My new dream: The Criterion Collection releases Hard Eight on blu-ray with Cigarettes and Coffee as an extra I shall carry this dream with me until it's a reality
The opening impression with that rules the old man puts forward is seriously on of the most engaging way to dwell the audience into the scene, that rough heavy voice, that spoiled half burnt cigarette smoke is one genius way to imitate an impression going on between 2 people in a banal American restraunt. Excellent.
His dialogue isn't quite as honed here as it got to be with Boogie Nights or something, but considering I'm 21 and my closest thing to a talent is that I can kind-of whistle, the fact he did this at 22/23 is pretty insane
All of it is pretty insane, doing the Dirk Diggler Story at fucking 17. Doing Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Magnolia before he even turned 30 is insane.
Yeah, the dialogue between the married couple is a bit overdramatic. Like the whole time I’m listening to the guy, I’m like, “Jesus Christ, guy, you’re friggin relentless.” The dialogue between Phillip Baker Hall and Kirk Baltz is great, and their performances only enhance it. Same with Ferrer’s character. There’s certainly a debt to Mamet in there, but it’s good writing nonetheless. Originally, I thought that the strict ritual of waiting for the coffee and cigarettes before talking was a bit too much, and was really just a way of showing off some cool dialogue. But now I think it’s a great way of showing the older character’s mindset. His whole life, he has placed faith in the discipline of this ritual, and developed the confidence to mentor this young man. The irony, of course, is that at the end, the ritual of coffee and cigarettes did absolutely nothing to “make it right.”
Paul Thomas Anderson in my opinion is one of the best film makers out there, it's a big claim yes, but I look for the simple things, like Cigarettes & Coffee, it's original and normal at the same time. The writing is what I think gets me the most, and I love the detail that he puts into the little things. Vigo and Svankmajer are great, and I understand if their kind of stuff is your cup of tea and I respect that, they have good quality. :)
"You don't have instant coffee? Who doesn't have instant coffee? You buy a jar of Folger's instant coffee, you put it in the cupboard, you forget about it. Then later on when you need it, it's there, it lasts forever. It's freeze-dried. Freeze-dried crystals."
For sure. Zed from pulp fiction and Marvin the cop that had his ear cut off in reservoir dogs were both in this. Tarantino definitely saw and was influenced by this
You don't know what you're talking about. PT met Philip Baker Hall when he was a PA on a set. Almost anybody can get a PA gig - they are low pay, grunt work positions. Hall was impressed with Anderson and read the script for this and wanted to be involved. Simple as that. This story is covered in PBH's Random Roles interview on The Onion's AV Club site.
Similarly, John Singleton met Lawrence Fishburne on "Pee Wee's Playhouse." Singleton was a Page (TV show version of a PA) and Fishburne was Cowboy Curtis. Singleton said that when he got his big break he was going to put Fishburne in his films.
Same. Just watched it again on my Roku. Looked up the film on Wikipedia to see if maybe I'd missed the reason Sydney killed John's father and noticed hard 8 was based on this short. There's also an early version if Boogie Nights Anderson made as a high school kid. Edited with 2 VCRs, very DIY. Boogie Nights us still one of my favorite films ever. Damn though, he crushed it with his first two films, Hard 8 then Boogie Nights. His 2 best, IMO, among an impressive group of great films he's made. I still wonder how he managed to get such an unbelievably great cast in his first real outing. Hard 8 was filled with great performances from great actors. It's one if those movies that I love sending anyone that had it seen it to watch. I'm amazed it hasn't found a much larger audience. It's one of my number one films I'd love to see on the big screen. Just about as perfect as a film can be and, as always IMO, ranks among the greatest gritty noir crime films ever. And, absolutely one of the most under watched compared to it's quality films ever.
Ok people. Lets play spot the Tarantino reference! 1. This was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, who is friends with Quentin Tarantino. 2. The main character of "Douglas" is played by Kirk Baltz, who starred as Marvin Nash, the cop who got his ear cut off in "Reservoir Dogs" 3. At the end of this Bill lifts up the car trunk to see Stevie. A year earlier in "Reservoir Dogs", Tarantino invented the camera angle which was used which is known as a "trunk shot". Its taken from the point of view of the car trunk looking at the person lifting it at a low angle. 4. Wierdly enough, Kirk Baltz' "Reservoir Dogs" character is first seen in a car trunk being opened by Mr Blond. (This scene also used the trunk shot. Watch the scene from "Dogs" & this & u will see that its in perfect sync.Guy walking out to car, looks around, then opens trunk & we see a trunk shot, then a close up of the eyes of the victim in the car.) 5. Both this & "Pulp Fiction" & "Reservoir Dogs" have pivotal scenes (with brilliant dialouge) taking place in a diner. 6. NON LINEAR- FLASHBACKS 7. Suits & sunglasses. :)
Yeah and if you go back even further, Tarantino took his cue from the esteemed Japanese classic Lady Snowblood from 1973 (A film I highly recommend btw). Which the shot in there isn't from a trunk, but the perspective of the characters + framing is nearly identical.
its a bootleg VHS taken off the film reel, a telecine. Its actually an early generation of the tape. It was never released outside the short film circuit for viewing.
Compare this masterful shot]rt to the crap Sundance had this year in their short film line-up, you'd think people forgot how to tell a traditional narrative story that made sense.
From what i've heard Sundance in the 90's was much more about quality, and it somehow morphed into who the producers know in the selection committee in order to get your film screened there.
My question is, where did Thom Yorke get this short film on video? Did he buy it? Did PTA give it to him? Did he steal it from where else? What was the form of piracy back in the mid 90s? Is Thom Yorke a wizard?
I think was good, but does anyone think it was over written? Marvin from Resevoir Dogs can pull it off with Philip Baker Hall, but the married couple can´t.
They were there to add a more sane and normal dynamic when compared to 'Marvin's marriage. I think that is established when he looks at them kissing and I think that was an important shot so as to make him realise what his decision has caused him. I think the couple's dialogue is important to take the audience out of the main storyline because then they will want to come back to it even more. I know I sound like stoner and I apologise
I do like to think that this takes place before reservoir dogs and the guy is the cop that gets he’s ear cut and it’s like karma for what he did to his wife and friend
Has the quality always looked like this? I ask because there’s some really grainy clips in my first short film so I’m looking to make myself feel better. 😂
My new dream:
The Criterion Collection releases Hard Eight on blu-ray with Cigarettes and Coffee as an extra
I shall carry this dream with me until it's a reality
The 2 1/2 hour version of Hard Eight
and Boogie Nights with The Dirk Diggler Story
Let's hope so
Rewatching since Philip Baker Hall passed away today. What a legend! RIP king
The guy talking to the old man is the cop who got his ear cut off in Reservoir Dogs.
Can anyone confirm if the blonde woman starred in The Room?
@@DatAztrak IMDb can confirm it but I don't think she is
and?
How could that be if he still has his ear?
That "old man" is Philip Baker Hall 😤
He should make a 2019 version called “vaporizer and half sweet Carmel macchiato sub coconut milk no whip”
Super underrated comment
LOL!!! I legit did a spit take reading this. Ithanku.
you are the real mvp
It only makes sense 😂
and vape
Wow, there's something incredibly soothing and cozy about the opening scene of this film...
Definetly
That dude's voice. Like a white Morgan Freeman.
Amplifying and singling out quiet noises tends to bring that effect, bit like the peanut wrapper in No Country For Old Men.
ASMR
How could he write that opening at 22yo, that's what I want to know
The opening impression with that rules the old man puts forward is seriously on of the most engaging way to dwell the audience into the scene, that rough heavy voice, that spoiled half burnt cigarette smoke is one genius way to imitate an impression going on between 2 people in a banal American restraunt.
Excellent.
Stick to Bollywood schlock with your dumbass interpretations.
That's why I watched it in full, the ritual at the beginning
His dialogue isn't quite as honed here as it got to be with Boogie Nights or something, but considering I'm 21 and my closest thing to a talent is that I can kind-of whistle, the fact he did this at 22/23 is pretty insane
Haha, "that I can kind-of whistle," that's awesome! 😆
I honestly think the dialogue is great here
Lol. Funny. I agree, but he had the balls to make it and making it helped him improve.
All of it is pretty insane, doing the Dirk Diggler Story at fucking 17. Doing Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Magnolia before he even turned 30 is insane.
Yeah, the dialogue between the married couple is a bit overdramatic. Like the whole time I’m listening to the guy, I’m like, “Jesus Christ, guy, you’re friggin relentless.”
The dialogue between Phillip Baker Hall and Kirk Baltz is great, and their performances only enhance it. Same with Ferrer’s character. There’s certainly a debt to Mamet in there, but it’s good writing nonetheless. Originally, I thought that the strict ritual of waiting for the coffee and cigarettes before talking was a bit too much, and was really just a way of showing off some cool dialogue. But now I think it’s a great way of showing the older character’s mindset. His whole life, he has placed faith in the discipline of this ritual, and developed the confidence to mentor this young man. The irony, of course, is that at the end, the ritual of coffee and cigarettes did absolutely nothing to “make it right.”
Thank you Mr. Thom Yorke for publishing this.
I could watch 2 hours of that opening shot.
Paul Thomas Anderson in my opinion is one of the best film makers out there, it's a big claim yes, but I look for the simple things, like Cigarettes & Coffee, it's original and normal at the same time. The writing is what I think gets me the most, and I love the detail that he puts into the little things. Vigo and Svankmajer are great, and I understand if their kind of stuff is your cup of tea and I respect that, they have good quality. :)
@Rowland LoL what a stretch.
Albert from twin peaks!
The 90s loved Diner scenes. Also, I think this might be the lowest quality footage I've ever seen.
Really nice short film for such a young director.
I feel like smoking a cigarette and drinking coffee from watching this slice of life
That's exactly what I just did while watching this lol
They're smoking Kool, the same brand Freddie Quell and Dodd were smoking in The Master. I guess that's a PTA favorite.
minored360 Camel is actually his brand, see a pack in almost all the behind-the-scenes shots he's in.
Ice Ice Booey not his cigarette of choice anymore. Yellow American spirits
Heard in an Inherent Vice interview from the man himself, that his favorite nowadays are Yellow American Spirits.
Ahh minty flavour 😋
He smokes American Spirits Yellow same as Joaquin
Glad to see his EAR still there from Resevoir Dogs
"You don't have instant coffee? Who doesn't have instant coffee? You buy a jar of Folger's instant coffee, you put it in the cupboard, you forget about it. Then later on when you need it, it's there, it lasts forever. It's freeze-dried. Freeze-dried crystals."
Yes!!!! I quote that out loud all the time ahahaha
darkknight07100 what is that from?
Paul Duna Seinfeld
Phillip Baker Hall played Joe Bookman, the Library cop.
Fabisch Factor Relax, joy boy.
Exquisite writing. Genius. How it was revealed, the dollar bill. Brilliant!
was the couple fighting in the diner separate or was that them earlier? or somehow both?
diner scenes like tarantino, and kirk baltz in it. the unfortunate cop in reservoir dogs. my 2 favorite directors. thanks for posting.
When the moon was full and the dogs were barking - Typical PTA greatness !!
Only PTA can tell 3 stories in a short and connect them. Genius.
idk Larry David did it just fine
oh how i wish this was on blu-ray
+2
This feels like an extension of the Twin Peaks Universe somehow 😅
i wish we had a HD version available to watch
I honestly think PTA should remake this in 2020 I’d literally pay for it
ya la hizo es magnolia pa
Very interesting, good dialogue as well.
RIP Phillip Baker Hall and RIP Miguel Ferrer.
Both are talentless ass clowns
Thanks for uploading this! Made me wanna watch "Hard Eight! again.
This is fantastic. Thank you very much.
Thanks for this post!
Its so good its almost like he's toying with us
Best quality I've found yet, great upload.
Thank you soo much for this.
PTA's tracking shots only evolved from here!
Very impressive! I love hard eight and many moments and styles are recognizable.
It’s like breakfast restaurant scene in “pulp fiction “ pumpkin and honey bunny in table and Vincent and jules in another table
For sure. Zed from pulp fiction and Marvin the cop that had his ear cut off in reservoir dogs were both in this. Tarantino definitely saw and was influenced by this
You don't know what you're talking about. PT met Philip Baker Hall when he was a PA on a set. Almost anybody can get a PA gig - they are low pay, grunt work positions. Hall was impressed with Anderson and read the script for this and wanted to be involved. Simple as that. This story is covered in PBH's Random Roles interview on The Onion's AV Club site.
amazing! Thanks for posting.
The old man is Mr. Bookman the library cop on Seinfeld
I forgot the bad quality and i kept watching it so its a good movie
This is the best short film ever made!
I saw Coffee and Cigarettes. Didn't know there was a Cigarettes and Coffee.
Very interesting short. I admire Paul Thomas Anderson's work
awesome! loved it, thanks for the upload! :)
amazing!
Paul Thomas Anderson is a genius!
Thanks Thom keep up the good work on youtube and in radiohead
thank you
this is so good
thanks, Thom Yorke!
The dawn of a legend
thank you so much for posting this !!!
this was incredible
Amazing!
Defiantly got some "Hard Eight" vibes from this.
He really grew after this
And one of my favorite film directors or one of many film directors
That is so good.
This guy, he slashes my face AND HE CUTS MY FUCKING EAR OFF...
Stuck in the middle with you
Tightly packed story telling
Similarly, John Singleton met Lawrence Fishburne on "Pee Wee's Playhouse." Singleton was a Page (TV show version of a PA) and Fishburne was Cowboy Curtis. Singleton said that when he got his big break he was going to put Fishburne in his films.
Hard 8 brought me here
Same. Just watched it again on my Roku. Looked up the film on Wikipedia to see if maybe I'd missed the reason Sydney killed John's father and noticed hard 8 was based on this short. There's also an early version if Boogie Nights Anderson made as a high school kid. Edited with 2 VCRs, very DIY. Boogie Nights us still one of my favorite films ever. Damn though, he crushed it with his first two films, Hard 8 then Boogie Nights. His 2 best, IMO, among an impressive group of great films he's made. I still wonder how he managed to get such an unbelievably great cast in his first real outing. Hard 8 was filled with great performances from great actors. It's one if those movies that I love sending anyone that had it seen it to watch. I'm amazed it hasn't found a much larger audience. It's one of my number one films I'd love to see on the big screen. Just about as perfect as a film can be and, as always IMO, ranks among the greatest gritty noir crime films ever. And, absolutely one of the most under watched compared to it's quality films ever.
That usually brings me to pornhub. Stoke that joke from Samuel Jacksons character in hard 8
Great film
THANK YOU!
adds to the whole thing
Ok people. Lets play spot the Tarantino reference!
1. This was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, who is friends with Quentin Tarantino.
2. The main character of "Douglas" is played by Kirk Baltz, who starred as Marvin Nash, the cop who got his ear cut off in "Reservoir Dogs"
3. At the end of this Bill lifts up the car trunk to see Stevie. A year earlier in "Reservoir Dogs", Tarantino invented the camera angle which was used which is known as a "trunk shot". Its taken from the point of view of the car trunk looking at the person lifting it at a low angle.
4. Wierdly enough, Kirk Baltz' "Reservoir Dogs" character is first seen in a car trunk being opened by Mr Blond. (This scene also used the trunk shot. Watch the scene from "Dogs" & this & u will see that its in perfect sync.Guy walking out to car, looks around, then opens trunk & we see a trunk shot, then a close up of the eyes of the victim in the car.)
5. Both this & "Pulp Fiction" & "Reservoir Dogs" have pivotal scenes (with brilliant dialouge) taking place in a diner.
6. NON LINEAR- FLASHBACKS
7. Suits & sunglasses.
:)
Yeah and if you go back even further, Tarantino took his cue from the esteemed Japanese classic Lady Snowblood from 1973 (A film I highly recommend btw). Which the shot in there isn't from a trunk, but the perspective of the characters + framing is nearly identical.
Dylan Thrillmour tarantino did NOT invent the trunk shot. He just perfected it
Dylan Thrillmour the couple in the diner resemble the couple at the beginning of pulp fiction where they discuss to rob the dinner
Holy shit, that was powerful...
drinking coffee and smokin cigarettes watching a movie about drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes :D
Goddamn it if this ain't one of the best shorts ever
Hey that's the cop from reservoir dogs, how the hell did he grow an ear back???!?!??
Which guy?
Jose Martin the main character
Oh ok lol, well then he hasn't lost it yet.. He'll lose it in 4 yrs haha
Jose Martin No u were right 1st time. He lost the ear in 92, this is 93
Mason Brown 8ï
precursor to Hard Eight
This film was supposedly shot on some nice, expensive panavision camera... so What happened to the footage? Why does it look this way?
its a bootleg VHS taken off the film reel, a telecine. Its actually an early generation of the tape. It was never released outside the short film circuit for viewing.
Thanks for taking the time to clue in a novice.
Compare this masterful shot]rt to the crap Sundance had this year in their short film line-up, you'd think people forgot how to tell a traditional narrative story that made sense.
From what i've heard Sundance in the 90's was much more about quality, and it somehow morphed into who the producers know in the selection committee in order to get your film screened there.
fresh
My question is, where did Thom Yorke get this short film on video? Did he buy it? Did PTA give it to him? Did he steal it from where else? What was the form of piracy back in the mid 90s? Is Thom Yorke a wizard?
Next question: are you watching this legally or are you as responsible and guilty!?
Sensacional!!
Infelizmente não tem legendas em português
wow, this is pretty good.
Privileged to see it
Just like we wait for the fire to grow big and die down
The film that started it all.
I think was good, but does anyone think it was over written? Marvin from Resevoir Dogs can pull it off with Philip Baker Hall, but the married couple can´t.
A little bit, the dialogue doesn't flow quite as well as it does in his later films but you can still see the potential
They were there to add a more sane and normal dynamic when compared to 'Marvin's marriage. I think that is established when he looks at them kissing and I think that was an important shot so as to make him realise what his decision has caused him. I think the couple's dialogue is important to take the audience out of the main storyline because then they will want to come back to it even more. I know I sound like stoner and I apologise
@@mayankshukla1860 ^this 100%
This is the Class of PTA!
Funny I see this now when PTA I hear is in my hometown shooting a flick with Benicio del Toro and Leonardo Dicaprio!
I've always thought that
Very clever.
YOoooooo, is that fucking Marvin Nash from reservoir dogs?
Nick Rodriguez exactly what I was thinking
+KuspeMusic ya i instantly thought that too
+Nick Rodriguez It is. Actor's name is Kirk Baltz. He was a co-producer on the film too. Helped it getting financed.
holy fuck this is awesome.
It's the library cop on Seinfeld
Anyone know who is responsible for the end music?
11/10 no cap
Miguel Ferrer is the best. RIP.
Lulz at Thom Yorke posting PTA videos. We want another radiohead album.
thanks casey capozzi for indirectly making this possible
I do like to think that this takes place before reservoir dogs and the guy is the cop that gets he’s ear cut and it’s like karma for what he did to his wife and friend
Can I get it on DVD ? this is amazing.
Just wondering. Doesn't the music at the end resemble Radiohead's Treefingers? Thom Yorke?
Thom would of only been 25 at this point. They’d released their debut album the same year.
It's synth ambient music, Radiohead didn't invent it.
@@Guadeloop ^this
Exactly. And even in the case of Duncan Jones, at least he did something with his wealth. At least he did something productive and creative.
Wonder how this would be if Philip Seymour Hoffman was in this short.
Has the quality always looked like this? I ask because there’s some really grainy clips in my first short film so I’m looking to make myself feel better. 😂
Apparently this was shot with film. It should look the way hard Eight does. But this was recorded on a vhs so it has that crappy look
All I saw was Marlboro Reds