It’s a great video, but you missed the most crucial part of the rebuild. How you actually got the cam shaft back in, how you set the timing, how you got the tensioner back on and tension on the chain. This is the meat and potatoes of the build and it’s unfortunate that in such a great video you missed this.
This engine yes seems poorly maintained. But i think in a lot of cases. Not only om651. They are ignoring the route cause. The oil filter housings drain dry Back to sump overnight. Causing delay on cold start oil feed. The oil drains back to sump via fiter supply channel. Try this. Remove your oil filter. Before a morning cold start. Ok i know oil housing is designed to empty to sump on removal. But a filter. Seconds before removal was immersed in oil. Filter would be dripping wet. If yours is bone dry. Your filter housing drained back many hours before. You got a drain back issue.
I'm hoping to spread the word. If u have a 2012-2014 MB C-class and u have rattling sound and ur mechanic think it's the timing chain, call up ur MB dealership and get it diagnosed and fixed. The repair will be completely free. The timing chain issue is related to the camshaft adjuster issue, and it's part of the camshaft adjuster recall, in which MB corporate has extended the original factory warranty to 120k miles. So if u have timing chain issue, the camshaft adjuster is prob an issue as well and ur local MB dealership will repair it for free. I just had mine done recently.
@@joiofjenz As far as I know C-class and SLK-class. U should've received recall letter in ur mail, if not then likely ur car isn't part of the recall...
thank you for this video, i have an w204 2012 and i was hearing some little noise at first, then it went like the car in the video, the noise was very much and i remembered this video.
Yep this is exactly what my gmc terrain was doing. Idiots at the place I bought it from said it was the throttle body and then had me continue to drive it assuring me it was fine. Now I need a new engine and only had the 12k car 4 months.
Damn, the two times my throttle body went out on my Malibu, my car would shake horribly if I went over 20 mph. My car physically couldn't. So idk how the mechanic would say it's fine to drive
Good job and fairly easy to do with this engine unless one slide rail has to come out. Then the engine would have to come out, as already described here! I just happened to have the injectors out on my W204 CDI 200 and then took the cylinder head cover off to inspect the chain, spur gears and camshafts. Everything is still super top, the chain has not been stretched, the sprockets and camshafts have no visible wear ;-))
How much it would cost? Thinking to do it on my merc too is the exact same model, there is no rattling noise but I want to change the chain tensioner and sprokets just is case .
I have an intermittent noise on idling on my 2013 SLK AMG and no one including Mercedes can solve the problem it’s only when the engine has been running for 20 mins or so and not all the time only occasionally it’s fully serviced no expense spared and runs like a dream otherwise ! Drives me mad 3 years of it now
Thanks I’ve not heard it for days now it is only a second or two when I do anyway I forget about it and if the radio is off and I hear I only remember it then ! It’s an annoying gremlin that appears rarely !!
I sounds like it could be a frequency noise. Odd noises that only appear rarely can often be a frequency noise. Let me explain. Just like tuning a radio, you have to get the frequency on your radio just right to receive the radio station of your choice, turn the dial a fraction to the left or the right and nothing. Often on cars you will have a loose bolt (The heat shields behind the exhaust is a common one.) that will cause something to vibrate and make the noise. It will only vibrate at a certain frequency, this frequency can only be achieved when the temperature is just right, the engine rpm is just right and sometimes even the air humidity can play a part. I have a 1991 Land Cruiser, never had a vibration until i fitted a new exhaust, now the running board will vibrate but only at certain times. I have changed one of the parameters that was required to hit that frequency.
Great video how many miles? You would think mercedes would be more reliable for the high price they seem to have engine and electric problems the worst possible problems piles of ....
Nice video brother how u know what different between timing chain noisy and dualmass flywheel noisy i have Hyundai i30 2016 automatic gear making noisy is only 44067miles please
My e class has only done 47,000 kms and the engine has this symptom on morning starts and hot starts when rpm is below 600 is this normal? doesnt feel normal to me, considering the car is only 40 odd thousand kilometers in!
I have no noise on cold start. I only have an iron level noise at low rpm when I accelerate, once I let off the accelerator it disappears, or it disappears after 2000 rpm what can it be
I have this problem as well with my W212 2009. My mechanic said always that the noise was not that serious to do an intervention. At the end I got a broken guide: a small peace was visible in the chain when the cover was removed. Now my mechanic says that in fact even if the guide has lost a small peace of it, it is not really necessary to replace the guide together with the chain. His argument is that if the new chain is installed, it will never touch the guide any ways and so the risk in practice near to zero. The local Mercedes would have said that they never replace the guides neither, but I dont know whether they don't do that even in case of partially damaged guide? My question is: Is my mechanic right in his reasoning regarding neglecting the guide replacement in case of small damages? What would be risk? Why should I replace the guide in case of damage?
2016 mk7 gti. I posted a video on my channel … when I start the car it makes a rattling noise but goes away in a couple seconds. Any idea on what it could be. I know it’s hard to say by listening to a video. Just trying to get any idea
why would the engineers put the timing chain on the back side of the engine? Sounds like that completely makes the process of replacing much more time consuming and difficult.
They had to make an engine with the same harmful technical characteristics as the chain breaker bmw n87 2000. BMW and MERC have agreed to build vehicles that are beautiful and deliberately expensive to repair… (if you think about it, they are similar in concept). Mercedes needed a drive gear between the high-pressure pump and the camshafts that could do everything with maintenance-free gears. Customer MUST EXPENSE for maintenance.
Good video but ok poor maintenance high miles can cause this. But i think ive found the reason. Especially on chain rattle om651 The real reason that sets some chain failure scenarios in motion. The oil filter housings are draining back overnite into engine sump. Try pulling your oil filter out before morning cold start. Ok i know removing filter and stem the oil runs back to sump yes. But in some cars oil filter is bone dry as if oil disappeared many hours before. Not a drip. From filter. This means you are starting car in morning and oil pump has to fill oil housing first. So oil feed delay. And no its not oil filter bad stem o rings. The oil drains back down feed side. Ok changing chain and tensioner shuts it up for a limited time. Yes. But if you ignore route cause. Failure soon returns. So do it remove your filter. Before a first morning start. If your filter is bone dry and has no sign of oil immersion seconds before. You have a drain back issue. As yet im not exactly sure why. But my focus is on cap on side of oil cooler manifold. Pull it out its got long stem with spring loaded Pointed end. Some say its a oil cooler thermostat. Others say oil pressure regulator. But its directly in feed supply line to oil filter housing and looks more like a one way anti run back valve. I own a b class. 60000 miles. Merc genuine oil n filter change 3 times a year. Not exactly under maintained. ! But chain rattle cold start. 3 seconds then silence all day. I remove oil filter stem place in cup filled with oil. Fit cap. Cold start total silence !!
@@samsonacc8081 No obviously not ! but it proved. Oil drain back overnight is my cause of cold rattle. Empty oil housing. Delay in oil pressure feed to hydraulic chain tensioner. I have made a simple silicone disc that fits in bottom of oil filter housing. Lets oil past under pressure. Then when engine off Stops run back drain. And it works perfect. No cold start rattle. Ok ive removed it for now. Till i get more info on suitable silicone material and refine design. But what im saying is. If your oil filter is full at cold start. No oil feed delay. Not allways the answer to every chain tensioner / chain failure. Some are high miles poor service fails. But id say a lot are also dry start filter cold starts. That can also accelerate fail. This video yes shows a poorly maintained car yes. Chain does rattle. But ask yourself this. Why does it stop rattling. After a few seconds. Also it shows slack chain between top pulleys. But if engine is stopped and tensioner is pushed home due to being empty. The left hand cam might be pulling hard clockwise due to cam position and thats why slack. Showing between pulleys Has anybody actually measured just how much these supposedly stretched chains have actually stretched.
All European/German cars have good performance but only for short term. I feel like they were designed for quick performance but not for longevity/ reliability. They want to get people coming back to their workshop for hefty repairs!
Tsb says no consequential damage expected. So it's not necessary to do check valve and tensioner upgrade? Or is it just Benz trying to downplay the problem?
The latter. MB will never admit to this problem and my garage does not admit it either. They have been told to deny it as people at my dealer have said "the chain on these engines don't need replacing"
So if the camshaft sprockets showed wear and they were replaced, then the one sprocket down below on the crankshaft is worn as well and should have been replaced also, otherwise it will eat the new chain and this repair is very shortlived. There is a reason why the dealerships will change everything and not just something.
Thanks ... Now i know whats going on with my mitsubishi... I really hope my mecanic don t say something else . u know . a lot of times they re cheaters
No one replacing the water pump................bad move. Yes, it would have cost more, but it will costs even more when it goes, all will have to opened up again.
From an engineers perspective it's actually the best location for the timing chain. Much less vibrations (hence less wear) and due to the fact that it's a very short chain, there is also much less wear. Unfortunately the bookkeeper took the remaining minimum required strength as an advise and decided a little cheaper would still work...
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Excellent video. A guide on how to set the timing would be really nice!
It's nice to know that you can replace a timing chain without taking the entire cover off
It’s a great video, but you missed the most crucial part of the rebuild. How you actually got the cam shaft back in, how you set the timing, how you got the tensioner back on and tension on the chain. This is the meat and potatoes of the build and it’s unfortunate that in such a great video you missed this.
Yeah what the point without showing the most difficult and crusial part
Exactly! Pointless video 👎👎👎👎
Y’all be asking for too much 🤦🏽♀️
This engine yes seems poorly maintained. But i think in a lot of cases. Not only om651. They are ignoring the route cause. The oil filter housings drain dry Back to sump overnight. Causing delay on cold start oil feed. The oil drains back to sump via fiter supply channel. Try this. Remove your oil filter. Before a morning cold start. Ok i know oil housing is designed to empty to sump on removal. But a filter. Seconds before removal was immersed in oil. Filter would be dripping wet. If yours is bone dry. Your filter housing drained back many hours before. You got a drain back issue.
@garethoswald3392 so how do you fix that issue?
So nice when you see mechanics that know what they are doing 👌😁
I'm hoping to spread the word. If u have a 2012-2014 MB C-class and u have rattling sound and ur mechanic think it's the timing chain, call up ur MB dealership and get it diagnosed and fixed. The repair will be completely free. The timing chain issue is related to the camshaft adjuster issue, and it's part of the camshaft adjuster recall, in which MB corporate has extended the original factory warranty to 120k miles. So if u have timing chain issue, the camshaft adjuster is prob an issue as well and ur local MB dealership will repair it for free. I just had mine done recently.
I didn’t know mb can fix this for free ?
Is this recall for all 2012-2014 models?
@@joiofjenz As far as I know C-class and SLK-class. U should've received recall letter in ur mail, if not then likely ur car isn't part of the recall...
@@huantsai9406 ok thx
How long is that recall for mine is doing it now will they fix it for free
thank you for this video, i have an w204 2012 and i was hearing some little noise at first, then it went like the car in the video, the noise was very much and i remembered this video.
Excellent job and very useful video, thank you so much for your work!
Yep this is exactly what my gmc terrain was doing. Idiots at the place I bought it from said it was the throttle body and then had me continue to drive it assuring me it was fine. Now I need a new engine and only had the 12k car 4 months.
Damn, the two times my throttle body went out on my Malibu, my car would shake horribly if I went over 20 mph. My car physically couldn't. So idk how the mechanic would say it's fine to drive
Good job and fairly easy to do with this engine unless one slide rail has to come out. Then the engine would have to come out, as already described here!
I just happened to have the injectors out on my W204 CDI 200 and then took the cylinder head cover off to inspect the chain, spur gears and camshafts. Everything is still super top, the chain has not been stretched, the sprockets and camshafts have no visible wear ;-))
Great video bro, very detailed and easy to follow. Keep up the good work
Very nice way to change the chain
Muy buen trabajo me ha gustado mucho veros trabajar ,en breve le hare el cambio del tensor de la cadena al mio ,gracias un saludo like y me suscribo
i have 308k on my 250cdi, no chain noise even with -20c, not planning to change yet
Great video I've got the same problem with the toyota hilux n80
Thank you firvthis valuable information
How much it would cost? Thinking to do it on my merc too is the exact same model, there is no rattling noise but I want to change the chain tensioner and sprokets just is case .
Excellent videp
Very informative. Just need to know where
You are. In case I need your services.
I have an intermittent noise on idling on my 2013 SLK AMG and no one including Mercedes can solve the problem it’s only when the engine has been running for 20 mins or so and not all the time only occasionally it’s fully serviced no expense spared and runs like a dream otherwise ! Drives me mad 3 years of it now
Maybe engine mounts or a pully needs to be replaced.
Thanks I’ve not heard it for days now it is only a second or two when I do anyway I forget about it and if the radio is off and I hear I only remember it then ! It’s an annoying gremlin that appears rarely !!
I sounds like it could be a frequency noise.
Odd noises that only appear rarely can often be a frequency noise. Let me explain. Just like tuning a radio, you have to get the frequency on your radio just right to receive the radio station of your choice, turn the dial a fraction to the left or the right and nothing.
Often on cars you will have a loose bolt (The heat shields behind the exhaust is a common one.) that will cause something to vibrate and make the noise. It will only vibrate at a certain frequency, this frequency can only be achieved when the temperature is just right, the engine rpm is just right and sometimes even the air humidity can play a part.
I have a 1991 Land Cruiser, never had a vibration until i fitted a new exhaust, now the running board will vibrate but only at certain times. I have changed one of the parameters that was required to hit that frequency.
@@harveysmith100 Its called resonant frequency
@@johnfeeney4636 Thanks John.
how many kilometers did the car have? when you changed the chain
Жаль что нету многих важных моментов.Как башмаки заменили не снемая заднию крышку?там место мало если даже захотеть.
Great video how many miles? You would think mercedes would be more reliable for the high price they seem to have engine and electric problems the worst possible problems piles of ....
Nice work ❤❤❤
How many hours in what was the cost of this repair?
Nice video brother how u know what different between timing chain noisy and dualmass flywheel noisy i have Hyundai i30 2016 automatic gear making noisy is only 44067miles please
My e class has only done 47,000 kms and the engine has this symptom on morning starts and hot starts when rpm is below 600 is this normal? doesnt feel normal to me, considering the car is only 40 odd thousand kilometers in!
the engine oil is very dirty! is this the reason for the failure?
Thanks good
I have no noise on cold start. I only have an iron level noise at low rpm when I accelerate, once I let off the accelerator it disappears, or it disappears after 2000 rpm what can it be
I have the same at 2000rpm. What was the problem?
Great job guys. Whereabouts are you located?
Can the chain be unlink using that tool for any vehicle, like Toyotas Hondas etc?
I was just looking for it👍👍👍
what was the engine mileage at the time of replacement?
1.5 million miles
@@jex7hi3h54 dh
@@jex7hi3h54 😂😂😂
Had this a few times but repaired it every time with hydraulic tensioner that fits in the head
How to set the timing after the cam gears are removed?
After diag of timing chain issue how long did the repair take ?
I think you should have shown how to use the tool to remove the reset.
I have this problem as well with my W212 2009. My mechanic said always that the noise was not that serious to do an intervention. At the end I got a broken guide: a small peace was visible in the chain when the cover was removed.
Now my mechanic says that in fact even if the guide has lost a small peace of it, it is not really necessary to replace the guide together with the chain. His argument is that if the new chain is installed, it will never touch the guide any ways and so the risk in practice near to zero. The local Mercedes would have said that they never replace the guides neither, but I dont know whether they don't do that even in case of partially damaged guide?
My question is: Is my mechanic right in his reasoning regarding neglecting the guide replacement in case of small damages? What would be risk? Why should I replace the guide in case of damage?
So what did you do? If the guide is breaking up it will be going into the oil supply - could block / damage something else
2016 mk7 gti. I posted a video on my channel … when I start the car it makes a rattling noise but goes away in a couple seconds. Any idea on what it could be. I know it’s hard to say by listening to a video. Just trying to get any idea
How much dos it cost
why would the engineers put the timing chain on the back side of the engine? Sounds like that completely makes the process of replacing much more time consuming and difficult.
They had to make an engine with the same harmful technical characteristics as the chain breaker bmw n87 2000. BMW and MERC have agreed to build vehicles that are beautiful and deliberately expensive to repair… (if you think about it, they are similar in concept). Mercedes needed a drive gear between the high-pressure pump and the camshafts that could do everything with maintenance-free gears. Customer MUST EXPENSE for maintenance.
Pretty fast 👍👍
Is it similar to rod knock
how is the kilometer?
How much to fix it
Holy wow that chain was loud at 0:48
It still sounds same
the lubrication holes of the chain have to go outwards
Good video but ok poor maintenance high miles can cause this. But i think ive found the reason. Especially on chain rattle om651 The real reason that sets some chain failure scenarios in motion. The oil filter housings are draining back overnite into engine sump. Try pulling your oil filter out before morning cold start. Ok i know removing filter and stem the oil runs back to sump yes. But in some cars oil filter is bone dry as if oil disappeared many hours before. Not a drip. From filter. This means you are starting car in morning and oil pump has to fill oil housing first. So oil feed delay. And no its not oil filter bad stem o rings. The oil drains back down feed side. Ok changing chain and tensioner shuts it up for a limited time. Yes. But if you ignore route cause. Failure soon returns. So do it remove your filter. Before a first morning start. If your filter is bone dry and has no sign of oil immersion seconds before. You have a drain back issue. As yet im not exactly sure why. But my focus is on cap on side of oil cooler manifold. Pull it out its got long stem with spring loaded Pointed end. Some say its a oil cooler thermostat. Others say oil pressure regulator. But its directly in feed supply line to oil filter housing and looks more like a one way anti run back valve. I own a b class. 60000 miles. Merc genuine oil n filter change 3 times a year. Not exactly under maintained. ! But chain rattle cold start. 3 seconds then silence all day. I remove oil filter stem place in cup filled with oil. Fit cap. Cold start total silence !!
So you add oil every morning?
@@samsonacc8081 No obviously not ! but it proved. Oil drain back overnight is my cause of cold rattle. Empty oil housing. Delay in oil pressure feed to hydraulic chain tensioner. I have made a simple silicone disc that fits in bottom of oil filter housing. Lets oil past under pressure. Then when engine off Stops run back drain. And it works perfect. No cold start rattle. Ok ive removed it for now. Till i get more info on suitable silicone material and refine design. But what im saying is. If your oil filter is full at cold start. No oil feed delay. Not allways the answer to every chain tensioner / chain failure. Some are high miles poor service fails. But id say a lot are also dry start filter cold starts. That can also accelerate fail. This video yes shows a poorly maintained car yes. Chain does rattle. But ask yourself this. Why does it stop rattling. After a few seconds. Also it shows slack chain between top pulleys. But if engine is stopped and tensioner is pushed home due to being empty. The left hand cam might be pulling hard clockwise due to cam position and thats why slack. Showing between pulleys Has anybody actually measured just how much these supposedly stretched chains have actually stretched.
All European/German cars have good performance but only for short term. I feel like they were designed for quick performance but not for longevity/ reliability.
They want to get people coming back to their workshop for hefty repairs!
18:02 18:02 18:02 18:02 18:02
Thought you need to put brand new chain? Why fix old to new?
Lmao
He only joined the new to the old to pull it through! Otherwise the engine would have to come to be able to remove the cover!!!
Pay attention!!
Tsb says no consequential damage expected. So it's not necessary to do check valve and tensioner upgrade? Or is it just Benz trying to downplay the problem?
The latter. MB will never admit to this problem and my garage does not admit it either. They have been told to deny it as people at my dealer have said "the chain on these engines don't need replacing"
Help my car is doing this
So if the camshaft sprockets showed wear and they were replaced, then the one sprocket down below on the crankshaft is worn as well and should have been replaced also, otherwise it will eat the new chain and this repair is very shortlived. There is a reason why the dealerships will change everything and not just something.
I have an E Class diesel 2010 model, is it expensive to have the chain replaced in situation? I live in UK.
For a vw its 400 i think so from a dealer maybe a grand
Sounds exact same lol
Changing chains on these engines is a con job. Never recommend by manufacturers and chain should never be tight 😂😂😂
Diagnose? No check of timing or tensioner before you rip it apart? czcams.com/video/RH79PLlIrl0/video.html
How much would a job like this cost me?
how do I know is not a VTC valve instead of chain?
Chain can last millions km!! It’s VTC and injectors nozzles!! They are thieves because the sound call chain 😂😂😂
Ive had a rattle for about a year and drove it like that
had this on e250 soft top even put the ecu light on timeing marks were out got away with just chain and tensioner
How much did it cost you to repair
@@sophiea453 good £1000 but more if you might need to replace the cam phasers around £1500
Manca una parte del finale catena. Peccato
How on earth would Mercedes engineers put the timing chain side of the engine at the back? This is not a good design engine
This is not a good design
Yikes that Merc looks like a nightmare to work on
You shouldn't skip some of the most important parts of your videos.
Mercedes now coming with stupid smart technology why the timing in the hole ! how you do timing for this car?
Damn that's loud
Troco a corrente com o motor no local
I think the noise got worse
Oil changes neglect caused this.. horrible looking oil in it
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And it only took 18 minutes to fix
Who engineers an airbox to sit above turbos..
Thanks ... Now i know whats going on with my mitsubishi... I really hope my mecanic don t say something else . u know . a lot of times they re cheaters
No one replacing the water pump................bad move.
Yes, it would have cost more, but it will costs even more when it goes, all will have to opened up again.
Those engines have the water pump on the front of the engine driven from the auxialiary belt, so no need to change it when changing the timing chain.
Terrible engine design, who in their right mind would put the chain back there? Smh
Then i just worked on a Suzuki outboard engine with the chain basically in the same location.
From an engineers perspective it's actually the best location for the timing chain. Much less vibrations (hence less wear) and due to the fact that it's a very short chain, there is also much less wear.
Unfortunately the bookkeeper took the remaining minimum required strength as an advise and decided a little cheaper would still work...
very common dont buy cheap Mercedes.
Look how dirty the oil is.....
Its a diesel engine even new oil looks like this after few miles
Not in my diesel engine. My oil looks very clean
shit, I will never buy a car like that. its a mess
😅😅😅розвели на гроші. Потрібно було тільки гідронатягувач поміняти і все.
Wow. What a terrible engine to work on.
Mercedes for you
Assai parlato.poco mostrato. Geloso del mestiete.troppe cose importanti saltate.in pratica non serve a niente.
horrible design 😃