The Fastest Starship is Half Engine, The Protostar Class
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- The Protostar class Starships was first seen in Star Trek Prodigy and instantly there was a mystery around it. Launched in 2383, it was an advanced vessel capable of jumping well beyond warp 9.9 with its Proto-Warp drive which rivalled slipstream travel. It was under the command of Captain Chakotay to return to the Delta Quadrant but that mission did not go according to plan.
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00:00 Introduction
00:35 Real Origins
01:56 Protostar Project
04:41 USS Protostar
05:53 Specifications
09:07 Mission Profile
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Some starships have big engines
This big engine has a starship
"Someone had to drive the engine, and we needed them to survive... so."
So it's to engines what the A-10 Warthog is to guns.
OMG I'm laughing so damn hard right now so simple of a statement and it's the funniest and completely right on time!!
Basically. Ship built to give the engine a purpose.
indeed that Big engine look in my eyes was one inspired in the JJverse/Kelvin Timeline era by Ryan church if im not mistaken?
A ship with 3 nacelles and 3 cores built into the star drive section, also built with an arrow shaped saucer, this ship was built for speed.
The arrow shape doesn't matter, there's no air in space
@@Aragorn7884 Except it can go in atmosphere...
@@Aragorn7884 but there is that thing with warp bubble geometry where narrow profile seemingly helps a lot.
@@Aragorn7884 In a vacuum yes but when you are traveling past the speed of light dust particles are going to seem closer together but there is also a deflector that would push that aside, also this ship travels in atmosphere as well so it is going to need the aerodynamic structure but in space not so much since there is no air.
The arrow shape does matter, as its stated that the ship's geometry DOES influence slipstream drive
I think the Protostar is so fast you don't need all the comforts of home. You can just leave, or be relieved, and come back later.
This ship is basically a runabout duct-taped onto two photon torpedos with a reverse-engineered Romulan singularity drive (and by 'reverse-engineered' I mean more than half of it was invented whole cloth with a lot of Human ducttape, Tellarite swearing, Andorian doubt, and Vulcan suppressed resigned sighs).
Sorry man, but a thumbs up isn't enough to convey how much I enjoyed your flawless description.
Carry on.
Stunning ship. Really hope Prodigy gets saved.
Netflix picked it up
@@YukonWillehNetflix?
Really?
I love that little ship (instantly thought of Worf and Riker in First Contact when I typed that…Riker saying ”tough little ship” to Worf who replies “little!”) Anyway, I love the design, it’s sleek and would be a great emergency response ship for the Federation.
It's not just very unique, it's very, very unique. Not just a bit unique, or half unique.
Somewhat unique
🤔
Rather quite extremely unique.
Semi unique
@@travelswithsi8932 of all the unique things, it’s the mostest
I really hope they release the second season. It'd be a horrible shame if this great series isn't continued
Star fleet corps of engineers must really hate bridge crews. How else can you explain putting it in such an exposed place?
Generally speaking, once the shields go down it really doesn’t matter where the bridge is. Most fights end in warp core breach.
Talk to the designers of the D7 and Katinga battlecruisers first.
@@Timeward76 Klingon ships have a similar design to ships from Avatar or Horizont Event. In front, the crew section separated from the engines by a long neck, because the engines are radioactive.
Protostar is not a warship, does not need strong armor. She has a super efficient shield and structural integrity field.
Ironically, this is actually one of the few places where I think it works, because on a ship that small and so heavily devoted to engines, anything that gets through the shield and hull at all is going to be a mission kill anyway.
Voyager was faster, but could only keep up her top speed for a short time before stuff broke. Protostar can do warp 9.97 for as long as it wants. So even without their super-drive, Protostar would still win.
Wanna be Belana and Tom were part of the design team?
@@singletona082 I'm also thinking that Romulans were involved since the contained protostar seems oddly similar to the Romulan contained singularity thing
The entire ship was effectively a holodeck, I wonder why the crew quarters weren't just holographic so the crew could have anything they like in their alloted personal space and communal areas. It's not like the Protostar was short on energy with two warp cores, it would be great to have a fully customisable ship with largely invulnerable holographic security personnel and medical staff.
yeee, while the Holodeck is a great storytelling device it still runs on power and given of how often there is a poweroutage on a Starship in distress, it isn't great to have all your furniture disapear in the state of emergency. In Reality i would also say that it also cost to much energy but that was only a issue for a few VOY Episodes
Personally I wouldn't want to be sleeping and have my bed and cabin suddenly disappear because of a glitch in the holodeck... 😂
@Penfolduk001 "wow, what an interesting bedroom you have. What's that unusual couch over there for?"
"...safety protocols off..."
Have you seen how often the holodeck tries to kill people? I wouldn't want one for a bedroom.
@@enisra_bowman I think that Picard also solved the Holodeck thing with the separate, incompatible power systems because it makes sense as a place to congregate the crew and handle a LOT of things.
Hell, with the EMH, it also adds another location where you can deal with things outside of sickbay in a mass casualty or similar situation
I feel like the Protostar is actually a long-range stealth bomber dressed up to look like a scout or diplomatic vessel. Look at how it's small and difficult to track despite its insane power output, and how it's got multiple torpedo launchers even though that's very rare on Starfleet ships that are that small. I think as a design it's the Federation's strategic response to the Dominion War, able to directly counterattack an enemy home world in any part of the galaxy within a couple of days.
And then there's the part where even if you find it, you don't dare shoot if anything you care about is in the same star system.
I think one of my favourite parts of Star Trek is that is the Federation wanted to, they could conquer the galaxy. Thankfully they are peaceful and dedicated to their enlightened goals that this does not occur.
A federation science vessel is a match for a battlecruiser of most other nations. Imagine being a Klingon and having to cope that your state of the art warships are on par with fucking diplomatic transports!
I think starfleet learned it's lesson in making it's whole fleet pure explorer ships thanks to the dominion war. Without shields, federation ships never lasted long, and their weapons seemed to favor precision and versatility over power. Now their ships have the weapons and armor to go toe-to-toe with any threat while still staying true to their explorer roots.
you have to remember, those explorer vessels held, at various times, the romulans, klingons, the dominion, and even the borg, at bay. a galaxy class cruiser had upwards of 14 phaser banks and 2-4 photon torpedo launchers (depending on which source you go by). that is not a light loadout.
Nahh, it's just a high speed scientific survey scout vessel that could double as a long range hyper velocity bomber if anyone cared to.
I do like the smaller vessels. They feel more real in a way then the giant juggernaut vessels.
They feel more like custom built science and explorer ships. Old earth explorers may have used large ships, but in sci-fi large ships tend to scream warship.
@GrandInfernoElite But not in Star Trek though, large just mean is more focus on deep space exploration. It's those medium and small one we need to watch out for. They're the one with the fangs
@@Predator42ID The Titan-A is a science cruiser. The fact that they converted it to be the new Enterprise-G speaks volumes of Starfleet's desire to return to its exploration roots. They only seem militaristic because they know just how much more dangerous it is out there thanks to USS Voyager, so they now fly softly again, but carry very big sticks (quantum torpedoes and type-xii phasers being standard that used to be only on ships designed to fight the Borg).
I like giant ships but prefer them not to perform "evasive manoeuvres" or be shaped any more aerodynamically than a small city.
It really is an exquisite little ship.
I really like the design of the protostar, it is a far more logical step in starship design than the Pizza Cutter seen in STD, that thing had a literal jump drive before Starfleet had even built the transwarp drive for the Excelcior class, and it clearly didn't fit in the timeline where it was, the Protostar however does. I hope we get to see more of it in Prodigy season 2. It's a shame we never got an offical speed calculation for the protodrive, i personally recon it's about 1000ly/mn. Imagine if Voyager had that drive, they would have been back at earth in just over an hour, or at most, a _day._
Hopefully we get to see _Prodigy_ season two. Paramount seems to be trying to forget the show ever existed, much less has a full season ready (or nearly ready) to release.
4,000 Lightyears in a few minutes? Damn makes the timeframe for Voyagers journey back from the Delta Quadrant seem ridiculous. With the Protostar they could cover that in a couple of days
Well it was a Tom Paris project.
That's why it was built, it was constructed and spearheaded by Voyager crewmembers.
Ludicrous Speed go!
I definitely got some Flight of the Navigator vibes when shots featured the exterior forward hull.
I'm shocked at the scale of the Protostar being, at least presumably, smaller than the Defiant class. Makes sense considering it's race car inspirations, but what little I've managed to watch of this show gave me the impression that it was closer in scale to the Constitution class with a more current gen ship profile. Still a really cool ship class and I hope we haven't seen the last of them.
The show has scaling all over the place for dramatic effect, but from what we see of the interior it definitely seems suited to the 20 people listed for the crew. One small mess hall, an engineering space that's positively cramped by post-TNG standards, etc. I think it's just a bit deceptively arranged because it's stretched out compared to the Defiant and so much of it is actually taken up by the enclosed protowarp machinery.
@@leepky Glad to hear I wasn't alone in confusing the ship's scale. Still, it's cool to see Starfleet create a prototype ship that's basically three warp/protostar cores and a steering console. Sounds like something Tom Paris would try to make.
@@wolfpack_104people have been headcanoning Paris as the lead designer since the show came out, this is also what I think until they say otherwise!
@@kaitlyn__L Well that'd be cool if it's ever confirmed. Would definitely track with his love of fast vehicles (not to mention the possible captain proton reference). Here's hoping Prodigy season 2 gets out of limbo soon.
@@wolfpack_104 I definitely hope it gets confirmed! As to the scale, as stated in the video if we scale it based on the bridge it can’t be smaller than the Defiant. Personally I interpret the main body of the ship as being roughly Defiant sized (but with less internal space, since the rim is one deck thick instead of 3) with all the engines hanging off the back.
Looks like a next generation Nova-class replacement as a planetary survey vessel. Fill it with a bunch of scientists and move on to the next star system to chart it.
Nova is bigger. I say it more of a Raven class replacement.
Beautiful ship, closest thing in Star Trek to the Normandy
I get more of an Orville feel
@@GrandInfernoElite
Orville is a ripoff of the Intrepid class, so yeah
@@drksideofthewal how? Because they're both exploratory ships?
@@GrandInfernoElite
Because the aesthetic of Orville is clearly and self admittedly, by the creator, inspired by Star Trek, and the Intrepid class popularized the triangular primary hull style of Federation ships which the Orville emulates.
@@drksideofthewal having the same basic shape isn't a ripoff, that's inspiration, if that. Otherwise the borg sphere would be a ripoff of the death star
I always thought it's dome shaped hull reminded me of Max from Flight of the Navigator. Without the Warp Nacelles obviously.
I just realized what the Protostar class reminded me of: The Warp Delta from Enterprise!
The big arrowhead wedge. The two extremely short narrow pylons with the path of propulsion going just above and just outside the main saucer. Built for a crew of 30. Few niceties since it was a propulsion and tech bed. Smooth underside and fore hiding the unaerodynamic experimental tech platform in the back. And if you squint a little, it even has a Duotronic take on that big dome covered bridge giving panoramic views from the dorsal side.
That tested Warp 2, this tests quantum slipstream, still proud little testbeds.
This ship is the answer to questions i had back in the 90s about Starfleet developing a rival drive comparable to the Romulan's quantum singularity reactor. Which is why i always found it ridiculous that the Fleet in discovery's Future would still be using Anti Matter in most of its ships. If Starfleet wishes to explore beyond the Galactic Barrier, they can't keeping using Anti-matter reactors.
I'm still trying to figure out the timeline with the fall of Romulus, but the Protostar Drive seems like something that would come out of several Romulan engineers working with Starfleet to design something, as it seems to be a far better option than the singularity drives that the RSE uses while being something that would utilize a lot of their tech fed through a Federation filter.
It's certainly a beautiful starship... 😏
Question: Where do you find your official schematic vector images of the ships?
spacedock
They're not official ones, I tend to find schematics (Star Trek online promotional view pf the protostar class in this case) where I can then create my own stencils with those as reference in photoshop
@@CertifiablyIngame Thank you! I'm about to email you from my WizKids address. Just curious about possible future collabs. Thanks!
According to Star Trek: Prodigy producer and screenwriter Aaron Waltke, the ship's NX registry is derived from his birthday of 8 August 1984.
I love the Protostar-class.
It's my favorite ship in all of Star Trek. I want one!
the way the STO Model has parts where you can actually look into an interior - so nice
Wonderful and detailed breakdown of the Protostar I can't wait for season 2 of Star Trek Prodigy.
Thanks for yet anothet awesome ship breakdown, brother Ric!
Now this one deserves the title of "one little ship"
hope we get to see it again, regardless of if prodigy continues or not
So, I forgot I had this video open, and I walked past my computer and glanced at it sideways in passing, and I misread the title as "PORNSTAR CLASS". I was mightily confused for a second.
i would say, that the Protostar is not a Courier, Scout or anything but more a pure testbed Prototyped, like the Turbinia or the Sea Shadow or the NX-Prototypes, only with longer travel distances in mind and to test a totally new propulsion system, while the Excelsior is more a ship like the Nautilus or the Nuclear Merchant Ships like Savannah or Otto Hahn
Only a crew of 20? At least half are engineers then, bridge crew of 6 (captain, first officer, helm/navigation in one, communications officer then a chief science officer and tactical officer), 3 science officers (since regular missions to the Delta Quadrant would require a heavy science compliment), 2 medical officers then the ship's Chief Engineer and their department of 8 engineers to maintain the warp cores and protostar drive
I gotta wonder what happened to this class by the Discovery future era.
Obviously IRL production didn’t know about the class getting greenlit or budget wise they don’t have a model to work from (same reason no California classes I think).
But the protostar class sounds like something that could survive the burn. …or possibly be a bigger than normal explosion during the event. Unsure. But it feels like technology they would try to recreate. Unless season 2 has reasons why it might be abandoned.
Such as I dunno BEING PREGNANT WITH A BABY STAR like imagine everytime these types of ships got old enough they blow up and make a new star system
It's possible that production of the ship wasn't scalable. Presumably they needed to harvest a protostar every time they built one, and the demands of keeping it gravitationally confined must have been significant. Plus when it blows up it can disrupt entire systems.
another awesome video sir i enjoy it a lot how many crew can the ship carry in your opinnion and also the exposed bridge desing like and acrylic cover its just mesmerizing
When you look at it it looks bigger then the Defiant. So is the Protostar the same size as Archer's NX-01?
I always had specific theory how protostar drive worked.
Basic emphasis, was Protostar was an experimental attempt by Federation and Starfleet to make a safer version of Romulan singularity engine core. But wanted a system they could potentially destroy, unlike a singularity they couldn't shutdown. Thus keeping anyone from stealing it.
The drive core functions like an artificial star, likely harvested high energy protomatter held in artificial gravity chamber like pre burner in fusion reactor. The baby star is fed a steady diet of gravitons and tachyons.
The system when engaged it is fed warp energy, which catalyzes the reaction producing enormous volumes of tachyons and displaces subspace, the radiative flux of the baby star, whose new gravitons are gravitationally attracted to adjacent stars. The big engines exhibit huge subspace driver coil designs, which helps to mitigate more ships mass than conventional subspace displacement systems. In much the same way the Enterprise D rode thru the distortion wave of the subspace damaged sector of harkaras.
Another amazing video
I absolutely love this type of video. I screenshot (yeah for CZcams) the last schematic in the video and then convert it into a wallpaper for my computer. Including this one, I now have 17 of them.
I think Nickelodeon have heavily underestimated the size of the Protostar
There is plenty of on-screen evidence to support this. We've got exterior footage of Janeway visible on the bridge of the Protostar as viewed from outside the ship, footage comparing Dal to Admiral Janeway, and footage of Dal walking along the edge windows of the saucer.
A 139 meter long ship would mean the bridge canopy would be at most 2.2 meters high at its tallest section. Rok-Tahk is 8ft tall, she would have to duck to enter any part of the bridge
If you measure the length of the bridge compared to Janeway and the characters you get a ship that is much bigger, comparable to Voyager or NCC-1701
The ship is 312 meters long
It's the concept of a 3D printer but in space and with a big honking engine strapped on.
the protostar drive is basically just a warp version of a NOx injector on a drag racer.
Man, here's hoping Prodigy comes back soon!
I did not realize this thing was so tiny. Never going to watch the show, so STO was the first time I saw her alongside other ships, and in the internal docks of ESD.
I don't know why I assumed she was the size of the Sovereign or something similar, but now it seems even smaller than a Miranda.
indeed though that made no sense why Cryptic would put this ship in the infinity lockbox instead of putting it in the requisitions store i mean COMMON damnit i mean seriously? Cyptic?
@@FLAME4564 Yes, that honestly makes me mad.
"The Delta Quadrant. I can't believe I'm back in the Delta Quadrant. Three times before this place almost killed me. I swore I'd never give it another chance to finish the job."
Its a super-fast Nova. Awesome looking ship, though. I would love to see more of it.
I love those smaller "personal" ships in StarTrek. It feels more realistic to me I would say.
Less mass helps especially when a vehicle is traveling very fast.
"Realistic?" That's arguable. "Heroic?" Without a doubt. As John Paul Jones once said, "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." And the USS Protostar goes REALLY, REALLY FAST.
This would be a great design for scouts to accompany universe class ships.
I like the little ship, its really interesting.
I haven't seen the show yet, but I really like this ship for its size and efficiency in terms of minimal crew requirements. A ship with a smaller crew means you can build many more of these and send dedicated hand-picked specialists to go out and survey targeted areas all over the galaxy all at the same time. Starfleet Intelligence would be forced to work overtime going over so much new data!
Interesting little ship
Odd for sure but I like that you present these things as if they were actually real.
I know Eaglemoss have gone out of business; boy do I wish they released a model of one of these!
This was a kool original design it is great the show was good the end was fitting.. it grew on me the characters were good and i came to care about them. And that says a lot about the writers great job
What is the protostar core exactly? Is it an actual young star held in a compressed space field like the TARDIS? Or is it some kind of mini-star made with proto-matter?
"Does your ship have large engines?"
"Nahh. This engine have a ship."
This little ship is easily my favourite design of the "new" trek era
While i have no love for Prodigy, i will admit that this ship is rather pleasing to look at.
"It's not really an 'exploration' vessel...."
Of course not. When you cover 4,000 lightyears in a single hop lasting minutes, you don't NEED it to be a traditional starfleet 'exploration' vessel. You point it at an area, tell the crew: 'go look around that spot for a month', and let it go.
A month later, it pops back to Federation space for some R&R.
It's so new you can still see people welding on it in some areas
Its warp core reminds me of the black hole used by the Romulans.
She's definitely a tough little ship. Didn't realise she was half the size of an Intrepid though, that's pretty damn heavy when you think about potential combat. Odd Starfleet would make such a small ship with the capability it has but at the same time, Starfleet ships have plot armour
I think the in universe excuse is that the ship would basically run from any possible threat it encounters. Considering it’s first mission was to be a second contact ship for the delta quadrant I bet the idea was to simply be a blockade runner to bring supplies and diplomats to worlds that are too far or too dangerous for most ships.
They could fit it out to have more of the crew amenities that were generally the norm of the Fleet by reducing said crew to around 10 plus Holo stand-ins. In so doing, it could serve as either really big Runabouts or as Corvettes. Another use, depending on the size of the Mothership, would make these ships into well appointed Captain's Yachts.
I actually didn't like it in the first half of season 1, but it actually is an extremely cool ship with an awesome ascetic.
Thank you for making this video! I love the protostar’s design!
Starfleet should have included _Voyagers_ Galifreyan based shuttlebay technology.
Reminds me a bit of the Nova class... specifically the Rhode Island variant.
cool ship
I wish eaglemoss was still in business. This would have been a cool figure to own.
Hope this series gets saved. It maybe for kids but as far as Star Trek goes it is the best I have scene of the new Trek.
What’s different about this ship is the placement of the shuttle bays on the starboard and port bow of the saucer.
A starship with a NOS kit 😅
Didn't realize until this breakdown, but its seems to be a Shiny Nova class. And, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I've always liked the Nova.
Project ship series Nova class was suspended in the past.
The new version, uss Equinox class ship, are lost into Delta quadrant after a big jump.
USS Voyager find, fight and destroy uss Equinox.
This is the beginning of the new TV series, the uss Protostar ship..?
The birth of the new era for Nova class project..?
Mmmmm.... I don't know.... but very interesting...!
Wait they are going to turn something this small into a "ship of the line" of battle?
Can you imagine a ship that is a skeletal system and its made of various holodeck technologies for its OUTSIDE shape/composition/components...
With enough energy and safety redundancies.. it to change it to whatever it wants
What's with all the sparking navigation lights?
From the way the "protostar drive" is described here, it seems like the closest star trek drive technology to the far more generic and light-on-detail "quantum drive" powering the "planetary union" ships in "The Orville", the core of which at least visually looks a bit like a captured and massively shrunk star.
I wonder which came first: Was the protostar drive concept thought of before the Orville was?
Just a heads up that the subtitles/transcript appears to include a lot of script that was cut from the final video. May want to remove those bits so that the subtitles are synced properly with the video. 🖖
Indeed. Interesting, but hard to follow.
kind of surprised you didn't draw comparison to the romulan's artificial quantum singularity drive
Quite nice video sadly where I love the series runs only in free tv which I don't get anymore because it's totally absurd tech requirements. So only other way to watch it is on stream however the streaming site of that TV station is at least as broken as STOs main code
The JJ Trek version of the Nova-class.
Only with the nacelle spacing more in line with all the other ships, instead of too close together.
This is the Corvette of starships.
Make the ship 10% larger to add compherts and a bigger medical bay. With that, it should be a decent explorer while keeping its speed.
I also think you could only get 15-25% larger without structural redesigns.
Whenever I see Trek comments sections filled with people complaining that things "aren't realistic", I have to wonder: have they ever *watched* Star Trek?
Are the impulse engines at the tips of the nacelles or are they tucked in under the third nacelle behind the shuttle bay?
Anyone make the connection to a certain prototype Dauntless starship, from a certain Voyager episode, yet? Both were basicly a Trap made by an alien species
I'm still wondering why they didn't build one with a Romulan style singularity core to power the drive.
It may be that it takes a great deal of infrastructure to manufacture Romulan style Singularity cores and it's not worth the effort for one ship.
@@RBAWintrow well I was just thinking of the protostar containment is that unstable in long-term operations why not use a slightly smaller Singularity core that runs at lower power but longer?
I think in Star Trek the Romulan singularity core is something like a Soviet nuclear reactor. Yes, it has a lot of power, but I wouldn't try to turn it off :))
@@tomasr. Well maybe not a repurposed Romulan drive but a singularity core would be an interesting second option for the Protostar drive.
My take is that the protostar can produce more energy in short bursts than any other known core power source can, including the singularity core.
The singularity core's power output is probably limited by the size of the singularity itself. To reach the power output of the protostar a singularity would likely be too large to keep contained. One phaser blast hitting the hull and _sluuuurrrrrp_ the whole ship implodes as it's sucked into the singularity.
Only tic I have with this is the third nacelle is powered by a huge fusion reactor, that is what a protostar is. Way underpowered from the mater/antimatter reactors for the other two nacelles.
I just realized how few truly compromise designs there are in Star Trek. They always have at least a bit of everything. I want to see a sphere that cannot do anything but fly and NOT DIE or something.
Starfleet could explore the whole galaxy in a decade.
man i love the design of the protostar also #save startrek prodigy i always belived the dauntless was a mother ships and the protostar was a scout ship they would send out first to make contact and then the dauntless would arrive later
My second fave ship to the Intrepid. Love the little ships
So many people hated the pop out nacell on the prometheus, this ship is not getting as much negative feedback. Maybe give it some time for more people to be aware of it? 🤔
A slip stream vanguard like the Crossfield class?