I know what happened. There is no proof of it. but, I have been in some very similar situations in the oil field as a Safety Supervisor and had to intervene to prevent a serious accident- much to the anger of production supervisors and District managers. It always starts with seemingly innocent human miscalculations. I'll make my presentation in a script format: Chuck (Production manager): I need this unit back online as soon as possible. How quickly can you get going for me, Bob (maintenance and Repair Super eager to please his boss) Bob; Oh, me and my boys can get that going in five days, no sweat, chuck. Chuck: Great Get it done, I'll owe you a steak dinner. Five days later, the unit is still down because good old Bob did not do a proper evaluation- He just guessed. But, the pressure is on- He needs more help and more support from the parts department. But, he is too proud to say he needs extra help- Chuck: Hey, that thing needs to be working NOW!, Bob. I told Matha (The District Manager) it would be going, based on your word, Bob! Bob: yeah, yeah- I'm doing the best I can...but the weather- the parts didn't arrive. (Bob was a good mechanic but, he never properly evaluated jobs nor gave accurate cost estimates- He is one of those promoted well past his qualifications. But, Chuck liked him because he was such an ass kisser and "Good Ole' Boy") Chuck: Excuses- I don't need excuses, I need production! Bob: Well, it's not really ready, but, I can substitute this and that and I can put that used cable in and that old drive shaft and it might work. Chuck: I don't care how you do it! Just do it! (This management comment is used all the time in pressure situations and it does show up in court cases in settling the aftermath of disasters it causes- It is how managers think they can escape responsibility for their involvement. It's like this: chuck knows Bob is going to jury-rig the job. But, Chuck merely pushes him to do that and then walks off. Later he can say, "Well, I never told him to put that rusty pressure vessel back in the unit!" And he is technically not telling a lie. But, he knew Bob would take terribly dangerous shortcuts. What makes me mad is, often, this sly little trick works!) I get a call from one of Bob's men- "Hey, Mike- You ought to come down to location five and check this out. They're about to start that busted unit and it's gonna be a real chance. She's not ready - but Chuck is insisting on starting it up. . If it goes down again, it'll take out half the section of ..." Me: I get it,. I know how Chuck is. We've been down this old road before- I'll be down there. Later, I get to the unit and talk to Bob: Me: So, what's going on Bob? I hear you are taking shortcuts just to get this old thing going. Bob: (Defensive); Hey, don't talk to me- Chuck is all up my ass to get it going. I tried to tell him, it might be better to wait for the parts. This jury-rigging shit can get someone killed! But, he's got Martha breathing down his neck- So, go take it up with him. All I know is, I have to get it up and running any way I can. Me: No, I'm telling you right now- If this unit is not ready to go safely, It does not go. Understand? If you turn it on and something happens, you are the one responsible, no one else. You told me it is unsafe to start and so now I am telling you- It does not start until it is safe! Period. Bob (throws his hand in the air, puts his tools down and calls off his men): Okay- fine. Suits me. But, when Chuck hears, your ass will be done! (I ignore his little threat and see that inwardly, bob is quite relieved- He knew better but simply could not stand up to chuck's bullying. This is why direct supervision in tight situations on the job is vital to prevent disasters. But, it seldom happens. Managers desperately seek plausible deniability- "I was just too busy with a sales event to be there!" It's all Bull shit! I go immediately to see chuck- he meets me in the parking lot- and he is really mad. Bob has already called him and told him "what a jerk" I was about it all- Chuck (cussing): [The gist is, he is very unhappy with me and tells me to get my ass in the front office and explain all this shit to Martha- who, of course, he has already given his side of things- trying to protect his own ass. And Martha is a 'Decisive Action' Promotion- you know what that means, right? She has never worked a day in the oil field.]. I go in to see Martha, Chuck is stomping in after me. Martha: So, you stopped the unit from going online? Me: yes I did and it will stay offline until it is safe to operate. Martha: You do realize the whole district will lose the quarterly bonus. People are going to be really pissed at your for that. Me: How pissed will they be at you if the unit starts up and kills someone when you knew it was unsafe to start it up? Marth is silent- backs down, knowing even if she called corporate and told them I was keeping the unit offline because of safety reason, they would be unhappy with her, not me. That call would establish a chain of evidence they could not explain to the insurance underwriter if something happened with a hasty, unsafe start-up. Martha: After thinking it over, of course, you are right, Mike. And thanks for stepping in. You are just doing your job. (Inwardly, she is furious with me- to her, I just cost her several thousand dollars in quarterly bonus money- the working field men would have only received a few hundred dollars of QB. Chuck would lose at least a thousand as a production manager. As a Safety Supervisor, I stood to lose about $500.00 myself) Chuck: Okay- that's how it is going to be. I'll call Bob and tell him to do his best- and wait for the new parts. (stares dagger at me- stomps out). The unit was up and running safely in only two more days, no one was hurt. And, we actually did make our bonus for that quarter with better production for the rest of the month. That's how my life was- mostly hated by just about everyone. But, I refused to compromise because that is why the company had established a Safety Department int he first place. But, when new corporate Big Shots took over the next year, I was first on the lay-off list. Chuck and Martha did not even say goodbye to me. That's how this stupid shit happens and how people get killed and millions of dollars in damages happen- Because good safety programs and good Safety Officers are way too expensive! And that is how I bet this Chemical Plant disaster happened and made two widows and no telling how many kids would grow up without Dads and good financial support. It happens all the time! And it really is senseless!
@@sup2069 Ultimately, that company was sold to a competitor and most of the old employees were let go. The oilfield suffered some serious collapse and a tremendous number of people had to find work in other areas. Although the oil boom is back now and Fracking is the salvation of revitalizing the hundreds of thousands of old wells, many of those companies and even new ones are back to the good times. But, the company I worked for is long dead.
@@acadman4322 What's up ACADMan? I interacted with you on a Deepwater Horizon video. It sounds like you know your shit. I don't have a bunch of knowledge beyond offshore drilling but what I do know is that corporations will do anything to save a buck or two. It is shitty but it's the reality. Human lives are worth less than the company's bottom line.
@@intsoccersuperstar1 The problem is the whole corporate mindset- it is the meme, the system itself. Now, do not get me misunderstood on that statement. I am highly pro-Capitalist. But, when these type accidents are fully analyzed, without all the political, CEO survivalist, lawyer crap tossed into the mix- I mean really objectively hashed through, you find out the accident almost always can be traced right up through the whole structure of the organization. Look at the incentive systems involved. Bonuses and other individual 'rewards', like promotions and comps, are based entirely on production and profit for the organization. That, in itself, is not a bad thing because the company has to survive in order to be doing any good. But, survival on the necks of the people working there is not good at all. Here is the center of the problem. So far, no one has been able to find a way to show the Board of Directors, the CEO, or the stockholders the actual saving in fewer accidents. Any accounting agency who presented a P&L statement showing such a thing would be laughed out of the room or investigated by the SEc for cooking the books. Such figures are based on actuarials from insurance companies that show comparisons across a wide industry standard. Take mining, for example- Of all the like mines (say coal), there were (I'm showing examples, not actual figures) 3.4 deaths per 100,000 workers over last year - and $30,000 in property and equipment losses per 1000 workers due to accidents) . they plug those facts into the experience per company and evaluate how well a given company does over the next year- Insurance premiums are calculated against such figures- thus the accountant can say, how much a company saved or spent on insurance premiums based on the safety record- This amounts to a pittance of the overall operating cost- perhaps 3% of the profit margin went up in smoke due to accidents that resulted in int he higher insurance rate- thus your safety program budget is constantly evaluated against those figures alone. Believe me - if it were not for OSHA and other Federal and State safety regulations across the industry, safety department budgets would be slashed to the bare bones - because safety costs money that comes straight out of the profit column. But, as long as the cost is industry-wide, it is not overly concerning because it has a small effect on the competitive edge. But, take, as an example, the Bhopal, India Union Carbide accident in 1982- almost 4,000 people were killed and 16,000 injured, some for life, and the company paid about $1billion in settlements (in 2017 dollars). If the Union Carbide Corp CEOs and investors could have foreseen that enormous cost in lives and hard-earned profit would they have invested much, much more in their maintenance and safety departments? And, when the investigation into the accident was completed and peeled back from all the Bull Shit lawyer and corporate crap, it was revealed the company was not only a safety disaster, it was a deliberate safety disaster- the rot had been going on for many years! Why are such things allowed to go on? Where were the underwriter's inspections and the government inspector's reports? Then, you must also wonder why so few people were criminally prosecuted (7 local UCC employees and supervisors were eventually found guilty of negligent homicide and were fined and sentenced to two years prison time each- all basically underlings sacrificed to protect the real culprits- 3,700 human beings, of all ages, dead over broad corporate negligence and profit taking- 7 guys get a slap on the wrist). So- the solution: First, what is wrong with criminal prosecutions? Politics, that's what- CEO's and BOD's donate huge bucks to the pols- so that's not gonna' happen. Instead, a new way of assessing risk and loss needs to be developed. I call it the "Crystal Ball" accounting program. A whole new science of loss prevention/risk assessment needs to be invested in, perhaps first in the universities. A new way of evaluating the real (truthful) industry-wide losses has to be created. Take, for example, the calculation if P&L accountants included the massive costs of such disaster as Exxon Valdize, The Deepwater Horizon, the Bhopal India UCC disaster, 3 Mile Island nuclear disaster, the Japanese Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, the Chernobyl nuclear disaster and the The Banqiao Dam Disaster, China (1975) all into account, along with the many other great-to-medium and small industrial disasters. Instead, the whole corporate/insurance/governmental system treats these mega-disasters as if they were 'anomalies" or "Acts of God"- as if they were all just part of doing business in the modern world. If such full-scale calculations were involved, I can assure you, safety departments, underwriter's inspection, governmental inspections, and oversight, would be far more effective and funded. My experience in the enforcement, training, and supervision of safety in the oil field gave me special insight merely because I took the job quite seriously. Although I was frustrated in not being allowed to do the best possible job by the very company that depends on me to prevent accidents, I constantly sought to understand why the situation was not much, much better. I came to the belief, the whole structure of the profit, corporate system has got to be changed or we will never do much better than we do now.
Every operation should have a checklist SIGNED OFF by each worker performing an action, and by inspectors as required. It's good enough for aviation, it's good enough for industry.
@@snarkylive Yes it does... but you need to compare apples to apples. A few hundred deaths per year over the entire aviation industry is really nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of people who fly per year. There is no flawless industry.
Unfortunately these accidents are going to become more common. There are less skilled operators now and they are functioning under less skilled management. Along with very little governmental oversight its a recipe for disaster. Very few sites get inspected until an accident occurs.
@@arsonarson8364 There are less skilled people everywhere due to the increased reliance on curriculum guided, paper based post-secondary "education". Companies would rather have future employers get a degree/certificate than train the employees themselves. Future employees get an "education" where they simply work towards a piece of paper and learn very little information, as the information isn't tailored for their specific position meaning most of it is irrelevant. This irrelevance combined with not using the information right away ensures it will be forgotten. Despite this fact, companies expect new employees that have gotten their "education" to know how to do their jobs, leading to new employees struggling to figure their jobs out as they're performing them.
@@7_31_73 those kinds disasters aren't juicy or entertaining at you clearly have no idea that peop lose their lives due to stuff like that how is that entertaining to see something like that get really chaotic
Work absolutely by the book make lots of money, Skip a few things and cross fingers and the managers can report even more money to the shareholders. I bet lots of industrial accidents can be blamed on trying to shave hours of work to make more money. Sadly industrial history across the world is layered with accidents from loss of life to environmental destruction all in the same of saving a few pennies.
@@doug112244 And the people actually approving the orders never face the music, Imagine if just like the captain of a ship the C-Level executives were responsible for the actions caused by their business decisions.
Multiple chemical plants in and around Charleston, WV. This site was previously Union Carbide. My Father worked in the MIC unit in the 1970s and 1980s. He didn't survive into the 1990s. To the west about 10 or 15 miles, was Monsanto in Nitro, WV. Back to east of old Carbide plant about 20 miles, DuPont plant. All 3 companies are located on the Kanawha river. Area was always referred to as Chemical Valley.
Yeah, you have a state that has no real concern for the saftey of its people, workers or the environment. Not a suprise that there are a lot of videos from the chemical saftey board on that reigon.
Before I changed careers I was a operator for one of the largest chemical companies in the world. Green operators most of the time start as outside operators. It’s extremely dangerous. You are putting your life into the hands and decisions of the control room operator and unit supervision. I’m really happy I got away from chemical plants and refineries.
@@sbrmilitia I am currently in school for process technology and now I am rethinking my career. Do I trust an operator enough that I would go and investigate a problem vessel? So many of these videos from the UCSB website makes me want to rethink going into this career. Also, I heard people who repair elevators and escalators make bank as well. How much are you getting paid?
I remember that night pretty well. I lived in South Charleston. Woke up to the boom and looked out the window and saw a huge orange explosion cloud lighting up the sky. Never seen anything like it.
Quite apart from the explosion and the consequences, has anyone carried out long term health studies on the students at the university? 3+ years next to a pesticide plant has to be a risk. Not to mention the health of any nearby residents.
I listened to the first few words and was SHOCKED at the conditions the operators were 'forced' into. One problem is that the people who normally operate the equipment seem not to be properly licensed by the government to say "No" to operating equipment that is not calibrated and checked out properly and the paperwork completed. This is EXACTLY what the CNSC (nuclear safety commission) insists on before the equipment can be operated in licensed nuclear establishments, and the same regulations need to be applied here. Thorough calibrations and checkouts by someone other than the people who did the work, before the shift supervisor can accept that the equipment may be safely operated and put into production. And it makes perfect sense. Particular problems here seems to start with the absence of a "clear the area" alarm at the tank, an insufficient number of trained control room operators on duty, insufficient government regulation or enforcement of startup checks and procedures, combined with a really bad management attitude toward safety. Since one does not plan fire department crews based on 'nothing happening' but on what is needed to cover typical emergencies, it's obvious to me that the control room could have used another operator. The needless death of the two remote operators is most tragic and makes me distinctly ill.
To be fair to the operator; Between the uncalibrated equipment and the usual lack of sensors, it's quite likely that he had no idea what was happening in that tank. The alarms were possibly still on their default priority-levels and error-code names, so the tank overheating would be one of a dozen soundless popups saying "ERR0031 - SEE OPERATOR MANUAL".
These videos make me think of the times I had to do things unsafely just to get the job done it makes me mad my life could have been lost so my boss could make a few Benjamin's like my life is worth less than that to them
Looking at this site today the majority of it seems be be dismantled. Clearly at one point it occupied most of the total area. A legacy of takeovers and production consolidation. That leads to new owners inheriting problems and not wanting to spend money or taking over effective safety and maintenance programs and dumbing them down to their own corporate standards.
It was a extreme tragic incident of the century. Govt. gives false statistics. It was more then 300000 innocent people killed and more then 1500000 were injured. The whole city was affected over the period of time.
And I’m going to bet people argued against installing that mesh. Quotes unfold: personal experience is not a reliable source. No offense. Still a staggering body count. Heavier than air while they slept. oron61: Really dont know? Most/all are very poor, moving isnt an option, no legal representation, weak government vs powerful company. Notice how there are no refineries/toxic waste dumps in Beverly hills or the Hamptons. Union Carbide hid and lied about the danger, cant run from what you dont know about. Chernobyl's radiation spread over much of Europe making it hard to cover up. The stigma of a nuclear disaster, esp during the cold war attracted a lot of attention.
related does no necessarily prove anything. Larvin (thiodicarb) is bis oxime carbamate, somewhat different that carbaryl. Given your questionable knowledge, I hope they didn't let you handle chemicals at the plant
Hm, this vessel is over safety limits for pressure, maybe I should send people over to the tank that's critically over pressure and filled with flammable and toxic materials. Yeah, that's the right call.
Of course its the reason, why deal with waste when you can just dump it in the river? It wont kill us, only our children down the road! No worries if it doesnt affect us now right :)
Union Carbide installed the plant, you half-bakes mcdonalds french fry drenched in melted keyboard residue and divorce papers plus milk and then roasted until crisp.
When you're dealing with dangerous substances, you must be sure you know what you're doing, but when you can't do a visual check (because you can't see into the hardware), you'd better be d**n sure you know exactly what's going on inside there!
The executives were not prosecuted nor were local managers for manslaughter. Not it the US were preventable deaths are called colloidal damage and the justice system puts a dollar figure on lives.
I HATE hearing when these guys die. My uncle works in these kinds of facilities and it honestly scares the piss out of me whenever he tells me about whacky shit that he sees. Poor fellas.
Permit to work, this is the first thing to go out the window on a brake down. Iv been at places where they piss you about for an hour or two before you get the Permit. BUT as I said on a brake down its out the window. Usually its the production manager leading you to the faulty bit of kit. Not me, like I said this one company liked to piss about before you got the Permit, I got a call about a brake down, I arrived on site and the maintenance guy is waiting , I get out the van and his first words are ^ you know where it is crack on". You can see he has had it in the neck of production. My first words are " yes I do, have you done the Permit, NO NO just crack on, I don't think so, I sat here for two hours 6 months ago waiting for a Permit and NOW I can just crackk on. NO PERMIT no work.
As a retired union industrial painter working in chemical plants is what I disliked the most. Rubbertown in Louisville, and refineries near Houston Texas. They are some scary and dangerous places to work. I imagine there are many other's around the US and the world. They always seem to be located on major waterways, and around high population area's. An accident waiting to happen. They stink.
They need access to water for chemical reactions, coolant, etc. Its easier to site it by a river and use the water there than to pipe water in. Also, in the old days they would dump the waste into the river
I remember the Kanawha river being orange, there were 3 smells you learned living here sulpher,chlorine, and worms.and as kids we learned what all the whistles at the plants meant.the bug truck would spray ddt in the summer and us kids would ride our bikes thru the cloud lol thats before and while the interstate was being built in late 60's early 70's and gas was like 39 or 40 cents a gallon.
"By 10pm the temperature was beginning to reach the safety limit." Too bad they didn't have like a High Temp Alarm or something... Look at me... thinking of crazy sci-fi stuff like that.
I'm sure they do have a high-temp alarm. Yeah, it's right here, amongst a dozen other near-identical popups: "ERR0032 - SEE OPERATOR MANUAL" ...Huh. I guess they maybe should have calibrated the equipment properly before using it.
I bypassed a pressure switch on an industrial heated pressure washer. The switch controlled the burner and would kick it on when you hit the trigger on the spray gun. The switch was broken so i bypassed it which made the burner run nonstop. After a rapid, sudden release of burning hot water and steam... I dont bypass shit anymore lol that shit is there for a reason.
I've met "This Operator" at other Plants before... those people who should NEVER have been given that much responsibility because no matter how much you train them, they just don't have a CLUE about what's going on. The last such "Operator" only got FIRED after she had done SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSANDS of Dollars in damage FOR THE SECOND TIME... the Industry needs to do a better job of weeding these INCOMPETENT FOOLS out of the Control Rooms.
Who in the hell authorized a heavily populated university to be built next to a chemical pesticide plant? This was a potential disaster in the making well before the accident occurred.
The same accident happened in Bhopal, India in Union Carbide plant/factory. Killed more then 300000 and injured more then 1500000. Document on this tragic accident also. Needs world media attention as still so many chemical still left then even after 30 years.
@@quotesunfold did a quick Google search, death toll estimate seems to be from 3700 to 10k. Not to downplay the tragedy, but do you have a source for the 300k figure?
@@BoeingsNo1Hitman Google and Real History is two different perspective. Google is based on secondary data based on fabricated news propagated by government which is not always right. I hope you'll get the answer. Ground level situation is always different.
It almost like we as humans are to stupid to operate our chemical plants safely and we humans are the ones who pay the price We are so used to false alarms that general incompetnce and overcofortability of the equipment ends in fatalities. this pretty much killed my dreams of ever working in any chemical engineering careers just because a plant control board supervisor was incompetent enough to willingly ignore runnaway temp alarms throughout a new program startup witch resulted in fatality
Their website talks about how green and eco-friendly they are, how they protect the environment and are fighting climate change. HA! This video shows otherwise.
Based on my math, since methyl isocianate has a density of ~7.7028 lbs/gallon, and there’s roughly 13,700 lbs in there, that’s 1778.8 gallons, meaning the storage tank is only a little over 25% full, it could have been way more catastrophic if the tank was even 50%, 75%, or all the way full at 100%. 😳
plants like this need a shit load of water for heating and cooling and the river is an option for this. obviously they can put stuff in the river, but in the us and europe, the standarts for chemical plants are very high and no bad chemicals ever leave the plant. they are burned, neutralized or collected. It is pretty expensive though
So, Bayer got away with it, as they always do. Perhaps we should stop looking at the political show, which is only diverging us from looking at the real dangers.
Blame the operator. Engineers and mngmt stay safe from blame. Do you really think an operator will willingly place themselves and public in harms way? Let’s talk about “ new” board equipment. Outside operators are always at fault, it cannot be technology
Snarky . Live They are hiring associate degree graduates at my plant. They and engineers cannot pore the urine out of their boots. Yet? They have had “ college” education. Sadly, we think that “ degrees” are important
I just got to say that if I'm a welder doing ANY HOT work at all in an area that can kill me or other's you can bet your ass I'm checking anything everything that can go wrong because if it can happen it will happen .. Murphy's law baby .. So it's 100% the responsibility of the Man doing the hot work to make 100% Damned sure his slag Or hot sparks do NOT ignite a hell storm ..The Men who do not and take the word of someone else get what they get ..I'm sorry it might sound cruel But hey people come on ...Were talking about extremely dangerous work , If you don't respect it ,,,I'm telling you it will kill you ...How long would it have taken to find out exactly what your welding over and can it be ignited accidentally if that answer is YES .. Well then guess what ..Get someone else..
I know what happened. There is no proof of it. but, I have been in some very similar situations in the oil field as a Safety Supervisor and had to intervene to prevent a serious accident- much to the anger of production supervisors and District managers. It always starts with seemingly innocent human miscalculations. I'll make my presentation in a script format:
Chuck (Production manager): I need this unit back online as soon as possible. How quickly can you get going for me, Bob (maintenance and Repair Super eager to please his boss)
Bob; Oh, me and my boys can get that going in five days, no sweat, chuck.
Chuck: Great Get it done, I'll owe you a steak dinner.
Five days later, the unit is still down because good old Bob did not do a proper evaluation- He just guessed. But, the pressure is on- He needs more help and more support from the parts department. But, he is too proud to say he needs extra help-
Chuck: Hey, that thing needs to be working NOW!, Bob. I told Matha (The District Manager) it would be going, based on your word, Bob!
Bob: yeah, yeah- I'm doing the best I can...but the weather- the parts didn't arrive. (Bob was a good mechanic but, he never properly evaluated jobs nor gave accurate cost estimates- He is one of those promoted well past his qualifications. But, Chuck liked him because he was such an ass kisser and "Good Ole' Boy")
Chuck: Excuses- I don't need excuses, I need production!
Bob: Well, it's not really ready, but, I can substitute this and that and I can put that used cable in and that old drive shaft and it might work.
Chuck: I don't care how you do it! Just do it! (This management comment is used all the time in pressure situations and it does show up in court cases in settling the aftermath of disasters it causes- It is how managers think they can escape responsibility for their involvement. It's like this: chuck knows Bob is going to jury-rig the job. But, Chuck merely pushes him to do that and then walks off. Later he can say, "Well, I never told him to put that rusty pressure vessel back in the unit!" And he is technically not telling a lie. But, he knew Bob would take terribly dangerous shortcuts. What makes me mad is, often, this sly little trick works!)
I get a call from one of Bob's men- "Hey, Mike- You ought to come down to location five and check this out. They're about to start that busted unit and it's gonna be a real chance. She's not ready - but Chuck is insisting on starting it up. . If it goes down again, it'll take out half the section of ..."
Me: I get it,. I know how Chuck is. We've been down this old road before- I'll be down there.
Later, I get to the unit and talk to Bob:
Me: So, what's going on Bob? I hear you are taking shortcuts just to get this old thing going.
Bob: (Defensive); Hey, don't talk to me- Chuck is all up my ass to get it going. I tried to tell him, it might be better to wait for the parts. This jury-rigging shit can get someone killed! But, he's got Martha breathing down his neck- So, go take it up with him. All I know is, I have to get it up and running any way I can.
Me: No, I'm telling you right now- If this unit is not ready to go safely, It does not go. Understand? If you turn it on and something happens, you are the one responsible, no one else. You told me it is unsafe to start and so now I am telling you- It does not start until it is safe! Period.
Bob (throws his hand in the air, puts his tools down and calls off his men): Okay- fine. Suits me. But, when Chuck hears, your ass will be done! (I ignore his little threat and see that inwardly, bob is quite relieved- He knew better but simply could not stand up to chuck's bullying. This is why direct supervision in tight situations on the job is vital to prevent disasters. But, it seldom happens. Managers desperately seek plausible deniability- "I was just too busy with a sales event to be there!" It's all Bull shit!
I go immediately to see chuck- he meets me in the parking lot- and he is really mad. Bob has already called him and told him "what a jerk" I was about it all-
Chuck (cussing): [The gist is, he is very unhappy with me and tells me to get my ass in the front office and explain all this shit to Martha- who, of course, he has already given his side of things- trying to protect his own ass. And Martha is a 'Decisive Action' Promotion- you know what that means, right? She has never worked a day in the oil field.].
I go in to see Martha, Chuck is stomping in after me.
Martha: So, you stopped the unit from going online?
Me: yes I did and it will stay offline until it is safe to operate.
Martha: You do realize the whole district will lose the quarterly bonus. People are going to be really pissed at your for that.
Me: How pissed will they be at you if the unit starts up and kills someone when you knew it was unsafe to start it up?
Marth is silent- backs down, knowing even if she called corporate and told them I was keeping the unit offline because of safety reason, they would be unhappy with her, not me. That call would establish a chain of evidence they could not explain to the insurance underwriter if something happened with a hasty, unsafe start-up.
Martha: After thinking it over, of course, you are right, Mike. And thanks for stepping in. You are just doing your job. (Inwardly, she is furious with me- to her, I just cost her several thousand dollars in quarterly bonus money- the working field men would have only received a few hundred dollars of QB. Chuck would lose at least a thousand as a production manager. As a Safety Supervisor, I stood to lose about $500.00 myself)
Chuck: Okay- that's how it is going to be. I'll call Bob and tell him to do his best- and wait for the new parts. (stares dagger at me- stomps out).
The unit was up and running safely in only two more days, no one was hurt. And, we actually did make our bonus for that quarter with better production for the rest of the month.
That's how my life was- mostly hated by just about everyone. But, I refused to compromise because that is why the company had established a Safety Department int he first place. But, when new corporate Big Shots took over the next year, I was first on the lay-off list. Chuck and Martha did not even say goodbye to me.
That's how this stupid shit happens and how people get killed and millions of dollars in damages happen- Because good safety programs and good Safety Officers are way too expensive!
And that is how I bet this Chemical Plant disaster happened and made two widows and no telling how many kids would grow up without Dads and good financial support. It happens all the time! And it really is senseless!
What ever happened later there?
@@sup2069 Ultimately, that company was sold to a competitor and most of the old employees were let go. The oilfield suffered some serious collapse and a tremendous number of people had to find work in other areas. Although the oil boom is back now and Fracking is the salvation of revitalizing the hundreds of thousands of old wells, many of those companies and even new ones are back to the good times. But, the company I worked for is long dead.
@@acadman4322 What's up ACADMan? I interacted with you on a Deepwater Horizon video. It sounds like you know your shit. I don't have a bunch of knowledge beyond offshore drilling but what I do know is that corporations will do anything to save a buck or two. It is shitty but it's the reality. Human lives are worth less than the company's bottom line.
ACADMan maybe the best post on CZcams I’ve ever read.
So we know the problem. What’s the solution?
@@intsoccersuperstar1 The problem is the whole corporate mindset- it is the meme, the system itself.
Now, do not get me misunderstood on that statement. I am highly pro-Capitalist. But, when these type accidents are fully analyzed, without all the political, CEO survivalist, lawyer crap tossed into the mix- I mean really objectively hashed through, you find out the accident almost always can be traced right up through the whole structure of the organization.
Look at the incentive systems involved. Bonuses and other individual 'rewards', like promotions and comps, are based entirely on production and profit for the organization. That, in itself, is not a bad thing because the company has to survive in order to be doing any good. But, survival on the necks of the people working there is not good at all.
Here is the center of the problem. So far, no one has been able to find a way to show the Board of Directors, the CEO, or the stockholders the actual saving in fewer accidents. Any accounting agency who presented a P&L statement showing such a thing would be laughed out of the room or investigated by the SEc for cooking the books. Such figures are based on actuarials from insurance companies that show comparisons across a wide industry standard. Take mining, for example- Of all the like mines (say coal), there were (I'm showing examples, not actual figures) 3.4 deaths per 100,000 workers over last year - and $30,000 in property and equipment losses per 1000 workers due to accidents) . they plug those facts into the experience per company and evaluate how well a given company does over the next year- Insurance premiums are calculated against such figures- thus the accountant can say, how much a company saved or spent on insurance premiums based on the safety record- This amounts to a pittance of the overall operating cost- perhaps 3% of the profit margin went up in smoke due to accidents that resulted in int he higher insurance rate- thus your safety program budget is constantly evaluated against those figures alone. Believe me - if it were not for OSHA and other Federal and State safety regulations across the industry, safety department budgets would be slashed to the bare bones - because safety costs money that comes straight out of the profit column. But, as long as the cost is industry-wide, it is not overly concerning because it has a small effect on the competitive edge.
But, take, as an example, the Bhopal, India Union Carbide accident in 1982- almost 4,000 people were killed and 16,000 injured, some for life, and the company paid about $1billion in settlements (in 2017 dollars). If the Union Carbide Corp CEOs and investors could have foreseen that enormous cost in lives and hard-earned profit would they have invested much, much more in their maintenance and safety departments? And, when the investigation into the accident was completed and peeled back from all the Bull Shit lawyer and corporate crap, it was revealed the company was not only a safety disaster, it was a deliberate safety disaster- the rot had been going on for many years!
Why are such things allowed to go on? Where were the underwriter's inspections and the government inspector's reports? Then, you must also wonder why so few people were criminally prosecuted (7 local UCC employees and supervisors were eventually found guilty of negligent homicide and were fined and sentenced to two years prison time each- all basically underlings sacrificed to protect the real culprits- 3,700 human beings, of all ages, dead over broad corporate negligence and profit taking- 7 guys get a slap on the wrist).
So- the solution:
First, what is wrong with criminal prosecutions? Politics, that's what- CEO's and BOD's donate huge bucks to the pols- so that's not gonna' happen. Instead, a new way of assessing risk and loss needs to be developed. I call it the "Crystal Ball" accounting program. A whole new science of loss prevention/risk assessment needs to be invested in, perhaps first in the universities. A new way of evaluating the real (truthful) industry-wide losses has to be created. Take, for example, the calculation if P&L accountants included the massive costs of such disaster as Exxon Valdize, The Deepwater Horizon, the Bhopal India UCC disaster, 3 Mile Island nuclear disaster, the Japanese Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, the Chernobyl nuclear disaster and the The Banqiao Dam Disaster, China (1975) all into account, along with the many other great-to-medium and small industrial disasters. Instead, the whole corporate/insurance/governmental system treats these mega-disasters as if they were 'anomalies" or "Acts of God"- as if they were all just part of doing business in the modern world. If such full-scale calculations were involved, I can assure you, safety departments, underwriter's inspection, governmental inspections, and oversight, would be far more effective and funded.
My experience in the enforcement, training, and supervision of safety in the oil field gave me special insight merely because I took the job quite seriously. Although I was frustrated in not being allowed to do the best possible job by the very company that depends on me to prevent accidents, I constantly sought to understand why the situation was not much, much better. I came to the belief, the whole structure of the profit, corporate system has got to be changed or we will never do much better than we do now.
Every operation should have a checklist SIGNED OFF by each worker performing an action, and by inspectors as required. It's good enough for aviation, it's good enough for industry.
@@snarkylive Yes it does... but you need to compare apples to apples. A few hundred deaths per year over the entire aviation industry is really nothing compared to the hundreds of millions of people who fly per year. There is no flawless industry.
Unfortunately these accidents are going to become more common. There are less skilled operators now and they are functioning under less skilled management. Along with very little governmental oversight its a recipe for disaster. Very few sites get inspected until an accident occurs.
@@arsonarson8364 There are less skilled people everywhere due to the increased reliance on curriculum guided, paper based post-secondary "education". Companies would rather have future employers get a degree/certificate than train the employees themselves. Future employees get an "education" where they simply work towards a piece of paper and learn very little information, as the information isn't tailored for their specific position meaning most of it is irrelevant. This irrelevance combined with not using the information right away ensures it will be forgotten.
Despite this fact, companies expect new employees that have gotten their "education" to know how to do their jobs, leading to new employees struggling to figure their jobs out as they're performing them.
Na...we need a juicy disaster now and then
@@7_31_73 those kinds disasters aren't juicy or entertaining at you clearly have no idea that peop lose their lives due to stuff like that how is that entertaining to see something like that get really chaotic
Why do so many of these videos involve the phrases “work around” or “bypass the safety system”?
You forgot one. "The alarm was silenced and work continued as normal"
or "entered a password"
“The safety sensor failed”
"A team of external contractors"
Because using these phrases sounds better than "Employee was irresponsible"!
Them pesky safety procedures...but they're just optional, right? Nothing's going to happen if we just ignore them...
The problem is that bad shit doesn't happen every time the are ignored so people confuse being lucky with being good.
Work absolutely by the book make lots of money, Skip a few things and cross fingers and the managers can report even more money to the shareholders. I bet lots of industrial accidents can be blamed on trying to shave hours of work to make more money. Sadly industrial history across the world is layered with accidents from loss of life to environmental destruction all in the same of saving a few pennies.
@@doug112244 And the people actually approving the orders never face the music, Imagine if just like the captain of a ship the C-Level executives were responsible for the actions caused by their business decisions.
Multiple chemical plants in and around Charleston, WV. This site was previously Union Carbide. My Father worked in the MIC unit in the 1970s and 1980s. He didn't survive into the 1990s. To the west about 10 or 15 miles, was Monsanto in Nitro, WV. Back to east of old Carbide plant about 20 miles, DuPont plant. All 3 companies are located on the Kanawha river. Area was always referred to as Chemical Valley.
best boofer shitting hell!
I drive through Charleston twice a week get fuel at Nitro!
Dam never knew this
Union Carbide and Methyl Isocyanate? Never a good mix.
I've driven through there many times. Along I-64 right? Just chemical plants and refineries for what seems like miles.
Yeah, you have a state that has no real concern for the saftey of its people, workers or the environment. Not a suprise that there are a lot of videos from the chemical saftey board on that reigon.
@@TheDankEngineer don't freaking remind me! Who could forget the Bhopal disaster..... Christ in a cartoon!
Before I changed careers I was a operator for one of the largest chemical companies in the world. Green operators most of the time start as outside operators. It’s extremely dangerous. You are putting your life into the hands and decisions of the control room operator and unit supervision. I’m really happy I got away from chemical plants and refineries.
do you do watch repeir now?
@@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu i repair and service elevator and escalators.
@@sbrmilitia I am currently in school for process technology and now I am rethinking my career. Do I trust an operator enough that I would go and investigate a problem vessel? So many of these videos from the UCSB website makes me want to rethink going into this career. Also, I heard people who repair elevators and escalators make bank as well. How much are you getting paid?
I remember that night pretty well. I lived in South Charleston. Woke up to the boom and looked out the window and saw a huge orange explosion cloud lighting up the sky. Never seen anything like it.
My friend works at a BCS plant. Every now and then I send her this video to remind her that I'm still jealous she works at a bomb.
Quite apart from the explosion and the consequences, has anyone carried out long term health studies on the students at the university? 3+ years next to a pesticide plant has to be a risk. Not to mention the health of any nearby residents.
See how high those flames were at the end? Damn man...
Bayer strikes again.
“U filled it with solvent right?”
“I thought you filled it”
(3:12)
O.O
Bayer: "oopsie poopsie!"
government: "aww I can't stay mad at you"
I listened to the first few words and was SHOCKED at the conditions the operators were 'forced' into. One problem is that the people who normally operate the equipment seem not to be properly licensed by the government to say "No" to operating equipment that is not calibrated and checked out properly and the paperwork completed. This is EXACTLY what the CNSC (nuclear safety commission) insists on before the equipment can be operated in licensed nuclear establishments, and the same regulations need to be applied here. Thorough calibrations and checkouts by someone other than the people who did the work, before the shift supervisor can accept that the equipment may be safely operated and put into production. And it makes perfect sense. Particular problems here seems to start with the absence of a "clear the area" alarm at the tank, an insufficient number of trained control room operators on duty, insufficient government regulation or enforcement of startup checks and procedures, combined with a really bad management attitude toward safety. Since one does not plan fire department crews based on 'nothing happening' but on what is needed to cover typical emergencies, it's obvious to me that the control room could have used another operator. The needless death of the two remote operators is most tragic and makes me distinctly ill.
A pesticide plant on a river? What could possibly go wrong?
I can't believe the guy mistook the alarm for clogged vent pipe. He sent those two trades guys to their deaths.
To be fair to the operator; Between the uncalibrated equipment and the usual lack of sensors, it's quite likely that he had no idea what was happening in that tank. The alarms were possibly still on their default priority-levels and error-code names, so the tank overheating would be one of a dozen soundless popups saying "ERR0031 - SEE OPERATOR MANUAL".
I see your every video because it provide some necessary information about safety measures
binge watching these late night idk why
It feels like a lot of this channel's featured incidents take place in West Virginia. As a West Virginian, I fully understand why
These videos make me think of the times I had to do things unsafely just to get the job done it makes me mad my life could have been lost so my boss could make a few Benjamin's like my life is worth less than that to them
Looking at this site today the majority of it seems be be dismantled. Clearly at one point it occupied most of the total area. A legacy of takeovers and production consolidation. That leads to new owners inheriting problems and not wanting to spend money or taking over effective safety and maintenance programs and dumbing them down to their own corporate standards.
Big crop science plant in KCMO now after bayer bought monsanto
13,700 pounds of Methyl isocyanate...e.g..the same stuff that was involved in the Bhopal disaster. Thank big baby Jesus for the protective mesh.
It was a extreme tragic incident of the century. Govt. gives false statistics. It was more then 300000 innocent people killed and more then 1500000 were injured. The whole city was affected over the period of time.
Me and my whole family itself is affected by MIC gas leak explosion. It's just like invisible tsunami.
Don't know why people live there with the residues and aftereffects. Perhaps they didn't want the town to look like Pripyat.
And I’m going to bet people argued against installing that mesh.
Quotes unfold: personal experience is not a reliable source. No offense.
Still a staggering body count. Heavier than air while they slept.
oron61: Really dont know? Most/all are very poor, moving isnt an option, no legal representation, weak government vs powerful company. Notice how there are no refineries/toxic waste dumps in Beverly hills or the Hamptons.
Union Carbide hid and lied about the danger, cant run from what you dont know about.
Chernobyl's radiation spread over much of Europe making it hard to cover up. The stigma of a nuclear disaster, esp during the cold war attracted a lot of attention.
and the quantity in the tank at cropscience was only a sixth the amount in bhopal!
Larvin is related to another carbamate insecticide, carbaryl (marketed by Bayer as Sevin in 85g/kg wettable powder concentration).
related does no necessarily prove anything. Larvin (thiodicarb) is bis oxime carbamate, somewhat different that carbaryl. Given your questionable knowledge, I hope they didn't let you handle chemicals at the plant
Good video👍👍👍
I work there now. Lovely.
Zane D .... that’s inzane!
Did any employees tell you about this?
If you happen to hear a pressure vessel High Pressure Alert - Watch The Fuck Out!
Are you still alive or have you blown up yet?
Please be careful
what is the software that is used to animate for the creation of all these videos
I really enjoy learning from these videos BUT was the helicopter sound effect REALLY needed from 0:15 - 0:25 ?
I lived there when this happened.
Hm, this vessel is over safety limits for pressure, maybe I should send people over to the tank that's critically over pressure and filled with flammable and toxic materials. Yeah, that's the right call.
Incompetence everywhere you turn...
Bayer conveniently installed on the border of the river. Certainly this is to throw hazardous chemical by products in the River Kanawha.
Of course its the reason, why deal with waste when you can just dump it in the river? It wont kill us, only our children down the road! No worries if it doesnt affect us now right :)
Union Carbide installed the plant, you half-bakes mcdonalds french fry drenched in melted keyboard residue and divorce papers plus milk and then roasted until crisp.
@@TheDankEngineer not an argument
When you're dealing with dangerous substances, you must be sure you know what you're doing, but when you can't do a visual check (because you can't see into the hardware), you'd better be d**n sure you know exactly what's going on inside there!
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The executives were not prosecuted nor were local managers for manslaughter. Not it the US were preventable deaths are called colloidal damage and the justice system puts a dollar figure on lives.
I wouldn't have to balls to work in that environment! Idiots playing with other peoples lives to satisfy someone else's pockets...
Boy howdy, those pesky chemicals phosgene and sodium methyl mercaptide are pretty familiar guests when there's trouble *cough cough* DuPont *cough*
cannot be controlled = definition of a runaway
I HATE hearing when these guys die. My uncle works in these kinds of facilities and it honestly scares the piss out of me whenever he tells me about whacky shit that he sees. Poor fellas.
The narrator could slow down and use more pauses to be more effective I believe
Permit to work, this is the first thing to go out the window on a brake down.
Iv been at places where they piss you about for an hour or two before you get the Permit.
BUT as I said on a brake down its out the window. Usually its the production manager leading you to the faulty bit of kit.
Not me, like I said this one company liked to piss about before you got the Permit, I got a call about a brake down, I arrived on site and the maintenance guy is waiting , I get out the van and his first words are ^ you know where it is crack on". You can see he has had it in the neck of production.
My first words are " yes I do, have you done the Permit, NO NO just crack on,
I don't think so, I sat here for two hours 6 months ago waiting for a Permit and NOW I can just crackk on. NO PERMIT no work.
As a retired union industrial painter working in chemical plants is what I disliked the most. Rubbertown in Louisville, and refineries near Houston Texas. They are some scary and dangerous places to work. I imagine there are many other's around the US and the world. They always seem to be located on major waterways, and around high population area's. An accident waiting to happen. They stink.
Thankfully it did not become another Bhopal.
why are so many plants of this type on the river front?
They need access to water for chemical reactions, coolant, etc. Its easier to site it by a river and use the water there than to pipe water in. Also, in the old days they would dump the waste into the river
I remember the Kanawha river being orange, there were 3 smells you learned living here sulpher,chlorine, and worms.and as kids we learned what all the whistles at the plants meant.the bug truck would spray ddt in the summer and us kids would ride our bikes thru the cloud lol thats before and while the interstate was being built in late 60's early 70's and gas was like 39 or 40 cents a gallon.
Lobbying gets bayers a 4 minute video.
Nice. Good4u.
How ironic that by trying to make production start faster they made the production start way later
Better living through chemistry !
"By 10pm the temperature was beginning to reach the safety limit."
Too bad they didn't have like a High Temp Alarm or something... Look at me... thinking of crazy sci-fi stuff like that.
lmaoo
I'm sure they do have a high-temp alarm. Yeah, it's right here, amongst a dozen other near-identical popups:
"ERR0032 - SEE OPERATOR MANUAL"
...Huh. I guess they maybe should have calibrated the equipment properly before using it.
The thumbnail looked like a close up of a motherboard
Boy, they fucked that up like they were trying
I bypassed a pressure switch on an industrial heated pressure washer. The switch controlled the burner and would kick it on when you hit the trigger on the spray gun. The switch was broken so i bypassed it which made the burner run nonstop. After a rapid, sudden release of burning hot water and steam... I dont bypass shit anymore lol that shit is there for a reason.
Imagine how poisonous pesticide waste is?
depends on the pesticide
You cant rush safety.
And you thought they just made aspirin.
Not the same without the right voice
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What is the meaning of these squiggly lines
I hate it when they say "Fatally injured" like the're going to get better....
Fatal injuries? Is that death or are they injured? Kinda fucked up wording,either grimsley came for their ass or he didn't..
Fatal means death. If your injuries result in your death then you had fatal injuries or were fatally injured.
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hmmmm they have methylamine that's super useful for making methamphetamine according to my knowledge of science via the medium of breaking bad
i bet they have barrels of the stuff laying around
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“It is located in a populated area” and it uses large quantities of MIC. Does not sound good.
I've met "This Operator" at other Plants before... those people who should NEVER have been given that much responsibility because no matter how much you train them, they just don't have a CLUE about what's going on. The last such "Operator" only got FIRED after she had done SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSANDS of Dollars in damage FOR THE SECOND TIME... the Industry needs to do a better job of weeding these INCOMPETENT FOOLS out of the Control Rooms.
country roads
take me home
Hurry up and get the plant online. Same old story.
I love their pesticides though. Work like a charm for my extermination business.
Hopefully that doesn't happen in my town
Who in the hell authorized a heavily populated university to be built next to a chemical pesticide plant? This was a potential disaster in the making well before the accident occurred.
Actually, Carbide built the plant after the university.
Um... this is West Virginia... They're not the brightest bulbs on the tree.
MIC? Thats what killed all those Indians in Bhopal by Union Carbide. Union Carbide had a plant in Institute.
Shortcuts, push the envelope to make a buck and, oh yeah, "Safety First". Nice slogan.
Every one of these videos seems to have the same theme; the human element is the root cause of these accidents.
a bad day at work should of call in
'should of call in'
RIP English.
The same accident happened in Bhopal, India in Union Carbide plant/factory. Killed more then 300000 and injured more then 1500000. Document on this tragic accident also. Needs world media attention as still so many chemical still left then even after 30 years.
Source?
@@jtet9559 Me and my family is gas affected along with entire city of Bhopal
Newspaper article or human rights survey?
@@quotesunfold did a quick Google search, death toll estimate seems to be from 3700 to 10k. Not to downplay the tragedy, but do you have a source for the 300k figure?
@@BoeingsNo1Hitman Google and Real History is two different perspective. Google is based on secondary data based on fabricated news propagated by government which is not always right. I hope you'll get the answer. Ground level situation is always different.
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It almost like we as humans are to stupid to operate our chemical plants safely and we humans are the ones who pay the price
We are so used to false alarms that general incompetnce and overcofortability of the equipment ends in fatalities.
this pretty much killed my dreams of ever working in any chemical engineering careers just because a plant control board supervisor was incompetent enough to willingly ignore runnaway temp alarms throughout a new program startup witch resulted in fatality
Gotta make that money. Fuck your safety, just gonna bypass the safety program.
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The insects love it when humans get killed at pesticide plants.
Their website talks about how green and eco-friendly they are, how they protect the environment and are fighting climate change.
HA! This video shows otherwise.
Marketing wank
Greenwashing is important in this day and age.
Based on my math, since methyl isocianate has a density of ~7.7028 lbs/gallon, and there’s roughly 13,700 lbs in there, that’s 1778.8 gallons, meaning the storage tank is only a little over 25% full, it could have been way more catastrophic if the tank was even 50%, 75%, or all the way full at 100%. 😳
13,700 pounds in the adjacent storage tank, not the residue treater that exploded
Actually, somewhere between 24 and 26% full, apparently the density of methyl isocyanate varies depending on your information source
Phosgene and Methylamine? Fuck me dude.
Why are all chemical companies next to a river lol smh
Because they claim they need water for chemical proceses, but it's probably because they intentionally want to wreak havoc on the environment
The real question is why is it in a populated area
How funny i .was thinking the same thing when i seen this video
plants like this need a shit load of water for heating and cooling and the river is an option for this. obviously they can put stuff in the river, but in the us and europe, the standarts for chemical plants are very high and no bad chemicals ever leave the plant. they are burned, neutralized or collected. It is pretty expensive though
It's safer to ship out this stuff by water?
A good rule of thumb: Never work with materials you cannot pronounce.
That’s an awful rule
Talk about a headache
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me and the boys heading to womens shoe store in gta online
United States of America's Bhopal Gas tragedy..
This reminds me of all the people who died in Bhopal Gas Tragedy. They weren't delivered justice then, but their grievances will be recognized today.
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So, Bayer got away with it, as they always do. Perhaps we should stop looking at the political show, which is only diverging us from looking at the real dangers.
Well the government is the only one who can stop it so we're kind of going to need politics in it.
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Blame the operator. Engineers and mngmt stay safe from blame. Do you really think an operator will willingly place themselves and public in harms way? Let’s talk about “ new” board equipment. Outside operators are always at fault, it cannot be technology
Snarky . Live They are hiring associate degree graduates at my plant. They and engineers cannot pore the urine out of their boots. Yet? They have had “ college” education. Sadly, we think that “ degrees” are important
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2:56 did someone stick a finger in the narrators mouth?
maybe something else
@@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu lol
I just got to say that if I'm a welder doing ANY HOT work at all in an area that can kill me or other's you can bet your ass I'm checking anything everything that can go wrong because if it can happen it will happen .. Murphy's law baby .. So it's 100% the responsibility of the Man doing the hot work to make 100% Damned sure his slag Or hot sparks do NOT ignite a hell storm ..The Men who do not and take the word of someone else get what they get ..I'm sorry it might sound cruel But hey people come on ...Were talking about extremely dangerous work , If you don't respect it ,,,I'm telling you it will kill you ...How long would it have taken to find out exactly what your welding over and can it be ignited accidentally if that answer is YES .. Well then guess what ..Get someone else..
Bayer now own Monsanto
Bayer isn't that bad.
in fact, Bayer has greatly advanced pharmaceutical and agricultural science
Never ever move to America if you are an industrial worker
stay at Chernobyl?
Greed of money trumped safety. All operators should have had their tickets cancelled
Why do we allow chemical factories on rivers? This planet is fucked.
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