Why the Rational Believe the Irrational (Michael Shermer)

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  • @mattm6580
    @mattm6580 Před rokem +20

    Ill be getting it. Problem is the people who need to read this book the most wont. They now think Micheal is in on 'it'. The danger and appeal of conspiracy theories is that they validate the believers world view regarding who's good, who's bad, who's the villian and who's the victim (always themsleves).

    • @williamrunner6718
      @williamrunner6718 Před rokem +2

      💯

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater Před rokem

      How do you prove or disprove a conspiracy? What if the conspiracy is going to kill you like Putin invading Ukraine? It's called using the best available evidence and acting in your best interests.

    • @prschuster
      @prschuster Před rokem +1

      That's always the problem.

    • @ericsierra-franco7802
      @ericsierra-franco7802 Před rokem +1

      No they won't be reading it because they are so deeply deluded that they believe they really know the "truth" and everyone else is a gullible dupe.

    • @bryandraughn9830
      @bryandraughn9830 Před rokem

      They don't need to read any books because they already know everything.
      I really wonder about the effectiveness of material that exposes pseudo-conspiracy-anti-science.......stuff.
      If someone is really interested in learning they would be learning.

  • @merlepatterson
    @merlepatterson Před rokem +10

    One could could also have misguided or ideological reasons for dismissing conspiracy theories which have a foundation in reasonability as well? Could be for political alignment rationales? Could be for religious (anti-religious) reasoning? There are many subjective variables which go into both creating and dismissing conspiracy theories.

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem

      Generally the more complex and less probable option is more easily dismissed in either case.

    • @merlepatterson
      @merlepatterson Před rokem

      @@kencreten7308 Probability factors must also be objectively weighted against ideologically and politically subjective variables. Just because one might claim a conspiracy theory is true, doesn't mean the one who claims it's not has any greater inferential potential to dismiss it outright if Occam's principles are evenly applied to both sides. As the saying goes, "Absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence".

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem

      @@merlepatterson Yes. That's what I'm saying. The more simple option is generally preferred. I don't understand your first sentence. And that's ok.

    • @philosopher2king
      @philosopher2king Před 8 měsíci

      IME, the more audacious the claims for the conspiracy theories, thus less proof is possible, the more people will believe them. That whole thing from Hitler about how people more will believe bigger lies than small ones, is true.

    • @merlepatterson
      @merlepatterson Před 8 měsíci

      @@philosopher2king Though "audaciousness" doesn't necessarily parallel "complexity" of the claim. "Hitler slaughtered the Jews by the millions" is an audacious statement, though it isn't complex in nature. You drive to the sites of the concentration camps and all of the evidence you need is in plain sight. No real complexity, but a ton of audacity. Conspiracies can come in much the same form.

  • @nedbarry4615
    @nedbarry4615 Před rokem +3

    Finally, Michael Shermer has a new book.😃

  • @jeffersonianideal
    @jeffersonianideal Před rokem +5

    One of the most sensibly straightforward observations about believing in controversial machinations was made by Libertarian Alliance founder Chris Tame. Mr. Tame said, "I am not interested in conspiracy theories. I am interested in the *facts* of conspiracies."

  • @BeammeupSpotty
    @BeammeupSpotty Před rokem +3

    Nice!!!! Thanks for putting it together!!!

  • @jeffersonianideal
    @jeffersonianideal Před rokem +5

    The antidote to groundless conspiracy beliefs is the Socratic method.

    • @stewartquark1661
      @stewartquark1661 Před rokem

      I'm currently involved in a certain situation....wouldn't exactly call it a conspiracy theory but it is different, very very different

    • @jeffersonianideal
      @jeffersonianideal Před rokem

      @@stewartquark1661
      Your comment requires details.

  • @tipple58
    @tipple58 Před rokem +6

    Very interesting. The book's now on my to-buy list.

  • @nikolaosdimitriadis15
    @nikolaosdimitriadis15 Před rokem +2

    Congrats!! Added to my reading list! All the best

  • @NeilRieck
    @NeilRieck Před rokem +1

    Here is my two cents worth: (1) Humans have not changed much over the last 70,000 years when fears about threats from the tribe over the hill were only seconded to fears from threats within our tribe. We certainly didn't think that our campfire might contribute to any existential threat. (2) But now we cave people use smart phones, smart televisions, computers and the (anti?) social media layer of the internet to propagate our fears to others. We collectively think we're so damned smart for developing this technology while ignoring the fact that it was developed by a very tiny number of us.

    • @roberthak3695
      @roberthak3695 Před rokem

      Bro, those who rule you know this better than you know. lmao

  • @jeffersonianideal
    @jeffersonianideal Před rokem +3

    9:09
    Bonus chapter: How to Make Conspiracists Comfortable at Parties.

  • @SixthMassExtinction
    @SixthMassExtinction Před rokem +2

    Sounds great. Will have to check it out. I especially like the last chapter idea, as I often struggle knowing what to say to those that believe in conspiracy theories. I've had many a conversations with people regarding their beliefs. A few more new tools for my Conspiracy Conversation Toolbox (CCT), may be helpful. Thanks.

  • @stephenmcgrail7661
    @stephenmcgrail7661 Před rokem +2

    Before I buy this book I'd like to know how much your theory/ideas about why rational human beings might believe such things may have evolved since your first book? If your ideas are largely the same then why buy the new book...

    • @stephenmcgrail7661
      @stephenmcgrail7661 Před rokem

      I'm hearing very similar evolutionary psychology themes, along with some social psychological ideas (which are somewhat new themes) and cognitive psychology theories

    • @Poecilia1963
      @Poecilia1963 Před rokem

      @@stephenmcgrail7661 I would assume that the *reasons* rational people believe weird things hasn't changed much since 1997, but a new book, with fresher examples and since the advent of social media, will likely reach a new audience who might not pick up the older book. I'll get it just because he's a good writer and I like reading his work 🙂

  • @prschuster
    @prschuster Před rokem +1

    There is a general distrust of authority, which is understandable regarding political leaders and profit hungry corporations. The problem occurs when legitimate authorities, like the scientific community, are blindly accused of grift. Climate change denial, anti-vaxxers, creationism and claims of a stolen election are especially irritating to me. My rule of thumb is to be smart about what authorities are credible, and how to tell whether politics, religion or economics skew the reliability of these authorities. With creationists, it's religion; with anti-vaxxers it's the irrational assumption that all immunologists in the CDC are under the thumb of Big Pharma; with climate change it's the false belief that climate science is controlled by a liberal agenda (as if the petroleum industry is without culpability). Then there is the obvious political affiliation of the stolen election conspiracy.

  • @lustforlow-end6022
    @lustforlow-end6022 Před rokem +1

    Hello Michael, I love your videos 👍

  • @jankidwell3447
    @jankidwell3447 Před rokem

    Very timely topic. I'm recommending it to my Book Club in Pasadena. Also, my Library.

  • @kencreten7308
    @kencreten7308 Před rokem +2

    Purchased! But, I have to ask, how do we know you really wrote the book, and not a secret, lurking, opaque, international, misanthropic cabal of ne'er-do-wells?

    • @prschuster
      @prschuster Před rokem +1

      You're onto him. I've been thinking the same thing. Do you think it's a ... a ... conspiracy ...

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem

      @@prschuster Yesssss. Well, maybe at least a script for a bad spy movie.

  • @luanbabuza2280
    @luanbabuza2280 Před rokem +1

    When will it be published in Brazil?

  • @Wyliecoy0te
    @Wyliecoy0te Před rokem +1

    Is the book on audible?

    • @Wyliecoy0te
      @Wyliecoy0te Před rokem

      I found it. Looks like it just went up

  • @NeilRieck
    @NeilRieck Před rokem +1

    If you enjoyed this podcast then you might also enjoy this Christopher Hitchens video at "Talks at Google"
    czcams.com/video/sD0B-X9LJjs/video.html

  • @freddylubin
    @freddylubin Před rokem

    "Where did you read that?"-----> "You're in on it."

  • @science212
    @science212 Před rokem

    Shermer is a great rational man.

  • @nickf.7304
    @nickf.7304 Před rokem +2

    Go Skeptic!

  • @neilcates3499
    @neilcates3499 Před rokem

    I was a little disappointed because I thought you were going to interview the author of this book.

  • @enisten
    @enisten Před rokem +1

    Because they're not rational! LOL

  • @JamesRichardWiley
    @JamesRichardWiley Před rokem

    Whatever offers you whatever you want - you will accept it - reasonable or not.

  • @bon12121
    @bon12121 Před rokem +1

    I'm trying to understand why some credible people believed in the Ivermectin research. I don't know enough about methodology or the history of the authors.

  • @patrickl6932
    @patrickl6932 Před rokem +4

    Yes! Fantastic episode. I’ve been a fan for years. Never skip your books.
    BTW Nobody was charged with insurrection. So…technically not an insurrection

    • @empressoftheknownuniverse
      @empressoftheknownuniverse Před rokem +1

      Boo! Charles Manson was never charged with being a jerkface...
      Still, you are technically correct. 🤓

    • @billvegas8146
      @billvegas8146 Před rokem +2

      OJ was found not guilty so technically not a murderer.

  • @Brooke95482
    @Brooke95482 Před rokem +2

    US Patents always come out on a Tuesday. It's a way to check if the patent number if valid.

  • @bryandraughn9830
    @bryandraughn9830 Před rokem

    I wish it was culturally prioritized that individuals would learn about how to evaluate information. It seems like people are convinced that they are born with these skills and that no more effective methods have ever been constructed. If the individual doesn't bother to learn these skills they will continue to believe whatever is thrown at them. It's frustrating to say the least.

  • @ShadowGirl-
    @ShadowGirl- Před rokem

    Is this about Michael Shermer? He tried to disprove vedic astrology, and it disproved him, but he continued to irrationally throw it away. :P

  • @greenblue6935
    @greenblue6935 Před rokem +3

    On the plus side of being a conspiracy theorist is no myocarditis .

  • @archaicsage4803
    @archaicsage4803 Před rokem +1

    Because they are mostly true, except the ones that are intentionally fake. Accepting the obvious patterns as they are presented, is not irrational... Just like irrational numbers are not actually irrational, they are infinitely fractal.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem +3

      Wrong. What you think are obvious patterns are usually not. PS Irrational numbers are not “infinitely fractal”. Fractals are something different.
      You may benefit from his book.

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater Před rokem +1

      @@karagi101 It depends on how much of a threat the conspiracy poses to your life. The Ukrainians that predicted Putin's invasion got out of the way and survived. Powerlessness causes the average person to condemn or misunderstand conspiracies that are a serious threat.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem

      @@tuckerbugeater The US had the intelligence and warned Ukraine about Russia’s invasion. Their leaders didn’t want to believe the evidence.

    • @mtslyh
      @mtslyh Před rokem +1

      @@tuckerbugeater There is a difference between a conspiracy and a rumor. Putin's invasion was not a conspiracy theory.

  • @eximusic
    @eximusic Před rokem

    I know it's a popular meme now, but who says they're rational? That would need to be established first.

  • @kevincasson9848
    @kevincasson9848 Před rokem

    If a Comspriracy Theorist, can be defined as a theory that can challenge the Governments' narrative, then i am pround to be labbled as a Conspricacy Theorist!...... David Icke has been proven right time and time again!!

    • @cs.1762
      @cs.1762 Před 6 měsíci

      That moron believes in lizard people run things, so he's into lunacy right out of the gate.

  • @jonathanvelasquez1325
    @jonathanvelasquez1325 Před rokem +3

    How embarrassing my people have become. The world is laughing at us.

    • @mrpopo8298
      @mrpopo8298 Před rokem +1

      My country is just as bad. We have David Icke!

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem +2

      The irrationality virus has spread throughout the world. Although the U.S. is a leader.

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem +2

      It's worse than that. Almost no one cares.

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater Před rokem

      @@karagi101 Just like Fauci's bioweapon.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem +2

      @@tuckerbugeater Get help soon.

  • @whiskersmcmeow6224
    @whiskersmcmeow6224 Před rokem +2

    Don’t do the dmt plz. Your brain will change

  • @ReallyFarFarAway
    @ReallyFarFarAway Před rokem +2

    - A show interviewing yourself .. ?!?

  • @defenderofwisdom
    @defenderofwisdom Před rokem +1

    You're a Martian!

  • @williamrunner6718
    @williamrunner6718 Před rokem

    I'll be picking It up

  • @RickClassico
    @RickClassico Před rokem

    annndddd......on the buy list!

  • @thecollegedean
    @thecollegedean Před rokem

    So fascinating how one can dismiss with a proverbial sweep of the hand... So many suspicious eye witness deaths on major criminal conspiracies... Please address those Michael and I might change my mind.

  • @spasecookee
    @spasecookee Před rokem +2

    The red line on the cover looks like the path of the "magic bullet." Confirmed, Shermer was on the grassy knoll.

  • @paulsmashupchannel1442
    @paulsmashupchannel1442 Před rokem +8

    To be followed by- Official Narrative Addicts: Why the Rational Believe Everything They Are Told and Find Those Who Question Upsetting

    • @tonyburton419
      @tonyburton419 Před rokem

      @@williamrunner6718 😂 lm not.

    • @uchicha666
      @uchicha666 Před rokem +4

      Followed by: why truthers keep twisting the logical explanations upside down by saying that others believe everything they're told.

  • @thereligionofrationality8257

    Minds are not rational. They are flesh and blood. IDEAS are either rational or irrational.

    • @thereligionofrationality8257
      @thereligionofrationality8257 Před rokem

      @@williamrunner6718 Thinking, reacting to stimuli and maintaining homeostasis are (some of) the actions of the brain. Mind is not an action. I did leave out some qualifiers however; a mind has to be a living, functioning brain. The fact that we can semantically separate an object from its supposed "essence" doesn't make them different. There is no such thing as a mind absent a brain (or none that we've ever discovered, in any case). I have no idea what you mean by ideas being physical.

    • @williamrunner6718
      @williamrunner6718 Před rokem +1

      @@thereligionofrationality8257 Ideas are not physical. They are conceptual. As far as mind is what the brain does, so it is an action of the brain. As you said, there is no mind absent a brain. Mind is a concept not an object. Objects are that which have shape and concepts are a relation of objects. Objects are pointed to and can be drawn. Concepts can never move or be moved. To treat a concept like an object is fallacy of reification. Not sure if you think mind is a synonym of brain? All concepts are defined. What is your objective definition for MIND?

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem

      @@williamrunner6718 You don't know that. You do not know that "ideas are not physical." Because Neurology and other Sciences are still working on that.

  • @VladyslavKL
    @VladyslavKL Před rokem

    🕊

  • @aminomar7890
    @aminomar7890 Před rokem +1

    Anything doesn’t suit the masters and their servants is a conspiracy!
    usually the servants are more active than their masters just to please them.
    it is the right of all people to question, wonder,…. etc
    wrong or right it is their own problem (freedom of speech)

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem +3

      You really need this book.

    • @prschuster
      @prschuster Před rokem

      There's a conspiracy by the peasants to overthrow the nobles. Don't go near any pitch forks and don't tell anyone.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem

      @@Shaitana-yy9el So are conspiracies. But people like you think there are conspiracies where there are none.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem

      @@Shaitana-yy9el Not hate. Feel sorry for people who’s reasoning ability is so defective that they easily fall prey to conspiracy theories.

  • @beritbranch2436
    @beritbranch2436 Před rokem

    breazyness?

  • @thefishinthemirage
    @thefishinthemirage Před rokem

    GWB said it best: Fool me once…ahh…um….ahh…I won’t get fooled again

  • @guillermoelnino
    @guillermoelnino Před rokem +1

    Translation: I don't like that some people aren't falling for my b ulls hit.

  • @ChrisGerstle
    @ChrisGerstle Před rokem

    Insurrection!?! Good grief, if that's how you start your book, I'll be passing
    And the fact you fell for the sham hearings, ugh

  • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104

    Shermer is the best lizard.

  • @gmotionedc5412
    @gmotionedc5412 Před rokem +1

    Listen my brother man if you think the other party who loves power above all else would not have done anything to win the 2020 then I wish I believed in the tooth fairy too but I don’t. Some things are so clear it’s blinding.

    • @gmotionedc5412
      @gmotionedc5412 Před rokem

      @@degaussingatmosphericcharg575 oh I always believe what the media and main stream media tell me!! They’re not owned by the democrats at all are they??? The head of every media corporation is not a flaming liberal at all?? Your right. Trump lost fair and square and the democrats are as innocent as sweet angles who just got their wings!! Goddamn I love this country!!! Let freedom ring!!!🍺🥳🥳🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @h0ll0wm9n
    @h0ll0wm9n Před rokem

    Nicely reported, Dr Shermer! You're a bit out-of-phase, but we get the message ;)

  • @tonymoto1188
    @tonymoto1188 Před rokem

    When's the movie version coming out?

  • @granadosable
    @granadosable Před rokem

    Shermer's book is just an obvious attempt to cover up the actual truth.

  • @matterasmachine
    @matterasmachine Před rokem +1

    Any idea is irrational. Progress consists of irrational idea and rational experiment. No irrationality - no progress. Just like in evolution. No random changes - no evolution.

    • @mattm6580
      @mattm6580 Před rokem +3

      You can make progress without lies. Lies aren't necessary. For anything.

    • @matterasmachine
      @matterasmachine Před rokem

      @@mattm6580 but you don’t know what is lie and what is not. Is Big Bang lie? Yes, it is. But it’s truth now. You ca not know when you get an idea, if it’s truth or not. And you can not know how much time needed to check that. If chess players used only one step combinations, they would always loose to those who can calculate several steps ahead. And when you request evidence on every step, you can not use several steps combinations.

    • @karagi101
      @karagi101 Před rokem +2

      Progress is based on what’s already known. The rational. One takes what’s already known and then delves beyond the known into the unknown.

    • @matterasmachine
      @matterasmachine Před rokem

      @@karagi101 Bullshit. If it's already known then it's not progress. No, it's irrational

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem +2

      @@matterasmachine You're making apples/oranges sauce.

  • @ssg3219
    @ssg3219 Před rokem +2

    So, conspiracy theorist Michael Shermer wants to lecture us about conspiracy theories. No thanks.

  • @jspr79
    @jspr79 Před rokem +2

    People conspire

    • @kencreten7308
      @kencreten7308 Před rokem

      Life is full of grey.

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater Před rokem

      @@williamrunner6718 You need less evidence the more a conspiracy is a threat to your life. You know, Fauci funding coronavirus bioweapons in China and the US. Most Americans believe c0vid was a lab accident or the CCP intentionally release to damage the world's economy. How do we know either of these stories is true?