MacBook Pro Sleep Wake Crash (Part 2: Is It Fixed?) - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures
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It's weird that upgrading to Big Sur didn't fix the issue. Yes, any OS before Big Sur had problems regarding NVMe drives since they were not totally compatible. But Big Sur introduced a new BootROM version that supports all NVMe drives natively. I have a MacBook Pro Mid-2014 with a 1TB Kingston M.2 NVMe that had a similar issue on Mojave/Catalina, if I left the laptop with the lid closed sometimes I would be shown the login screen for FileVault, but then I upgraded to Big Sur to fix the issue and as I expected, it did. Also, upgrading the BootROM is permanent, so even if some day I choose to downgrade back to Catalina, there won't be any issues. If you update the BootROM, you won't need the pmset -a standby 0 fix.
EDIT: If you go to About This Mac -> System Report... and your System Firmware Version is 429.0.0.0.0 then it shouldn't be a problem switching back to the 1TB drive.
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Edit this ain't the add but the link it lead to. The add was sketchy and they were talking about a pair of binoculars and that was in the same format as the blaux ac ads.
the intro song is absolutely AMAZING, along with the rest of the video
Thank you : )
@@ComputerClan thanks for making such an awesome show!
@@ComputerClan what is the song, Iâve been trying to find it for ages.
@@jbritain itâs Used to Say from Jingle Punks
@@bluecreeper512archived7 I cannot find it anywhere in YT
Ken: I fixed it.
SSD:Are you sure?
pepeshki ssd: you dare oppose me mortal
I was actually doing some research and apparently Standby Mode is similar to Hibernating in Windows and Linux, in which the session is saved to the SSD, which makes sense why the SSD was the culprit since it would crap out when coming out of Standby.
but the question is why is the SSD is terrible with the mac?
â@@lojainalbher6734 Because Apple doesn't officially support any SSDs other than their own and designs their computers that way, and there are no kexts (Apple's version of drivers) to ensure reliable performance with other brands' drives. A minor difference in how an SSD's firmware handles sleep/wake behaviors can result in all kinds of issues like preventing system sleep (resulting in faster battery drain), slow wake-up times, or even complete inability to wake up.
Correct
@@davidg5898 Doesn't explain why my MacBook has exactly the same sleep wake issue with the original Apple SSD. Sleep wake is clearly f'd up, and Apple ain't interested in fixing it.
@@theunimerse8567 Your sleep/wake symptom might appear exactly the same, but it's probably caused by something totally different if you're still using stock hardware. Your situation is unlikely to be related to the stock SSD.
If the problem has been present since day 1, it's likely a hardware issue. If it developed over time, it could be either software or hardware. Try a total drive wipe and fresh install of the OS. If the problem still exists, it's a hardware problem (watch Louis Rossman's videos and you'll see that some MacBooks do end up with sleep/wake issues for various hardware reasons -- so do some PC laptops). If it works fine after a fresh OS install then it was probably a software error that crept in over time. Install your programs back one at a time, checking for the sleep/wake issue before and after each one.
As for Apple fixing things, they don't really fix things. Anything other than a simple and obvious problem and their "geniuses" try to get you to replace the system instead. No data swap services offered, either.
Sleep wake crash sounds like something I experience every now and again.
When you enter internet recovery mode and try to put your password in, doesn't work and then realize while you were trying to replace the battery you somehow broke the keyboard ( Definitely not me )
Reminds me of the time I was trying to put a processor back into a discarded school laptop only for the keyboard to be broken off. Though to be fair that laptop was an absolute pain in the ass to dissassemble, needing to have screws taken off the top and bottom, rather than, say, a normal laptop that only needs the bottom to be taken off.
Oh yeah, and that attempt was in vain, because when I finally accessed the processor socket, there was a processor already in there. A teacher obviously noticed the sticky note I'd left on it saying that that I took the CPU out. I was looking for a replacement to the shitty ass CPU in my eMachines but the one from the school laptop didn't fit.
On a positive note, there were two other discarded school laptops of the exact same model. I only needed to find chargers for them and they would actually work. As for my eMachines, I found a 4GB RAM stick in one of the dead Dell laptops that actually fit and used it to replace one of my 2GB RAM sticks (taking my RAM from 4GB to 6GB, further reducing the not responding error). I do, however, regret not taking two.
Check your systemfirmware, if its on 429.0.0.0.0 you should have the newest efi and the updated big sur driver. On this Version you can use the third party ssd without a problem. The problem is that mac can only update their systemfirmware with the original ssd. And the new version coming with big sur fixed all sleep wake issues.
I upgraded from 157.0.0.0.0
Doesn't it just do that automatically when updating?
I've got the MBP2016 13" A1708 (without Touch Bar) with Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe 2242 installed (running Big Sur). The system firmware version is 429.80.1.0.0, but the "Sleep-Wake EFI" problem still persists. So It doesn't look that it was fixed with the latest update (at least in my case). I really don't want to go back to original 256GB SSD đ
how did you go from 429 to 157?
@@pedroqofficial879 He didnât. He went *from* 157.0.0.0.0 to 429.0.0.0.0.
So if you put the original ssd back in and install Big Sur itâll upgrade the firmware properly? You can then go back to the OWC ssd again afterwards?
7:56 looks like they installed the new battery without its adhesive. Not a big deal but yeah, it'll make the battery shift around.
Linus: I am a pro at dropping stuff.
Ken: Hold my shaky hands
Iâm kinda miss the âreally, thatâs just greatâ. Always made me smile.
Every time i read the chat that comes attached with youtube livestreams, i lose at least 5 IQ points.
then its a good thing i never open that thing and keep it tucked away
Hey Ken! Just put a new 1TB WD black drive with the proper adapter in my late 2013 15". Upgraded to big sur before my time machine backup. The big sur upgrade actually has a new EFI version for the computer and adds the fixes neccesary for normal operation with these better NVME drives. The OWC solution still has issues since it is running a non-standard controller.
Considering that the Macbook came out before NVMe was a thing, there's many different issues that it could face when trying to do the functions like the standby mode, etc.
MacOS has supported NVMe for a few years at this point, but the firmware/EFI shell in your Macbook most likely wants an AHCI drive in order to do what it wants.
Even though all PCIe storage devices are meant to be backwards compatible with older systems, this doesn't necessarily mean that it will support all the bells and whistles that the stock Samsung drive had - this can be due to differing chips, different flash controllers or even different power requirements not met or properly supported through drivers by the 2013 model.
Glad I found your channel through work, you saved me from some shitty purchases. Keep it up bud
Ken, the reason you saw the problem only when the Macbook's power adapter wasn't connected to the Macbook (when running on battery power alone) is that Macbooks are supposed to go into standby/hibernate mode only when their power adapter isn't connected, since standby/hibernate mode isn't really needed as long as the power adapter is connected--it's intended to save battery power.
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And thank /you/ for watching (and for noticing that). â€ïž
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Bruh yesss
Didnât think you would be a channel member
Casey with the badge while i freezed mine
The transition to the sponsor was so smooth, good job ken
But Ken, when you made this power-management setting to prevent sleep mode, you put this setting into NVRAM. This setting survives even a SSD swap. I hope you reverted this setting manually before putted your Mac to its 3.5 hr sleep.
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Hi ken
Set the reminders.
dude, today is one year after microsoft ended support for windows 7(January 14, 2020)
mine is 11:00AM PST
@@binhdantat5560 me too.
Hey ! I just wanna let you know about the issue you got with the Time Machine backup and the Mojave recovery partition.
macOS Big Sur's Time Machine backups are in APFS, and not in OS X Journaled. That also means you can't use this drive on older versions as 11.1, even when you try to show the files in the Finder (the drive shows up, but the fils are not here.).
But, if you restore a macOS Catalina Time Machine backup in Big Sur, it will automatically convert to APFS.
So, tip for next time, use a different external SSD to Time Machine Catalina and Big Sur :)
Thanks for the tip, Iâll remember this when I go to back up my Mac again.
So 35 minutes of my life gone and you just sent me back to the original configuration!!
when I upgraded my SSD, I just bought a normal 1TB WD Blue NVME SSD, then found an adapter for $5 or something like that on Amazon that let me put it inside my MacBook Air. However I was having some issue where 60% of the time I'd open the lid, I'd see the flashing question mark folder. But I've since upgraded to a 2014 15" retina MacBook pro, and moved that SSD into the new laptop without formatting or resetting anything. Haven't seen the issue on the new MacBook so I'm pretty sure the Air just has some sort of damage, which would make sense since it was kicked around in a backpack for 4 years in high school and has been dropped more times than I care to admit.
honestly, reminds me of the issue when my computer kept crashing on me when i so much as bumped it. turns out i didn't tighten the screws enough.
Were those screws for the drive? If they were for the drive and it's a 2.5" one the sata port isn't holding it as good as it should, my laptop has no screws in it for its 2.5" western digital 500GB 7200RPM slim HDD but the port holds it good enough that it doesn't need them
@@nathanmead140 i probably should have mentioned those screws were for the graphics card.
I had the same problem. Exactly the same. Although it wasn't the SSD as I thought. It seems that NVRAM, SMC, or PRAM need reset. After resetting them I have no problem.
Part 3: It may not have been the NVMe drive after all.
Part 4: It maybe Marty McFly
@0jaddel0 ughm you have some other issues then
Thank you for this info, I have a late 2013 15" Macbook Pro ( Big Sur) with an OWC 120Gig SSD, that started corrupting and after several attempts to reformat it etc, the Boot up began taking several minutes and would crash if put into sleep mode everytime when disconnected from the battery. Also the battery was draining fast and it ran slow. I suspected the SSD since it was spontaneously corrupting. None of the terminal commands made any difference ( standby mode etc). I replaced the OWC with a cheap 256G Timetech SSD and everything was fixed. Absolutely amazing. Greatly appreciate your advice.
check for firmware updates for both your ssd and your mac. those fixes are usually meant for situations like these and compatibility
I had the same issue with my 13â retina MacBook Pro almost a year ago. However it corrected itself at a later point in time, I wanna say in March? Iâll have to keep that command in mind if I run into that issue again!
OMG these things happened to me once, ive done no modifications to my late 2019 air
Try the standby command and see if it helps!
@@corb2193 it was less that 3 hours. about 30 min after putting my comptuer to sleep, the login window appeared on my second screen. then: âno signalâ pressed some keys on my external keyboard. nothing. opened the lid: âchimeâ and the apple logo. then today i got a sleep wake failure notification.
@@skylinex4719 that sucks hope you can get it fixed!
Hey! I sort of fixed it by deactivating "Power nap" In the settings!!
Ahh good back to the old days of things failing
can I watch it on replay? It starts at 3 am for me :(
Yes
@@ComputerClan ok thank you
Iâve been waiting for this also I love the music in your intro lol
Crazy Ken about to get 250K subs HYPE TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
my current laptop *asus tp300la* used to also hav a sleep wake crash but i manged to fix it by replace my ram and updated my bios and it fixed it
the krazy ken curse is more of a curse then a blessing
Great video, apart from the sound lacking the bass.
I thought it would be the SSD.... I was surprised to learn myself that these 3rd party SSDs were playing no better than M.2s with adapters in the sleep/wake department. I thought these had been given the special firmware that would make it fully compatible, apparently not :/
There is a fix for this, for those who are still confused, put back original ssd, install which ever older MacOS just to make sure things go correctly, then upgrade to newest MacOS BigSur, this will update the firmware with the NVME drivers, after this, put back the NVME third party and hopefully you will have fixed the hibernation issue, you can do the terminal way but your battery will run down sooner as its on all the time in sleep mode.
Do you think, this will also help with battery drain issues during sleep mode?
I tried it and with BigSur it works. With Monterey it doesn't and the battery drains during the night. In 10 hours more than 20% đ
YESSSS HE BROUGHT BACK THE OG INTRO I LOVE THAT SONG
Isn't it just the same as always?
LOL This MacBook Always Havin Issues First The Safari Thing Now The Sleep WAke Thing
If you got problems with internet recovery just hold option on boot Connect to wifi and hold option command r
did you set the standby option with pmset back to "1"? Idk if Time Machine transfers this kind of data too, just wanted to make sure
Yeah I thought about that too. He did a full restore and I would assume that setting is also transferred over.
I think it saves it to the SMC chip, it sounds like the system management controller would handle
My MacBook Pro 16 has a similar issue....
it must be software. It shuts down/ reboots randomly even in sleep mode. Love your channel!
I hope you can see this comment because this issue is bugging me too!
hey ken! just use a crutial p3 or p5 nvme ssd and a cheap nvme adapter for the macbook pro! ive never had the issues that you had with the owc ssd with the one that i used.. ive used it on high sierra mojave catalina big sur and monterey on my 2013 13 inch macbook pro and never had that issue...
I know on my 2020 Intel iMac 27 . . .I had to disable PowerNap, that fixed my crash-from-sleep issue that I was having. Apparently it's pretty common. On my early-2011 MBP I'm running a Toshiba SSD and that seems to run pretty well. It's a lighting fast machine with an SSD, I'll tell you what.
I have a MacBook Air (2015) with the stock SSD and it has the same problem.
i have a similar problem, with the original SSD on a 2013. I also have a problem where i lift the lid and the keyboard and mouse are frozen for 30sec-1m or i lift the lid and the computer is awake and it never locked.
Iâll watch it on Baidu.
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my new MacBook Pro 16 inch has the same problem....
It's brand new; I reinstalled macOS bigSur and it's still happening...
macos booting up with the lid closed is krazy
i am getting this issue in 2020 macbook air
what should i do
Owc should have a firmware update for this issue.
I think the problem was that the ssd wanted more power but could not get it so it shut down
Itâs not just OWC SSDâs itâs all aftermarket replacements
A kingston m.2 with a cheap adapter works like wonders
Ken! Glad you fixed it but my old MacBook Air did the same thing. I had it stock no upgrades no nothing. It was a 2018 so everything was sottered on. I never knew what the problem was.
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Pretty epic to see the channel grow so quickly right now.
âSamsung SSD with MacBookâ
Me: thatâs illegal
16:59 : Imagine waiting for 5 hours or so with the the charger plugged in.
Can confirm this is due to an issue caused by an error with boot camp assistant that transferred over with your backup. Not entirely sure exactly the error but itâs 100% due to the bootcamp assistant being used
THAT KERNEL PANIC ERROR PRANK LOL
4 days ago I installed a 500 GB WD Black SN750 disk drive to my -old- new Macbook Pro 15" mid 2015 and it works great.
The SSD is way faster than the OEM 512 SSD that came originally with this device and all SSD-related utilities works as intended. The adapter that I used is one called Sintech or something like that.
That's my recommendation: +2900 read and ~2500 write speeds respectively.
I've had this problem for quite a while on a MBP 13, 2017. Crash every time I started or opened the top. Many times a day I had to go through multiple reinstalls of Big Sur before it would restart with a Pram zap. I actually wouldn't go through the reinstall but shutdown when it got to the "select drive" screen because the reinstall didn't help. Seems to be a Big Sur problem. It didn't start crashing immediately when I went to Big Sur, but a couple of upgrades later. But yesterday I tied a simple hack that seems to have fixed the problem. I have a thumb drive attached all the time and I guess it never goes into deep sleep and doesn't initiate the crash.
Reinstalling macOS can be quite an experience (I had to deal with a 2013 MacBook Air and that thing took me days to fix). By the way, congrats on the new subscribers, you deserve it!
i have same device macbook air 2013 and im facing the same problem, can u plz tell me how to fix it
i a also facing the same problem in my macbook air too after replacing my ssd
I've been running a Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD CT1000P1SSD8 in my 2014 15" Retina without any issues for more than a year....
Hey just some insight I ordered that seem ST from the same manufacture a 1 TB drive with 16 gigabytes of RAM and I had some start up issues as well and it rebooting just like as you said youâd sporadically put up in the middle of the night when I was sleeping in the same issues so Iâm glad to know that Iâm not alone
Finally itâs fixed.
sleep/wake issue is common on 2013/2014 macbook not the SSD, got the 2015 and no issue at all.
"It's good to have a backup, because you never know what might happen"
Couldn't agree more. Maybe the hard drive in your laptop eats sh!t and you lose everything.
_Source: Exactly that happened to me in late 2020_
Why do i see Druaga in the intro? Is that guy OK? Haven't visited his channel for a long time
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You are right about having back ups. The other day I had to reset my M1 MacBook Pro, it sucked. at least I had some of my data In iCloud, the rest of my music and beats that I made Iâve lost all of them. they were my new beats
Ken in Part 1: Yay I fixed that Sleep/Wake
The stupid (and annoying) SSD: Are you sure about that?
Ken right now: Ah (beep), here we go again.
Did you remember turn set pmset standby 1 again?
i put a crucial P1 1TB into my 13" late 2013 pro with the QNINE adapter and it works perfectly fine.
i had this issue too but only with the original drive and only in catalina
I have a macbook pro a1708 13" for some time continues to give me kernel panic airport and I can not solve
i've used the Trascend drives, havent had any issues reported, but i hardly deal with macs, honestly i really dislike them
Hey. Computer Clan I Need Help. My Macbook Battery Wonât Calibrate. I Read Online But I Canât Finish The First Calibration Step. Recharge The Battery.
I have the same error on my daily driver macbook air 13 from 2019 but the whole thing is stock. I haven't opened it yet and still crashes sometimes.ill hear the bong in the middle of the night and scares me
I have seen some say they have had issues with OWC Memory. That is why I went with Samsung memory for my 2020 iMac
"So I knew the SSD" đ
There exists Thunderbolt 3 enclosures for gum drives like that. Put it in one of those and make a scratch drive out of it.
The file with guestion bar as system not found
At least OWC includes the external case to convert it to a usb SSD.
Iâm having this exact issue on the exact same MacBook.
I give up and iâm going to do the same thing.
I upgraded my MacBook 15" 2015 with a Samsung 970 EVO. Works great and no issues at all.
maybe depending with NVME adapter ?
For me My 2015 had the same thing with a OWC drive the day I installed it, so I want to owc website and there was a drive update. It work just fine.
Well, that sucks! I did the same upgrade after watching the initial video, now you are saying the "fix" is to undo the upgrade! My day is ruined.
i have this problem on my windows 10 pc also it littarly disables my coustom cursor
Windows user here....
20 minutes for an OS install when you have an SSD??
...I am confused O.o;;
Last time I did windows 10 install the whole process from boot to install and login was... Maybe 7 minutes? But I was using a Usb 3.1 USB stick to an SSD m.2 drive but.... Isntbtaht the same here?
so this cant be fixed without the command runs right?
I had this problem on my 2008 MacBook Pro. Really annoying.
I feel exactly the same. About a year ago I upgraded the SSD in my 2014 MBP and fixed it with this command. But it just doesn't feel right to me... Can't go back to 128Gb tho
Same is happening to my asus laptop, already formatted it and reinstalled windows like you did on part 1 but still crashes during sleep, prolly gonna change the ssd too
I'm just disappointed that you didn't name the drive "24."
Only thing on my pc that could be gone if my 2 nvme ssds fail both all that can be gone is windows and the hundreds of games no photos/work.
What's not upgraded on this MacBook