I feel bad for Bob. Soon as Silas asks him if he thinks his life is worth sparing, he just stutters. Silas answered Bob's question with a question, and Bob either didn't have an answer, or knew the answer and didn't like it. He clearly didn't think his life was worth sparing because he regretted so much, and at the age of 73, he had so little time left. To me that's more tragic than accomplishing revenge and still feeling empty.
I prefer the redemption ending, since throughout the story, and especially right in the last levels, there's a theme of "becoming the devil that you hunt" and letting go of your old petty hatred. Silas becomes an exceptionally great killer through the 40 years, dispatching all who stand against him. But despite only killing the outlaws, and hurting no civilians, his bloodlust might have been corrupting him. In fact, he mentions how his thirst for vengeance might have turned him into something worse than the men he was after, and the indian Grey wolf also warns him of this. Finally, when Bob is finally found, he is no longer the man from before, living a law-abiding life as a bartender. He also genuinely regrets his past. If you kill him, Silas is asked what he will do now, and he says it doesn't matter, since revenge won't bring his family back, nor did it seem to actually satisfy him. But by redeeming Bob, it seems the pain from the past has subsided, and Silas wins over his daemons! And finally, the "I won't have it said I left you with nothing, Bob" while leaving behind the coin that "started it" is far more epic than some pistols... But that is my interpretation, I'm interested in hearing some constructive counter-arguements.
I honestly prefer the bad ending, it was ending I chose the first time round and again on PC version just now the second time round. Wanted to come on here to see the other ending. I'm a bit of a revenge rat really, I have a tendency to hold grudges (not to extremes though). And after hearing everything Silas had said throughout the game it only felt right to kill Bob anyway. Although if the same had happened to me and I was Silas' age at the time (65?) I would've probably chosen redemption. Ending was epic either way, it was the last thing I was expecting and the fact he was in the bar the whole time was awesome. It's the shortest CoJ game, but the best.
angusrokks1 Nice, there's some neat reasons to like the revenge ending! I on the other hand have a tendency to give everyone in the games a second chance (third time won't be coming), so that's also why I chose Redemption first. I don't think the Revenge ending isn't all that bad, but I really hoped he would do something bigger that would connect the ending with beginning, like for example throw the coin at the corpse while saying "left you with nothing" line, instead of merely giving guns while saying that. Thank you for your opinion, there truly are many ways to interpret this story. It's nice that you still consider what you would do if you were in that situation. Oh, and I was caught off guard by that twist too! It was both shocking and amazing, really!
yeah i think they did that on purpose. The moral of the game is, at least for me, is that in the end Revenge is entirely pointless. If you chose the Bad ending it becomes the first time YOU challenge someone to a fight. Not to mention all that happens is you shoot him and, at least for me, it feels very unsatisfying. The line at the end implicates that Silas believes he will go to hell. Since he says he will never again walk with his brothers. Also, this is just a side bit, a few months ago i went to the Little children's theater.(for the record I'm a teenager) and saw they play Muwindo. It was a great story from africa and i highly advise seeing it if you get the chance. It tells the story of a boy who is quite literally born a grown up with the mind like that of a child. His cruel father though tries to have him killed and in the process kills his wife. Muwindo grows up and seeks revenge on his father, he is about to kill his father and take his revenge when his friends, a spider cricket, and a hedge hog, try and talk him down. SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT He finally relents when the ghost of his mother comes to him in the form of the golden hawk. This causes him to renege and he forgives his father actions and the reunite.
Emmett Leone-Woods Those were exactly the same feelings and thoughts I had when watching the endings. Though I didn't notice that "us challenging him" detail or "going to hell" implication. Good eyes! Muwindo sounds like a nice play, but unfortunately I doubt it's going to be shown near where I live, so I checked the spoilers. A very cute ending, it seems. :3 Thanks for the suggestion!
I always pick the good endings in things like these. But as I was about to pick redemption, I thought about my brother, and what I would do if he were killed. I realized that Bob may have turned his life around, but he never saw justice for the evils he did. I find it hard to believe that he did a complete 180. If he truly regretted his past as much as he SHOULD, he would have probably taken his own life or turned himself in. But nope... No punishment for him. So yea, he had to die, for justice.
Revenge and Justice are not one and the same...and that's kinda the point of redemption living a life past your mistakes, forgiving others if they try to better themselves or the whole world will end up blind
How man men with families did Silas put in the ground just to get to Bob? Killing him isn't justice, and it didn't make Silas happy,his brothers are still dead and he's now a wanted man. The best form of revenge is to live a happy and fulfilling life, and once Silas puts that behind him he can msybe finally start doing that.
I don't know why people are arguing so much. Both endings are fine. I do think the revenge ending suits it better, but mainly because I think it was simply done a bit better. Whether you want to go by the logic of "well, he's killed hundreds of men, it's stupid for him to stop at the guy he really wants to kill" or the logic of "this way his life can finally have some meaning, by choosing the very difficult decision of redeeming himself without killing", one's not clearly better than the other. It's something that suits people differently, which is why you get to choose. I chose the revenge one, feel a little guilty for it, but it's perfectly understandable to go either way. Nothing wrong with the redemption ending or the revenge ending.
I always thought that revenge is this story was fighting because imagine trying to catch a man that keeps disappearing. Every time playing and he is not there. Bob's cowardice in this game is so annoying because it made me go through the annoyance of the game on hard. do you think I would want not want to kill him when the whole story is about killing him. One thing that would have been better is if bob was young and alive and a younger silas takes on a younger bob but silas protects the villagers and that wolf guy works with silas to take down bob and that indian tells him I won't let you become the demon and then silas and the wolf guy kill bob and his new gang together.
As fun as this game is, the message of it is so clear: Revenge won't bring your loved ones back, and it won't undo any wrongs that have been done to you in your life. Revenge is a deadly poison that hurts the carrier more than the people its inflicted upon.
@@bilgekagan7285 no, he isn’t. If you truly believe that, you missed the entire point of the ending. Silas was a man who spent his entire life chasing vengeance, seeking some sort of retribution for the death of his brothers. But.. choosing the vengeance ending shows that vengeance leaves you empty and hollow.... no better off or feeling than before you did it...... But.... If you choose to let go of that anger, that hatred, all of those horrible emotions that have torn his soul apart over the course of his life... he did end up with something, he ended up with peace. Able to walk away. More bloodshed would have solved, proved, and accomplished absolutely nothing.
@@jellidonut1238 I think you're wrong. I wish i can explain myself but my English is not that good :D. Silas sold his soul before found Ben. Let him to live or kill him doesn't matter. when he lives the bar he's the man with nothing. I hope i could explain.
Sairas Rahman yeah, I just finished the game for the first time and I just couldn’t go with the redemption ending, or the, “good” one which this video calls it for whatever reason. I’m usually one to go with the endings that are more positive In games, i only ever think to take the moral high ground. In this game though, redemption just seemed out of place. You shoot and kill tons of random people throughout, it doesn’t matter who they are they’re in your way and that’s all that matters. You level up to improve this and you get better as a killer just by getting better at the game. Why does the game only now ask you for something else. I think anything but revenge is silly, this guy also killed and killed, but you want to give him the chance to settle down? Why him over everyone else? I’m sure the 100s of other randos you killed wanted the same thing. I just think this redemption ending makes no sense story wise.
@@brendanspaulding7930 Silas realizing he's no better than Bob and realizing that he himself has a chance of redemption through Eisenhower "Well then you do it right then, son. Don't tear the world down out of spite like I did." It was never about Bob's redemption but his own. and If I want a full blown "Revenge is empty" ending. I'd just go with Read Dead. Granted I loved the revenge ending I just felt there's no where you could go with it, due to Silas not getting any younger, and Eisenhower being disillusioned.
Billy Bowyer I kind of fucked up my first sentence, I should’ve said that the gameplay doesn’t blend well with the story which is my main complaint, because the story itself is rather well told and I agree with all that you said. I’ve honestly given it more thought and have no put both endings in equal placement with the tone and message of the story and gameplay. But yeah thanks for the read!
It is widely assumed the "Spanish Coin" is a piece of the Gold of Juarez. How Ringo, Reed, and Bob got ahold of it is anyone's guess. The only other characters (Besides Cortes and his conquistadors) that had physically encountered the Gold of Juarez were Ray, Thomas, and William McCall, Jeremy Barnsby and his renegades, Marisa, Juarez and his bandits, Ben McCall, Eddie Guerra, Kim Evans, and several Mendoza Cartel footmen and Peacekeeper's International mercenaries.
This ending is the simply best ending I ever saw in my life with just one sentence... "I won't have it said that I left with you nothing, Bob." ....So deep, as the "old man" grow up to be bored with all that bloodshet he spilled as the end comes he drag himself back to the hands of redemption....SO GOOD man soooo goood.
You feel that way if your immature. You gain some years, you understand life and revenge a bit more clearly. A bullet or a coin. Lead and silver. Two ways to go about life and death. No point in more destruction if you can get the point across.
@@travismcnasty4239 yeah if someone did that to your family and changed your entire life for the worse, we would see how you manage to keep yourself "mature". And if you actually manage to, then you're no man at all. You're coward, hiding behind fancy words like redemption and maturity.
i chose redemption because silas scared the shit out of bob besides bob turned to a good guy o there is really no point in putting a hole in that old man
Other than the fact that he hung both of your brothers and you and stealing all of your stuff and turning you into a murderer. Other than that pfff, who cares.
Bob wanted to retire from this, every man should get a second chance, besides, what is the point in killing him? I'll quote Niko Bellic from GTA IV after killing Darko "then I looked at him and thought that nothing would change if I killed him, he would be just dead like everyone from the village" and "I feel empty", and if you choose Redemption; Bob would be hated by those in the bar if you don't kill him and you will be counted as a hero, you think about it.
Buckethead390 And Silas wasn't a murderer? And besides, Bob was tired of being a murderer and completely retired, he wanted to get away from the life, why wouldn't he get a second chance?
Because Bob WAS a murderer. I never said that Silas wasn't, but in that confrontation Silas clearly would have won. There are no second chances there, especially since Silas himself acknowledged that he was becoming a murderer himself halfwayish through the story and still continued to murder every person he came across. He probably could have stealthed through quite a bit of the story. Just because you stop murdering people does not change what you did or who you were or even possibly are. I feel awkward saying "murder" and "murderer" so many times, not because of what the words mean, but because the paragraph thing sounds weird.
"I won't have it said I left you with nothing, Bob" God that sounded so cool. He says it in the other ending, but it's not nearly as climactic or cool as it is here.
@Lightingale X Nightingal There is more: it's a coin from the cursed Juarez treasure (only thing in the game connecting this installment of the series to the rest of them, and, well, to the title), which implies it may bring Bob misfortune, like it did to everyone else.
+Mr Spinks guess I don't have the ability to do such thing hahaha, I just think about winning the duels, even a shot in the arm is completely awesome at this point :D
This is one of the best endings ever put into a video game. It ranks right up there alongside the "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time" ending and the "Witcher 3 + Ciri Becoming Empress + Yennefer" ending (the only ending in a video game that ever made me cry). I began to suspect Ben was Bob about mid-way through the plot line, but I loved the way they tied it together so well. Putting Dwight Eisenhower in there was absolute genius.
Personally, both endings are fitting to the narrative as a question posed through the story is "When is cold blooded revenged justifed, if it can be?" After playing through I felt redemption was the way I wanted to end it.
I actually like this ending especially with how it’s implied because of the actions and final act of Silas greaves Dwight.D Eisenhower becomes a better man, also the Bound in blood theme in the end.
Moral of the story is actually really good. Revenge won't bring your loved ones back to life,nor they would like it if they were alive. Such a great game. Underrated as hell.
I passed the game 3 times and after the first time I told myself I'm gonna spare him but when I get to the end I never do that, it's something stronger then my so I came here :)
...both endings are actually reasonable...with the revenge ending Silas has accomplished his life's goal cutting a bloody path through history all for the sake of killing three men, he killed at least 1000. Whereas with the redemption ending...his reasoning may not be simply that I had to know if you'd changed(although making himself sound deranged and such would certainly draw that out of many), but also that he's old...he's been fighting for so long that he's just tired of it all and so...
Really, it was too late for Bob to change. He already committed many evils and he pushed others to commit similar crimes. A bad guy of Bob's degree has to be put down. For the closure of those he hurt, vengeance for those he killed, and protection for those he may kill in the future. What makes Silas better, as I'm sure many of you will ask, is that Silas never hurt innocent people, whereas those he put down actively targeted the weak.
Yet in the, revenge, end Silas drew on Bob. Silas may have killed out laws, murderers, and bandits, but if he had just walked away Jim, and Ringo would still pay for their crimes.
A bit too cheery for my tastes. I could understand redemption if filled with threats, and despise... along the lines of "you are not worth it you piece of s--t". But the moral speech to the kid... nah. I am glad i choosed revenge, it showed Greaves exactly as i saw him during the game: no longer bloodthirsty, tired, but doing what he set up to do until the end. "Nothing personal Bob, it's just revenge".
Sparing Bob means every other person in the game killed by your hands died a needless death. One might argue that revenge is a waste of time so their deaths were needless, but I suppose we'd have to agree to disagree on that end. I like the idea of revenge when warranted. It doesn't bring back your loved ones, but it does bring back a sense of right to the world.
This ending makes no sense. So basically what you can get from this ending: You should kill a lot of people, angry at them cause of men who killed your brothers and then when you finally meet your brothers killers after killing so many people, you'll just let them go. So basically you're just insane mass murderer. God damnit this ending can't be more stupid for this game.
+Gravelord Nito Yea, at least this game lets you choose. Assassin's Creed 2 is the same stupid bullshit but you can't choose to kill the guy you spent your whole life looking for to kill. In this game, the redemption is handled more intelligently, as well.
I once told a kid filled with hate and anger to build his life up, do something decent with it instead of tearing down the world, like I did. Life imitates art.
Emmett Leone-Woods Choosing redemption in this game is totally stupid. Silas Greaves spent his whole life killing people, trying to find people who killed his brothers, and now when he finally killed two of them and found last Bob he should just let him live? There would be no point of his life then.
Why stop right before Bob? If Silas wants to quit killing he just found the last one. That's why I liked the revenge ending more. There's only one more to go... just shoot him and THEN do whatever "quitting" or ending the killing you had planned anyway. If he wanted to stop and let the past go that chance he left behind decades ago. Bob is the last one anyway. Nothing you do is going to bring back your loved ones but you knew that from the start as well.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know loss. All those years, it's like hanging on to a burning coal! It's easier to just just let it, it inspires more people too.
I sat for half an hour trying to decide between the two options and I finally went with revenge. It just seemed wrong to walk away after all that like leaving a circle half done. Also, having a brother myself, I thought, what if I was this guy? Yeah, revenge is the only one that made sense to me. You don't get to simply walk away from your past. If I was Silas, I'd be glad to finally be able to finish this chapter of my life and move on. Maybe marry, have kids and start farming or maybe even just keep on bounty hunting since I'm so good at it... It's not like he's suddenly the bad guy. Everyone he killed did the same or worse to other people and no one'll miss them. I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.
every human is different. it wouldn't eat up any and everyone that had to bear because of how some people are. i bet that out of all the people there at least 1 one person who could handle it, because that's who they are
First of all, I play COD sometimes. I'm not addicted to that game so don't group me with the "COD generation". Second, he was already turned into a killer. He sacrificed years of his life in the name of revenge. I can understand why you feel the redemption ending is better, but I prefer the revenge. It felt like Silas deserved his life goal after spending most of his life to accomplish this goal.
If anything, this is my personal BETTER ending since, though he wanted to kill Bob for vengeance, revenge does not bring back the dead. Since you killed a lot of men to get at this point. No matter what you say that its for justice, the fact is that you never thought what to do with Silas' life after IF he killed Bob. His main drive was revenge but what then, killing the three people you swore vengeance on won't bring peace to ones soul. All i'm saying is that to FORGIVE ones enemies can give some respite to ones person, since REVENGE never comes good out of it. Yes Silas never killed civilians yet thoughts of REVENGE constantly on his mind only poisons him (I know this since this is what i watch in Naruto that Sasuke was filled with revenge with his brother for killing his clan, he went so far to gain power for revenge is to join Orochimaru), so to me, Silas needs to forgive or just bury the Hatchet with Bob to end the path of vengeance, cause he'll just end up empty. Bob may have done things that made people killers like Silas but isn't it that Silas killed people too And to those who think that revenge is better since it fit with the Western theme, HELLO! The age of the Wild West ended in the 1900s
To quote Shakespeare: The quality of mercy is not strained; It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest; It blesseth him that gives and him that takes: 'Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes The throned monarch better than his crown: His sceptre shows the force of temporal power, The attribute to awe and majesty, Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings; But mercy is above this sceptred sway; It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings, It is an attribute to God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God's When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew, Though justice be thy plea, consider this, That, in the course of justice, none of us Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy; And that same prayer doth teach us all to render The deeds of mercy. To fight the feeling of revenge is to conquer the Evil in your own soul, and forgiveness for our enemies is what Jesus tells us to have. As Bob said, "I was a different man back then, drinking, if I could turn back the clock..." If you pick the revenge ending, you're not killing the man who killed your brothers. You're killing an old man who has sought to be rid of his horrid past. This is the best ending.
Rather than go in guns blazing he sits down to tell his story, perhaps just happy to get it out and see if he can simply just leave this one man be...before he goes off to die in peace, just done with it all.
I wanted to point something out here that everyone seems to be missing. If Silas so clearly wanted to redeem Bob, even after "turning him into a murderer (Quotations because this is obvious bullshit)" and killing his brother, why would Silas confront Bob in a bar and tell him that he was going to forgive him? You could say that it was to prevent Bob from hating himself based on his past (Which he already does considering the stuttering after Silas asked him if his life is worth sparing) but any somewhat smart person could tell him that this would be pointless and a waste of time and would change nothing about Bob's mentality. Bob would continue to have self-doubt and hate.
Buckethead390 I'm pretty sure Silas wanted Bob to know of the things he went through to scare him. Heck consider when he told everyone the tale of when he was hunting down the Apache leader and when the leader told him of the thing Silas will lose (his soul) if he did go through with gaining revenge. With Silas telling of the amount of people he's killed, the amount of danger even the natives saw him as. You could say he wanted to make Bob fear for his life, something Silas felt when he was about to die with his brothers. Silas must of seen that revenge isn't the answer, and heck even in the confrontation (the redemption route) he saw that Bob was the same like Silas now. Both were in different sides of the coin, but the same. The coin is what started it all, and Silas ended with the coin by not taking anymore lives his brothers wouldn't of wanted him to do.
Buckethead390 remember this. Throughout the game we aren't controlling Silas fully, were playing the tale he is telling everyone else. It is up to the player to believe what Silas is telling, is the truth, or a hoax. Play the other games to understand as well.
redemption may be the right thing to do but when i tore through all these bastards bandits on true west when i finally got to the choice i chose sweet sweet vengance on this mutherhubbin bob
I chose revenge, because the many people I had to kill to get to Bob couldn't have died for nothing for just one conversation, the goal was revenge and that goal was accomplished
And this is the ending that made Dwight Eisenhower an American President. The guy met a legend.
He was a shit president , but tbf most of American presidents were shit
@@comissar8953 STFU idiot
oh shit thats him wif
Eisenhower was also the supreme commander of Allied Expeditionary forces during WW2
More like two legends stumble into each other
Just finished and I chose revenge because I AINT LETTIN HIM GET AWAY WITH KILLIN MEH BROTHERS
same haha
Damn right!
Exactly. He will kill my brothers and destroy my entire life, and I will just let him walk because I'm the "bigger man"?
Screw that. And him.
"What's the point of walking down the path of revenge if you don't finish it?" Redemption? Silas is beyond redemption
@@dipanjanghosal1662 but that revenge ending, doesnt satisfy silas, and doesnt fill him, he seems more filled up and happier with redemption.
I feel bad for Bob. Soon as Silas asks him if he thinks his life is worth sparing, he just stutters. Silas answered Bob's question with a question, and Bob either didn't have an answer, or knew the answer and didn't like it. He clearly didn't think his life was worth sparing because he regretted so much, and at the age of 73, he had so little time left. To me that's more tragic than accomplishing revenge and still feeling empty.
I prefer the redemption ending, since throughout the story, and especially right in the last levels, there's a theme of "becoming the devil that you hunt" and letting go of your old petty hatred.
Silas becomes an exceptionally great killer through the 40 years, dispatching all who stand against him. But despite only killing the outlaws, and hurting no civilians, his bloodlust might have been corrupting him. In fact, he mentions how his thirst for vengeance might have turned him into something worse than the men he was after, and the indian Grey wolf also warns him of this.
Finally, when Bob is finally found, he is no longer the man from before, living a law-abiding life as a bartender. He also genuinely regrets his past. If you kill him, Silas is asked what he will do now, and he says it doesn't matter, since revenge won't bring his family back, nor did it seem to actually satisfy him. But by redeeming Bob, it seems the pain from the past has subsided, and Silas wins over his daemons!
And finally, the "I won't have it said I left you with nothing, Bob" while leaving behind the coin that "started it" is far more epic than some pistols...
But that is my interpretation, I'm interested in hearing some constructive counter-arguements.
I honestly prefer the bad ending, it was ending I chose the first time round and again on PC version just now the second time round. Wanted to come on here to see the other ending. I'm a bit of a revenge rat really, I have a tendency to hold grudges (not to extremes though). And after hearing everything Silas had said throughout the game it only felt right to kill Bob anyway. Although if the same had happened to me and I was Silas' age at the time (65?) I would've probably chosen redemption.
Ending was epic either way, it was the last thing I was expecting and the fact he was in the bar the whole time was awesome.
It's the shortest CoJ game, but the best.
angusrokks1 Nice, there's some neat reasons to like the revenge ending! I on the other hand have a tendency to give everyone in the games a second chance (third time won't be coming), so that's also why I chose Redemption first.
I don't think the Revenge ending isn't all that bad, but I really hoped he would do something bigger that would connect the ending with beginning, like for example throw the coin at the corpse while saying "left you with nothing" line, instead of merely giving guns while saying that.
Thank you for your opinion, there truly are many ways to interpret this story. It's nice that you still consider what you would do if you were in that situation.
Oh, and I was caught off guard by that twist too! It was both shocking and amazing, really!
yeah i think they did that on purpose. The moral of the game is, at least for me, is that in the end Revenge is entirely pointless. If you chose the Bad ending it becomes the first time YOU challenge someone to a fight. Not to mention all that happens is you shoot him and, at least for me, it feels very unsatisfying. The line at the end implicates that Silas believes he will go to hell. Since he says he will never again walk with his brothers.
Also, this is just a side bit, a few months ago i went to the Little children's theater.(for the record I'm a teenager) and saw they play Muwindo. It was a great story from africa and i highly advise seeing it if you get the chance.
It tells the story of a boy who is quite literally born a grown up with the mind like that of a child. His cruel father though tries to have him killed and in the process kills his wife. Muwindo grows up and seeks revenge on his father, he is about to kill his father and take his revenge when his friends, a spider cricket, and a hedge hog, try and talk him down.
SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT
He finally relents when the ghost of his mother comes to him in the form of the golden hawk. This causes him to renege and he forgives his father actions and the reunite.
Emmett Leone-Woods Those were exactly the same feelings and thoughts I had when watching the endings. Though I didn't notice that "us challenging him" detail or "going to hell" implication. Good eyes!
Muwindo sounds like a nice play, but unfortunately I doubt it's going to be shown near where I live, so I checked the spoilers. A very cute ending, it seems. :3 Thanks for the suggestion!
i dont know what sila think
for me after revenge i was empty , but Redemption fill
I always pick the good endings in things like these. But as I was about to pick redemption, I thought about my brother, and what I would do if he were killed. I realized that Bob may have turned his life around, but he never saw justice for the evils he did. I find it hard to believe that he did a complete 180. If he truly regretted his past as much as he SHOULD, he would have probably taken his own life or turned himself in. But nope... No punishment for him. So yea, he had to die, for justice.
Justice?! Was that what it was? Was that what this was all about?
+Michael W I got a headshot on Bob XD
He lives with it everyday.
Revenge and Justice are not one and the same...and that's kinda the point of redemption living a life past your mistakes, forgiving others if they try to better themselves or the whole world will end up blind
How man men with families did Silas put in the ground just to get to Bob? Killing him isn't justice, and it didn't make Silas happy,his brothers are still dead and he's now a wanted man. The best form of revenge is to live a happy and fulfilling life, and once Silas puts that behind him he can msybe finally start doing that.
I don't know why people are arguing so much. Both endings are fine. I do think the revenge ending suits it better, but mainly because I think it was simply done a bit better. Whether you want to go by the logic of "well, he's killed hundreds of men, it's stupid for him to stop at the guy he really wants to kill" or the logic of "this way his life can finally have some meaning, by choosing the very difficult decision of redeeming himself without killing", one's not clearly better than the other. It's something that suits people differently, which is why you get to choose. I chose the revenge one, feel a little guilty for it, but it's perfectly understandable to go either way. Nothing wrong with the redemption ending or the revenge ending.
I always thought that revenge is this story was fighting because imagine trying to catch a man that keeps disappearing. Every time playing and he is not there. Bob's cowardice in this game is so annoying because it made me go through the annoyance of the game on hard. do you think I would want not want to kill him when the whole story is about killing him. One thing that would have been better is if bob was young and alive and a younger silas takes on a younger bob but silas protects the villagers and that wolf guy works with silas to take down bob and that indian tells him I won't let you become the demon and then silas and the wolf guy kill bob and his new gang together.
@@abudorayakobu No, that wouldnt be better, it just sounds like a fantasy.
As fun as this game is, the message of it is so clear: Revenge won't bring your loved ones back, and it won't undo any wrongs that have been done to you in your life. Revenge is a deadly poison that hurts the carrier more than the people its inflicted upon.
+MrEraider60 yeah but revenge makes for better endings.
+jlindsa. Your opinion and that's respectable. I thought this one was much more beautiful.
+MrEraider60 Revenge is a dish best served cold. Despite this, I chose the revenge ending and I think the revenge ending is better.
Revenge is like a sweet cake. Wait too long and it will spoil. After a while it's better to just let go.
Honey is sweet too and doesn't spoil if properly stored.
How had I never heard of this game until now. It's a hidden gem.
I don't think only that ending was good. I think both endings were good. It depends from player.
morale choices
Yes, you are right. Silas is man with nothing in both endings.
@@bilgekagan7285 no, he isn’t.
If you truly believe that, you missed the entire point of the ending.
Silas was a man who spent his entire life chasing vengeance, seeking some sort of retribution for the death of his brothers.
But.. choosing the vengeance ending shows that vengeance leaves you empty and hollow.... no better off or feeling than before you did it......
But....
If you choose to let go of that anger, that hatred, all of those horrible emotions that have torn his soul apart over the course of his life...
he did end up with something, he ended up with peace. Able to walk away. More bloodshed would have solved, proved, and accomplished absolutely nothing.
@@jellidonut1238 I think you're wrong. I wish i can explain myself but my English is not that good :D. Silas sold his soul before found Ben. Let him to live or kill him doesn't matter. when he lives the bar he's the man with nothing. I hope i could explain.
I played through twice and did both endings, redemption first.
Oh I smell something fishy down here boi..
Now why would you do that?
oh hey how'd you get here
Killed hundreds in the game. What's another drop of water in the ocean?
Reformed or not, Bob paid for his actions in my ending.
Sairas Rahman yeah, I just finished the game for the first time and I just couldn’t go with the redemption ending, or the, “good” one which this video calls it for whatever reason. I’m usually one to go with the endings that are more positive In games, i only ever think to take the moral high ground. In this game though, redemption just seemed out of place. You shoot and kill tons of random people throughout, it doesn’t matter who they are they’re in your way and that’s all that matters. You level up to improve this and you get better as a killer just by getting better at the game. Why does the game only now ask you for something else. I think anything but revenge is silly, this guy also killed and killed, but you want to give him the chance to settle down? Why him over everyone else? I’m sure the 100s of other randos you killed wanted the same thing. I just think this redemption ending makes no sense story wise.
@@brendanspaulding7930 Silas realizing he's no better than Bob and realizing that he himself has a chance of redemption through Eisenhower "Well then you do it right then, son. Don't tear the world down out of spite like I did." It was never about Bob's redemption but his own. and If I want a full blown "Revenge is empty" ending. I'd just go with Read Dead. Granted I loved the revenge ending I just felt there's no where you could go with it, due to Silas not getting any younger, and Eisenhower being disillusioned.
Billy Bowyer I kind of fucked up my first sentence, I should’ve said that the gameplay doesn’t blend well with the story which is my main complaint, because the story itself is rather well told and I agree with all that you said. I’ve honestly given it more thought and have no put both endings in equal placement with the tone and message of the story and gameplay. But yeah thanks for the read!
@@noizewriter3324 actually Silas IS better than Bob. Silas did not hang a couple of innocent kids just because those kids won some money.
@@dipanjanghosal1662 Who knows what Silas did in the name or revenge...he's written using the unreliable narrator trope
I know people think revenge ending made more sense
but i alway prefer to finishing the game feeling good about myself.
after all bob leave the tabern.
no matter if you choose revenge or redemption, jack becomes the new bartender.
Revenge is a dish best served cold but sometimes it's got rotten. Redemption is a best ending.
It is widely assumed the "Spanish Coin" is a piece of the Gold of Juarez. How Ringo, Reed, and Bob got ahold of it is anyone's guess.
The only other characters (Besides Cortes and his conquistadors) that had physically encountered the Gold of Juarez were Ray, Thomas, and William McCall, Jeremy Barnsby and his renegades, Marisa, Juarez and his bandits, Ben McCall, Eddie Guerra, Kim Evans, and several Mendoza Cartel footmen and Peacekeeper's International mercenaries.
This ending is the simply best ending I ever saw in my life with just one sentence...
"I won't have it said that I left with you nothing, Bob."
....So deep, as the "old man" grow up to be bored with all that bloodshet he spilled as the end comes he drag himself back to the hands of redemption....SO GOOD man soooo goood.
He says the exact same thing before he guns him down too :^)
+DEEVIOUS1S Yea but the meaning of quote differs as I think this one is simply has more deep of a meaning for me.
I thought the revenge ending suited the game a bit more.
They are both good endings. But the retribution feels like a much better ending. Revenge is a lot more atmospheric and tense, with good voice acting.
You feel that way if your immature.
You gain some years, you understand life and revenge a bit more clearly.
A bullet or a coin. Lead and silver. Two ways to go about life and death. No point in more destruction if you can get the point across.
Ha u thought
@@travismcnasty4239 But mr.Travis, you forgot to read the little small letters in the contract.
He said he "Thought"
@@travismcnasty4239 yeah if someone did that to your family and changed your entire life for the worse, we would see how you manage to keep yourself "mature". And if you actually manage to, then you're no man at all. You're coward, hiding behind fancy words like redemption and maturity.
i chose redemption because silas scared the shit out of bob besides bob turned to a good guy o there is really no point in putting a hole in that old man
Other than the fact that he hung both of your brothers and you and stealing all of your stuff and turning you into a murderer. Other than that pfff, who cares.
Bob wanted to retire from this, every man should get a second chance, besides, what is the point in killing him? I'll quote Niko Bellic from GTA IV after killing Darko "then I looked at him and thought that nothing would change if I killed him, he would be just dead like everyone from the village" and "I feel empty", and if you choose Redemption; Bob would be hated by those in the bar if you don't kill him and you will be counted as a hero, you think about it.
Murderers deserve second chances? If you try to say this isn't what you meant or said, you would be wrong.
Buckethead390
And Silas wasn't a murderer?
And besides, Bob was tired of being a murderer and completely retired, he wanted to get away from the life, why wouldn't he get a second chance?
Because Bob WAS a murderer. I never said that Silas wasn't, but in that confrontation Silas clearly would have won. There are no second chances there, especially since Silas himself acknowledged that he was becoming a murderer himself halfwayish through the story and still continued to murder every person he came across. He probably could have stealthed through quite a bit of the story. Just because you stop murdering people does not change what you did or who you were or even possibly are.
I feel awkward saying "murder" and "murderer" so many times, not because of what the words mean, but because the paragraph thing sounds weird.
This was the ending I got, I loved how that kid turned out to be Dwight D. Eisenhower, one of America's greatest presidents!
i was about to hit revenge button then arthur morgan spoke me from heaven "REVENGE IS A FOOLS GAME BOAH" so here i am.
Man, like some of the things said in this ending should have been said in the revenge ending.
I choose revenge when I played, but after seeing this, I personally think the redemption ending fits the story better.
I agree
Revenge is what the game is all about.
Andres Gallego :) yup
Andres Gallego like how red dead redemption is about ... er.... redemption
+Ciaran Palmer Or being dead.
Blazing Gaming or reddemption
+Ciaran Palmer or red
"I won't have it said I left you with nothing, Bob"
God that sounded so cool. He says it in the other ending, but it's not nearly as climactic or cool as it is here.
@Lightingale X Nightingal There is more: it's a coin from the cursed Juarez treasure (only thing in the game connecting this installment of the series to the rest of them, and, well, to the title), which implies it may bring Bob misfortune, like it did to everyone else.
Im really glad I picked the other ending. Shot this son of a bitch right in the chest...
+Mr Spinks guess I don't have the ability to do such thing hahaha, I just think about winning the duels, even a shot in the arm is completely awesome at this point :D
+Mr Spinks I accidentally chose revenge, I missed my first shot, dodged his bullet and then popped a cap in his head.
Some Bitch *
The revenge ending was really epic, but I went with redemption, that is what that Indian was talking about, and Indians know their stuff.
0:34 You see, Ben, or should I say BOB, your past always catches up with you 2:29 I won’t have it said I left you with nothing, Bob..
I want more western games like this!!!!!
i played both endings a few times now and the redemption is the far more "epic" one.
How do you replay ending??? I cant seem to figure it out... cant select cinematic.
+Joshua Smith. I think he meant that he restarted the arcade to alternate between both endings.
UltimatexStealth no. i played it through three times.
Lord Descon. Wait, are you talking to me or Joshua Smith? Because what you said is what I said.
UltimatexStealth i don't know anymore... never mind
Best ending for me anyone else
Definitely!
[Insert Name] Me!
Such a good game, a hidden gem
This is one of the best endings ever put into a video game. It ranks right up there alongside the "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time" ending and the "Witcher 3 + Ciri Becoming Empress + Yennefer" ending (the only ending in a video game that ever made me cry). I began to suspect Ben was Bob about mid-way through the plot line, but I loved the way they tied it together so well. Putting Dwight Eisenhower in there was absolute genius.
Ciri becoming Empress? No thanks fam. Ciri is a witcher, through and through.
Edit: Amen on that Yen though!
i think he put down the past like a man and walk away
If you honestly believe that, then you also must believe that being a man involves destroying your life's work.
He sure did
i was try both ending by pick revenge first but after that i feel nothing like its empty
but this ending fill something in my heart .
Hm, both endings are pretty cool in their own way. But I still think the Revenge ending suits the Western theme more.
THIS GAME IS FREAKING AWESOME !!!
Personally, both endings are fitting to the narrative as a question posed through the story is "When is cold blooded revenged justifed, if it can be?" After playing through I felt redemption was the way I wanted to end it.
I actually like this ending especially with how it’s implied because of the actions and final act of Silas greaves Dwight.D Eisenhower becomes a better man, also the Bound in blood theme in the end.
wait...Dwight Eisenhower? as in THE Eisenhower that would be in WW2 and later become President?!
This is the best game i have ever played good story i really like the way that the game updates when you make a good choise or a bad choise
That coin had the sign of the templars!!!!
thats the cross of the real knights of templar. dont believe assassins cread man haha
***** i wasn't thinking that.
***** k
I don't believe either...but just sayin'
i love this ending
My favorite ending of the game
omg whoa that's awesome!
I selected this endig cause I like the good (or better) endings
Moral of the story is actually really good. Revenge won't bring your loved ones back to life,nor they would like it if they were alive. Such a great game. Underrated as hell.
Just completed the game, picked revenge. What would be the point letting Bob walk freely after all efforts to find him?
whats the music for the ending called please tell me
I passed the game 3 times and after the first time I told myself I'm gonna spare him but when I get to the end I never do that, it's something stronger then my so I came here :)
man this was a fun game
What a badass ;(
This ending was so much better than revenge :)
...both endings are actually reasonable...with the revenge ending Silas has accomplished his life's goal cutting a bloody path through history all for the sake of killing three men, he killed at least 1000. Whereas with the redemption ending...his reasoning may not be simply that I had to know if you'd changed(although making himself sound deranged and such would certainly draw that out of many), but also that he's old...he's been fighting for so long that he's just tired of it all and so...
True, every one is different.
and also how he was dismissive of the story, yet submissive in the questions
Sometimes you should just let go of your anger and hatred. And seeing that bob changed, I think it was the right thing to do!
Played and finished for the first time today..... #Revenge..
even then there might be someone who doesn't have a limit to that
Really, it was too late for Bob to change. He already committed many evils and he pushed others to commit similar crimes. A bad guy of Bob's degree has to be put down. For the closure of those he hurt, vengeance for those he killed, and protection for those he may kill in the future.
What makes Silas better, as I'm sure many of you will ask, is that Silas never hurt innocent people, whereas those he put down actively targeted the weak.
Yet in the, revenge, end Silas drew on Bob. Silas may have killed out laws, murderers, and bandits, but if he had just walked away Jim, and Ringo would still pay for their crimes.
My reason for killing bob. He has had a bad life living through his guilt we will put him out of his misery.
As an author, I love those commants :)
A bit too cheery for my tastes. I could understand redemption if filled with threats, and despise... along the lines of "you are not worth it you piece of s--t". But the moral speech to the kid... nah. I am glad i choosed revenge, it showed Greaves exactly as i saw him during the game: no longer bloodthirsty, tired, but doing what he set up to do until the end. "Nothing personal Bob, it's just revenge".
Sparing Bob means every other person in the game killed by your hands died a needless death. One might argue that revenge is a waste of time so their deaths were needless, but I suppose we'd have to agree to disagree on that end. I like the idea of revenge when warranted. It doesn't bring back your loved ones, but it does bring back a sense of right to the world.
Exactly
I'm not against revenge. But in this case, I think I prefer redemption.
This ending makes no sense. So basically what you can get from this ending: You should kill a lot of people, angry at them cause of men who killed your brothers and then when you finally meet your brothers killers after killing so many people, you'll just let them go. So basically you're just insane mass murderer. God damnit this ending can't be more stupid for this game.
+Gravelord Nito Yea, at least this game lets you choose. Assassin's Creed 2 is the same stupid bullshit but you can't choose to kill the guy you spent your whole life looking for to kill. In this game, the redemption is handled more intelligently, as well.
+Gravelord Nito That's why I'd prefer the Revenge ending. Killing that motherfucker would satisfy the story and Silas Greaves.
Classic dispute between the care/harm and Fairness moral foundations.
I once told a kid filled with hate and anger to build his life up, do something decent with it instead of tearing down the world, like I did. Life imitates art.
The revenge ending is far better and more suitable ending.
Yeah theirs nothing more satisfying then shooting a law abiding old man, and mentally traumatizing a young man.
Emmett Leone-Woods Choosing redemption in this game is totally stupid. Silas Greaves spent his whole life killing people, trying to find people who killed his brothers, and now when he finally killed two of them and found last Bob he should just let him live? There would be no point of his life then.
Gravelord Nito Did you ever once think about WHO was the one being redeemed in the Redemption ending?
Eddie's Secret Agenda was to find something to help pay off his gambling debts.
Its the way of the ordo xenos,the inquisition and the imperium.
Even if you think that, It still would eat you up and side.
what's the name of the ending theme?
What a name of ending music?
Why stop right before Bob? If Silas wants to quit killing he just found the last one. That's why I liked the revenge ending more. There's only one more to go... just shoot him and THEN do whatever "quitting" or ending the killing you had planned anyway. If he wanted to stop and let the past go that chance he left behind decades ago. Bob is the last one anyway. Nothing you do is going to bring back your loved ones but you knew that from the start as well.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know loss. All those years, it's like hanging on to a burning coal! It's easier to just just let it, it inspires more people too.
I sat for half an hour trying to decide between the two options and I finally went with revenge. It just seemed wrong to walk away after all that like leaving a circle half done. Also, having a brother myself, I thought, what if I was this guy? Yeah, revenge is the only one that made sense to me. You don't get to simply walk away from your past. If I was Silas, I'd be glad to finally be able to finish this chapter of my life and move on. Maybe marry, have kids and start farming or maybe even just keep on bounty hunting since I'm so good at it... It's not like he's suddenly the bad guy. Everyone he killed did the same or worse to other people and no one'll miss them. I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.
However, Ben and Eddie are the only characters to have taken a piece of the treasure. Ben took a golden crucifix, and Eddie took a gold goblet.
every human is different. it wouldn't eat up any and everyone that had to bear because of how some people are. i bet that out of all the people there at least 1 one person who could handle it, because that's who they are
Redemption...The only way
Aurther Morgan said vengeance is luxury you can't Offord 😢
Like i said i normally can deal with it but to a curtain point.
Wow the allied supreme leader during world war 2 was in this story
Name of the complete song?
First of all, I play COD sometimes. I'm not addicted to that game so don't group me with the "COD generation". Second, he was already turned into a killer. He sacrificed years of his life in the name of revenge. I can understand why you feel the redemption ending is better, but I prefer the revenge. It felt like Silas deserved his life goal after spending most of his life to accomplish this goal.
really good game story is epic
If anything, this is my personal BETTER ending since, though he wanted to kill Bob for vengeance, revenge does not bring back the dead. Since you killed a lot of men to get at this point. No matter what you say that its for justice, the fact is that you never thought what to do with Silas' life after IF he killed Bob. His main drive was revenge but what then, killing the three people you swore vengeance on won't bring peace to ones soul.
All i'm saying is that to FORGIVE ones enemies can give some respite to ones person, since REVENGE never comes good out of it. Yes Silas never killed civilians yet thoughts of REVENGE constantly on his mind only poisons him (I know this since this is what i watch in Naruto that Sasuke was filled with revenge with his brother for killing his clan, he went so far to gain power for revenge is to join Orochimaru), so to me, Silas needs to forgive or just bury the Hatchet with Bob to end the path of vengeance, cause he'll just end up empty. Bob may have done things that made people killers like Silas but isn't it that Silas killed people too
And to those who think that revenge is better since it fit with the Western theme, HELLO! The age of the Wild West ended in the 1900s
To quote Shakespeare:
The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy.
To fight the feeling of revenge is to conquer the Evil in your own soul, and forgiveness for our enemies is what Jesus tells us to have. As Bob said, "I was a different man back then, drinking, if I could turn back the clock..."
If you pick the revenge ending, you're not killing the man who killed your brothers. You're killing an old man who has sought to be rid of his horrid past.
This is the best ending.
This is the best ending
FUcking Medal of Honor placed in wild weest JeeeHaaa Baby ! :D I fUckinG l0ve iT
What ost is that?
some men can take it better then others.
Rather than go in guns blazing he sits down to tell his story, perhaps just happy to get it out and see if he can simply just leave this one man be...before he goes off to die in peace, just done with it all.
well that's deep tehn
I wanted to point something out here that everyone seems to be missing. If Silas so clearly wanted to redeem Bob, even after "turning him into a murderer (Quotations because this is obvious bullshit)" and killing his brother, why would Silas confront Bob in a bar and tell him that he was going to forgive him? You could say that it was to prevent Bob from hating himself based on his past (Which he already does considering the stuttering after Silas asked him if his life is worth sparing) but any somewhat smart person could tell him that this would be pointless and a waste of time and would change nothing about Bob's mentality. Bob would continue to have self-doubt and hate.
Buckethead390 I'm pretty sure Silas wanted Bob to know of the things he went through to scare him. Heck consider when he told everyone the tale of when he was hunting down the Apache leader and when the leader told him of the thing Silas will lose (his soul) if he did go through with gaining revenge.
With Silas telling of the amount of people he's killed, the amount of danger even the natives saw him as. You could say he wanted to make Bob fear for his life, something Silas felt when he was about to die with his brothers. Silas must of seen that revenge isn't the answer, and heck even in the confrontation (the redemption route) he saw that Bob was the same like Silas now. Both were in different sides of the coin, but the same. The coin is what started it all, and Silas ended with the coin by not taking anymore lives his brothers wouldn't of wanted him to do.
And how would Silas know what his brothers wanted?
Why would he want to scare him if he didn't intend to kill Bob? That's just silly.
Buckethead390 remember this. Throughout the game we aren't controlling Silas fully, were playing the tale he is telling everyone else. It is up to the player to believe what Silas is telling, is the truth, or a hoax.
Play the other games to understand as well.
We are playing as Silas, proof being the revenge ending.
Buckethead390 during the story not fully. In the present yes.
i've choose revenge too, but now i think it's better redemption
yes!!!! thats right!
It was a good game! Who would knew in that bar that the kid would become the president of the United States! 😄
redemption may be the right thing to do but when i tore through all these bastards bandits on true west when i finally got to the choice i chose sweet sweet vengance on this mutherhubbin bob
i did revenge
Assassin_Gaming no point in it but whatever you want !
+Assassin_Gaming me too mate :D fuck him !
Is he not the thirty-third technically? Because of Grover Cleveland?
I chose revenge, because the many people I had to kill to get to Bob couldn't have died for nothing for just one conversation, the goal was revenge and that goal was accomplished
Revenge ending just so much better tho an imo revenge is the canon ending should we ever get a sequel, which I hope we do!