How to Test a PTO Clutch for Resistance!

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  • čas přidán 18. 08. 2018
  • Melted PTO Switch?
    In today's video, I'll be showing you how to test a PTO Clutch for resistance!
    I've worked on this mower previously & we had a safety switch issue that we diagnosed, watch that video here: • Fixing Electrical Issu...
    When performing a 12volt Test on this PTO Clutch, the clutch engaged & worked perfectly fine. To conduct this test, simply unplug your PTO clutch and put 12v directly to it. You should hear the electro-magnet engage.
    However, once we tested for resistance, the reason for the melted PTO switch became clear.
    Normally, a PTO Clutch will test at 2-4 Ohms of resistance (regardless of whether it works or not).
    This PTO Clutch tested at 00.4 Ohms & was removed & replaced.
    The reason the PTO clutch tested under 2ohms is because it has a "short-to-ground" somewhere inside the clutch itself, which lowers the resistance.
    If the PTO clutch tested over 4ohms, there could be corrosion (caused by moisture) built up on the connector, or inside the electro-magnet itself. This corrosion would cause higher resistance.
    Explanation on why the switch melted;
    In an electrical circuit, if Voltage remains the same, and resistance is decreased, amperage increases.
    Here's a textbook definition: "Voltage equals the amperage multiplied by the resistance in a circuit. If the voltage remains constant and the resistance is dropped, the amperage across the circuit must increase."
    Essentially, with a short to ground there is little to no resistance, as electricity takes the path of least resistance. So because the 12v from the battery (around 14v from the magneto/charing system when the engine is running) always stays the same, and the resistance decreased due to the short-to-ground, this is what increases the amps in the circuit!
    This increased amperage overloads the wires, which will then create additional heat on the wires & connectors, causing them to prematurely fail, and possibly melt.
    I gave my customer 2 options for PTO Clutch replacements on this White Outdoors ZT50 mower.
    The 1st was an OEM direct replacement;
    Warner 5219-99 for $507.98
    The 2nd was an Aftermarket Xtreme conversion kit;
    Xtreme X0391 for S285.34
    My customer opted for the more affordable option, so I went with the Xtreme!
    We test the new PTO Clutch for resistance & it tests around 3.5 Ohms.
    When installing the new Xtreme Clutch, you MUST use the top spacer they provide, as it prevents the PTO clutch from riding up the crankshaft!
    If you don't use this, you'll void the warranty!
    Also, make sure to engage the new PTO Clutch at half throttle, approx. 10 times before re-torquing the bolt to 50-55 ft-lbs.
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  • @EliminatorPerformance
    @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety +20

    Explanation on why the switch melted;
    In an electrical circuit, if Voltage remains the same, and resistance is decreased, amperage increases.
    Here's a textbook definition: "Voltage equals the amperage multiplied by the resistance in a circuit. If the voltage remains constant and the resistance is dropped, the amperage across the circuit must increase."
    Essentially, with a short to ground there is little to no resistance, as electricity takes the path of least resistance. So because the 12v from the battery (around 14v from the magneto/charing system when the engine is running) stays the same, this is what increases the amps in the circuit!
    This increased amperage overloads the wires, and this is what melts the switch, then causes failure.
    On the flip side, if you test your PTO clutch and it has more than 4ohms, you could have corrosion on your connector (possibly caused by water/moisture) which would increase the resistance and could cause issues.

  • @JShep-yu3ki
    @JShep-yu3ki Před 2 lety +12

    3+ years later and your video is still providing answers to us DIYers. Thanks

    • @chadfield376
      @chadfield376 Před rokem

      Yep, I agree; I enjoy watching Eliminator’s vids as he gives a no nonsense approach as to what steps to do in diagnosing these typical mower issues. About to do the same testing with a no power PTO on a Snapper ZT I am in the process of getting running again for a hopeful flip:-)

  • @sarahc270
    @sarahc270 Před 3 lety +8

    Our Cub has been sitting for about 4 years because it started smoking. Hubby had already burnt motor up and had to replace it. Then got frustrated and pushes it in the corner of the barn. Buys new mower. Here we are.. new mower needs a new part and I miss the cub. So I tow it up to the garage and start taking it apart looking for melted wires. I find an old broken pto switch in the cup holder...examined it..melted. Then I pulled apart the newer one and it was starting to melt as well. Watched your video... I have no mechanical smarts what-so-ever! But you made it very simple. I am getting ready to take my fluke and check out the readings. Guarantee I need a new clutch. THANK YOU.

  • @daleleishman4106
    @daleleishman4106 Před rokem +1

    Wow! Thank you for spending some time to explain your process and how things work on this PTO. I've watched a ton of different CZcams videos on fixing things. Sometimes the instructor doesn't go into detail on multi-meter settings or how the part should function like you've done here. Very well done!

  • @jefftaylor947
    @jefftaylor947 Před 3 lety +2

    Just got a free John Deere, and this is extremely helpful in my troubleshooting it! Runs great, however now I know how to start testing the PTO clutch ohms. Many thanks

  • @FanOWater
    @FanOWater Před 3 lety +1

    Great, thorough video. I ended up having a different problem (frayed wire that was hard to spot), but watching this triggered the idea that led to the solution.

    • @charliesmith2285
      @charliesmith2285 Před 2 lety

      I had a frayed wire right at the pto clutch which in turn I believe burned my clutch out internally. I definitely had both issues whether or not the frayed wire cause the clutch to short out or not.

  • @garyknirr8209
    @garyknirr8209 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the video. I have a PTO that PEGS my Amp Meter when I engage the PTO. I'm headed out to check the PTO resistance. I liked your explanation for current. I use similar when explaining to train engineers. You have max thumbs up on this video.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety

      Thanks for watching Gary! And on this particular PTO clutch, it had an intermittent short to ground so when I tested, the resistance was low, but would Spike occasionally which would've melted the switch. Like my customer said, he replaced the switch and it worked for 2 weeks then the resistance spiked and he melted the switch.
      I haven't heard from him since replacement of clutch, so all is well!

  • @kazparzyxzpenualt8111
    @kazparzyxzpenualt8111 Před 3 lety +3

    I have been chasing gremlins with my friends DR brush hog and this video really helps me take off the gloves and get down to business. Thanks! No click on the PTO, seems shorted, wires get hot right away. Ohm test ...Good to know!

  • @customcutter100
    @customcutter100 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge. My clutch on my Gravely 460 has been shutting off after 10-15 minutes of mowing for the last few months. It finally quit all together a few days ago. Between this video and the one on air gapping and a few other YTubers I was able to determine that the air gap was over .025" I tightened it up to .020" and it works like new! Saved me over $500. Thanks again

    • @michaelwinterrowd9097
      @michaelwinterrowd9097 Před rokem

      Please share link on air gap video

    • @customcutter100
      @customcutter100 Před rokem

      @@michaelwinterrowd9097 take your pick. czcams.com/users/results?search_query=pto+clutch+air+gap+adjustment+

  • @progers5019
    @progers5019 Před 5 lety +4

    Your video was very helpful. You did a great job explaining things. I'm in the middle of replacing the elec clutch on my husq yth-2348 and purchased the same after market clutch from extreme. I'm concerned about using the round anti spin rod vs ordering a newer design flat steel type with more hold surface. My anti spin rod popped out of the hole twice. I had been hearing a singing noise with a slight grind sound for a good while (rather loud only at times) After ohming out the clutch leads found it to be only .002 which is close to zero. It ripped my repaired wires loose twice before I found the anti-spin rod popped out. Anyway I now have the new clutch in hand. I'm not a mechanic but try to fix my own stuff and am usually successful. I do the research and watch videos when available, then go do it. Videos like yours are so helpful to DIY"ers. Thanks

  • @charliesmith2285
    @charliesmith2285 Před 2 lety +2

    This video is such a life saver. Literally explains so much. I love trying to fix things myself and I couldn't find the short after my Scag was blowing fuses!

    • @Purosanluispotosi
      @Purosanluispotosi Před 2 lety

      I have a problem today on my exmark zero turn I was cutting and they stop working and I trun that switch and nothing no noise either I wonder wath is my problem

    • @charliesmith2285
      @charliesmith2285 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Purosanluispotosi check fuses. If fuses are blowing it’s possible this is the issue. It was for sure my issue after blowing fuses and burning out a pto switch. This video saved me. Replaced the electric pto clutch and it works great.

    • @Purosanluispotosi
      @Purosanluispotosi Před 2 lety

      Ok I’m going to look for that fuses my machine is old so I’m going to try to find that fuses thank u very much

  • @fast68chevy
    @fast68chevy Před 3 lety

    good stuff. wrking on a cub cadet zero turn with eletyric PTO clutch hub intermittent engagement failure issue. going ot check resistance of clutch first and then air gap if resistance checks out. and also condition of PTO switch. and replace it if needed. a couple days ago i didnt have any idea there were electric engaged pto clutches on these now i know more than i ever thought i would or could wow.. hmm.. now i am armed with pretty much all the info i need to test diagnose etc this one. great. my multi/voltage meter/tester and here we go.. in the morning..

  • @TheLawnCareLifeinMowssouri

    Thanks a lot for the video! Checking out my VENTRAC after the PTO disengaged while running the Tough Cut deck. Just checked the Clutch and it’s reading .5 ohms! Looks like it is time for a new one! This video was definitely helpful!!! 👍👍👍

    • @brianmills4891
      @brianmills4891 Před rokem

      Just had a similar issue with my finish mower. I had been noticing that the charging system was not making its normal 13.9 or 14 V when PTO running. Then yesterday I blew the PTO 15 amp fuse. I figured there was an issue with something, but when I did put an extra one in just to make sure it was not a fluke, and it blew that after just a few minutes.
      Do you think the extra draw from the faulty clutch could be related to the charging issue?
      I’ve got the 4500k, did you get your clutch from ventrac or aftermarket ?

  • @timothyphaff4088
    @timothyphaff4088 Před 5 lety +6

    AWESOME BECAUSE of No BS ING around!!! Right to the point, fast and simple...Thank You, sir...

  • @rongaudelli7379
    @rongaudelli7379 Před 5 lety +2

    Fantastic video. Saved me a ton of time on the repair and it worked perfectly.

  • @boatanchors6652
    @boatanchors6652 Před 5 lety +2

    Thank's so much for the detailed video on the PTO Clutch. I had a PTO switch that got hot and melted so I replaced it not knowing that the cause of my problem was indeed the PTO clutch. I measured mine like you showed and was only reading 00.8 ohms not 3-4 ohms. Indeed bad, so ordered the Xtreme for mine as well. thanks Man very well done and informative video. Thumbs Up

  • @davidis3001
    @davidis3001 Před 4 lety

    Very nice video.like all the details and info.thks for going through it all and not leaving things out

  • @tonymayhew191
    @tonymayhew191 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Nothing but solid information brother! Thank you very kindly!😉

  • @johnthorp4546
    @johnthorp4546 Před 3 lety +1

    Well explained and great video!👍

  • @Smalltechguy
    @Smalltechguy Před 4 lety

    Thanks for having the same multi meter as I do and showing the settings. I've got a craftsman ZTL 8000 doing the exact same thing. I told the guy that it could be more than just a switch and possibly a relay. He's very impatient. So I purchased a new clutch and still the blades won't engage. I thought maybe a ignition switch since his has to be double pumped to crank the engine.

  • @DLJJBJones-pp2cd
    @DLJJBJones-pp2cd Před rokem +1

    Excellent video, well done sir

  • @orvilleortiz8616
    @orvilleortiz8616 Před 4 lety +4

    Good video,very detailed, I'm a rookie on this but with this kind of videos I'll be a pro in no time....I'm a very quick learner....Its freaking 9:40pm now and I ran to my shed to grab my Fluke116 to check the pto switch and tomorrow I'll be checking the clutch for sure...I was given a John Deere m665 zero trak for free in very good condition but obviously has issues with the PTO, one was replaced with oem pto and it worked once,so I assumed it needs a new clutch....thanks for the video!!!! GREAT JOB!!!!!

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety

      Thanks for watching, and good luck! I also have a video on how to properly adjust the PTO clutch: czcams.com/video/hZNILWqmcEg/video.html

    • @orvilleortiz8616
      @orvilleortiz8616 Před 3 lety +1

      Hey I got it running thanks to your video,checked,I checked the PTO clutch and it had 2.5 ohns and I bought the PTO switch with higher amps and it worked perfect....blades engaged and I already sold it which was my intention.....

    • @bobbycreech5217
      @bobbycreech5217 Před 2 lety

      @@EliminatorPerformance p

  • @imakeitgreen3777
    @imakeitgreen3777 Před 3 lety

    I like how u show the multi meter and the setting of the meter.

  • @philliphall5198
    @philliphall5198 Před rokem +1

    Great information and advice
    Thank You

  • @jimacheson4933
    @jimacheson4933 Před 3 lety +2

    Great video, clear and to the point. Thanks!

  • @hphillips7425
    @hphillips7425 Před 5 lety +4

    Good video 👍. Informative and precise. It is a pleasure to run across a video like this. I am sick of video's that are 10 minutes long with 1 minute of information. I don't care if a fast food place made your burger wrong or your dog is having a bad day

  • @mythreepigs520
    @mythreepigs520 Před 4 lety +2

    Excellent , helped me determine my pto clutch was bad , I knew it was but tested with my ohm meter to confirm and just like your test reading 00.5
    Mine was same 00.5 , very well explained and excellent visuals thank you . Jim

  • @mrbrown6421
    @mrbrown6421 Před rokem +1

    Excellent. Thank you.
    2-4 ohms average.
    Got it.

  • @1AloneX2
    @1AloneX2 Před 3 lety +2

    best instructional video!

  • @ar15gator
    @ar15gator Před 2 měsíci

    Real Good Video! Thank you for sharing

  • @kujtimtonuzi9274
    @kujtimtonuzi9274 Před 3 lety +1

    That was a very informative video. Precision information and technique. Wondering if you have any videos on difficult PTO removal. Anyway, thank you. Excellent.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 3 lety

      Put a divot in the bolt, loosen it, then use an air hammer. I'll probably film a video on that this summer!

  • @markblack59
    @markblack59 Před 6 lety +8

    P.S. That was a good instructional vid.It was as if you were a classroom instructor. Good job bro

  • @ricker752
    @ricker752 Před 3 lety +1

    I have a pto from extreme coming in. I watched a video from extreme and they talk about burnishing the new pto. Series of engaging and disengaging the pto numerous times before using to cut grass.

  • @waynestefinashen239
    @waynestefinashen239 Před 6 lety +4

    5 Stars for Extreme PTO's have used them before just a tip for all you Eliminators you should have your RPM's or throttle at 1/2 speed before engaging your PTO switch then throttle up before cutting. This will ensure your PTO clutch lasts a long time. Great video i am sure many people just swap out switches before checking the amperage draw on the PTO clutch.

    • @jamesbomar3903
      @jamesbomar3903 Před 2 lety

      Thanks for the info. I did not know this.

    • @waynestefinashen239
      @waynestefinashen239 Před 2 lety

      Your welcome, this information was on the flyer from Extreme and it makes sense like slamming on the brakes of a vehicle from either 100 mph or 50 mph . Which brake pads stand up longer?

  • @EliminatorPerformance
    @EliminatorPerformance  Před 6 lety +7

    In my 1st video, when swapping the PTO switch did nothing, I moved on to the safety switches and sure enough it was the left reverse switch that was bad.
    He never told me he melted a switch before so when I tested the PTO clutch, I just did a 12v test to see if it engaged.
    Once it engaged I knew it worked, so that's why I moved on to testing safety switches.
    Jumping the reverse switch solved the issue, so the original PTO switch was plugged back in.
    Had I of done a resistance test then and there, I would've seen the PTO clutch also had to be replaced.
    Live and learn!

  • @kiddiescripterkiller
    @kiddiescripterkiller Před 4 lety +4

    One other nice thing about the Extreme PTO... some models have it where you can replace just the bearings only with a circlip, whereas the oem versions, they can't be replaced without a lot of careful grinding because they dimple the top and sometimes the bottom bearing into place.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety

      Excellent point, thanks for watching!

    • @todds7614
      @todds7614 Před 3 lety +1

      if you have a press they push right out you just have to use a punch to bend the metal back in to hold the bearings and use high quality bearings or wont last

  • @mrbumblehill4596
    @mrbumblehill4596 Před měsícem

    Solved my melting switch problem on my Ferris, THANKS!

    • @jamesmacdonnell4085
      @jamesmacdonnell4085 Před 5 dny

      @ mrbumblehill4596 I have a Ferris also, z3x 52” 37 vanguard oil guard stander. What model do you have & how old/hours did your clutch break down? Did you replace with oem ogura, I hear Ferris oem parts are a long wait to get. Thank you in advance. Jim

  • @petrus19881
    @petrus19881 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video 👍

  • @chrisssmallengines3456
    @chrisssmallengines3456 Před 6 lety +1

    Good video, We are all human this is something that a lot of people would over look. I would have done all the same things am surprised that there is no fuse in the circuit.

    • @kazparzyxzpenualt8111
      @kazparzyxzpenualt8111 Před 3 lety

      Good point. One more fuse, OR A BREAKER EVEN BETTER! What could go wrong?

  • @sunnybeach4837
    @sunnybeach4837 Před 4 lety +1

    Best clutch video on the internet

  • @doncook3584
    @doncook3584 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Love these awesome videos. Money savers

  • @kingjamesg357
    @kingjamesg357 Před 3 měsíci

    Great video

  • @kevinbraud8570
    @kevinbraud8570 Před 4 lety +1

    Nice Job !

  • @CHIBA280CRV
    @CHIBA280CRV Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic job sir thank you

  • @TerrellWillams
    @TerrellWillams Před 2 lety +1

    Great video!!!

  • @Jim-ie6uf
    @Jim-ie6uf Před 4 lety +1

    Great video, thanks

  • @cartucho360
    @cartucho360 Před 5 lety +1

    Great info thanks!

  • @berniebittinger9154
    @berniebittinger9154 Před 5 lety

    Gonna go buy an ohmmeter & check out my cub cadet 2186. Pto won’t engage when engine warn. Local guy worked on it twice & put new pto switch on it & repaired a broken green wire on pto switch. Problem came about after a 200 mile trip home on a trailer. Thank you for your videos, you make it simple for the average guy to fix basic problems.

  • @4dan2
    @4dan2 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks!

  • @wolf2351
    @wolf2351 Před 5 lety +1

    Gteat job. Thanks for the info. My mower starts fine and the PTO engages but after a while, the pto will stop working and im getting a burning plastic smell. Ill check both the pto switch and the pto itself.

  • @tjsilverjones
    @tjsilverjones Před 4 lety

    Just wanted to point out mine (exactly the same clutch) has a resistance of 3.4(which seems fine) but has conductivity between both hot and ground. When I did my 12v check there was no clicking on, only sparks coming from the wires when they touched the battery. Dead short but the resistance check showed it was in tolerance.

  • @sunnybeach4837
    @sunnybeach4837 Před 4 lety +1

    Good video, smart man

  • @travelingkaspersworld4096

    We overlooked this. Switched a switch yesterday but went home pondering whether the classic mistake was made. Replace a part but overlook the cause of the failure? So back to the clutch to check it. Thanks for the video.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 5 lety

      Thanks for watching!

    • @travelingkaspersworld4096
      @travelingkaspersworld4096 Před 5 lety

      Thanks to you,..@@EliminatorPerformance Is there any source for acceptable ohms on these clutches? Thanks again,

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 5 lety

      Normally the tolerances are 2-4 ohms.
      Additionally, you can also check the gap between the magnetic clutch.
      Depending on the hp of your machine, there will be different tolerances.
      Here's some info: ogura-clutch.com/air-gap-adjustment.php

    • @travelingkaspersworld4096
      @travelingkaspersworld4096 Před 5 lety

      Thank you very much. I checked mine and it reads 5 then falls to 3 each time. However this machine burned a switch. I have not run it on the new switch. @@EliminatorPerformance

  • @artichoke60045
    @artichoke60045 Před 5 lety +8

    Great video. A small correction about voltage, current and resistance. A short = low resistance = high current, and that's the problem. v = i r. Power (rate of energy dissipation) = vi = v^2 / r . Since you have a fixed 12V from your battery, this is the right formula to use. v = 12 volts, so the lower r gets, the more energy is dissipated and the hotter everything gets. There's nothing intermittent, nothing to do with rust or squeezing a garden hose (that's a nice analogy for different physical principles not this one.)

    • @geoffrundlett1697
      @geoffrundlett1697 Před 4 lety +2

      Yeah, worth reshooting the video because the statements are actually 180 degrees out of synch with reality. Resistance decreases amperage with a constant voltage supply. A short or reduced resistance increases amperage. Entirely different explanation is that resistance DOES cause energy dissipation often in the form of heat, so corrosion at the switch which represents resistance could cause heat build-up which could be enough to cause melting.

    • @kazparzyxzpenualt8111
      @kazparzyxzpenualt8111 Před 3 lety +1

      And this is why I always try to read and evaluate all the comments! Thanks!

    • @kazparzyxzpenualt8111
      @kazparzyxzpenualt8111 Před 3 lety

      And this is why I always try to read and evaluate all the comments! Thanks

  • @steveandrews8313
    @steveandrews8313 Před 4 lety

    Great video for a problem I’m having. Only complaint is the amount of ads.

  • @kelleysoutdooradventures9939

    Thank you

  • @bkmeisenburg6787
    @bkmeisenburg6787 Před 4 lety +2

    Great video. Thanks. Having similar issue with my Cub Cadet.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety

      Thanks for watching!

    • @bkmeisenburg6787
      @bkmeisenburg6787 Před 4 lety

      @@EliminatorPerformance Thanks for your help. Although Im having some trouble. The switch seems to check out in terms of continuity. The new clutch measures 3.8 so right where I need to be. The blades engaged twice for less than 5 seconds each. Any ideas? It's a hand me down mower so I don't have a ton into it. But I don't want to throw good money after bad ya know?! Maybe it's a ground fault somewhere? Do you know where I can get detailed wiring diagrams to go through it. I figure during the pandemic, I've got more time than money! Besides, my eight year old loves working on it. Thanks!!!

    • @bkmeisenburg6787
      @bkmeisenburg6787 Před 4 lety +1

      Eliminator Performance turns out it was the reverse switch. $10 fix. Too bad I had already bought a new clutch for over $150. Oh well. 🤣🤣

  • @akzoc
    @akzoc Před 22 dny +1

    I would think you'd want to use aluminum anti-seize rather than nickel. The aluminum is less noble than nickel, so the anti-seize will corrode preferentially. Nickel anti-seize would be expected to corrode less noble materials around it. Admittedly, the amount of nickel probably is not enough to drive corrosion on adjoining, less noble materials. However, theoretically . . . Correct me if I'm wrong. Thx for the vid. Very helpful !!

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 22 dny

      @@akzoc zinc is less noble than aluminum but aluminum is less noble than copper. I always use nickel anti seize on aluminum/steel, I've never had any issues. I have used copper on steel exhaust studs that interface steel nuts, however, I have since learned that nickel anti seize has a higher heat rating so I almost exclusively use nickel pretty much everywhere.

  • @kelleysoutdooradventures9939

    thank you

  • @prouddaddyglenpool4926
    @prouddaddyglenpool4926 Před rokem +1

    Thank you. You saved me $600 dollars thank you.

  • @dans4270
    @dans4270 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for the video, very informative 👍🏿

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks for watching Dan!

    • @dans4270
      @dans4270 Před 4 lety

      @@EliminatorPerformance hey question for you.
      Mine is getting 12.6 volts, the clutch engages, it's continuity is 3.6 but it still won't turn the blades.
      What gives?

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 4 lety

      @@dans4270 check the armature air gap? If the clutch is too far from the battery it may not be engaging? Watch this: czcams.com/video/hZNILWqmcEg/video.html

    • @dans4270
      @dans4270 Před 4 lety +1

      @@EliminatorPerformance ok thanks.
      This just happened after running over a nice sized rock my kids left out for me lol
      Bend the blade about 4 inches.

  • @richardb7093
    @richardb7093 Před 3 lety +1

    You’re a pro!

  • @melvinadorno1
    @melvinadorno1 Před rokem +1

    Good video

  • @ksredsfan
    @ksredsfan Před 5 lety

    would a problem in pto clutch even though its engaging would it slow engine like a bogging loss of power feeling?

  • @aikendrum1518
    @aikendrum1518 Před 5 lety +2

    Great video, but your description of voltage resistance and current is exactly wrong. There must be an internal intermittent short on/in the solenoid

  • @gadasavideos8564
    @gadasavideos8564 Před 7 měsíci

    I just tested one and has 3.5 ohms, so looks good. It's not in a mower so my first test was going to be just to apply 12v and see if coil clicked. Not having battery handy I tried my booster pack. I use it a lot when I have no battery by putting it in override mode . In this case the booster gives an error light as soon as I touch 2nd terminal. I'm guessing it sees even 3.5 ohms as a short.

  • @thomasgregory8941
    @thomasgregory8941 Před rokem

    Thanks

  • @sallytruss4372
    @sallytruss4372 Před 3 lety

    Had all the symptoms, new clutch, switch wiring still getting hot --- was getting 5.5 from the engine , put on new voltage regulator-- now 4.4---- which is above the 4.0 threshold for the clutch. It’s a20 year old exmark 60 inch o turn.
    Can the problem be aging components internally pushing too much past the voltage regulator?
    Thanks, Martin

  • @brandonoh777
    @brandonoh777 Před rokem

    i have a Dixon 0 turn and lately when i engage the pto it wants to kill the engine. 1st thought it was the mower deck bound up but it does the same thing with the belt completely off the PTO pulley...so i took off the PTO and ohm tested it... i get about .5-.6 ohms but when i hook the pto up to a 12V bat it engages. but i felt the wires getting warm. so i put an ammeter in the circuit and it was drawing about 18-20 amps with the pto engaged that seems super high?...which makes scene with the really low resistance. Only thing i can think of is, that high amp drawl is demanding a lot from the alternator winding on the crank shaft and thats what causing the heavy resistance and killing the engine? bit of a head scratchier....but i ordered a new PTO

  • @BradHudsonhudson
    @BradHudsonhudson Před 27 dny +1

    Good video but you forgot the most important part. After installing new clutch you need to varnish the new one before operating. Start off low idle and engage pto for 1 seconds and turn off let blades stop than engage 10 times. Do this at half throttle and full throttle.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 27 dny

      @@BradHudsonhudson yes it's called burnishing the clutch, and we do it with every one.

  • @HokieJuju
    @HokieJuju Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent video!!! Thank u so much for this, it really helped me out. I have a question that u might be able to answer. Is it possible to replace the bearings on the pulley on a clutch like this?? The electric clutch is working fine, but the pulley has gotten very hard to turn so I’m assuming the bearings are bad. I hate to fork out the $ on a whole new clutch if I can just replace the bearings on the pulley but I don’t want to start tearing it apart only to find out it’s a lot more complex in there. 🤦‍♀️ Thanks again for your help!!

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 3 lety +1

      I'm sure it's possible, but I've never done it before. Maybe some digging on youtube could help, as I'm afraid I can't help much with that specific fix! Thanks for watching!

    • @HokieJuju
      @HokieJuju Před 3 lety

      @@EliminatorPerformance No worries!!! Thanks to your video I discovered the clutch has high resistance so I’m probably going to have to replace the whole thing. I was going to try to limp this mower through one more cut before winter but I might not be able to do that. 😩 Over the winter I’m going to put a new motor in my zero turn & then I won’t need this other mower anymore, so it’s crappy timing for the clutch & pulley to crap out!!! Thank u for responding though!!

  • @RCThis
    @RCThis Před 5 lety

    My scag PTO measured 2.2 ohm. I hope that's a good reading. If the ohm reading goes higher does it mean its beginning to go out?

  • @Jesusfreak39
    @Jesusfreak39 Před 4 lety

    i replaced my pto clutch it reads 4.2 oems and i replaced switch it was reading ,50 oems suppose been 13-14 i pop switch nothing happens i have a hth42xp Husqvarna

  • @randybeard6040
    @randybeard6040 Před 5 lety +2

    The Lawnmower Clutch is an Extreme Magnetic Lock that Ties Crank Output Shaft of Lawnmower Engine to Cutting Deck, it Takes One Hell of a Grip when Engaged thus its Cost is Relatively High compared to other Parts...

  • @rayaratkon1654
    @rayaratkon1654 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi,
    you do very good videos! i have a john deere ride on when i start the engine automatically the pto is activated with the blades running it only turns off when i turn off the engine i tested the pto with altimeter it gave me 4.7 oms. will it be that the pto is burned inside?

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 2 lety +1

      So the issue could be with the PTO clutch yes, but it also seems like your pto switch could be melted and it's engaged all the time which isn't good

  • @dovetunes
    @dovetunes Před rokem +1

    Great video. My clutch wasn't working so I tested the resistance and it was only 1.3. But then I followed your other video and adjusted the gap, and it is working fine now. Any reason not to run it? I don't want to burn out my stater or something.

  • @zood62
    @zood62 Před 4 lety +1

    You want to point out that 13.5 volts are necessary going into that new clutch before putting it back into service. Measured at the clutch with PTO engaged. Zero volts disengaged,13.5 +/- engaged. If it's only battery voltage at that new clutch it will fail.

  • @acoustic4037
    @acoustic4037 Před 5 lety +3

    At 4:02 - A short to ground should actually reduce resistance and give electricity an alternate path. You're right that it could be intermittent. I'm guessing the internal short was intermittent at first. I like your thinking here but I would be against electron theory to say resistance can be increased by creating another parallel path to follow. You can verify this with Ohm's law. Resistance path A plus resistance path B equals the sum of the reciprocal of both. I'm not perfect, correct me if I'm wrong (with sources cited). Thanks for posting the video I've learned some stuff about these clutches.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 5 lety +1

      A Short to Ground should reduce resistance, but it's not always the case.
      It all depends on the circuit, the resistance of the windings, and then the ground (in this case the base of the PTO Clutch).
      Based on my findings (PTO engage switch that would work for a couple weeks then burn out) it had to be an intermittent issues.
      The only way the PTO switch would melt like it did, would be from increased amperage in the circuit.
      Everything else was fine, so process of elimination told me it was the Clutch itself causing the amp draw, thus overheating the weakest part (the switch).
      We could say we're both right, or both wrong, but at the end of the day, things in a book or on the internet don't always tell us the full story. I find that every machine is always different in the smallest ways.
      With the new PTO Clutch installed, my customer hasn't had any issues since!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @George1mac
    @George1mac Před 11 měsíci

    Well, my 2010 toro Z master just stopped spinning the blades...no sound...no nothing....checked under the rear and the wiring harness hookup at the clutch was tattered....ordered a new harness, and it engaged....mowed several times and it quit again....this time, I noted the new harness had melted on the negative terminal at the jxn of the clutch and harness....I did check the actual switch and it is not melted....it appears you may have diagnosed my problem......only thing I need to do now is check with the multimeter........We'll see about that..........THANKS!!!................well, I checked the clutch....reads 2.3, so maybe need to go check the actual pto switch for contunity, but still it would now seem if it was bad, why would wire melt at the clutch?

  • @wesavelawns2406
    @wesavelawns2406 Před 4 lety

    Hey thanks for the video .I've been searching all over trying to get some info. So I have a Scag V ride .
    I accidentally left my key switch on for 4 days. I went to use the mower and it would not start so I took the battery and charged it. The mower started right up but now when I pull the PTO switch and does not click and the blades take like 10 to 20 seconds to turn on. So I checked to make sure the wires were pushed into the socket,it seemed to be fine. Any idea what this could be. I would appreciate your help thank you.

    • @Theyralltakenfu
      @Theyralltakenfu Před 4 lety

      Those Scag mowers are awesome, hope you got it fixed right a way.

  • @martinmoffitt4702
    @martinmoffitt4702 Před 2 lety +1

    not to beat you up..because it is a very good well explained video.. but why did you not test this PTO fully from the get go....you would have been able to see that the weak link was the PTO all along..and saved time and money for everyone..ESP YOU! thank you and be well!!

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 2 lety +1

      In my defense the PTO worked for weeks to months at a time, so I'm assuming it had to of been an intermittent short to ground causing the resistance to be more or less. But yes, we resistance test them all now, not just 12v test.

  • @markblack59
    @markblack59 Před 6 lety +1

    Chris, you didn't mention if you burnish the clutch or not.I. too replaced Warner clutch on a bad boy with extreme and I had to burnish the clutch before putting
    aload on it or it would have void the warranty

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 6 lety

      Mark Black The instructions said to use upper washer and lower spacer, without a lock washer, and engage 10times on half throttle then retorque bolt.
      Failure to do so would void warranty. I always do whatever the manufacturer suggests (which is why I took the time to call them in the 1st place).

  • @TheEmoLab
    @TheEmoLab Před 3 lety +1

    Like the video, time to diagnose my Husqvarna

  • @philrouillard1982
    @philrouillard1982 Před 11 měsíci

    My simplicity when engaging the pto it may wait 5 to 10sec when first time when mowing. Then it is fine for the most part. ???

  • @Huntersprojects
    @Huntersprojects Před rokem

    HELP I’m not sure what to do I was mowing with my simplicity regent hydro 14 I just fixed and the clutch like blew up it started grinding and the mower wouldn’t shut off what should I do I left it in my yard I’ve never had a mower with an electric PTO

  • @nighthawk7921
    @nighthawk7921 Před rokem

    "On the flip side, if you test your PTO clutch and it has more than 4ohms, you could have corrosion on your connector (possibly caused by water/moisture) which would increase the resistance and could cause issues." .... So if your PTO is measuring 6.7 ohms. Would it the FIX be to take the connector apart and clean the terminals & use some anti corrosion grease on the connector. OR is the Corrosion you are speaking of be actually INSIDE the wiring of the PTO itself? Would the GAP being off Cause the OHM's reading to be HIGH or even LOW?

  • @toenails.
    @toenails. Před 2 lety

    What was your ohm reading on the bad clutch? Just wondering thanks

  • @am6066
    @am6066 Před 2 lety

    Have any idea what the current pull is on a normal PTO?

  • @xincarceratedx
    @xincarceratedx Před rokem

    My PTO doesn't make any clicking noise or any noise at all when I attempt to engage it. I noticed it was very much so not all of the way on before this happened, like the bolt on the bottom only was on my a couple threads. I've since put back on with thread locker and turned it, but still no noise or anything when engaging. Suggesting?

  • @Mr.Big-Gunz
    @Mr.Big-Gunz Před 2 lety

    Damn,,....i wish you lived in my neighborhood cause my mower's FUBAR...my pto will engage but then it keeps popping back off, it won't stay engaged but a couple of minuets then it keeps kicking out again and again...it's a MZ52 Husqvarna with the Kohler engine...

  • @yaryar1976
    @yaryar1976 Před 3 lety

    Had a mower given to me. B-inlaw had a wrench drop onto the battery while he was mowing and shorted things out. The shop didn’t quite get it figured out. I’m guessing the pto might be the most expensive electrical piece on it?

  • @mmmm-qd3iu
    @mmmm-qd3iu Před 4 lety

    Can a pto clutch be repaired

  • @hlanceboyd
    @hlanceboyd Před 2 lety

    so i thought my clutch was shorted, but I bought a new one and got a 0 when I tested the resistance, so I guess either my multimeter is bad or I am doing something wrong.

  • @clarkhislop5329
    @clarkhislop5329 Před 2 lety

    5.1 is to high can it be adjusted ? or do i replace ?

  • @philliphall5198
    @philliphall5198 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Other thing is you must have a good battery, don’t boost off battery and expect alt will charge it up while mowing, low voltage will damage clutch also

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 11 měsíci

      Yes that's an excellent point, if I ever get one in that has that issue I'll do a video on that. It's kind of like a vehicle in a sense, the alternator itself isn't enough to run the system so you need the battery, but without the alternator the clutch would kill the battery.

  • @robertflum444
    @robertflum444 Před rokem +1

    Please tell us what the multimeter ohm readings should be for each pair of PTO switch blades when PTO switch is on and off. Your coverage of the safety switches is great, but although you tell us you tested the PTO switch, you don't show it.

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před rokem

      As close to 0 ohms is ideal. A switch should have little to no resistance at all.

  • @damianferro
    @damianferro Před 5 lety +1

    I have tested my PTO on the machine, and the tester is showing 03.2 ohmz. could it be bad contact between the switch and the plug, or the plug at the clutch itself?

    • @EliminatorPerformance
      @EliminatorPerformance  Před 5 lety +1

      Yes very likely! If the PTO clutch tests good (between 2-4 ohms) then the connector most likely could have corrosion, or a bad connection at the switch!

  • @arkbak1333
    @arkbak1333 Před 4 lety +1

    My PTO switch is good. But my PTO will not engage. I checked the PTO clutch as you instructed in the video. Mine is 5.2 ohms. Could it be a faulty PTO clutch?

  • @JamesMoore-xd1tz
    @JamesMoore-xd1tz Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you. You save me some cash.

  • @ElliottPattersonTrains
    @ElliottPattersonTrains Před 11 měsíci

    Can I get a link to where he got a this clutch from I am running into the same issue need to replace the clutch