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What Caused the Floods and What should be done now? - Dawar Butt -
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Dawar Butt, a Public Policy Analyst by profession, with a deep interest in Environmental Policy and Management.
Dawar Butt comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss what caused the floods, what could have been done to mitigate the damage, climate change, the Global North, Dams and what we should do now.
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The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.
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Chapters:
0:00 The Global North and Sustainability
17:51 Pakistani Floods and Dams
31:51 Forecasts and Climate Modelling
39:48 Ozone, Urbanisation, and Cloud Seeding
47:31 Cyclones, Heatwaves, and Water Shortages
1:00:21 Rural flooding, Politicians, and Planning
1:13:13 Dams and Water Management
1:31:05 Class disparity in the climate crisis
1:43:10 Smog
1:51:31 QnA
Most beautiful, sensible and intellectual host and guest... This conversation should telecast on public television in Pakistan and India to aware people. It will create a huge positive change.
Appreciate the sane voices in Pakistan and hopefully the dire situation will allow such knowledgeable people to be responsible for changing the bleak future
Loved the whole discussion.
I was afraid that I won't be able to listen it all but honestly, I was spellbound by the facts and information provided in this podcast. Shahzad, hats off to you for chosing this critically important topic. And for Dawar, it was simply superb. Thank you so much for all this info. I wish national media could give you airtime and let the masses know what the actual facts are and how horrible the situation is going to be for us in the near future.
Once a villain said that "talking about peace while spilling blood is only thing humanity has achieved"
Great podcast on the water issues of Pakistan but also Subcontinent. 1 correction - Pathankot and Kangra are both not part of Jammu and Kashmir, both were part of Punjab but now Kangra is part of Himachal Pradesh.
I only knew Dawar from twitter and his 'witty' takes but he's actually a very knowledgeable person. Loved that you brought him on. Also appreciate how you steered the conversation and didn't interfere while he talked. Overall vibe was very calm and informative. Loved every bit.
This is very comprehensive, thank you, it really does explain the whole situation. Very informative in the context of climate change.
Some random facts-- after heat wave water absorption capacity of soil decrease and hence more prone to floods
Hi. Brilliant convo. Studying Water science and engineering in Germany currently with major in weather forecasting using Artificial Intelligence. Maybe in few years, I can play a small part in betterment of forecasting system of Pakistan. Fingers crossed.
So so informative. Essential for everyone to watch!
Very informative . Thanks for sharing
Great discussion.. Watching from India ayodhya city
Found the podcast really informative. Thankyou, Shehzad for inviting him.
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Hey man, I appreciate your efforts to inform the people . I'm looking forward to more informative videos. It is a very concerning situation in Pakistan. And I can also say that in India, we are also seeing the signs of this.
Thanks for awaring about floods and all .
Great content . Superb stuff
I enjoyed the chat. Good job.
Sorry for delayed question. I have seen this in somewhere in FB posting that if we drill / bore some say 500 ft down the land having width of 8 inches or more, the water give go down inside and our water table will rise. This he was suggesting that is natural way of storing water beneath land for future consumption. Please ask Dawar Butt and get the reply.
Thanks for uploading and talking to some good analysts
One of your best. The tone, informative ,quiet and adult, is exactly right.
ufffff its very scary,
Very important episode, Everyone should watch
I saw quite a few indian academicians taken a interest in Himalayan glacier modeling in wake of floods in pakistan.
At the end transforming models into software will have to be done locally.
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Fantastic podcast and very high IQ replies. Should educate people more on these things instead of political ramblings.
Hey Shahzad, we need more podcasts like these. And a bit less political ones please.
Excellent
The 1991 indus water accord of Pakistan says Indus river is for solely for KPK, Balouchistan and Sindh..ALL three provinces have passed resolutions against it.
That issue is finished
Really informative. But I have one question, Munchar lake mein water intake kahan see hota hai ? Because there was a change when Indus level was not that much high as it is right now, to us time possibility thi k time pe drain krdyty. Abhi Indus level is so high k Munchar ka band cut kar k bhi or villages ko duba kar bhi pani indus mein nhe jaa raha.
Shahzad sahib you earn our appreciations the crucial very basic very important issues you high light and bring in for discussion is bound to engage serious people for objective resolution as against The Bijective Resolution of Liaqat Alive Khan which proved deciding code of our nation . The young generation I am sure will prove thier serious attitude for a prosperous Pakistan.My regards to you Drawer Butt Muzamil rest of your team. Thanks keep up man.
Hi sir just wanted to ask is the baloch separatism real Or just made up.
Great discussion, your channel is simply superb. Was disappointed though that the guest was unable to summarize the entire environmental problem and linking it to ONE root cause, the missing element. Btw, Global North & South are the buzz words circulating these days, 6 months from now, no one will remember these.
Dear please upload subtitles as well with the video .
"Rains are blessings from Allah because we have handsome PM"- Former Minister of Climate Change
Seeing from Indian Punjab- Punjabis are the issue- selling plots and moving to Canada.
Pakistan is what you get when one puts Punjabis in charge
Sir which name Is Martin's Documentry ?
Shahzad Bhai this Film is not Available On CZcams.
Your sending link is Open Short Advertise Video.
How Can Watch This film please Guide Me..
I am from K.n.Shah District Dadu
My hometown is 80 percent Under Water Very Distractive town In Sindh so I want Knowledge About this disaster phenomenon .
Guys upload podcasts on Google podcasts timely naa 😩
This should have been done with maps
audio version main bahut delay kartay ho
We as Pakistanis look for excuses instead of taking responsibilities for our inactions! Agreed that Pakistan has very little to do with climate change because we have not become an industrial country in the last 75 years! But the fact remains that Pakistan has so many glaciers in the north and they are melting! It is still our problem and we will have to solve it no matter what! We must stop wasting money on Army and invest in human development and economy so that we can create funds to resolve our problems!
Zindabaad
There is so much poverty in US Aus Nz etc
Get well soon vro
No, education is flawed in aus nz etc
Kryptonite found in Pak !!....an intelligent discussion 😄🤣...maybe he is not residing in country...
Why every discussion in Pakistan is "PUT THE BLAME ENTIRELY ON CLIMATE CHANGE".. Why are youths like U r not questioning - Ur very Own government?? Why U think - flood-So to say is only circled around KPK, BALOCHISTAN, SINDH..EVEN THOUGH MAJOR RIVERS FLOW THROUGH CENTRAL PUNJAB ??
@@ThePakistanExperience Do U know there's a satellite information tecnique where floods, cyclones , earthquake can be pre - determined probably govt can issue notice nd casualties can be lessened .. India , Bangladesh,Nepal ,Bhutan share this information and in recent times many of the natural disasters are minimised..Why not pak then?? U can google nd check ..if u don't believe me.
@@ThePakistanExperience Or check Naya daur channel where last Sunday thy made a video on Neighborhood talking ..u can check it..
@@kishwarlal8299 during covid india lost 8 million ppl, as hospital were over burden, there was no supply of certain drugs. No oxygen capacity, hositpal were returning criticals.
Dont talk as if you have capability when calamity hits.
The best thing an illerate indian can do is stay quite as you have no clue about any thing
@@HelloWorld-re5zk WAAOH !! Which world do U live in ... apart from wats app news read some actual news ..nd the HATRED U hv for India - keep it probably that may help you to help ur fellow citizens... SIC
@@kishwarlal8299 what did he said mujhe dikha nhi hello world ka comment
you did Dawar bad by using that photo of him in the thumbnail
I'm still listening to the podcast but I must say something about this argument for reparations: it's simply never going to happen. Why stop at just the British? Why not go after the Arabs, the Mongols and any other civilization that razed the subcontinent? This kind of stuff has happened to other civilizations too. I would not hold my breath expecting the British to pay back its former colonies for their exploitations or return what they've stolen.
Also with regards to the US Army polluting - please be accurate in your statements (even though I know this is a laid-back podcast where specifics sometimes are ignored). The US MILITARY in its entirety, not the US Army alone is a large contributor to pollution in the world. According to a report released in 2019 by Durham and Lancaster University, if the US military were a nation state, it would be the 47th largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world. These figures were from taking into account the emissions from fuel usage alone.
@@ThePakistanExperience I get the argument for reparations. I was addressing it from the larger perspective of all the wrongs that colonizers have committed in history. I sincerely think the argument for reparations is moot and any effort in support for it will surely end in failure. We can surely argue all day long as to who is responsible for what and who should do what, but none of it will yield the immediate actions required to mitigate the effect of climate change to Pakistan.
In my humble opinion, a more realistic solution is pushing the political/establishment elite to form better emergency response agencies, building reservors/dams to reclaim the water and repurpose it for agricultural use or tap water consumption (yes I know the host made a good argument and it's not the solution), introducing all this extra water to long-dried up tributaries that could benefit those who live on arid lands and promoting/regulating/enforcing environmental laws at the federal/provincial/local levels
Pakistan can argue for the rich nations to help, but more important is the need to act now in order to be better prepared for the next natural disaster that will surely happen.
@@ThePakistanExperience the infrastructure solution has been pushed from within for decades. Pakistan is behind the curve on developing these much needed solutions due to nonsensical political rhetoric. This solution is not immediate but a step in the right direction HAS to happen. Yes building these things will take a long time. However, the Global North's fixes are also not going to be immediate either, and most definitely not in the span of days and weeks. Again though, demanding reparations is not answer, unless by reparations you mean they pay for Pakistan's need to build the solutions I proposed. In that case I will agree with you.
Or let me put it in other way.
1980s - Give us Money to fight Soviets.
2000s - Give us Money to fight War on Terror.
2020s - Give us money for Climate Change.
Now why should Pakistan get money?
Global South includes everyone except Western Europe and US/Aus/NZ/Japan/South Korea or are you also including China / Russia into it?
Why should Pakistan get money over North Korea, Myanmar,Cambodia, Sub Saharan nations?
At this moment, Pakistan should only ask for flood relief, money is disingenuous and we can see that, surprisingly both Left and Right in Pakistan can't, maybe they don't want to.
Bruv, you need to Qaiser Ahmed Raja for a podcast. He is a conservative man with very deep grip on science and philosophy.
He is no molvi but he is putting up with liberals in Pakistan. We need to hear him our on your platform. Please consider him.
The street crime in karachi have risen sharply especially since flooding occurred in rural parts of sindh. I don't say that flood affected people are behind the street crime in the city but someone is for sure. As citizens of the city, people will obviously point out to the most obvious, which in this case is the flood affected arriving in karachi.
If the government cannot help the people from street crime, the people will have someone to blame. You just can't say that it's their mentality, it's actually their hopelessness that they start to blame flood affected people.
Shehzad sorry to say, but you are totally insincere to the people of Karachi!
It can also be the case because the recent rise in inflation have coincided with the floods and the street crime has been on the rise for a couple of months now. Floods in rural areas have started late in August, how can you connect these dots? Its not obvious unless u want to make it obvious and point fingers at certain ethnicities. Karachi has always been a home ground for immigrants, be it the urdu speaking in 1947 or the afghans and pathans in the 80's or anyone else for that matter. This city is built and thrived by the immigrants ab thori bohot destruction hui hai but if you compare it with the rest of Sindh, its not even 1%
@@muhammadsaqib9793 I am not pointing out fingers at any ethnicity, if you felt like that I may apologise.
The street crime has been on the rise since last week of August till now, not since couple of months.
Yes, the first wave of street crime was started in Octuber 2021 and ended in March 2022 but the recent spike started late in August.
Again, I may say that it's not because of people coming in from rural areas who are behind the street crime, but rather it is the hopelessness and lack of trust karachiites have on their so called government that they have started to blame the flood affected for street crime.
I think you are a bigot who is masquerading as a intellect. You should be ashamed of your thinking. Rather than helping these poor people you are putting false allegations on these helpless people. Snatching karachi me 20 saalon se ho rahi, musharraf ke time se. Aur majority snatchers wo hain jo mqm ko support karte. I myself was mugged by paan eating looters. You should be ashamed. No difference between you and nazis. Shame. Tum aik musalman ho hi nahi sakte. Feel sorry for you and your parents. Such despicable upbringing. May allah help you. Ameen.
@@muhammadsaqib9793 crimes can't be blamed on inflation alone. No one can dare become a criminal in Karachi, the only criminals are the ones who are supported by police or rangers. It's not incompetency it's PPP's corruption that is supporting crimes.
@@sk-pp8uj PPP in Karachi is rather a new phenomena, they have the government since 2007. I don't wanna defend them, they themselves are the goons and the epitome of corruption, but for Karachi, they have just added fuel to the already burning forest. Crimes aren't a new thing in Karachi, its the way its been since 1980s after the Afghan war thanks to Zia. Mqm wasn't created by the PPP, ANP and Mqm didn't fight on the behest of PPP, street crimes happened alot even in the most accepted golden time of Karachi; the Musharraf era. There was no PPP at that time. So your hate against PPP is justified but is hamaam main sab nange hain aur sab se ziada nanga Zia hai jiski waja se drugs aur gun culture Pakistan main introduce hua.
Kudrat ka nizam hai Bhai
The despicable mqm types are saying that these flood hit people are committing crimes in karachi. These mqm types are shameless people. Beghairati ki haddon ko paar kar chuke hain ye log. Urdu media is equally complicit in this narrative building. Urdu media mein mqm sympathizers bhare hue hain in karachi. Shameless people. Sindh govt is too weak in calling out this bigotry. Sindh govt ko kisi cheez ka koi faraq hi nahi parta. Abhi tal 1970s mein reh rahe hain.
Global warming is far better than global cooling 😂
We will need to plant close to 80 billion trees every year to negate global warming.
Population control is needed.
Of course "Lahore wala" butt sahab's underlying racism comes out. Yes, spread hate about a certain ethnicity (at least have the guts to name them and not dog whistle) for complaining about crime but not call out the government and police that controls and manages criminal elements. No one can steal a single penny in Karachi without the permission of LEAs who are installed by PPP.
Chor ki darhi me tinka. Jo log khud racist hote hain unko har cheez racist hi nazar aati hai. Majority of mobile snatchers in karachi are mqm ke londay aur tumhe pata hai ko wo konsi nasal ke log hain. Snatching apke pyare aur apne musharraf ke time me shuru hui jab apki pyari party mqm ki hukumat thi karachi me. Dont accuse these helpless people of committing crimes. Aj bhi pata karao to majority snatchers paan khane wale hi honge. You should be ashamed of yourself and your upbringing. Apna racism kam karo to phir log bhi kam racist lagenge. Ache insan, musalman aur pakistani bano. Hate spewing mqm lover na bano. Shame on you.
@@zulfiqarali971 paan tou sab khaate hain, racist hone ki koshish achi thi.
Kher nahi, mqm wale snatchers ko rangers ne utha liya, ab snatchers sirf wo hain jin ko racist police aur rangers ki sarparasti hai.
Itna batao musalman ke police kab se muhajir hogai? kyun riha karte hain wo? Apni quom ke logon ko hi karte hain na logical baat karo
@@sk-pp8uj racist mqm ke supporters bhi racist. Rangers aur police karachi me sukoon laye hain. Altaf kamine aur mqm se karachi ke logon ki jan churwayi hai. In beghairat mqm walon ne 200 police wale shaheed kiye thay commando musharaf ke time me. Jab criminals ko pakro to muhajir muhajir shuru ho jata hai. To phir muhajirs criminals bante kyun hain saulat mirza, ajmal pahari aur kamran madhuri ki tarah? Mana ke police ki performance achi nahi hai par ye bhi sach hai mobile snatchers 80% muhajirs hi hote hain. I myself was looted by muhajirs in 2013. Shehar me aag bhi lagao aur matam bhi khud karo. Apna gireban banda dekh leta hai ke humse kahan ghalatiyan hui hain magar nahi ahar cheez dosron pe lagao. Rangers, police, sindh govt, ppp, pmln, fed govt. Sab kamine hain bas hum sab se ache hain. Pakistani bano pehle. Mqm aur muhajir nationalism ko india aur raw ne fund kiya hai. Haqeeqat ko samjho. Raw ka tool na bano.
@@zulfiqarali971 tum pehle pakistani bano aur quota system khatam karo. Jitne log police ne lootay aur maaray hain mqm kuch nahi unke saamne.
Muhajiron pe zulm kiye tou saulat mirza peda hue. Tumhare baron ne tumhe sikhaya hai ye bhooke nange aye ye criminals aur zyada ego hogaya ke ye dabb ke rehjaenge kuch bhi karlo. Phir jab saulat mirza jese log peda hote hain badla lete hain tou sab suffer karte hain.
Bhai aapko kisi muhajir ne kese lootliya? Police mein shikayat karo wahan tou muhajir nahi betha hua na. Kisi ki himmat nahi koi crime karay us ilaqe ke SHO ki sarparasti ke beghair. Seedhe andar hojaoge aur chittarr bhi parenge.
Ye fact hai khud aazmaa lo, koshish karo chori karne ki, balke rerhi bhi lagane ki koshish karlo - do minute mein police ajaegi.
Rangers aur police ki naak ke neeche sab crimes hotay hain.
@@sk-pp8uj quota system is irrelevant. Sari private jobs karachi ki muhajiro ke pas jaati hain. Govt job mein bhi 40 % muhajron ko milti hain. Phir bhi stupid propaganda pe yakeen karna hai. Koi zulm nahi hua muhajiron par. Pakistan aate hi maze karna shuru ho gaye the muhajir. Bureaucracy mein sare muhajir hi thay. Punjabi aur muhajir. Phir zia ul haq kamine ne mqm banai aur muhajir nationalism ko hawa di for political reasons. Uske baad ajmal pahari jaise kamine paida hue. Mqm and muhajir nationalism was fully supported by pakistani state to crush ppp in sindh. Konsa zulm hai muhajiron pe? Musharraf, sarfaraz ahmed, governor, arif alvi, mayor, shery rehman, patel, raza rabbani, murtaza wahab, gulzar ahmed. Sab to muhajir hain. Zulm konsa hai? Propaganda se bahir niklo. Target killers ko aur bhatta khoron ko marna zulm nahi hai. Insaf hai. Mqm is a curse on pakistan, sindh and karachi.
Why are you talking about your loans and climate change reparation as being something equatable? . What do the two have in common except perennial lust for free money no matter the reason for it. Brand Pakistan isn't returning anything to the global north. Itne style me bhikh sirf Pakistani her mangte hai, haq se maango. I'm just being blunt because Sri Lanka has defaulted but they aren't talking about reparation for climate change. They will come out of their crisis because they are dealing with the core issues. Pakistanis never want to take responsibility for their own inadequacies and lack of vision.
I think he is wrong , Pak is not polluting that much that might be true but Pak has no infrastructure, mitigation strategies to combat flood either. Suparco and other organizations had warned them , flood is coming. گجر نالا نالا لئی گٹر اسٹارم و آٹر ڈرینج تو کھول سکتے ہیں ۔ ساری غیر قانونی تعمیرات تو روک سکتے ہیں بلڈنگ کوڈذ، تو بنا سکتے ہیں ۔ ڈیم تو بنا سکتے ہیں، صرف اپنے آپکو معصوم ظاہر کرنا بھی چھوڑ دو۔ تم کوئ معصوم نہی ہو تم مجرم ہو۔
Don't give excuses like glacier melting - if that is the issue than flood should also be in India Northern regions..WHy there is no Flood in Kashmir,haryana , Himachal ??ASK THIS QUESTIONS ..
Climate change is natural and the government can not do much to influence the floods apart from building canals and planting trees. Even though the previous government planted a billion trees, they all got destroyed in this flood.
@@nofilkhan6743 dude..which world do U live in .. planting trees is 101 for environmental ads.. there r many technology advancement where probably U can't ignore Nature but minimise the destruction..if the government wants - they can buy the technology nd use it for the betterment of citizens
Abbay jahil insan. The size of glacier is more than size of few state divisions n district.
Stop commenting you illerate person.
The water which melts is more than than some cities area.
Oh u illerate bihari.
Population control policy hey kya nhi idhar
Idhar apne moulavi Ismaili ko kafir kehte rhte hai Aghakhani most educated people
He's too handsome❤😍
@@waqasansarite lol, ye kb hua? kuch bhi
@@waqasansarite really
pakistanis at their best....useless discussion....they say neighbours are poor so we are ok being poor
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Amazing the guest doesn't know the difference between Carbon emissions & Water treatment plant.. These r two different things.. But as usua definitelyl he is having a pakistani university degree.. From were he has become " Albert Einstein "..
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