Really? A big contingent of the 2007 winning team of South Africa were part of the 2003 shambles. Not sure how the younger players get experience at that level, unless it’s going through what happened to them this world cup. Same for England in 99 and then won it in 2003.
I thought EJ handled himself very well at what must have been the impossibly difficult moments of his professional career. Speaking as an unbiased Irish man.
The real problem here is the inept & dysfunctional old boys club that has presided over the decline of rugby in Au over the past decade, that sacked various coaches including Rennie, and then hired this narcissistic Muppet... yes I'm talking about Rugby Australia, and their chairman plus EJ should be sacked ASAP. What is needed is cultural change and generational change in RA.
The only thing fast Eddie’s good at is making excuses. The way to bring young people in any sport or profession up through the levels of performance is under the wing of the experienced and expert. Eddie’s decided otherwise…
It's not the only way and in Australias case not really a option at all especially if you have a specific culture with older players that is functional yes but has a relatively low sealing in terms of ultimate achievement. Dropping a player with mental health issues and another one that is basically a hollow echo of himself with only ego on legs left in the bag is in the long run perhaps a way to introduce a fresh culture. One where disappointment leads to discipline and ambition in stark contrast to a locker room feeding on the facade of victories of the past and weird bogan ego's . The reality is that the Austrian system is not producing quality players and the administration needs a wakeup call. Ido not think they will wake up mind you but the alarm has been rung and it's loud. The Aussie rules and the League chaps must be relieved that things are going the way it is as suddenly the incentive to rather play these codes has gone up. It was big anyway but now it has the potential to be hi octane . The obvious knock on effect is that less talent will flow to union in Australia. Clever calm and courageous leadership and administration is now needed to fix the elephant in the room. The elephant incase you are blind is talent yes but it intersects with the playing culture. The wallabies are still the only team ever to have been able to compete at the highest level winning world cups with sub par forwards and this mentality has stuck in the Wallaby DNA and here lies the second issue. You need to address the talent pipeline but do so in the right way. You put as a first priority Monster Front rowers and as second priority, Dominant Second rowers and mongrel back rowers as a 3rd. The way the rules have changed has shifted the game away from a space where pull a rabbit out of a hat back line play can win games behind a mediocre pack. The reliance one South Sea Island talent is probably also a ship that has sailed. You will always be able to contract league and Aussie rules types to make up the difference in the back yes but forward play needs to be developed utilising talent that is developed playing union
Imagine a national sports body being fooled into offering a lucrative long term management contract to someone because he convinced you that in order to have a chance at winning a World Cup in 5 years time, that he would have to experiment and potentially “throw away” their chances at the upcoming World Cup this year, i.e. if he performs terribly in the most important competition the sport has to offer, its all just “part of the plan “ and keep paying him for another 4 years. That’s one humiliating possibility. The other one would be that Eddie and ARU actually truly believe that this was the right way to proceed (to throw away/experiment) with this World Cup and treat it like it basically doesn’t matter, in the hope of unearthing a few young players a little earlier than they would have been discovered anyway and throwing them in the deep end without a safety net. . Absolutely terrible attitude to have and very disrespectful to the sport and World Cup in general if that is the case. Or, if it’s the first option, then still bad form, but maybe fair play to Eddie for convincing the ARU that he actually believes that, when he doesn’t, just so he can get away with a terrible World Cup performance if it were to happen (which it now has), so he can continue to be paid for another WC cycle.
Dave Rennie was doing a decent job and they always seemed to be a threat and just one or two big players from really causing problems.Eddie living off 2 results ie Japan vs SA and England vs ABs.Thought it was a bad appointment at the outset and i was proved right.Fantastic coach during his hey days at Brumbies,but now trading on his mouth
EJ's selection policy was at the root of the problems here. Where were the likes of Michael Hooper, Bernard Foley, Quade Cooper? They were probably the type of players that might have questioned Eddie's strategy, and with good reason. And Eddie, being Eddie, would have cut them precisely because they had the temerity to second guess him. He did that at England. Chris Ashton. Danny Cipriani. Talented players that needed to be given free rein, but were stifled by the controlling influence that is EJ. Even players like Marcus Smith and Henry Arundell hardly got a start under Eddie's tenure there. He wouldn't be told. He's God. "Don't question me, mate!" Therein lies the problem. Eddie's over-inflated ego.
Exactly right, Senior players would’ve voiced some thoughts and were told get in behind or get out! Dave Rennie coached Wallabies would have made the quarters . Eddie is all bluster. When players are out of form they get dropped, same for coaches!
This was the position I thought England might get to in the cup, coming into it. Given their record over the 6 Nations & Summer tests, key players out multiple games, doubts around Borthers and just an overall lack of positivity coming in. Credit to them, they've found ways to win, took a lot of positives and at the least will be in the quarters. They didn't write themselves off and came to play. Australia though, didn't even come to play and deserve to go home.
Eddie was never a fundamental development coach. He was always just a fine-tuner on existing structures/squads. Either his ego’s got the better of him or he’s happy to be quids-in kidding (conning) people. If he gets paid out of this Oz contract, he’ll be in Japan even richer on a good salary again (and with big funds to import more talent to look good again).
It's a bit rich when he says he takes umbridge at the line of questioning given the hand grenades he regularly throws out. If you set yourself up as the court jester you've got to be prepapred to take the flak.
He handled himself probably better than average. Some pretty incendiary insensible questions. It is not reasonable to expect a struggling team to change overnight just because the coach has changed.
The opinion of a Springbok fan.(unbiased) Don't lend your ears out to the Woodward ilk. Eddie can turn the Wallabies around given time. The whole Australian system seems to be dysfunctional and it will take time to fix. Forget the hype, the same people calling for his head now will call him a genius in a few years time. SA has been there a few times, it takes a lot of effort to sort it out.
@@willempretorius6700 You lance a boil, and that would describe Eddie quite well. Borthwick is already on record as being shocked by the state of the team when he took charge, if the Wallabies want this for them great. Although by all accounts Eddie has already arranged his next job with Japan.
Eddie has a point. Aussie rugby is in decline and the ship needs major upgrade. Eddie has started in a direction and I think the primary focus has been the specific culture with older players that is functional yes but has a relatively low sealing in terms of ultimate achievement. Dropping a player with mental health issues and another one that is basically a hollow echo of himself with only ego on legs left in the bag is in the long run perhaps a way to introduce a fresh culture. One where disappointment leads to discipline and ambition in stark contrast to a locker room feeding on the facade of victories of the past and weird bogan ego's . The reality is that the Austrian system is not producing quality players and the administration needs a wakeup call. Ido not think they will wake up mind you but the alarm has been rung and it's loud. The Aussie rules and the League chaps must be relieved that things are going the way it is as suddenly the incentive to rather play these codes has gone up. It was big anyway but now it has the potential to be hi octane . The obvious knock on effect is that less talent will flow to union in Australia. Clever calm and courageous leadership and administration is now needed to fix the elephant in the room. The elephant incase you are blind is talent yes but it intersects with the playing culture. The wallabies are still the only team ever to have been able to compete at the highest level winning world cups with sub par forwards and this mentality has stuck in the Wallaby DNA and here lies the second issue. You need to address the talent pipeline but do so in the right way. You put as a first priority the development of MONSTER Front rowers and as second priority dominant second rowers followed by mongrel back rowers as a 3rd. The way the rules have changed has shifted the game away from a space where pull a rabbit out of a hat back line play can win games behind a mediocre pack. Eddies pack has been edging in this direction but the culture of the Aussie game is an animal in its own right that will take a lot to shift. The reliance one South Sea Island talent is probably also a ship that has sailed but it is what it is and both New Zealand and Australia will have to adapt.. You will always be able to contract league and Aussie rules types to make up the difference in the back yes but forward play needs to be developed utilising talent that is developed playing union. Eddie can't do it alone and will probably fall on his sword and not be in the picture for much longer there are dark days ahead for the Wallabies this might even be the end of the road altogether.
This is the guy that got England to the finals 2019 to put all the blame on him would be a bit far fetched, it’s sad but it happened and I’m sure they’ll come back stronger. Springboks to win the World Cup obviously just so by the way 😅
This team has everything it needs except strategic awareness, a functional game plan, mongrel loose forwards, confidence, continuity of action, a functional administration, up and coming talent, player dept, supportive fans (with some exceptions) and intensity of action.....
World cups aren’t for rebuilding. Period. The 4 years between world cups is.
Agreed. But then, you don’t change the head coach less than one year prior.
Really? A big contingent of the 2007 winning team of South Africa were part of the 2003 shambles. Not sure how the younger players get experience at that level, unless it’s going through what happened to them this world cup. Same for England in 99 and then won it in 2003.
It's called protecting your job. Eddie is a master at it.
@@etiennetavitian3361I wished they changed fozzie for Razor a year ago the ABs would be way better
@@stevenbissett. He might be a master at that, but he’s definitely hasn’t got a master win loss ratio lately.
I thought EJ handled himself very well at what must have been the impossibly difficult moments of his professional career. Speaking as an unbiased Irish man.
I've been a rugby 🏉 fan for over 50 years.
That is the worst Australian performance I've ever seen!
The real problem here is the inept & dysfunctional old boys club that has presided over the decline of rugby in Au over the past decade, that sacked various coaches including Rennie, and then hired this narcissistic Muppet... yes I'm talking about Rugby Australia, and their chairman plus EJ should be sacked ASAP. What is needed is cultural change and generational change in RA.
Hear hear, well Saif and 3 teams in super rugby
Hear hear, well Said and 3 teams in super rugby
If this guy is coaching the Wallabies next year,if they're lucky,they might finish 4th in the Rugby Championship 😂😂😂
Only because it's impossible to finish 5th 😅
@@alanjackson2712 He’ll,find away to finish 5th though.
The only thing fast Eddie’s good at is making excuses.
The way to bring young people in any sport or profession up through the levels of performance is under the wing of the experienced and expert. Eddie’s decided otherwise…
It's not the only way and in Australias case not really a option at all especially if you have a specific culture with older players that is functional yes but has a relatively low sealing in terms of ultimate achievement. Dropping a player with mental health issues and another one that is basically a hollow echo of himself with only ego on legs left in the bag is in the long run perhaps a way to introduce a fresh culture. One where disappointment leads to discipline and ambition in stark contrast to a locker room feeding on the facade of victories of the past and weird bogan ego's . The reality is that the Austrian system is not producing quality players and the administration needs a wakeup call. Ido not think they will wake up mind you but the alarm has been rung and it's loud.
The Aussie rules and the League chaps must be relieved that things are going the way it is as suddenly the incentive to rather play these codes has gone up. It was big anyway but now it has the potential to be hi octane . The obvious knock on effect is that less talent will flow to union in Australia. Clever calm and courageous leadership and administration is now needed to fix the elephant in the room. The elephant incase you are blind is talent yes but it intersects with the playing culture. The wallabies are still the only team ever to have been able to compete at the highest level winning world cups with sub par forwards and this mentality has stuck in the Wallaby DNA and here lies the second issue. You need to address the talent pipeline but do so in the right way. You put as a first priority Monster Front rowers and as second priority, Dominant Second rowers and mongrel back rowers as a 3rd. The way the rules have changed has shifted the game away from a space where pull a rabbit out of a hat back line play can win games behind a mediocre pack.
The reliance one South Sea Island talent is probably also a ship that has sailed. You will always be able to contract league and Aussie rules types to make up the difference in the back yes but forward play needs to be developed utilising talent that is developed playing union
Imagine a national sports body being fooled into offering a lucrative long term management contract to someone because he convinced you that in order to have a chance at winning a World Cup in 5 years time, that he would have to experiment and potentially “throw away” their chances at the upcoming World Cup this year, i.e. if he performs terribly in the most important competition the sport has to offer, its all just “part of the plan “ and keep paying him for another 4 years.
That’s one humiliating possibility.
The other one would be that Eddie and ARU actually truly believe that this was the right way to proceed (to throw away/experiment) with this World Cup and treat it like it basically doesn’t matter, in the hope of unearthing a few young players a little earlier than they would have been discovered anyway and throwing them in the deep end without a safety net.
. Absolutely terrible attitude to have and very disrespectful to the sport and World Cup in general if that is the case.
Or, if it’s the first option, then still bad form, but maybe fair play to Eddie for convincing the ARU that he actually believes that, when he doesn’t, just so he can get away with a terrible World Cup performance if it were to happen (which it now has), so he can continue to be paid for another WC cycle.
Dave Rennie was doing a decent job and they always seemed to be a threat and just one or two big players from really causing problems.Eddie living off 2 results ie Japan vs SA and England vs ABs.Thought it was a bad appointment at the outset and i was proved right.Fantastic coach during his hey days at Brumbies,but now trading on his mouth
Grifters gonna grift. He should be summarily dismissed for incompetence and bringing the game into disrepute
Eddie Jones was the prototype 2 dribble swingman that was capable of being 3 and D slasher for any team in the 90s
SA went through the same process 7 years ago..., you have to start somewhere....
Yeah, not his way though. Blending experience with youth and not throwing the baby out with the bath water at the RWC.
EJ's selection policy was at the root of the problems here. Where were the likes of Michael Hooper, Bernard Foley, Quade Cooper? They were probably the type of players that might have questioned Eddie's strategy, and with good reason. And Eddie, being Eddie, would have cut them precisely because they had the temerity to second guess him. He did that at England. Chris Ashton. Danny Cipriani. Talented players that needed to be given free rein, but were stifled by the controlling influence that is EJ. Even players like Marcus Smith and Henry Arundell hardly got a start under Eddie's tenure there. He wouldn't be told. He's God. "Don't question me, mate!" Therein lies the problem. Eddie's over-inflated ego.
Could not have said it better , this person is the Ponzi scheme at it's best , he should be doing community service out the back of bourke
Exactly right, Senior players would’ve voiced some thoughts and were told get in behind or get out! Dave Rennie coached Wallabies would have made the quarters . Eddie is all bluster. When players are out of form they get dropped, same for coaches!
EJ did not help himself by continually stating that Australia were going to win - a little humility goes a long way.
It doesn't seem like he will be in the job for too much longer.
Hope RA temporarily installs Phil Kearns as coach and keeps Eddie on as assistant purely to just reopen old wounds for him.
This was the position I thought England might get to in the cup, coming into it. Given their record over the 6 Nations & Summer tests, key players out multiple games, doubts around Borthers and just an overall lack of positivity coming in.
Credit to them, they've found ways to win, took a lot of positives and at the least will be in the quarters. They didn't write themselves off and came to play.
Australia though, didn't even come to play and deserve to go home.
England have just played some very poor sides…they’ve not found a way to win over tier 1 sides yet…
How the croissants Eddie? Only question I would have asked.
Eddie was never a fundamental development coach. He was always just a fine-tuner on existing structures/squads. Either his ego’s got the better of him or he’s happy to be quids-in kidding (conning) people. If he gets paid out of this Oz contract, he’ll be in Japan even richer on a good salary again (and with big funds to import more talent to look good again).
It's a bit rich when he says he takes umbridge at the line of questioning given the hand grenades he regularly throws out. If you set yourself up as the court jester you've got to be prepapred to take the flak.
Eddie! The Boks have a junior kicking coach position available. Apply!
Good interview from Eddie. Took a stand. Stuck up for himself. Took responsibility. Always entertaining.
If he took responsibility he would resign.
ya ya ya Jones sounds like foghorn!!!!
Pay him out.
Cut your losses and move on.
What is up with these crappy questions from the media?
He handled himself probably better than average. Some pretty incendiary insensible questions. It is not reasonable to expect a struggling team to change overnight just because the coach has changed.
Good warning here for anyone who thought Borthwick should have left all the old players at home and picked the youth instead.
We all went through our phases. Never underestimate Australia.
Your name says it all
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"A little shit place with 3 million people." Looks like it came back and bit you on the arse Eddie lol.
Graham Rowntree must coach the wallabies.
The opinion of a Springbok fan.(unbiased) Don't lend your ears out to the Woodward ilk. Eddie can turn the Wallabies around given time. The whole Australian system seems to be dysfunctional and it will take time to fix. Forget the hype, the same people calling for his head now will call him a genius in a few years time. SA has been there a few times, it takes a lot of effort to sort it out.
In months he managed to do to the Wallabies, what it took him years to do with England.
Rubbish statement
@@darrenbellenger1 It hurts but sometimes you have to Lance the wound. It's not as if Borthwick is such a success with the English.
@@willempretorius6700 You lance a boil, and that would describe Eddie quite well.
Borthwick is already on record as being shocked by the state of the team when he took charge, if the Wallabies want this for them great.
Although by all accounts Eddie has already arranged his next job with Japan.
Always loved Eddie Jones...was hoping he'd get to bow out in style....at least he has a 2007 WC medal in the bag
With South Africa?
Not as head coach.
What's the problem with this guy that keeps asking about Eddie going to Japan... that was not cool man...
It wasn't cool that Eddie was stabbing Australia in the back in the first place.
One is telling the truth , and it’s not Eddie
eddie is always pompus and has comments to put down questions.. let them grill him while he is knocked off his high seat.. imo..
Keep Eddie, Australia will be fine I've no doubt.
He's broken these players spirits
Mate wallabies been crap for 20 years, time for them all to go.
Like fozzie
@@Trajan2401. Ian Foster will get better with time. He has a better record than Eddie at the moment.
I feel for the players except for eddy
Aus doesn't hv the cattle ...Pacific islanders won't b there to draw from goin into the future😂
Eddie has a point. Aussie rugby is in decline and the ship needs major upgrade. Eddie has started in a direction and I think the primary focus has been the specific culture with older players that is functional yes but has a relatively low sealing in terms of ultimate achievement. Dropping a player with mental health issues and another one that is basically a hollow echo of himself with only ego on legs left in the bag is in the long run perhaps a way to introduce a fresh culture. One where disappointment leads to discipline and ambition in stark contrast to a locker room feeding on the facade of victories of the past and weird bogan ego's .
The reality is that the Austrian system is not producing quality players and the administration needs a wakeup call. Ido not think they will wake up mind you but the alarm has been rung and it's loud.
The Aussie rules and the League chaps must be relieved that things are going the way it is as suddenly the incentive to rather play these codes has gone up. It was big anyway but now it has the potential to be hi octane . The obvious knock on effect is that less talent will flow to union in Australia. Clever calm and courageous leadership and administration is now needed to fix the elephant in the room. The elephant incase you are blind is talent yes but it intersects with the playing culture. The wallabies are still the only team ever to have been able to compete at the highest level winning world cups with sub par forwards and this mentality has stuck in the Wallaby DNA and here lies the second issue. You need to address the talent pipeline but do so in the right way. You put as a first priority the development of MONSTER Front rowers and as second priority dominant second rowers followed by mongrel back rowers as a 3rd. The way the rules have changed has shifted the game away from a space where pull a rabbit out of a hat back line play can win games behind a mediocre pack. Eddies pack has been edging in this direction but the culture of the Aussie game is an animal in its own right that will take a lot to shift.
The reliance one South Sea Island talent is probably also a ship that has sailed but it is what it is and both New Zealand and Australia will have to adapt.. You will always be able to contract league and Aussie rules types to make up the difference in the back yes but forward play needs to be developed utilising talent that is developed playing union. Eddie can't do it alone and will probably fall on his sword and not be in the picture for much longer there are dark days ahead for the Wallabies this might even be the end of the road altogether.
Eddie. The ups & downs.? How about some ups mate. Unfortunately you are the coach of the worst Wallabies side ever.
This is the guy that got England to the finals 2019 to put all the blame on him would be a bit far fetched, it’s sad but it happened and I’m sure they’ll come back stronger.
Springboks to win the World Cup obviously just so by the way 😅
You just got pumped by the paddies
"Pumped"? Not sure which match you were watching.@@michelemijat8260
@@michelemijat8260as a kiwi, no they did not get pumped...
Give it a yr or two and this team will be strong.
This team has everything it needs except strategic awareness, a functional game plan, mongrel loose forwards, confidence, continuity of action, a functional administration, up and coming talent, player dept, supportive fans (with some exceptions) and intensity of action.....
Eddie shit the bed for years and is still coaching 😂