killed the child before placing him or her in the fire, then they haven't caused any worse suffering than the Israelites did when slaughtering children, such as in Numbers 31:17 and 1st Samuel 15:2-3. In which case one of Frank's attempts to make the Canaanites seem more "deserving" of wholesale slaughter, fails. He is also wrong that the Canaanites regularly engaged in bestiality, as there is no historical support that they ever did such things. If we are to believe, as Clay Jones says, that because the Canaanites' gods were said in their religious texts to have screwed animals, then surely their people imitated their gods, then by that logic, today's Christians probably knowingly stand by and allow children to get raped, since that is what their god does. Sorry, but "our god does this' doesn't argue "therefore we imitate it". The bible-god declares himself responsible for all murder (Deut. 32:39), and characterizes his power to force unbelievers to make sinful choices, as his putting a hook in their jaws (Ezekiel 38:4 ff). Would Clay Jones thus argue that because the Christian God does these things, those who worship him likely also do the same things? So if the apologists are wrong and there is no historical support for the Canaanites burning children alive or engaging in bestiality, then their attempts to make the Canaanites appear so vile that they "deserved" to be mercilessly slaughtered, are dishonest...and we are faced with a bible god who authorizes the slaughter of Canaanite children in the absence of evidence that the Canaanites were as vile as apologists and their bible says....and thus we are faced with the grim prospect that the single solitary motive of the Israelites in mercilessly slaughtering the Canaanites was sheer greed..."we want your land, and since your religion is different than ours, fuck you and your kids." By the way, the bible-god causes men to rape women. See Isaiah 13:13-18. Frank Turek, for obvious reasons, will not respond to my challenge to debate him. barryjoneswhat@gmail.com
Wow... that was bullshit. Canaanites were killing babies so his genius solution was to order the Israelites to kill the babies. You’d have thought that someone who could speak the universe into existence could have come up with a more creative solution. You’d have thought that an all knowing god would have seen this problem coming and not created the canaanites in the first place. You’d have thought that a god who wanted to give man free will would have stopped short of wiping out an entire people for exercising their free will. You’d have thought an Omni-benevolent god would have thought that killing babies whose only crime was to be born a Canaanite was a touch dubious. You’d have thought that this dickhead wouldn’t have claimed god can kill whoever he wants since god wasn’t doing the killing. You’d have thought intelligent people would stop trying to defend the indefensible and accept that this is all just myths concocted by 3000 year old sand people. But I guess ‘thought’ is not required here.
And my goodness would you tell a mother who just lost a child that God had his reasons and all that’s happened is a simple transfer to one place to the next!! Is that really something sane to tell that woman? Will that help her?
If she's the mother that's relevant to this story, then you don't tell her anything, because she's already been killed for sacrificing her first born child to a demon "god".
Nah, just tell the mother that her baby was just a non-human lump of cells, there's no God, there's no eternal soul, she's made of chemicals that magically "evolved" consciousness, and that when she dies, she won't exist at all. That'll help her a lot! LOLOLOLOLOL
I'm no atheist and I am no catholic either but for me, no matter how cruel a tribe is..it is still not right to kill all of them. And if the logic of your religion is that "whatever god say is right" (even if it involves killing people) i'm sorry but i'll pass. I respect you as a believer and there is nothing wrong on believing on a certain faith but as a human i'll stick to the belief of preserving life and giving people chances to change themselves for the better. But you still give a nice talk...
Perhaps somebody should remind Mr. Turek of a charming story from the Bible in which God commends and rewards a father who is willing to sacrifice his son to Him. Apparently, child sacrifice is quite in accord with objective morality.
It needs to noted that God stopped the the hand of Abraham and provided a lamb sacrifice instead. Some have suggested that God was teaching Abraham to oppose the idea of child sacrifice.
@@jonathanredden1639 Yes, it's a common enough argument. It's just contrary to the text: Abraham gets rewarded for his willingness to sacrifice his son. There's no polemic against human sacrifice anywhere. Interestingly, the story seems to retain traces of another version in which Abraham does kill Isaac. (For example, in verse 19, Abraham returns to his servants alone.)
Then that means Rahab was of the blood line too, meaning Boaz was, meaning King David was, meaning Jesus was. I’m not saying you’re wrong, what I’m saying is that that is not the justification for killing all of them. The justification was the corporate sin they engaged in.
@@toughbiblepassages9082 _"I’m not saying you’re wrong, what I’m saying is that that is not the justification for killing all of them. The justification was the corporate sin they engaged in."_ This might very well be correct. Alas, I'm not familiar enough with the material to know.
Wow... that was bullshit. Canaanites were killing babies so his genius solution was to order the Israelites to kill the babies. You’d have thought that someone who could speak the universe into existence could have come up with a more creative solution. You’d have thought that an all knowing god would have seen this problem coming and not created the canaanites in the first place. You’d have thought that a god who wanted to give man free will would have stopped short of wiping out an entire people for exercising their free will. You’d have thought an Omni-benevolent god would have thought that killing babies whose only crime was to be born a Canaanite was a touch dubious. You’d have thought that this dickhead wouldn’t have claimed god can kill whoever he wants since god wasn’t doing the killing. You’d have thought intelligent people would stop trying to defend the indefensible and accept that this is all just myths concocted by 3000 year old sand people. But I guess ‘thought’ is not required here.
I not only watched it but used unfiltered /unbiased eyes. Watch it again but whenever he says the word god replace it with the word Allah... and see how you get on?
There were giants in lose lands with corruptible dna as well. As it’s said “we’re like grasshoppers compared to them” Genesis 6:4, there were giants on the earth on those days and after...
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
I would disagree with the figurative argument on the grounds of Samuel's rebuke to Saul. If God had not intended for the killing of the entire city, it seems strange for him to expect that Saul would know who he expected him to kill and who he expected him to save. Still, I agree with the prior and following arguments. I don't think the figurative argument is needed here.
+Adrian rent Even if Canaanites rejected God`s 400 years of warning, why did newborn Canaanite have to be killed? They were not given a chance to judge.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
@@MrEjidorie they can’t answer a simple question with out going around in a bush As a Muslim we believe the previous scriptures are corrupted look at the Quran you will never find incest and massacres and those evils stuffs
@@MrEjidorie basically, the whole world worked on the saying "eye for eye, tooth for tooth", thus it was their duty to "avenge" them, causing more death than if they never had the chance, bc it didn't matter that that slaughter was justified, it was their DUTY.
@@dominikdurkovsky8318 If I remember correctly, Mahatma Gandhi said, “If the world was ruled by the saying eye for eye, tooth for tooth, the whole world would be blind.” We have had enough wars, hatred and sufferings. Even at this moment, a lot of innocent civilians are suffering in Ukraine, Gaza etc. We have to stop vicious cycle of resentment, otherwise we would be annihilated by our own bloodlust.
interpretations from what was written don't create fact.The reasons of the creator man will never know but speculate from thought what makes comfortable.
3:16 murder is the unjustified taking of an INNOCENT human being. INNOCENT= killing babies? 0:48 Its easy for Christians to defend and justify the killings of the babies in the Old Testament, as Islam is quick to justify killing in the name of their Allah (God). Let's put it this way, lets ASSUME, what IF, The God of the Bible did not command the slaughter of babies and children in the OT, AND killing babies is ONLY found in The Qur'an of Islam (in the SAME style found in our OT Bible) AND you can hear a muslim justify their nameless God (Allah) slaughtering babies IN THE SAME fashion Mr. Frank here is using to defend the God of The Bible. Ie.: "what moral standard have you to say Allah is immoral in killing babies?" And etc. Do you think that sense of justification by a muslim to his God WOULD BE JUSTIFIABLE to A Christian? You get the point? The fact is, EVERY fanatic of every religion in the world would go to lengths of defending HIS god, AS LONG AS HIS belief or religion is affected NOT the others. Sure. No Christian would justify OR call the killings of Allah in the Quran "just" AND VICE VERSA. Last question: To know how unflinchingly devoted one is to his religion ask ANY Christian: WHAT IF GOD didn't send His Son into this world (who preaches love to enemies, etc) and the OLD TESTAMENT LAWS are still in full force (of killing men, women, children AND babies) would a Christian (ofc not a Christian since Christ wasn't sent, lets say a Bible Believer to be neutral) in the MODERN WORLD go kill men, women, children AND babies (like Radical Islam) if his God commands him to THESE DAYS? Yes OR No? Since The God of Religion gives the ultimate standard for right AND wrong? I believe Islam feels the same way about their Allah, that's why they go around killing people. What about The BIBLE Believer?
It's really confused how you have all that written and supposed. I suggest first, take in some truth from Dr. David Wood about Mohammed and the Quran. Once you figure that out, you can focus. Next, take in some dispensational truth from Dr. Gene Kim and the King James Bible. People who are saved by Christ are no longer bound by the Mosaic law. If we remain unsaved, we face the whole mosaic law. Which have you chosen? It's just you and God on judgement day. Nothing but God's word can answer you and those teachers can help you with the truth contained in it, which is dispensational. Search them in the CZcams. They cover many topics if you must use a computer or device instead of going to meet a real bible teacher. You need to understand that Christ attones for all the sin that was, is, and will be. Without Him, a person is completely lost and cannot begin to grasp the true nature of God. There's so much to learn. But what applies to you? First, decide after learning, where you stand with God. I won't attempt to put it all in a CZcams comment thread. Although it is simplistic. Jesus did the work. We repent and trust in His word.
@@dannylinc6247 that's DEVIATING from My QUESTIONS My friend. The question begs the response WOULD YOU OR WOULD YOU NOT do the SAME if you were in the PLACE of those who slaughtered families IN GODS NAME whether DURING the TIME of the OT OR IF you're a Muslim using the QURAN. Its taking THEIR place and NOT your own CONVENIENT opinion right now. Can you please RE-READ AND UNDERSTAND it WELL? Because your response is SIMILAR to someone asking a person if he ate lunch AND his response was, isn't the sky blue? You get it? Your response is IRRELEVANT
@@raimiranda126 on the contrary, it's how to rightly divide and find your own way to the truth in a manner that gives the perspective you need. You need a learned teacher to prepare you for the maze. But my last line in that post is your answer to it all. Don't go into the maze, unprepared, without your passionate benefactor. The place your life is going is eternity. Choose the humility and the wisdom. The enemy is a diabolical and cruel adversary who wants you deceived and fooled as your path is taken. Yes, we say a human offspring or child or baby is innocent. To terminate the beating heart of another human, regardless of it's location is murder. The first murderer was the Son of the adversary. See how difficult the answer seems? And yet it's proven with scripture. This is why I said you can benefit greatly by having the supporting scripture presented with understanding by the most learned teachers who can lay it out for you and sometimes have to draw you a diagram. You need to find the ones you trust. You need what we all need. To discover the nature of our creator and the awe and mystery of God's nature. May you never be the same. If you want to argue with Dr. Turek, then send your requests to his E-mail. You can request his materials be sent to your E-mail. I did.
@@dannylinc6247 lol again EVASIVE response. Want Me to PROVE it by wrapping up what I've written in a SINGLE QUESTION to be ANSWERABLE ONLY by a YES OR NO by you? IF YOU were in the shoes of the armies of Israel before in the OT and are commanded to kill men women and children INCLUDING infants on 1 Samuel 15:3, would you carry out your orders? YES OR NO IF you don't give a straight response to that question, that means you're ELUSIVE, period.
I don't think harming or killing people is wrong,, "if I am only an atheist" because even if I know or feel deep down in my heart that it's totally wrong I don't have proper explanations for that. So it is so foolish for a person to deny God.
I LOL at the critics (like Chris Waters) who ignore every point Frank makes in the video. Why click on a video if you're not going to watch it? To troll, of course.
ar den I’m saying the killer lol. The people God commanded to kill... like in Leviticus 24 for example God commanded Israel to stone anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord. Those people who actually do the stoning lol
ar den Naa that’s not what I’m asking lol. Basically What happens the people that God instructs or commands to kill? Like if God commanded you to kill me for my blasphemy what happens to you when you do that? Killing is a sin right?
"It's OK for God to kill babies but it's not OK for us to kill babies." And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a dictionary definition of Subjective Morality.
if we human had powers to revive the dead why wouldn't be OK to kill? God owns morality, He is the law, our Creator, Designer, Miracle Maker ... G O D = overlord.
Iloveapplefritters Iloveapplefritters You know macro-evolution is just a made up assumption and that no new genetic information can be added right?? You know its impossible to have life from non-life RIGHT?? Many scientists are admitting this, but they still continue to sell the same old thing even though the story falls apart at the very beginning... kinda sad...
wegener1 this is Genesis: but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, *for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die*.” Genesis 2:17 HCSB This is a promise. It's not the only promise. Knowing good and evil is implicit in the following text: But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die.’ ” “No! You will not die,” the serpent said to the woman. “In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, *knowing good and evil*.” Genesis 3:3-5 HCSB That's the serpent making a knowledge claim on behalf of God, then here's God affirming it: The Lord God said, “Since man has become like one of Us, *knowing good and evil*, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.” Genesis 3:22 HCSB God here makes another promise, that eating from the tree of life brings immortality.
Always surprised that god botherers are ok with divine 'retribution' here on earth, does that mean those killed by a god get a lesser sentence in hell. Might those smited by god, not have gone on to become believers and so be saved. If your reply to this, is that a god would know if you were to be saved or not, where is your freewill? I also find it odd that if a god was to create us, it can do what it pleases with us, again the whole abused spouse thing, "you must love me, because you are beating me"
If God can do whatever he wants, than his morality isn't objective, but subjective! Isn't He who has the power, can do what ever He wants to do, the very definition of subjective?
People are always asking atheists, "By what standard do you determine right and wrong?" Atheists generally determine right and wrong based on how an action affects well-being. Genocide is wrong because it harms people, while giving to charity is right because it reduces harm. Now, let me ask you Christians, by what standard do you determine that everything God dictates is right? Are right actions right because God commands them? Or are actions commanded by God because they are right? This is a famous dilemma called the "Euthyphro Problem". If what God commands is right simply because God commands it, then the most evil god that can be conceived of would not actually be immoral if this god existed. If you adhere to this, the only reason that suicide bombing is wrong is because Muslims happen to worship the wrong god. But if Allah were indeed the one, true god, jihad would be the perfectly moral thing to do. If actions are commanded by God because they are right, then there is a perfect moral standard beyond God which he refers to, and there is, therefore, no reason to think that only God can determine what is moral.
Tyler Mauldin you did exactly what Frank said in this video. You ignored the evidence for the God of the Bible and assumed the God of Islam is equal. The evidence is the issue before you can compare.
By what standard do you say that Yahweh is not equal to Allah in morality, except for the supposed fact that Yahweh exists while Allah does not? My point remains. According to the reasoning you guys and Turek use, the only thing that makes Yahweh right, according to your view, is that he exists, right? If this is not the case, then you are using your own judgement to determine which god is better, and therefore not ultimately founding your morals on Yahweh. Do you not see the fallacy in your reasoning?
Defining well being and deciding what will bring the greatest well-being can be tricky tasks at times, but once again, why do you automatically define god's will as being the epitome of well-being? Maybe God's will brings about the least possible of well-being. It is still subjective whether one believes in Yahweh or not.
Tyler Mauldin Christians don’t ground morality in well being but in Gods character. As an atheist cannot ground objective morals in well being because everyone defines it differently the communist will say we need to kill a few million people but then the rest of us will live better lives and the Nazis will define it another way and America will define it there way and who’s to say who is right or wrong
God cannot murder, or steal. Why? Because he created everything. He owns everything including our lives. You could only apply murder or theft to those whom you don't own. Since God created everything, he is the owner of everything. Doesn't a potter have the right to destroy the pot he created? Or doesn't a painter have the right to do whatever he wanted to do to his own painting?
LOL First Frank Turek is against abortion, but then he supports murdering the Canaanite babies. How are "god's people" any different from Canaanites who human sacrifice their babies then? This Frank Turek just supported Holocausting people. Thank you,Frank! #LOL
He's persuading people who already believe. This is literally horrible. This is someone trying to justify Hitler. But whatever. I've pretty much stopped trying to reason with people who justify this type of thinking.
The only people justifying Hitler these days are the leftists & supposed "alt right" who follow the same socialist goals that the left do - an authoritarian state with complete control at the expense of its altruistic subjects & uses deception & force to maintain power & control. They are STILL engaging in eugenics by putting planned parenthood clinics in predominantly poor, "multicultural" neighborhoods. Nazis were merely a nationalistic version of socialism while communism kicked off & focused on global socialism. The democrat party has ALWAYS been the party of slavery & the trail of tears & is just another aspect of atheist socialism. Biblically, historically, the more corrupt an entire society becomes, the higher the likelihood that God will wipe it off the face of the Earth as an example to everyone else. The more perversions it adopts, the more God withdraws his hand of blessing & protection & raises his hand of vengeance. Learn from history instead of repeating it.
God said if I created it I can do what I want with my creation….humans say “ we will let you know what right and not right, even if we don’t know how we got here” lol trust in the lord and lean not on to your own understanding
The interesting conundrum is that you are arguing that God destroyed innocent Canaanite children because they were destroying innocent Canaanite children. The more important question is whether God will violate his own standard. He certainly can but would he choose to?
What standard are you referring to God violating? . "Thou shalt not kill (murder)" speaks to the illegal taking of human life. God, as the creator of life, can take it or give it at any time. Man can only kill legally (not murder) to satisfy the demands of justice, although we have alternatives. The point is, as the creator of life, God can end the physical life of anyone at any time without being unjust or acting "illegally" because he not only created the life, he created the law, and he knows the best route for humanity to follow. So God cannot violate a standard because he is the standard. . Let us pretend for a minute that God didn't order Israel to wipe out the Canaanites. What would have happened then? Probably another 800 years of child sacrifice until the Babylonians conquered (and slaughtered) them. Would allowing the atrocities to continue for 800 years been any more just than ending it? . I think our major problem here is this: in our modern society with our niceties, we figure that if God had sent in Dr. Phil to have an intervention with the rulers of Canaan, it would all have worked itself out on it's own. I call B.S. on that. These people were violent, warlike tribes. They would have killed Dr. Phil and gone back to murdering infants without a second thought. Sometimes there is no solution other than to stop someone dead in their tracks. That's why the Allies invaded Germany in WW2, to stop the systemic slaughter of Jews. In the process, we had to kill hundreds of thousands of Axis troops. No one says we were morally wrong for doing so.
@@sidwhiting665 First, the problem comes in when a person claims God told them to take human life. Second, you actually have no evidence that the people of AI practiced child sacrifice. This is a justification of immoral behavior. Third, humans can't predict the future and therefore apriori justice is always immoral Fourth, are you claiming that God can say "kill your neighbor" as well as "love your neighbor" and both statements are moral? if so, morality is subjective and there is no absolute morality. My question stands: Will God choose to or ask you to violate his own standards or morality?
several of the Canaanite tribes escaped, there were 9 tribes in total 5 are traceable after leaving Canaan, there are a further 4 to be accounted for however two of them are probably identifiable. If you trace the Canaanite Pantheon after the wars of Joshua who invaded Canaan, you can find it in all of the European peoples of today. Greeks, Romans, Carthage, Scandinavians, the Gael. Meaning the modern day European are infact the Canaanites and the Hamites. How else did they get the Pantheon? How they fled determines what happened next amongst these peoples concerning civilisation 3 of the tribes built empires. Two tribes hard to trace are the English and the Scottish Celt bringing the total to 7 tribes identified, leaving two others which could have been subject to genocide or could be made up in the Slavic peoples such as Romanian's. Genesis 10:15 is the peopling of the Earth, Joshua 4:10 is the list of tribes expelled from Canaan. before the command for war Yahweh expresses that those that leave peacefully during the invasion of the promised land must be allowed to leave and submission will be accepted. The Perizzites are said to be descended from Abraham who was a Semite and could explain the Semitic speaking peoples in the region as most historical records state it to be, incorrectly as the Canaanites were in fact Hamites and most likely had a Latin based language unilaterally across the Empire being why the Romans, Greeks and carthage all had Latin words despite being different races that had never met until they returned to the middle east. Language and deities trace the European people back to Canaan and its nine occupying tribes. The question is which tribe name taken from genesis belongs to which European people? The Romans believed their Empire was founded by two brothers at war one kills the other like in the story of Cain and Able, however the Romans believe in Romulus and Remus, suggesting there was evidence of the book of Genesis in Canaan in addition to worship of Yahweh. God did not commit genocide against the Canaanites, they were the first major idolatrising empire and had the most anti social practises including the males constantly mixing over the females to support unison, the spartan men were the same, relationships were very different, the men in the tribes bred with the men for preference, leaving the women to become hunters and warriors later on after they enter Europe. These are in fact sodomites, the sin of sodomy is what brings the tribe together as opposed to Love. If little guy bums big guy then who is the man in the tribe and does it matter how they behave? Tribe leader just got done by 5 little tribe guys in front of his women, unison and equality was sought this way and it was how they accounted to the horrible practises they had. If tribe leader then executes the smaller tribe guy and makes a cup from his head its after his women watched the little guy taking him to town. Jesus converted the Canaanites, the wars of Joshua were part of Gods plan for converting the Hamites. The father of Jesus on earth was Joseph who was un circumcised and did not circumcise Jesus, a very serious part of the faith to the Jews in this day, how did they end up in the Jewish community and why did this not cause a problem? The answer lies in that it is probable the parents of Jesus were Hamites and so was he. Simon later declares his (Jesus) blood line back to Adam including many great Semites like David however this is most likely spiritual assimilation. Jesus was probably descended from the Canaanites, Joseph almost definitely and the same for the Virgin - at this stage Yahweh is not seeing things like they are described in the Old Testament and that the peoples are now one.
If you read the bible for source material not online you might get to the correct answers. Video is great but you haven't read the scripture have you? it states clearly in genesis that there are 9 Hamite Canaanite tribes in Canaan and they are listed, it also tells us they have a pantheon and who is in it, and in the book of Joshua it talks of the invasion of Canaan which is first and foremost an offering to the Canaanites to convert or agree to leave peacefully, it was the Perizzites who went to war and they were Semites from Abraham, separate circumstances and separate races. The bible will give you the most accurate information when interpretation spiritual scripture and history and there are still many more unsolved riddles and metaphors there within. Revelations is full of them and a good place to start after you read the book. I recommend every body read it and if you are interested in solving biblical code revelations is the best place to start. The answers by the way are in the bible itself most likely the old testament, all the metaphors and riddles are answered on the pages its a guarantee. Joseph may have been circumcised but Jesus wasn't if the Jews turned them to the romans then they would have been executed because the romans wanted to kill them and given the choice they would evident with Pilate despite the please from his spouse. also the three empires formed after Canaan spoke Latin they also had it in their alphabets, Latin letters.
I learned in Old Testament History that there is good indication that the people of Jericho put the ashes of the child sacrifices and mix them in the brick that made the walls. I would like to find that article sometime.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
Frank talks to alot of atheists. He is used to the arguments, they first say IF there is a GOD then followed by He must be evil if he takes life get or dosent Grant all of humanity's wishes ECT.
Deuteronomy 9:4-6 When the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say in your heart, “Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land.” Rather, the LORD is driving out these nations before you because of their wickedness. It is not because of your righteousness or uprightness of heart that you are going in to possess their land, but it is because of their wickedness that the LORD your God is driving out these nations before you, to keep the promise He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.
only the man can save himself. There is no one that comes to save us -- from whatsoever be have to be saved. Its about time that man emancipates himself from "dads in the skyes" that protects and saves him.
I find the most definitive difference between a believer and non believer is simply faith. A believer chooses to believe that God is good all the time through faith. We can question God but don't have to. God's explanation of what happened is good enough for us because we believe in His superiority over us. That's a bit telling of what then Atheists are... they believe themselves to be superior to the idea and or the person hood of God, and thus have made themselves gods, feeling as if they can judge the creator of all... your going to find out real quick how wrong you were when you die unfortunately. I hope you realize before then and come to Jesus but I think there's some in every Christian that would just like to sit back and see the face of those who mock God when they have to answer to Him. To see how many excuses they come up with, but God knows all and all is revealed before Him. You cannot surprise Him with anything. No defense will avail those who have had the opportunity to accept Christ but chose not to, for He is the only way to God.
So the Canaanites are sacrificing their babies to Molek and as punishment, god commands the Israelites to slaughter them all, including the babies. Great logic there Frank! Also I'm puzzled as to how Turek determined that objective morals exist in the first place. Is this just an assertion or does he actually have any justification for this claim?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 any nazis who were guilty of murder deserved to be executed. What is your point? Canaanite babies were not guilty of anything, yet god commanded that they be killed.
@@xaindsleena8090 Canaanite babies were being passed through the fire by their own parents. "Canaanite babies weren't guilty of anything" Okay in order to tackle this adequately there are some presuppositions we need to establish: 1) is there a scenario where it's ever okay to kill a baby 2) are there varying degrees where such an act would be justified ie killing a baby to save a mother's life during childbirth vs. more advanced forms that require supernatural foresight like killing baby Hitler. Once we agree that these presuppositions exist we can then have an actual meaningful discussion as opposed to making blanket statements because based on an atheistic worldview theres no such thing as "objective morals"
Randy Couture if a pregnant woman’s life is in danger because of her fetus then it’s okay to kill it to save its mother. The bible claims the canaanites were killed because of crimes they had already committed, and not because of crimes they would commit in future. Please don’t make things up. My questions: 1)Give me an example in the bible where god kills babies specifically because of their future crimes? I don’t recall any such incident. 2)Is it objectively wrong to kill a baby? Most christians, including Turek in one of his videos, make this claim. You seem to disagree? 3)If god thought killing babies for their future crimes was a good idea, why didn’t he kill hitler when he was a baby? If I were an omniscient god, I certainly would have! Obviously god thought hitlers free will was more important that the lives of 6 million innocent Jews
@@xaindsleena8090 I'm afraid you're not answering the question nor are you being consistent with your logic. I asked if there was ever a scenario where killing a baby would be justified? And you used my instance where you said, "yes there is." Fyi I dont support abortion and I'm wholly against it but I'm choosing to argue with you here to prove that what you're saying and the accusations you're making are inconsistent. So now that you've granted that theres a scenario where killing a baby could be seen as "good" in your worldview, you also grant that the murder of baby Hitler would *also* have been justified, but you presuppose yourself to be God and claim to have the foresight to know what's going to happen. If you were in Germany and you killed baby Hitler you would have been guilty and thrown in jail, why? Because you committed murder and you dont have the data we have today about who he became to be. You're willing to grant that God is omnipotent but you flip the switch and say that baby Hitler should have been killed *but* according to you killing babies is wrong; so either way it ends in a scenario where you judge God as being evil by your own standards which are inexplicably inconsistent.
"If there is no God, there is no objective standard. It's just your opinion." - A Human-centric moral standard is not a simple "opinion". Rather, it is the ever-refining, collective assessment of the Human institution based on what is observed to be "beneficial" or "detrimental" to our survival and prosperity from the reference point of status quo. It is an essential mechanism by which we, as animals dependent on social cooperation, have found success as a species. It is necessarily subjective by the limited nature of our senses and the genetic drive to prioritize our own survival over other species. "Why is murder wrong if there is no God?" - Because it is a behavior which demonstrates a "detrimental" impact on our collective survival. We define killing of our own kind as "murder" because of its direct impact on our species. We do not have the tendency to regard the killing of other species with a similar degree of contempt because it is often deemed necessary or "beneficial" for our own sake. "You would need God in order to argue against God." - No, because we cannot demonstrate that moral systems are necessarily objective.
And what if its beneficial for me to put a high velocity ball of lead between your eyes in order to take what I need from you. Your standard becomes your opinion when other cultures or people disagree with you. " In some cultures we love our neighbor, in other cultures they eat they're neighbor. Do you have a preference and why?"
@@stevenbotelho822 I'm talking about collective beneficiality. It follows the "no man is an island" line of thought. You might argue that it is "beneficial" for you to kill someone in the interest of your individual survival. That would be a personal opinion. Morality then, is the question of whether or not such an action serves the greater, long-term interest of the survival of your species, either by the direct action or through the implications of that action. The implications of "it's okay to kill others as long as it benefits you personally", which we've witnessed Humanity be guilty of often enough throughout history (with and without the invocation of "celestial authority"), stands as a clear contradiction to the interest of our prosperity as a species.
@@Webhead123 , 3 questions: . 1) Why is survival of the species the most important goal of the human race? 2) Why must the individual serve the greater good? 3) What is this "greater good"....DNA replication? . In a Godless universe, there's no ultimate right or wrong if humanity lasts for millions of years or we all die tomorrow. The universe doesn't care, and it will spin on regardless, so I don't see why your religion of creating more genetic material is any better than any other man-made religion.
@@sidwhiting665 1) Because it is the proclivity of life to "exist". If we do not exist, there is no thought or perception. Life "is" and strives to continue that state of being (and found many ways of doing so). 2) It is not a question of some kind of objective "must" but a matter of evolutionary conditioning. As a social, living organism, it is instilled in us, in at least some measure, that we operate on two levels of survival a) individual survival to advance our personal gene stock and b) species survival to further perpetuate those genes. 3) "Greater good" is obviously a concept based on subjective, moralistic terms but if you're asking "what is the goal of living systems?" then, in effect, yes, perpetuating existence (i.e. replicating DNA for all DNA-based forms) is the object. It is an objective served by other, related goals but those are the ends that life is striving toward. And of course, the Universe doesn't particularly care (or much notice) if Humans (or any other Earthly lifeform) perpetuates or goes extinct. Even on just our own planet, that wheel has been turning much longer and much more dramatically than anything comparable in the brief history of Humankind. However, as living beings, we care a great deal about our own existence, evidenced by both the fact that we continue to exist and the fact that we ask these questions about our place in the Universe. Religion is one form of the Human attempt to grapple with what is happening in the world we see around us, why we are alive, are self-aware and what happens to us after we die. Also, perpetuation of genetic material is not a "religion" but a consequence of the state of being of life as far as we have observed and understood it. It is a part of us that we all carry around and choose to accept, repress, reform or uphold individually. Thanks!
"Why is murder wrong if there's no god?" - It's wrong because my empathy tells me that I wouldn't want to be murdered, hence I don't want to bring that upon someone else. That's the point, I don't need a god to tell me to be kind to others. I simply try my best to treat others the way I want them to treat me. And guess what, when treating others nicely, I get a good feeling - also through my empathy. So there you have it. It appears some people have evolved in such a way that they have this beautiful mechanism called empathy. Others, on the other hand, need a substitute for it - they need a god.
Mitlandir but why then have jail? I guess it is not their fault for not having evolved. I mean it is not like they choose it, they just have not evolved 😏
Mitlandir First of all different species don’t live together, most of the time, it is not punishment, it’s a shared agreement let say. But to lock someone behind doors, stealing someone’s freedom is a punishment. It is something we as human do want to experience, yet you still ok with it. Where is your empathy since that’s all you are driven by to make “good” (what ever that is) choices, have you not evolved? And also to justifying that it is ok to take someone’s freedom because we do the same thing to animals as you think, would be to say it ok to kill people and eat them because we do it to animals. By your logic It is ok to put someone that kills in jail, who so happens to have schizophrenia, even thought that person let say could not have helped him/herself. Because she/he has not evolved. Just as the same punishment for someone that intentionally murder someone as revenge let say. This person will also be classified for not having evolved. I don’t think killing people is right, but it is only I have empathy and don’t want to be killed my self, it is also because I believe it to be wrong. Morally. See empathy fluctuates, you can’t justify it. Because if empathy where the only stander for right and wrong, then who are we to judge other people for empathize differently then us, and who are we to determine for them what evolving even is. I believe none of us want to be cheated on, lied to, have our thing being stolen, people talking crap about us, being killed, bullied etc yet we do this things. Doesn’t seem as if empathy stops us.
This canaanite, because that is what he is, gives you a 666 hand sign at 1.08 followed by the quotation double bullhorns and finishing with a baphomet at 1.33 and you still don't understand what he is or what he is doing to you..smh
His argument works brilliantly against atheists. But against theists the argument wouldnt work. Namely, because the idea of God ORDERING the killing of babies etc is unjust. What did the babies do wrong? However, i understand this is a core belief of christianity; original sin; an unjust belief.
+Zoro Roronoa God transcends our consciousness, so we cannot grasp Him within our awareness. If we dare to define God within our limits of consciousness, it`s tantamount to blasphemy, and the Bible is Tower of Babel made of paper. I do believe God but in Judeo-Christian terms, and I`m not an atheist.
But it's not unjust for God to order it if He is God, and He is. It's like the unwritten rule where creation belongs to the creator. He can do whatever He wants with His own creation and can never be condemned for it because He created it in the first place. It owes it's existence to Him, thus it is His property to do with as He pleases. But see that's also a thing, God didn't do this willy-nilly as Frank explains, He gave them plenty of warning before ordering them conquered. Just like the people before the flood, they had time to change their ways but chose not to. And with Sodom and Gomorrah, there was an outcrying about the wickedness of those cities before God, and so He destroyed. He always has a purpose in what He does.
I assume you know science and math very well, you do know that 3D has more "freedom" to explore lower *dimension* than itself but not higher, right? Same as with 2D: can "see" 1D but can't "see" higher than itself. 4D in consist with all *dimension* lower than itself and is constantly moving forward; me as a baby to a old grandfather-dying is equal to 4D _(time-forwarding)_ We live in 3D, and foresight in 4D _life,_ after that *dimension* it gets complex. The point is, the higher *dimension* will never have "power or control" over its successor, only its predecessors. This is one of my theories that Heaven exist, we can't see because we live in 3D and foresight in a 4D world, but CANNOT see a fifth over. Just to explode your brains now: God lives/is the final number of dimension with no successor, and *owns* all its predecessors; and if you say there isn't a "final number" then I respond to you, God = ∞th Dimension. 🤯🤯🤯 🤯🤯🤯
God killed the Canaanites for sacrificing babies, yet when we hung is son in a cross his response was “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” There is a fundamental disconnect in some of the representations the ancient Jew gives us of God the Father in the OT versus what we KNOW to be the Fathers character through the ultimate revelation of Christ. I find answers like the one provided in this video way too cavalier to be satisfactory.
they left their ancestors during the iron age to settle in what we now call israel....we know they carried on worshipping the 4 main caananite gods baal el yahweh and ausherra....took them hundreds of years to whittle it down to just yahweh
First of all the ones who criticize the old testament or the old testament God rather because he seems cold and callous and unforgiving to his own creation couldn't be more wrong. You take on section or scripture then take it completely out of context. The fact is that midianites, cannanites and about 6 more tribes I can't name offhand were tribes of giants and not human at all. They were the offspring of angels and human women. Had you actually read the bible you would know these things. So try again.
I like his answers, But he knows the real truth. I'll give you a hint as the real truth - Deuteronomy 9:1-2 tell us that the people of Canaan were descendants of the Anakim and Numbers 13:33 explains that the Anakim came from the Nephilim. They were numerous and included: The Rephaim, Emim, Horim & Zamsummim of Genesis 14-15 Arba, the father of Anak, Joshua 14:15, 15:13 Anak and his 7 sons, the Anakim from Numbers 13:33 Og, King of Bashan, mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11 and Joshua 12 Goliath and his 4 brothers, 2 Samuel 21:16-22; 1 Chronicles 20:4-8 (“giant” used in these verses is literally, “Rephaim”) AKA, decadence of offspring of fallen angels. Read the scriptures.
There was a combination of bad blood and just plain evil. For the most part the Canaanite tribes were super evil BECAUSE they were bad blood. I think the total extermination part was mostly to keep them from spreading. It goes hand in hand. A good point I have heard is how God let’s a nation or people have their way until their iniquity is full, then He has full justification for removing them. He let the contaminated people’s run their full course until all were contaminated ( except His remnant ) before the flood. He let the contamination after the flood run its course to the day of Joshua and his men exterminating most of them to prove they were most definitely deserving. Eventually having to do it with even His chosen people who were not Nephilim relatives but supposed to be perfect. Multiple times because they were just as evil.
jews were Canaanites....settled in Israel during the iron age.....carried on worshipping the 4 caananite gods ausheera baal el and the one they finally settled on yahweh.....but that process took hundreds of years
"why is murder wrong if there is no wrong? who said?" your humanity says, that which preceded and created the "god" idea in human societies. The invisible being restriction tailored to try & civilize chaotic and violent societies whom cared for none do not apply as strongly now, how sad is it to see such backwards inspirations. Religions are the struggles and efforts of a few men who tried to fight injustice in their societies, a struggle proved futile by the many after whom used their legacy to seed hate, division and violence for individual profit.
How dare he steal morality from our Lord the flying spaghetti monster and give them to his god give them back or you end up boiling in spicy meatball sauce for eternity. 😂
How do you know? Have you ever been dead? Do you know anyone who was dead and can tell you there is no hell for people who reject Jesus? It's not funny. I pray you wake up before you are burning in hell forever. I know you're going to laugh at me. You'll probably just make another joke. That is okay. I love you enough to tell you the truth, in spite of how you may treat me. Because the truth is precious.
@@nickev96 Do you? Have you? Nope. You don't have the absolute truth, and neither do I. I won't be mean or unkind as the prejudice might dictate, but I will tell you to look deeper into the reality of your assertion before assuring that someone is going to hell, when even your religion advises you against it.
After they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It would make no sense for them to know good and evil before they ate from the tree. A world without evil is a world without good.
The most common Hebrew word for “priest” - kohen, familiar as well-known Jewish surname, comes from a Sumerian title meaning literally, “guardian of semen.” Pouring the sacred juices over the heads of these dignitaries was intended to represent them as “gods”-replicas of the divine phallus. So we anoint our Sovereign at the coronation ceremony. In our churches the ritual procession through the nave to the altar, headed by the fertility symbol of the cross and the anointed Bishop, preserves the ancient idea of the fertility god entering his house. In the phallic mushroom-the “man-child” born of the “virgin” womb - we have the reality behind the Christ figure of the New Testament story. By imitating the mushroom by eating it and sucking its juice (or “blood”), the Christian was taking unto himself the panoply of his god, as were the priests in the sanctuary. As the priests “served” the god in the temple-the symbolic womb of divine creation-so the Christians and their cultic associates worshiped their god and mystically involved themselves in the creative process. In the language of the mystery cults they sought to be “born again,” when - purged afresh of past sin-they could apprehend the god in drug-induced ecstasy - John Allegro (Christ and the Sacred Mushroom). The "bread" served at the Last Supper, was the Amanita Muscaria mushrroom. The "best wine" saved for the last, is recycled urine. This "wine" can be recycled for six times (the 6 stoned jars) in the "water" into "wine" story at Cana.
Summer constellations must not marry winter constellations and we must not mix linen (summer) and wool (winter). We must not hitch a horse (spring) and a donkey (summer) to a cart. ............ and we must not hitch a horse (spring), a donkey (summer), and a camel (winter) to the same cart. Ham (spring), Shem (winter), and Dagon Japheth (spring) were three sons/seasons of Noah/Osiris (Saturn).
IMO. Moses wrote this story to strip away the right to the land that the Jews wanted from the indigenous people living there. This story devalues and discredits the people living their first. God told them to do it. Ok, God breaks his 10 commandments for the Jews but, the rest of us have to follow. The more you see these contradictions, the more you see a Jewish man wrote these stories in HIS own words.
If The most high God is malevolent towards a people, there is good reason . Molloch worship is alive and well today . Every parent who sends their child to public school is sacrificing their children as surely as if they thew them in the fire of molloch. And abortion is another sacrifice . And then there is the way of the world that influences the young minds and peverses and twists their minds . There are a lot of bad parents today ... mostly bad I would say .
Ok i get it if God commanded to wipe out the ppl who were practicing evil act such as baby- sacrificing and yes I agree with punishing the criminal BUT what was the KIDS fault? It says they killed everyone and every child except for virgin girls (who were taken as slaves or whatever). What was the innocent kids sin and why were they killed before even realising what's going on. God would punish his creature before they commit a sin? Couldn't Moses command his army to spare the kids as they r free of any guilt? They could take those kids and raise them with the biblical culture whatsoever, to become a believer. No? To say it's what God wanted is not convincing at all. The same as Muslim excuses are not convincing over how they treated non Muslims and how their prophet married a little girl. The old Testament just opposes God's JUSTICE for he commanded to kill the kids while he could easily save them by transferring them to the Jew families. That's common sense, not denying God. As an ex Muslim who loves Jesus and the new testament, I can't absorb the old Testament the same as I can't accept Quran.
It is ironic however because the reason of eliminating all canaanites, I mean women and babies canaanites is because canaanites were practicing baby sacrifice.
Jesus/Iesus is another word for the double-sexed god Hermes-Aphrodite. The first letter "I" was changed to a J to disguise its phallic meaning. The I represents the male appendage, and the "u" like the v and o represents the female doorway to heaven and the pearly gates. All bible words that begin with the letters J and O are phallic and in simple language, they are the penis and pussy. The word JOSeph = I (male) + O (female) + Seph (snake). The snake was a universal symbol of the penis throughout Egyptian and eastern art. Our Joseph and Gabrel are direct copies of the Egyptian god Seb/Sev/Geb the "father" of Osiris, Horus the Elder, Seth, Isis, and Nephthys. Seb/Geb was both male and female. The are many symbols within the bible that represent the pussy and one is the fish that many Christians display on their car. This fish (pussy) represents the Egyptian Isis "swallowing" the penis of Osiris. All bible words that begin with Eli have the H dropped to conceal the actual meaning of Heli which is the sun.
alexandre Abboud if an all knowing all powerful god exists and it created everything then no free will does not exist because god made everything and knew what was going to happen so it intended every event in history and in the future to happen. That includes child rapists and genocidal dictators. Now that wouldn't disprove god but obviously it diminishes the free will argument.
Forrest Patterson I don’t see how it disprove free will Because God is love and want us to participate in his love he gives us free will being all knowing and all powerfull doesn’t mean he can’t give us free will on the contrary it means he can
alexandre Abboud would he know what we do before we do it? If so his plan would involve our actions and free will doesn't exist because he would've planned for all our actions. He could know everything but not have the power to change anything which would void being an all powerful and knowing god at the same time
alexandre Abboud explain you definition of free will though cause either I assume we have different ideas on it or one of us is contradicting ourselves
One of the few Christian channels that allow comments; that's quite telling! Thank you Frank.
They're getting fewer and fewer now... Sadly.
Yeah, I was JUST about to leave a comment about how thankful I am that we can communicate about the things we’ve learned in this video and defend our faith against negative comments and stuff.
Dr. Zoidberg yeah. But that’s actually one reason I don’t really want comments to be allowed. Atheists are just so hard-headed sometimes and really wont want to understand you but rather throw insults and objections to the point where I just don’t want to deal with them anymore - every person in the comments section writing a positive Christian message will be endangered of constant, heartless persecution of atheists who are looking to disagree and to hurt. Don’t get me wrong, I try to reason with them every time. But it’s their own unwillingness to negotiate that really overwhelms me and disheartens me. 😔
@@optimisticdork8380
Just remember that darkness isn't a persistent force, it merely occupies the space left unoccupied by the light. I definitely don't try and argue with atheist who are too hard headed, especially when the first words are "you must be a dumb **** for believing that" just had a guy write me that not even a day ago lmao but i gotta say, arguing with atheist is GREAT practice for real world conversations.
@@optimisticdork8380 "Atheists are just so hard-headed sometimes"... yes about radical religious groups advocating child-murdering by military commands
Sacrificing for 400 years to Baal and Moloch. Such as the elite do today. May God snuff out there light as well.
Absolutely.. I am happy to eliminate people who sacrifice children. Abominable.
@Bigfoot
Best comment so far. God should wipe out these elite psychos devil worshipping elites
The Creator and God are different
1 wordhere 1wordthere What are you talking about God is the creator🤦🏾
@@nathanj3665 How often does god need to commit genocide before he gets it right?
It's nice to listen to this and refresh on my understanding of the subject. I remember that Jesus had an encounter with a Canaanite woman later in the gospels (which was significant in magnifying his heart), so the Canaanites could not have been killed off in genocide if one lived well after that period in the OT, for one thing.
Thank you, Dr. Turek.
we are the canaanites, the european people
I suspect there is not one genocide in history that caught and murdered 100% of the ethnic people who were the subject of the mass murder. fpr instance there are a number of reports of Germans who hid jews throughout the War. One example is the book, The Invisible Jew. It could be jews hid canaanites from the slaughter, or some hid during the slaughter and slipped through the net to be taken in by say, a good Samaritan. I am not criticising what you are saying, just adding the realities of genocides.
By your logic, Hitler never committed a genocide on Jewish people because there are still Jewish people
Excellent answer. I enjoyed watching! Godspeed!
At 2:22 he explains America. Ironic. There is nothing new under the sun.
You misspelled "explains the democrats."
Frank love what you're doing. Such important work. God bless.
Mathew16:24 L
Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is YOU.
Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."
Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
John 8:23
"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."
1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace."
John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him."
Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!"
Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies".
Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused?
Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship?
John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.".
Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives."
John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged."
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
Frank is spreading the word of the Lord.
2 Peter 3:3-4
So Christians consider themselves monotheistic but believe there is another god called Satan.
sjakkelien Can't Satan act on our physical world?
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
Except, those are Paul´s words. And that´s not quite what Jesus taught. In Luke 19, Jesus observes the salvation of Zacchaeus, not because Zacchaeus is a cheap talker, but because he states his intention to make amends, that we assume he kept with integrity. To make that point a little clearer, Jesus also stated Matt 7:21 about doing more than lip service, but doing "the will of my Father." Time to get a little more social justice action oriented, instead of playing club salvation.
Wow! GOD Bless!
Believers in atheist Dogma: "Why doesn't God stop people from doing evil???"
Also believers in atheist Dogma: "Why did God stop the Canaanites from doing evil???"
Excellent!! 😂👏
Stopped them from doing evil by demanding evil?
So you think it's okay to bash children's heads against stones?
@@Siegfried5846 He never said anything along those lines, not even close.
@@strict5797 That's what Joshua led the Israelites to do to the Canaanite children
Keep it up! God bless you !
I love your teaching Dr Turek. A lot of people think comments don’t matter but I’m a real person asking All viewers who believe to please pray for me in my desperate situation. I’m am weakened and unable to fix this. I believe in the power of prayer and need your faith, please, help me. Thank you for caring.
How are you now?
I pray that GOD helps and strengthens you in what you are dealing my friend. Trust in Him and His Spirit that is in you
Definitivamente Correcto... Saludos desde Guatemala 🇬🇹. God Bless
God Bless You Sir
Thank you for your work Mr. Turek!
he said thank you for making me rich
The way this man explain things it fits perfectly, I love watching this
he speaks authoritatively, but his arguments are irrational and fail miserably. He pulls bold assertions out of his a$$ and builds his arguments on these original assertions that were wrong from the get go.
Religion will literally try to justify anything in their magical book.
Like steal Palestinian lands.
Adultery is one of the seven sins.
You are great Frank, I am always finding out some new stuff to add to the "ole noodle" lol GOD BLESS!
cory wolf
Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is YOU.
Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."
Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
John 8:23
"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."
1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace."
John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him."
Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!"
Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies".
Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused?
Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship?
John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.".
Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives."
John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged."
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
Good job binding the accuser Satan to your response it is great to see him smashed and I am sure that the pressure of all of this is quite hot just like the lake of fire where he is headed. It reminds me of that terrible show stranger things where the boy gets trapped in the walls, sorry I watched it, but hey atleast I repented eh! thanks for serving the LORD and I pray we can start doing some more demon hunting together someday! Have a blessed Shabbat! SHALOM!
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Perhaps I am mistaken, please explain... What is this all about???
Are you serious?! Or just a foolish person? I mean I can dig that you might be a pacifist, but the fact you accuse me of being SATAN is not cool. Judge not lest ye be judged... And I think you are Satan because you would not defend which means you would never have the spirit of Jesus in your heart, because you would let the world die. So hit me back because you owe me some respect!!!
Satan was defeated on the cross, this is fact. So, if he was defeated, why do we keep blaming him? When I said "YOU" I was referring to all of us. WE are the ones who tortured and crucified Jesus, not Satan...so, WE are the ones causing evil in the world today, not Satan.
Guys can I please get you to pray for my mom? Late last night on Christmas she was told she has a brain tumor. This is the woman that has shaped my life and I'm so scared of losing her. Please can you pray for her to be okay. I don't want to lose my mom this young. Please help me
Jacob how are you. What is the update on your momma?
Hope your mom is doing Great
I think it's funny seeing skeptics steal from God when they don't even believe in Him. 😂
Joseph Kearns
Satan was revealed as "god" of the OT. That's why he was a murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic. BUT Jesus was able to save him and end his destruction, so now the only murderous, egotistical, vengeful lunatic on this planet that needs to be defeated is US.
Revelation 12:7 "And war broke out in heaven... Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
2 Corinthians 11:14 "...even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
2 Corinthians 4:4 "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."
Matthew, 13:38 - the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
John 8:23
"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 6:46 "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."
1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not a God of confusion but of peace."
John 8:44-45 " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him."
Mark 12:27 " God is not God of the dead but of living men! That is where you make your great mistake!"
Mark 14:27 - "Every one of you will lose your faith in me," Jesus told them, "As the scripture says: 'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'. Said the "God of Armies".
Luke 4:1 " he was lead by the spirit to spend forty days in the desert, where he was tempted by the devil". Who else wandered the desert being tempted, tortured and abused?
Luke 4:5 "Then the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of mankind in a sudden vision, and said to him, "I will give you all this power and magnificence, for it belongs to me and I can give it to anyone I please. It shall all be yours if you will fall down and worship me.". Who else was promised land in exchange for worship?
John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
John 12:31 "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.".
Hebrews 2:14-15 " through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives."
John 14:30 " I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me.". John 16:11 " because the ruler of this world is judged."
Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world."
I think its funny seeing Christians misrepresent their bible-god and what the historical sources actually say.
What doesn't make sense? Put up or shut up.
I cite the historical sources and refute Turek further, here:
turchisrong.blogspot.com/2017/10/frank-tureks-dishonesty-concerning.html
Plutarch said these people cut the throat of the child, which they would hardly do if they intended for the flames to be the means of death. Not saying Plutarch or other sources are free of bias or error, I'm just saying that Turek is dishonestly representing what the existing relevant sources actually say.
It is clear that Turek's purpose is to make the Canaanites appear as vile as possible so that the bible-god's command that they be slaughtered will seem less horrific to modern minds. But his Christian zeal has caused him to misinterpret the relevant historical sources and make the Canaanites appear more vile than they really were.
But if the Canaanites first killed the child before placing him or her in the fire, then they haven't caused any worse suffering than the Israelites did when slaughtering children, such as in Numbers 31:17 and 1st Samuel 15:2-3. In which case one of Frank's attempts to make the Canaanites seem more "deserving" of wholesale slaughter, fails.
He is also wrong that the Canaanites regularly engaged in bestiality, as there is no historical support that they ever did such things. If we are to believe, as Clay Jones says, that because the Canaanites' gods were said in their religious texts to have screwed animals, then surely their people imitated their gods, then by that logic, today's Christians probably knowingly stand by and allow children to get raped, since that is what their god does. Sorry, but "our god does this' doesn't argue "therefore we imitate it".
The bible-god declares himself responsible for all murder (Deut. 32:39), and characterizes his power to force unbelievers to make sinful choices, as his putting a hook in their jaws (Ezekiel 38:4 ff).
Would Clay Jones thus argue that because the Christian God does these things, those who worship him likely also do the same things?
So if the apologists are wrong and there is no historical support for the Canaanites burning children alive or engaging in bestiality, then their attempts to make the Canaanites appear so vile that they "deserved" to be mercilessly slaughtered, are dishonest...and we are faced with a bible god who authorizes the slaughter of Canaanite children in the absence of evidence that the Canaanites were as vile as apologists and their bible says....and thus we are faced with the grim prospect that the single solitary motive of the Israelites in mercilessly slaughtering the Canaanites was sheer greed..."we want your land, and since your religion is different than ours, fuck you and your kids."
By the way, the bible-god causes men to rape women. See Isaiah 13:13-18. Frank Turek, for obvious reasons, will not respond to my challenge to debate him. barryjoneswhat@gmail.com
Wow... that was bullshit.
Canaanites were killing babies so his genius solution was to order the Israelites to kill the babies. You’d have thought that someone who could speak the universe into existence could have come up with a more creative solution. You’d have thought that an all knowing god would have seen this problem coming and not created the canaanites in the first place. You’d have thought that a god who wanted to give man free will would have stopped short of wiping out an entire people for exercising their free will. You’d have thought an Omni-benevolent god would have thought that killing babies whose only crime was to be born a Canaanite was a touch dubious. You’d have thought that this dickhead wouldn’t have claimed god can kill whoever he wants since god wasn’t doing the killing.
You’d have thought intelligent people would stop trying to defend the indefensible and accept that this is all just myths concocted by 3000 year old sand people.
But I guess ‘thought’ is not required here.
And my goodness would you tell a mother who just lost a child that God had his reasons and all that’s happened is a simple transfer to one place to the next!! Is that really something sane to tell that woman? Will that help her?
If she's the mother that's relevant to this story, then you don't tell her anything, because she's already been killed for sacrificing her first born child to a demon "god".
Did God kill her child? If we are to believe the Bible is true, we live in a fallen world. Mother nature resigns and is often incredibly cruel.
Nah, just tell the mother that her baby was just a non-human lump of cells, there's no God, there's no eternal soul, she's made of chemicals that magically "evolved" consciousness, and that when she dies, she won't exist at all. That'll help her a lot! LOLOLOLOLOL
I'm no atheist and I am no catholic either but for me, no matter how cruel a tribe is..it is still not right to kill all of them. And if the logic of your religion is that "whatever god say is right" (even if it involves killing people) i'm sorry but i'll pass. I respect you as a believer and there is nothing wrong on believing on a certain faith but as a human i'll stick to the belief of preserving life and giving people chances to change themselves for the better. But you still give a nice talk...
Finally a sane critical thinker here.. rest of people here are loonies clutching on to their faith
Perhaps somebody should remind Mr. Turek of a charming story from the Bible in which God commends and rewards a father who is willing to sacrifice his son to Him. Apparently, child sacrifice is quite in accord with objective morality.
It needs to noted that God stopped the the hand of Abraham and provided a lamb sacrifice instead. Some have suggested that God was teaching Abraham to oppose the idea of child sacrifice.
@@jonathanredden1639 Yes, it's a common enough argument. It's just contrary to the text: Abraham gets rewarded for his willingness to sacrifice his son. There's no polemic against human sacrifice anywhere.
Interestingly, the story seems to retain traces of another version in which Abraham does kill Isaac. (For example, in verse 19, Abraham returns to his servants alone.)
Michael Heiser: Canaanites contained bloodlines of Nephilim.
Then that means Rahab was of the blood line too, meaning Boaz was, meaning King David was, meaning Jesus was.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, what I’m saying is that that is not the justification for killing all of them. The justification was the corporate sin they engaged in.
@@toughbiblepassages9082 _"I’m not saying you’re wrong, what I’m saying is that that is not the justification for killing all of them. The justification was the corporate sin they engaged in."_
This might very well be correct. Alas, I'm not familiar enough with the material to know.
As a Christian I find a HUGE difference from the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament which is Jesus Christ.
Yeah because God really calms down in Revelation. God is the same forever.
Cus it's made up
In the OT, god is a god of war, genocides..
They made it up just to justify the killings
god Bless you
I like your work. Thank you
Frank Turek is a hack and a nobody. If you youtube"Frank Turek Cosmic Skeptic" he gets owned by an 18 year old kid.
Wow... that was bullshit.
Canaanites were killing babies so his genius solution was to order the Israelites to kill the babies. You’d have thought that someone who could speak the universe into existence could have come up with a more creative solution. You’d have thought that an all knowing god would have seen this problem coming and not created the canaanites in the first place. You’d have thought that a god who wanted to give man free will would have stopped short of wiping out an entire people for exercising their free will. You’d have thought an Omni-benevolent god would have thought that killing babies whose only crime was to be born a Canaanite was a touch dubious. You’d have thought that this dickhead wouldn’t have claimed god can kill whoever he wants since god wasn’t doing the killing.
You’d have thought intelligent people would stop trying to defend the indefensible and accept that this is all just myths concocted by 3000 year old sand people.
But I guess ‘thought’ is not required here.
Did you even watch the video or try to understand the dialog?
I not only watched it but used unfiltered /unbiased eyes. Watch it again but whenever he says the word god replace it with the word Allah... and see how you get on?
are you serious this kind of talk is very ignorant
There were giants in lose lands with corruptible dna as well. As it’s said “we’re like grasshoppers compared to them”
Genesis 6:4, there were giants on the earth on those days and after...
such "giants" were till today never been found. the bible is only a bunch of myths.
Dulce Moutinho oh ok, thank you o’ wise one
@@dulcemoutinho1651 they have been found.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
I would disagree with the figurative argument on the grounds of Samuel's rebuke to Saul. If God had not intended for the killing of the entire city, it seems strange for him to expect that Saul would know who he expected him to kill and who he expected him to save. Still, I agree with the prior and following arguments. I don't think the figurative argument is needed here.
Gracias, Dios le bendiga
Thank you for what ? SLAVERY ?
God bless you too man.
@@estherrosario2511 Ok
400 Hundred YEARS OF WARNING!! Lol ...I never read this story....but that's a long time. to be fu@#$ing up.
+Adrian rent Even if Canaanites rejected God`s 400 years of warning, why did newborn Canaanite have to be killed? They were not given a chance to judge.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
@@MrEjidorie they can’t answer a simple question with out going around in a bush As a Muslim we believe the previous scriptures are corrupted look at the Quran you will never find incest and massacres and those evils stuffs
@@MrEjidorie basically, the whole world worked on the saying "eye for eye, tooth for tooth", thus it was their duty to "avenge" them, causing more death than if they never had the chance, bc it didn't matter that that slaughter was justified, it was their DUTY.
@@dominikdurkovsky8318 If I remember correctly, Mahatma Gandhi said, “If the world was ruled by the saying eye for eye, tooth for tooth, the whole world would be blind.” We have had enough wars, hatred and sufferings. Even at this moment, a lot of innocent civilians are suffering in Ukraine, Gaza etc. We have to stop vicious cycle of resentment, otherwise we would be annihilated by our own bloodlust.
interpretations from what was written don't create fact.The reasons of the creator man will never know but speculate from thought what makes comfortable.
So does this mean we can not understand at all what's written & knowing God also since all is speculation of assumtion from interpretations?
Well said.
It's so silly that this brilliant man's name isn't even in the description.
Awesome answers!
3:16 murder is the unjustified taking of an INNOCENT human being.
INNOCENT= killing babies? 0:48
Its easy for Christians to defend and justify the killings of the babies in the Old Testament, as Islam is quick to justify killing in the name of their Allah (God). Let's put it this way, lets ASSUME, what IF, The God of the Bible did not command the slaughter of babies and children in the OT, AND killing babies is ONLY found in The Qur'an of Islam (in the SAME style found in our OT Bible) AND you can hear a muslim justify their nameless God (Allah) slaughtering babies IN THE SAME fashion Mr. Frank here is using to defend the God of The Bible.
Ie.: "what moral standard have you to say Allah is immoral in killing babies?" And etc.
Do you think that sense of justification by a muslim to his God WOULD BE JUSTIFIABLE to A Christian?
You get the point?
The fact is, EVERY fanatic of every religion in the world would go to lengths of defending HIS god, AS LONG AS HIS belief or religion is affected NOT the others.
Sure.
No Christian would justify OR call the killings of Allah in the Quran "just" AND VICE VERSA.
Last question:
To know how unflinchingly devoted one is to his religion ask ANY Christian:
WHAT IF GOD didn't send His Son into this world (who preaches love to enemies, etc) and the OLD TESTAMENT LAWS are still in full force (of killing men, women, children AND babies) would a Christian (ofc not a Christian since Christ wasn't sent, lets say a Bible Believer to be neutral) in the MODERN WORLD go kill men, women, children AND babies (like Radical Islam) if his God commands him to THESE DAYS?
Yes OR No?
Since The God of Religion gives the ultimate standard for right AND wrong? I believe Islam feels the same way about their Allah, that's why they go around killing people.
What about The BIBLE Believer?
It's really confused how you have all that written and supposed.
I suggest first, take in some truth from Dr. David Wood about Mohammed and the Quran.
Once you figure that out, you can focus.
Next, take in some dispensational truth from Dr. Gene Kim and the King James Bible.
People who are saved by Christ are no longer bound by the Mosaic law.
If we remain unsaved, we face the whole mosaic law.
Which have you chosen?
It's just you and God on judgement day.
Nothing but God's word can answer you and those teachers can help you with the truth contained in it, which is dispensational.
Search them in the CZcams.
They cover many topics if you must use a computer or device instead of going to meet a real bible teacher.
You need to understand that Christ attones for all the sin that was, is, and will be.
Without Him, a person is completely lost and cannot begin to grasp the true nature of God.
There's so much to learn.
But what applies to you?
First, decide after learning, where you stand with God.
I won't attempt to put it all in a CZcams comment thread.
Although it is simplistic.
Jesus did the work.
We repent and trust in His word.
@@dannylinc6247 that's DEVIATING from My QUESTIONS My friend. The question begs the response WOULD YOU OR WOULD YOU NOT do the SAME if you were in the PLACE of those who slaughtered families IN GODS NAME whether DURING the TIME of the OT OR IF you're a Muslim using the QURAN.
Its taking THEIR place and NOT your own CONVENIENT opinion right now.
Can you please RE-READ AND UNDERSTAND it WELL?
Because your response is SIMILAR to someone asking a person if he ate lunch AND his response was, isn't the sky blue?
You get it?
Your response is IRRELEVANT
@@raimiranda126 on the contrary, it's how to rightly divide and find your own way to the truth in a manner that gives the perspective you need.
You need a learned teacher to prepare you for the maze.
But my last line in that post is your answer to it all.
Don't go into the maze, unprepared, without your passionate benefactor. The place your life is going is eternity.
Choose the humility and the wisdom.
The enemy is a diabolical and cruel adversary who wants you deceived and fooled as your path is taken.
Yes, we say a human offspring or child or baby is innocent.
To terminate the beating heart of another human, regardless of it's location is murder.
The first murderer was the Son of the adversary.
See how difficult the answer seems?
And yet it's proven with scripture.
This is why I said you can benefit greatly by having the supporting scripture presented with understanding by the most learned teachers who can lay it out for you and sometimes have to draw you a diagram.
You need to find the ones you trust. You need what we all need.
To discover the nature of our creator and the awe and mystery of God's nature.
May you never be the same.
If you want to argue with Dr. Turek, then send your requests to his E-mail.
You can request his materials be sent to your E-mail.
I did.
@@dannylinc6247 lol again EVASIVE response. Want Me to PROVE it by wrapping up what I've written in a SINGLE QUESTION to be ANSWERABLE ONLY by a YES OR NO by you?
IF YOU were in the shoes of the armies of Israel before in the OT and are commanded to kill men women and children INCLUDING infants on 1 Samuel 15:3, would you carry out your orders?
YES OR NO
IF you don't give a straight response to that question, that means you're ELUSIVE, period.
I don't think harming or killing people is wrong,, "if I am only an atheist" because even if I know or feel deep down in my heart that it's totally wrong I don't have proper explanations for that. So it is so foolish for a person to deny God.
Also read Archon Invasion by Rob Skiba for a great book on this topic
I LOL at the critics (like Chris Waters) who ignore every point Frank makes in the video.
Why click on a video if you're not going to watch it?
To troll, of course.
itsnotaboutme I did watch it all . I just don’t happen to think his arguments are sound. So everyone that disagrees with you is a troll?
So forget Christ Waters...what do you say about critics who, like me, refute every point Frank makes in the video?
what is your valid argument in these video then??? i am asking...
Lmao atheists are mad 😂
We are not to make fun of them.
@@kay.e9014 but they're halirious trying to make justification an omnipotent all knowing been is wrong haha
@@checkmyplaylistmiramiplayl2906 Please provide proof of your god.
@@ericbell940 please provide proof that he doesn't exist.
@@oreally8605 No the burden is on you. Prove Unicorns don't exist, I saw one yesterday.
Likes, Nice.... As always !!!
I have a question... what happens to the people that God commands to kill? Not the ones who died but the actual killers?
ar den I’m saying the killer lol. The people God commanded to kill... like in Leviticus 24 for example God commanded Israel to stone anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord. Those people who actually do the stoning lol
ar den Naa that’s not what I’m asking lol. Basically What happens the people that God instructs or commands to kill? Like if God commanded you to kill me for my blasphemy what happens to you when you do that? Killing is a sin right?
I get it. It was just for the ones that were commanded. Cain and Abel was different lol. Thanks tho
"It's OK for God to kill babies but it's not OK for us to kill babies."
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is a dictionary definition of Subjective Morality.
if we human had powers to revive the dead why wouldn't be OK to kill?
God owns morality, He is the law, our Creator, Designer, Miracle Maker ... G O D = overlord.
zxx5 so it's subjective, then?
@@ChrisFineganTunes righteously yes. God is also personal you know...
zxx5 OK, glad that's settled.
zxx5 ooh! Post-hoc edit! Little bit sneaky!
"Why doesn't God stop evil?" Because then He would break his promise in the Garden that man would know good AND evil.
Cheh Chang-Ho Hey thays a good one, thanks man
Iloveapplefritters Iloveapplefritters You know macro-evolution is just a made up assumption and that no new genetic information can be added right?? You know its impossible to have life from non-life RIGHT?? Many scientists are admitting this, but they still continue to sell the same old thing even though the story falls apart at the very beginning... kinda sad...
Cheh Chang-Ho He forbid them from knowing good and evil. It wasn't a promise.
wegener1 this is Genesis:
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, *for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die*.”
Genesis 2:17 HCSB
This is a promise. It's not the only promise. Knowing good and evil is implicit in the following text:
But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die.’ ” “No! You will not die,” the serpent said to the woman. “In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, *knowing good and evil*.”
Genesis 3:3-5 HCSB
That's the serpent making a knowledge claim on behalf of God, then here's God affirming it:
The Lord God said, “Since man has become like one of Us, *knowing good and evil*, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.”
Genesis 3:22 HCSB
God here makes another promise, that eating from the tree of life brings immortality.
Cheh Chang-Ho The only promise He made there was on that day they would die. Which since they didn't it wasn't a promise, it was a lie.
Always surprised that god botherers are ok with divine 'retribution' here on earth, does that mean those killed by a god get a lesser sentence in hell. Might those smited by god, not have gone on to become believers and so be saved. If your reply to this, is that a god would know if you were to be saved or not, where is your freewill?
I also find it odd that if a god was to create us, it can do what it pleases with us, again the whole abused spouse thing, "you must love me, because you are beating me"
If God can do whatever he wants, than his morality isn't objective, but subjective!
Isn't He who has the power, can do what ever He wants to do, the very definition of subjective?
don't try to explain it to them.....it boggles their brain
People are always asking atheists, "By what standard do you determine right and wrong?" Atheists generally determine right and wrong based on how an action affects well-being. Genocide is wrong because it harms people, while giving to charity is right because it reduces harm.
Now, let me ask you Christians, by what standard do you determine that everything God dictates is right?
Are right actions right because God commands them? Or are actions commanded by God because they are right? This is a famous dilemma called the "Euthyphro Problem".
If what God commands is right simply because God commands it, then the most evil god that can be conceived of would not actually be immoral if this god existed. If you adhere to this, the only reason that suicide bombing is wrong is because Muslims happen to worship the wrong god. But if Allah were indeed the one, true god, jihad would be the perfectly moral thing to do.
If actions are commanded by God because they are right, then there is a perfect moral standard beyond God which he refers to, and there is, therefore, no reason to think that only God can determine what is moral.
Tyler Mauldin you did exactly what Frank said in this video. You ignored the evidence for the God of the Bible and assumed the God of Islam is equal. The evidence is the issue before you can compare.
By what standard do you say that Yahweh is not equal to Allah in morality, except for the supposed fact that Yahweh exists while Allah does not? My point remains. According to the reasoning you guys and Turek use, the only thing that makes Yahweh right, according to your view, is that he exists, right? If this is not the case, then you are using your own judgement to determine which god is better, and therefore not ultimately founding your morals on Yahweh. Do you not see the fallacy in your reasoning?
Tyler Mauldin who defines well being ??? See it’s completely subjective they have no grounds for an objective standard
Defining well being and deciding what will bring the greatest well-being can be tricky tasks at times, but once again, why do you automatically define god's will as being the epitome of well-being? Maybe God's will brings about the least possible of well-being. It is still subjective whether one believes in Yahweh or not.
Tyler Mauldin Christians don’t ground morality in well being but in Gods character.
As an atheist cannot ground objective morals in well being because everyone defines it differently the communist will say we need to kill a few million people but then the rest of us will live better lives and the Nazis will define it another way and America will define it there way and who’s to say who is right or wrong
In my opinion genocide is wrong. You think it is ok?
did you watch the video?
Ever kill a human being? Try it and then judge genocide.
so soldiers who are fighting ISIS right now and trying to take back lands ISIS reigned over.
tell me: is that genocide?
is that right or wrong?
Great wisdom Frank
God cannot murder, or steal. Why? Because he created everything. He owns everything including our lives. You could only apply murder or theft to those whom you don't own. Since God created everything, he is the owner of everything. Doesn't a potter have the right to destroy the pot he created? Or doesn't a painter have the right to do whatever he wanted to do to his own painting?
Frank's morality is entirely subjective. It's based on anything that God demands is moral. It is the very definition of subjective morality.
from where, then, do you draw your objective moral values?
Who does this man think he's persuading? his reply is a total rambling evasion
then you obviously weren't listening very well
Jack bassman The straw man was strong with this one.
LOL First Frank Turek is against abortion, but then he supports murdering the Canaanite babies. How are "god's people" any different from Canaanites who human sacrifice their babies then? This Frank Turek just supported Holocausting people. Thank you,Frank! #LOL
He's persuading people who already believe.
This is literally horrible. This is someone trying to justify Hitler.
But whatever. I've pretty much stopped trying to reason with people who justify this type of thinking.
The only people justifying Hitler these days are the leftists & supposed "alt right" who follow the same socialist goals that the left do - an authoritarian state with complete control at the expense of its altruistic subjects & uses deception & force to maintain power & control.
They are STILL engaging in eugenics by putting planned parenthood clinics in predominantly poor, "multicultural" neighborhoods.
Nazis were merely a nationalistic version of socialism while communism kicked off & focused on global socialism.
The democrat party has ALWAYS been the party of slavery & the trail of tears & is just another aspect of atheist socialism.
Biblically, historically, the more corrupt an entire society becomes, the higher the likelihood that God will wipe it off the face of the Earth as an example to everyone else. The more perversions it adopts, the more God withdraws his hand of blessing & protection & raises his hand of vengeance. Learn from history instead of repeating it.
God said if I created it I can do what I want with my creation….humans say “ we will let you know what right and not right, even if we don’t know how we got here” lol trust in the lord and lean not on to your own understanding
anybody else think frank looks and sounds just like bulldog from frasier?
Without God, there could be no objective morality.
There is no objective morality
Well I don't see how there being a god changes things in any case my conscience could never be ok with the things the god of the Bible does
If you'll apologize for this, you'll apologize for anything.
if God stopped all evil in the world we would all be dead
Buddhism came up with murder being wrong without god..
The interesting conundrum is that you are arguing that God destroyed innocent Canaanite children because they were destroying innocent Canaanite children.
The more important question is whether God will violate his own standard. He certainly can but would he choose to?
What standard are you referring to God violating?
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"Thou shalt not kill (murder)" speaks to the illegal taking of human life. God, as the creator of life, can take it or give it at any time. Man can only kill legally (not murder) to satisfy the demands of justice, although we have alternatives. The point is, as the creator of life, God can end the physical life of anyone at any time without being unjust or acting "illegally" because he not only created the life, he created the law, and he knows the best route for humanity to follow. So God cannot violate a standard because he is the standard.
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Let us pretend for a minute that God didn't order Israel to wipe out the Canaanites. What would have happened then? Probably another 800 years of child sacrifice until the Babylonians conquered (and slaughtered) them. Would allowing the atrocities to continue for 800 years been any more just than ending it?
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I think our major problem here is this: in our modern society with our niceties, we figure that if God had sent in Dr. Phil to have an intervention with the rulers of Canaan, it would all have worked itself out on it's own. I call B.S. on that. These people were violent, warlike tribes. They would have killed Dr. Phil and gone back to murdering infants without a second thought. Sometimes there is no solution other than to stop someone dead in their tracks. That's why the Allies invaded Germany in WW2, to stop the systemic slaughter of Jews. In the process, we had to kill hundreds of thousands of Axis troops. No one says we were morally wrong for doing so.
@@sidwhiting665 First, the problem comes in when a person claims God told them to take human life.
Second, you actually have no evidence that the people of AI practiced child sacrifice. This is a justification of immoral behavior.
Third, humans can't predict the future and therefore apriori justice is always immoral
Fourth, are you claiming that God can say "kill your neighbor" as well as "love your neighbor" and both statements are moral? if so, morality is subjective and there is no absolute morality.
My question stands: Will God choose to or ask you to violate his own standards or morality?
several of the Canaanite tribes escaped, there were 9 tribes in total 5 are traceable after leaving Canaan, there are a further 4 to be accounted for however two of them are probably identifiable. If you trace the Canaanite Pantheon after the wars of Joshua who invaded Canaan, you can find it in all of the European peoples of today. Greeks, Romans, Carthage, Scandinavians, the Gael. Meaning the modern day European are infact the Canaanites and the Hamites. How else did they get the Pantheon? How they fled determines what happened next amongst these peoples concerning civilisation 3 of the tribes built empires. Two tribes hard to trace are the English and the Scottish Celt bringing the total to 7 tribes identified, leaving two others which could have been subject to genocide or could be made up in the Slavic peoples such as Romanian's. Genesis 10:15 is the peopling of the Earth, Joshua 4:10 is the list of tribes expelled from Canaan. before the command for war Yahweh expresses that those that leave peacefully during the invasion of the promised land must be allowed to leave and submission will be accepted. The Perizzites are said to be descended from Abraham who was a Semite and could explain the Semitic speaking peoples in the region as most historical records state it to be, incorrectly as the Canaanites were in fact Hamites and most likely had a Latin based language unilaterally across the Empire being why the Romans, Greeks and carthage all had Latin words despite being different races that had never met until they returned to the middle east. Language and deities trace the European people back to Canaan and its nine occupying tribes. The question is which tribe name taken from genesis belongs to which European people? The Romans believed their Empire was founded by two brothers at war one kills the other like in the story of Cain and Able, however the Romans believe in Romulus and Remus, suggesting there was evidence of the book of Genesis in Canaan in addition to worship of Yahweh. God did not commit genocide against the Canaanites, they were the first major idolatrising empire and had the most anti social practises including the males constantly mixing over the females to support unison, the spartan men were the same, relationships were very different, the men in the tribes bred with the men for preference, leaving the women to become hunters and warriors later on after they enter Europe. These are in fact sodomites, the sin of sodomy is what brings the tribe together as opposed to Love. If little guy bums big guy then who is the man in the tribe and does it matter how they behave? Tribe leader just got done by 5 little tribe guys in front of his women, unison and equality was sought this way and it was how they accounted to the horrible practises they had. If tribe leader then executes the smaller tribe guy and makes a cup from his head its after his women watched the little guy taking him to town. Jesus converted the Canaanites, the wars of Joshua were part of Gods plan for converting the Hamites. The father of Jesus on earth was Joseph who was un circumcised and did not circumcise Jesus, a very serious part of the faith to the Jews in this day, how did they end up in the Jewish community and why did this not cause a problem? The answer lies in that it is probable the parents of Jesus were Hamites and so was he. Simon later declares his (Jesus) blood line back to Adam including many great Semites like David however this is most likely spiritual assimilation. Jesus was probably descended from the Canaanites, Joseph almost definitely and the same for the Virgin - at this stage Yahweh is not seeing things like they are described in the Old Testament and that the peoples are now one.
If you read the bible for source material not online you might get to the correct answers. Video is great but you haven't read the scripture have you? it states clearly in genesis that there are 9 Hamite Canaanite tribes in Canaan and they are listed, it also tells us they have a pantheon and who is in it, and in the book of Joshua it talks of the invasion of Canaan which is first and foremost an offering to the Canaanites to convert or agree to leave peacefully, it was the Perizzites who went to war and they were Semites from Abraham, separate circumstances and separate races. The bible will give you the most accurate information when interpretation spiritual scripture and history and there are still many more unsolved riddles and metaphors there within. Revelations is full of them and a good place to start after you read the book. I recommend every body read it and if you are interested in solving biblical code revelations is the best place to start. The answers by the way are in the bible itself most likely the old testament, all the metaphors and riddles are answered on the pages its a guarantee. Joseph may have been circumcised but Jesus wasn't if the Jews turned them to the romans then they would have been executed because the romans wanted to kill them and given the choice they would evident with Pilate despite the please from his spouse. also the three empires formed after Canaan spoke Latin they also had it in their alphabets, Latin letters.
I learned in Old Testament History that there is good indication that the people of Jericho put the ashes of the child sacrifices and mix them in the brick that made the walls. I would like to find that article sometime.
Wouldn’t doubt it.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy a all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
having read the original comment its easy to explain why it was easy to persuade the people to participate in something like the holocaust
Frank talks to alot of atheists. He is used to the arguments, they first say IF there is a GOD then followed by He must be evil if he takes life get or dosent Grant all of humanity's wishes ECT.
Deuteronomy 9:4-6
When the LORD your God has driven them out before you, do not say in your heart, “Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land.” Rather, the LORD is driving out these nations before you because of their wickedness.
It is not because of your righteousness or uprightness of heart that you are going in to possess their land, but it is because of their wickedness that the LORD your God is driving out these nations before you, to keep the promise He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.
God and Satan are one.
only the man can save himself. There is no one that comes to save us -- from whatsoever be have to be saved. Its about time that man emancipates himself from "dads in the skyes" that protects and saves him.
I find the most definitive difference between a believer and non believer is simply faith. A believer chooses to believe that God is good all the time through faith. We can question God but don't have to. God's explanation of what happened is good enough for us because we believe in His superiority over us. That's a bit telling of what then Atheists are... they believe themselves to be superior to the idea and or the person hood of God, and thus have made themselves gods, feeling as if they can judge the creator of all... your going to find out real quick how wrong you were when you die unfortunately. I hope you realize before then and come to Jesus but I think there's some in every Christian that would just like to sit back and see the face of those who mock God when they have to answer to Him. To see how many excuses they come up with, but God knows all and all is revealed before Him. You cannot surprise Him with anything. No defense will avail those who have had the opportunity to accept Christ but chose not to, for He is the only way to God.
So his defense is in the new testament? Who wrote that? This guy is a waste of time.
I noticed people who argue about God or religion are like liberals. Very similar way on how they argue.
Nice explanation, thanks Frank.
So the Canaanites are sacrificing their babies to Molek and as punishment, god commands the Israelites to slaughter them all, including the babies. Great logic there Frank!
Also I'm puzzled as to how Turek determined that objective morals exist in the first place. Is this just an assertion or does he actually have any justification for this claim?
Let me ask you a question and I hope you can answer truthfully. Was it wrong to kill nazis in 1945?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 any nazis who were guilty of murder deserved to be executed. What is your point? Canaanite babies were not guilty of anything, yet god commanded that they be killed.
@@xaindsleena8090 Canaanite babies were being passed through the fire by their own parents.
"Canaanite babies weren't guilty of anything"
Okay in order to tackle this adequately there are some presuppositions we need to establish:
1) is there a scenario where it's ever okay to kill a baby
2) are there varying degrees where such an act would be justified ie killing a baby to save a mother's life during childbirth vs. more advanced forms that require supernatural foresight like killing baby Hitler.
Once we agree that these presuppositions exist we can then have an actual meaningful discussion as opposed to making blanket statements because based on an atheistic worldview theres no such thing as "objective morals"
Randy Couture if a pregnant woman’s life is in danger because of her fetus then it’s okay to kill it to save its mother.
The bible claims the canaanites were killed because of crimes they had already committed, and not because of crimes they would commit in future. Please don’t make things up.
My questions:
1)Give me an example in the bible where god kills babies specifically because of their future crimes? I don’t recall any such incident.
2)Is it objectively wrong to kill a baby? Most christians, including Turek in one of his videos, make this claim. You seem to disagree?
3)If god thought killing babies for their future crimes was a good idea, why didn’t he kill hitler when he was a baby? If I were an omniscient god, I certainly would have! Obviously god thought hitlers free will was more important that the lives of 6 million innocent Jews
@@xaindsleena8090 I'm afraid you're not answering the question nor are you being consistent with your logic. I asked if there was ever a scenario where killing a baby would be justified? And you used my instance where you said, "yes there is." Fyi I dont support abortion and I'm wholly against it but I'm choosing to argue with you here to prove that what you're saying and the accusations you're making are inconsistent.
So now that you've granted that theres a scenario where killing a baby could be seen as "good" in your worldview, you also grant that the murder of baby Hitler would *also* have been justified, but you presuppose yourself to be God and claim to have the foresight to know what's going to happen. If you were in Germany and you killed baby Hitler you would have been guilty and thrown in jail, why? Because you committed murder and you dont have the data we have today about who he became to be.
You're willing to grant that God is omnipotent but you flip the switch and say that baby Hitler should have been killed *but* according to you killing babies is wrong; so either way it ends in a scenario where you judge God as being evil by your own standards which are inexplicably inconsistent.
"If there is no God, there is no objective standard. It's just your opinion." - A Human-centric moral standard is not a simple "opinion". Rather, it is the ever-refining, collective assessment of the Human institution based on what is observed to be "beneficial" or "detrimental" to our survival and prosperity from the reference point of status quo. It is an essential mechanism by which we, as animals dependent on social cooperation, have found success as a species. It is necessarily subjective by the limited nature of our senses and the genetic drive to prioritize our own survival over other species.
"Why is murder wrong if there is no God?" - Because it is a behavior which demonstrates a "detrimental" impact on our collective survival. We define killing of our own kind as "murder" because of its direct impact on our species. We do not have the tendency to regard the killing of other species with a similar degree of contempt because it is often deemed necessary or "beneficial" for our own sake.
"You would need God in order to argue against God." - No, because we cannot demonstrate that moral systems are necessarily objective.
And what if its beneficial for me to put a high velocity ball of lead between your eyes in order to take what I need from you. Your standard becomes your opinion when other cultures or people disagree with you. " In some cultures we love our neighbor, in other cultures they eat they're neighbor. Do you have a preference and why?"
@@stevenbotelho822 I'm talking about collective beneficiality. It follows the "no man is an island" line of thought. You might argue that it is "beneficial" for you to kill someone in the interest of your individual survival. That would be a personal opinion. Morality then, is the question of whether or not such an action serves the greater, long-term interest of the survival of your species, either by the direct action or through the implications of that action. The implications of "it's okay to kill others as long as it benefits you personally", which we've witnessed Humanity be guilty of often enough throughout history (with and without the invocation of "celestial authority"), stands as a clear contradiction to the interest of our prosperity as a species.
@@Webhead123 , 3 questions:
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1) Why is survival of the species the most important goal of the human race?
2) Why must the individual serve the greater good?
3) What is this "greater good"....DNA replication?
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In a Godless universe, there's no ultimate right or wrong if humanity lasts for millions of years or we all die tomorrow. The universe doesn't care, and it will spin on regardless, so I don't see why your religion of creating more genetic material is any better than any other man-made religion.
@@sidwhiting665
1) Because it is the proclivity of life to "exist". If we do not exist, there is no thought or perception. Life "is" and strives to continue that state of being (and found many ways of doing so).
2) It is not a question of some kind of objective "must" but a matter of evolutionary conditioning. As a social, living organism, it is instilled in us, in at least some measure, that we operate on two levels of survival a) individual survival to advance our personal gene stock and b) species survival to further perpetuate those genes.
3) "Greater good" is obviously a concept based on subjective, moralistic terms but if you're asking "what is the goal of living systems?" then, in effect, yes, perpetuating existence (i.e. replicating DNA for all DNA-based forms) is the object. It is an objective served by other, related goals but those are the ends that life is striving toward.
And of course, the Universe doesn't particularly care (or much notice) if Humans (or any other Earthly lifeform) perpetuates or goes extinct. Even on just our own planet, that wheel has been turning much longer and much more dramatically than anything comparable in the brief history of Humankind. However, as living beings, we care a great deal about our own existence, evidenced by both the fact that we continue to exist and the fact that we ask these questions about our place in the Universe. Religion is one form of the Human attempt to grapple with what is happening in the world we see around us, why we are alive, are self-aware and what happens to us after we die. Also, perpetuation of genetic material is not a "religion" but a consequence of the state of being of life as far as we have observed and understood it. It is a part of us that we all carry around and choose to accept, repress, reform or uphold individually.
Thanks!
2:35 who was there to know if that story was true?
"Why is murder wrong if there's no god?" - It's wrong because my empathy tells me that I wouldn't want to be murdered, hence I don't want to bring that upon someone else. That's the point, I don't need a god to tell me to be kind to others. I simply try my best to treat others the way I want them to treat me. And guess what, when treating others nicely, I get a good feeling - also through my empathy. So there you have it. It appears some people have evolved in such a way that they have this beautiful mechanism called empathy. Others, on the other hand, need a substitute for it - they need a god.
Mitlandir but what if someone else feel different then you about murder, if she or wrong for acting it out?
@@mhalethenriksson5006 they are inferior because they have not evolved. Also, we have laws for people like that
Mitlandir but why then have jail? I guess it is not their fault for not having evolved. I mean it is not like they choose it, they just have not evolved 😏
@@mhalethenriksson5006 animals didn't choose not to evolve either, but we still pen them, keep them at bay and out of our society
Mitlandir First of all different species don’t live together, most of the time, it is not punishment, it’s a shared agreement let say. But to lock someone behind doors, stealing someone’s freedom is a punishment. It is something we as human do want to experience, yet you still ok with it. Where is your empathy since that’s all you are driven by to make “good” (what ever that is) choices, have you not evolved?
And also to justifying that it is ok to take someone’s freedom because we do the same thing to animals as you think, would be to say it ok to kill people and eat them because we do it to animals.
By your logic
It is ok to put someone that kills in jail, who so happens to have schizophrenia, even thought that person let say could not have helped him/herself. Because she/he has not evolved. Just as the same punishment for someone that intentionally murder someone as revenge let say. This person will also be classified for not having evolved.
I don’t think killing people is right, but it is only I have empathy and don’t want to be killed my self, it is also because I believe it to be wrong. Morally. See empathy fluctuates, you can’t justify it. Because if empathy where the only stander for right and wrong, then who are we to judge other people for empathize differently then us, and who are we to determine for them what evolving even is.
I believe none of us want to be cheated on, lied to, have our thing being stolen, people talking crap about us, being killed, bullied etc yet we do this things. Doesn’t seem as if empathy stops us.
This canaanite, because that is what he is, gives you a 666 hand sign at 1.08 followed by the quotation double bullhorns and finishing with a baphomet at 1.33 and you still don't understand what he is or what he is doing to you..smh
According To Jesus the original murderer is the God of this world but his father Hallelujah is named Who Art in Heaven
jews were caananites
His arguments lack luster and doesn't hold water.
His argument works brilliantly against atheists. But against theists the argument wouldnt work. Namely, because the idea of God ORDERING the killing of babies etc is unjust. What did the babies do wrong?
However, i understand this is a core belief of christianity; original sin; an unjust belief.
+Zoro Roronoa God transcends our consciousness, so we cannot grasp Him within our awareness. If we dare to define God within our limits of consciousness, it`s tantamount to blasphemy, and the Bible is Tower of Babel made of paper. I do believe God but in Judeo-Christian terms, and I`m not an atheist.
But it's not unjust for God to order it if He is God, and He is. It's like the unwritten rule where creation belongs to the creator. He can do whatever He wants with His own creation and can never be condemned for it because He created it in the first place. It owes it's existence to Him, thus it is His property to do with as He pleases. But see that's also a thing, God didn't do this willy-nilly as Frank explains, He gave them plenty of warning before ordering them conquered. Just like the people before the flood, they had time to change their ways but chose not to. And with Sodom and Gomorrah, there was an outcrying about the wickedness of those cities before God, and so He destroyed. He always has a purpose in what He does.
I assume you know science and math very well, you do know that 3D has more "freedom" to explore lower *dimension* than itself but not higher, right?
Same as with 2D: can "see" 1D but can't "see" higher than itself.
4D in consist with all *dimension* lower than itself and is constantly moving forward; me as a baby to a old grandfather-dying is equal to 4D _(time-forwarding)_
We live in 3D, and foresight in 4D _life,_ after that *dimension* it gets complex. The point is, the higher *dimension* will never have "power or control" over its successor, only its predecessors.
This is one of my theories that Heaven exist, we can't see because we live in 3D and foresight in a 4D world, but CANNOT see a fifth over.
Just to explode your brains now: God lives/is the final number of dimension with no successor, and *owns* all its predecessors; and if you say there isn't a "final number" then I respond to you, God = ∞th Dimension. 🤯🤯🤯 🤯🤯🤯
Brilliant!!!
St Thomas Aquanties proof of graduation, your example is a good explanation.
Because the Canaanites had nephilim blood.
God killed the Canaanites for sacrificing babies, yet when we hung is son in a cross his response was “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” There is a fundamental disconnect in some of the representations the ancient Jew gives us of God the Father in the OT versus what we KNOW to be the Fathers character through the ultimate revelation of Christ. I find answers like the one provided in this video way too cavalier to be satisfactory.
jews were caananites
they left their ancestors during the iron age to settle in what we now call israel....we know they carried on worshipping the 4 main caananite gods baal el yahweh and ausherra....took them hundreds of years to whittle it down to just yahweh
First of all the ones who criticize the old testament or the old testament God rather because he seems cold and callous and unforgiving to his own creation couldn't be more wrong. You take on section or scripture then take it completely out of context. The fact is that midianites, cannanites and about 6 more tribes I can't name offhand were tribes of giants and not human at all. They were the offspring of angels and human women. Had you actually read the bible you would know these things. So try again.
Kudos to the chap for allowing comments. Nothing for the unhinged ranting though.
I like his answers, But he knows the real truth. I'll give you a hint as the real truth - Deuteronomy 9:1-2 tell us that the people of Canaan were descendants of the Anakim and Numbers 13:33 explains that the Anakim came from the Nephilim. They were numerous and included:
The Rephaim, Emim, Horim & Zamsummim of Genesis 14-15
Arba, the father of Anak, Joshua 14:15, 15:13
Anak and his 7 sons, the Anakim from Numbers 13:33
Og, King of Bashan, mentioned in Deuteronomy 3:11 and Joshua 12
Goliath and his 4 brothers, 2 Samuel 21:16-22; 1 Chronicles 20:4-8 (“giant” used in these verses is literally, “Rephaim”)
AKA, decadence of offspring of fallen angels. Read the scriptures.
There was a combination of bad blood and just plain evil. For the most part the Canaanite tribes were super evil BECAUSE they were bad blood. I think the total extermination part was mostly to keep them from spreading. It goes hand in hand.
A good point I have heard is how God let’s a nation or people have their way until their iniquity is full, then He has full justification for removing them. He let the contaminated people’s run their full course until all were contaminated ( except His remnant ) before the flood. He let the contamination after the flood run its course to the day of Joshua and his men exterminating most of them to prove they were most definitely deserving.
Eventually having to do it with even His chosen people who were not Nephilim relatives but supposed to be perfect. Multiple times because they were just as evil.
jews were Canaanites....settled in Israel during the iron age.....carried on worshipping the 4 caananite gods ausheera baal el and the one they finally settled on yahweh.....but that process took hundreds of years
"why is murder wrong if there is no wrong? who said?" your humanity says, that which preceded and created the "god" idea in human societies. The invisible being restriction tailored to try & civilize chaotic and violent societies whom cared for none do not apply as strongly now, how sad is it to see such backwards inspirations. Religions are the struggles and efforts of a few men who tried to fight injustice in their societies, a struggle proved futile by the many after whom used their legacy to seed hate, division and violence for individual profit.
Didn't ask to be here God see i was placed; amongst Canaanites with 6 carved in face.
How dare he steal morality from our Lord the flying spaghetti monster and give them to his god give them back or you end up boiling in spicy meatball sauce for eternity. 😂
How do you know? Have you ever been dead? Do you know anyone who was dead and can tell you there is no hell for people who reject Jesus? It's not funny. I pray you wake up before you are burning in hell forever. I know you're going to laugh at me. You'll probably just make another joke. That is okay. I love you enough to tell you the truth, in spite of how you may treat me. Because the truth is precious.
@@nickev96 Do you? Have you? Nope. You don't have the absolute truth, and neither do I. I won't be mean or unkind as the prejudice might dictate, but I will tell you to look deeper into the reality of your assertion before assuring that someone is going to hell, when even your religion advises you against it.
Without evil there's no way to judge what is good.
Adam and Eve learned about good/god/light/summer and evil/devil/darness/winter.
After they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It would make no sense for them to know good and evil before they ate from the tree. A world without evil is a world without good.
The most common Hebrew word for “priest” - kohen, familiar as well-known Jewish surname, comes from a Sumerian title meaning literally, “guardian of semen.” Pouring the sacred juices over the heads of these dignitaries was intended to represent them as “gods”-replicas of the divine phallus. So we anoint our Sovereign at the coronation ceremony. In our churches the ritual procession through the nave to the altar, headed by the fertility symbol of the cross and the anointed Bishop, preserves the ancient idea of the fertility god entering his house. In the phallic mushroom-the “man-child” born of the “virgin” womb - we have the reality behind the Christ figure of the New Testament story. By imitating the mushroom by eating it and sucking its juice (or “blood”), the Christian was taking unto himself the panoply of his god, as were the priests in the sanctuary. As the priests “served” the god in the temple-the symbolic womb of divine creation-so the Christians and their cultic associates worshiped their god and mystically involved themselves in the creative process. In the language of the mystery cults they sought to be “born again,” when - purged afresh of past sin-they could apprehend the god in drug-induced ecstasy - John Allegro (Christ and the Sacred Mushroom).
The "bread" served at the Last Supper, was the Amanita Muscaria mushrroom. The "best wine" saved for the last, is recycled urine. This "wine" can be recycled for six times (the 6 stoned jars) in the "water" into "wine" story at Cana.
that makes no sense Captain. It might 'feel' like it makes sense, but it makes no LOGICAL sense.
How does it not make any sense?
Summer constellations must not marry winter constellations and we must not mix linen (summer) and wool (winter). We must not hitch a horse (spring) and a donkey (summer) to a cart. ............ and we must not hitch a horse (spring), a donkey (summer), and a camel (winter) to the same cart. Ham (spring), Shem (winter), and Dagon Japheth (spring) were three sons/seasons of Noah/Osiris (Saturn).
IMO. Moses wrote this story to strip away the right to the land that the Jews wanted from the indigenous people living there. This story devalues and discredits the people living their first. God told them to do it. Ok, God breaks his 10 commandments for the Jews but, the rest of us have to follow. The more you see these contradictions, the more you see a Jewish man wrote these stories in HIS own words.
What about children ?
WOW!!! If Christianity is true, people don’t die, they just change location. Tell that to every child who has been raped and murdered
+Robert McGranahan Churchpeople often insist aberrant theories which cannot be accepted in secular societies. His opinion is a typical one.
A book full of 2000 year old jewish folk tales is proof of nothing.
Ancient Jewish history = Greek mythology which borrowed from many cultures.
@@harveywabbit9541 NT rewites of OT and OT from other myths
If The most high God is malevolent towards a people, there is good reason .
Molloch worship is alive and well today .
Every parent who sends their child to public school is sacrificing their children as surely as if they thew them in the fire of molloch.
And abortion is another sacrifice .
And then there is the way of the world that influences the young minds and peverses and twists their minds .
There are a lot of bad parents today ... mostly bad I would say .
I would never worship a god like that.
Ok i get it if God commanded to wipe out the ppl who were practicing evil act such as baby- sacrificing and yes I agree with punishing the criminal BUT what was the KIDS fault? It says they killed everyone and every child except for virgin girls (who were taken as slaves or whatever). What was the innocent kids sin and why were they killed before even realising what's going on. God would punish his creature before they commit a sin? Couldn't Moses command his army to spare the kids as they r free of any guilt? They could take those kids and raise them with the biblical culture whatsoever, to become a believer. No? To say it's what God wanted is not convincing at all. The same as Muslim excuses are not convincing over how they treated non Muslims and how their prophet married a little girl. The old Testament just opposes God's JUSTICE for he commanded to kill the kids while he could easily save them by transferring them to the Jew families. That's common sense, not denying God. As an ex Muslim who loves Jesus and the new testament, I can't absorb the old Testament the same as I can't accept Quran.
It is ironic however because the reason of eliminating all canaanites, I mean women and babies canaanites is because canaanites were practicing baby sacrifice.
The Canaanites are stars in the sign of Scorpio.
Elaborate
@@idahoduckhunter
The four sons of Ham, in biblical birth order, are Leo, Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio.
@Disfatt Bidge
Yes, and they are in every page of the bible.
@Disfatt Bidge
Astrology is nonsense.
If there IS a god it is HIS opinion.
Jesus/Iesus is another word for the double-sexed god Hermes-Aphrodite. The first letter "I" was changed to a J to disguise its phallic meaning. The I represents the male appendage, and the "u" like the v and o represents the female doorway to heaven and the pearly gates. All bible words that begin with the letters J and O are phallic and in simple language, they are the penis and pussy. The word JOSeph = I (male) + O (female) + Seph (snake). The snake was a universal symbol of the penis throughout Egyptian and eastern art. Our Joseph and Gabrel are direct copies of the Egyptian god Seb/Sev/Geb the "father" of Osiris, Horus the Elder, Seth, Isis, and Nephthys. Seb/Geb was both male and female.
The are many symbols within the bible that represent the pussy and one is the fish that many Christians display on their car. This fish (pussy) represents the Egyptian Isis "swallowing" the penis of Osiris. All bible words that begin with Eli have the H dropped to conceal the actual meaning of Heli which is the sun.
BUT WHY GOD CREATED THOSE CANANITES IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HE KNEW ALREADY THERE MISBEHAEVERS ????????????????
Everyone has free will to choose, and these men chose to defile God. No action of man is ever forced by God
God can kill who ever he wants, he’s god, his will is beyond our understanding.
Disgusting comment
@@babhag5481 you shouldn’t question the will of god
Funny how if god did create everything that means it created the canaanites and intended them to do what they did
God gave us free will
alexandre Abboud if an all knowing all powerful god exists and it created everything then no free will does not exist because god made everything and knew what was going to happen so it intended every event in history and in the future to happen. That includes child rapists and genocidal dictators. Now that wouldn't disprove god but obviously it diminishes the free will argument.
Forrest Patterson I don’t see how it disprove free will Because God is love and want us to participate in his love he gives us free will being all knowing and all powerfull doesn’t mean he can’t give us free will on the contrary it means he can
alexandre Abboud would he know what we do before we do it? If so his plan would involve our actions and free will doesn't exist because he would've planned for all our actions. He could know everything but not have the power to change anything which would void being an all powerful and knowing god at the same time
alexandre Abboud explain you definition of free will though cause either I assume we have different ideas on it or one of us is contradicting ourselves
There are no deaths in the entire Bible. Does this make anyone unhappy????????
God gives man free will........God then punishes man for acting freely.
this argument is so dumb, why is murder wrong if there is no God.