powergirl901 The movie was very, very fine, but Joseph Heller's book is a modern masterpiece, and the film couldn't begin to capture all that was in it.
Imagine that two of the most brilliant comic minds ever to have graced our planet had found each other and demonstrated together that the whole may indeed exceed the sum of its extraordinary parts!
A convoluted history but Mike Nichols was the stepson of my anatomy professor. The professor was a spectacular teacher and had been a surgeon in Germany before the War.
wholeNwon Personally LOVE tidbits like this...Thank you for sharing it! My high school history teacher’s brother was Johnny Carson’s accountant! It’s all nuts! 😃
@@bradstephan7886 There was a time before Christine Jorgensen when that would have been impossible, but now that the 468th ranked male swimmer has become the number female swimmer, no problem
I did not know much about Elaine May so I searched her name and it appears she is still living. She and Mike Nichols were a comedy team for 4 years, but it seems they never had a romantic relationship. She said once that they were a team for 4 years and a couple for 4 days.
1960 was not an easy year for the Martin Gabels. The star of the play Martin was directing, Margaret Sullavan, died on New Year's Day. Then came the barbell accident, three days prior to this broadcast. Arlene holds up remarkably well under the circumstances. I guess this is when the actress in her emerges...no matter how bad you feel, don't let it show.
@@kristabrewer9363 John didn't expect that somebody will watch this 60 years later having no idea what was going on. Back then people obviously knew already. And also what you expect that John will enter in details?
Here in the UK Eamonn Andrews was most famous for being the presenter of This Is Your Life, a show in which he surprised a well-known person with a red book, led him or her to a TV studio and told the person's life story with friends and relatives coming on as guests. John Daly mispronounced his Irish first name several times by saying Ee-mon when it should be A-mon (a bit like amen in church).
If you pronounce Amen in church as "Ey-men," then you're the last one qualified to judge someone's accent. OK, I'm just taking the mickey... But really! Eamonn like like Amen?? Tsk, tsk.
I did a quick search to find the distressing situation that John Daly mentioned at the beginning. This might be what John was talking about. I found it on Wikipedia: Francis, Gabel, and their son Peter were vacationing in Connecticut when the 1960 incident happened. Francis had instructed their maid to shampoo the carpet while they were away. The maid kept windows open for a long time to minimize the smell of the shampoo. The dumbbell was part of the equipment that Francis used for her regular exercise of weightlifting.
Dorothy can figure out anything. If she were born in another generation, she would have been a fierce investigator for any city police department, undercover or otherwise.
Why would Dorothy chose a public service law enforcement career with a moderate salary (albeit with a generous pension) over much more lucrative writing?
Mike Nichols did so many brilliant things -- I was sorry to hear the news that he died last year, leaving Diane Sawyer a widow. Mr. Nichols and Ms. Sawyer had been married since 1988.
I had never heard of either guest until this episode (not even as husband of Ms Sawyer) despite my admiration for the career of Diane Sawyer.... a sad commentary on any person's Legacy that even before their death I might have seen Mike but knew nothing of him and thus didnt put any importance beyond being a husband if I had been told that much at the time (assuming i even ever did see him)
qaz wiz It’s not a sad commentary on his legacy that you never heard of him. It’s a sad commentary on your knowledge of American culture. Mike Nichols directed The Graduate, Catch-22, Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf, Silkwood, Working Girl, Biloxi Blues and many more.
The LP of their Broadway show won an Oscar but the two broke up suddenly the following year. The two did do some work together later,. Yet it worked out fine for both. Nichols won the Oscar for Best Director for The Graduate and Elaine May has had a career of outstanding longevity, winning a Tony in 2019.
They are both amazing artists, and remained always friends, see the tribute Elaine May dedicated to Nichols at his AFI lifetime achievement if you haven't, she'll blow you away😆
@@preppysocks209 It's Anne (not Ann)...c'mon preppy socks, with all your fine comments, I'm sure you know that! And, yes, I agree that Elaine May does resemble Anne Bancroft quite a bit!
After 10 plus years of the RCA DX-77 Microphones being used on "What's My Line" , CBS started using the new (in 1960) Electro-Voice 666 Microphones for the panel, the contestants/Mystery Guests and Mr. Daly for the first time in this episode. I know this made Mr. Paley very happy because of his hatred for RCA/NBC Chairman Gen. Sarnoff!
I was thinking the same thing. A child, or adult, could certainly bone up on their vocabulary and astuteness, and etiquette and politeness, in conversations with others, just by watching these shows.
Arlene said, “Near beer” in 1960. I had no idea the term was that old. I saw an early 1930s film that a bartender was asked for a drink of whiskey. He replied, “Of course you can...NOT”
John should have flipped another card after Mr. Gillette gave Dorothy a "no" to her cattleman question. Mr. Gillette explained quite articulately the definition of a cattleman, which did not fit his own occupation. Bennett thought he was kidding about him being a cowboy, but he deserves the win, because it was his turn.
@@robertfiller8634 - It's my understanding that according to Gil Fates' book, all contestants got the $50.00 for playing, regardless. The cards were merely a 'visual' to help keep score. (I could be way off on that, but have heard it from a few other sources as well.)
I'm 68 and did hear of Mike Nichols and Elaine May unlike some others commenting here. However, I always assumed they were married to each other, at least for a time. I learned tonight for the first time, they were not...
4:05 in. Listen carefully he did pronounce his name correctly. At 5:16/5:58 one would realise was a slip of the tongue. John is reading fast & has allot to think about conducting in his vocation.
What happened to Arlene that John referred to? The old cowboy would have been born in 1880 and would be 143 in 2023. He would have been born 15 years after Lincoln was assassinated.
This is the first time in which it appears that John Daly asked each contestant to "enter and sign in, please" rather than "come in." I don't know if that is where the joke in "Sunshine Boys" came from, but "enter" is better.
Fascinating that being a referee who worked a world heavyweight championship fight WASN'T his main occupation! Then again, I wonder if Reingold Beer even exists today!
I was curious also and looked it up. They went out of business in 1976. We never had it out in the west, it was a NY product. We had Hamms and Olympia beer 🍺 and they're out of business too. Seems every fine independent business gets swallowed up by big conglomerates.
Elaine May, an extraordinary creator writer & performer. As was Mike Nichols. Plus he directed and produced. Such exceptional talent. RIP Elaine and Mike. 🙏❤
SEE: www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-519-96903/ John Daly mentioned at the outset of this episode that these were "difficult and trying times" for Arlene, and that they urged her to appear on the show. See link for explanation @ "DIFFICULT AND TRYING TIMES FOR ARLENE".
I take your point but ALL of the regulars, not just Dorothy, have their 'determined' moments on one episode or another of this show. I've seen Arlene and Bennett fervently argue a case for their questionning. Daly when he gets on point with a matter certainly keeps a tight ship with his moderating. Dorothy I'd say was more competitive than the others....but that's GOOD. It betrays her superb, by all accounts, investigative talents!! Plus don't forget Ernest Hemingway described her as one of, if not THE, most important US voices in the written word. I do think it's another one of those things where, if she was a man, her determination and pedantry would go unnoticed. Somehow being a woman with forearm length gloves, looking pretty doesn't quite 'go' with robustness of intellect for some people!!
Ohmigod! All of these comments about people other than : Elaine May and Mike Nichols🌹 👉🏾Simply Brilliant! If you wander onto this, and aren’t familiar with them: Go directly to CZcams : Nichols and May! Yes, Mike Nichols is the man who directed: The Graduate, Carnal Knowledge, etcetera. #Hilarious❣️
Nichols and May were both amazingly talented! Nichols went on to great heights as a director. And Elaine, the brilliant writer and performer that she is, has a wonderful career. One of my favorites is A New Leaf, with May and Walter Matthau. Elaine delivers one of the all time great comedic performances. It ought to be better known. Loved her in, Small Time Crooks, with Woody Allen, too. I'm a huge fan of hers. Great to see this forward thinking comedy team on WML!
Nothing against the monolithic brewers like Budweiser and Miller, I so wish the regional beers were still important to their various regions such as Rheingold, Stroh, Iron City, Hamms, Olympia, Lone Star, etc. But, alas, everything ate up by conglomerates. If youngsters don't know what I refer too, look the above brewers on CZcams with commercials.
Very true. I grew up in NY, when we had Schaefer and Rheingold beer. It was economical and they were damn good beers. Great tv jingles, too. "Schaefer is the, one beer to have, when you're having more than one" Yes, we generally followed that advise, too. 😎👍
Bifurcated market. The oligopolists - Budweiser is owned by multinational InBev AB, Miller is owned by Molson Coors - but this is the hay-day of thousands of craft breweries. Regionals are out
I'm really surprised Daly pronounces Eamonn as EEEmonn. He's the only one in the world. Is it a little dig for being him such a good moderator while Daly was away on holiday (only kidding, but...well).
Elaine May’s daughter was a wonderful actress who played in the movie “ The Heartbreak Kid” with Charles Grodin and many more movies. Elaine May was a genius at early ad-lib and comedy writing, directing and producing.
Vahan Nisanian : He died, but: Absolutely! You can find the two of them talking, quite recently, in fact🌹 Simply search CZcams : Nichols and May! Enjoy❣️
I attended and 1980 revival of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolff" in which Nichols and May played George and Martha. Swoozie Kurtz played Honey. I can't remember who was the other lead. It was at the Long Wharf Theatre in New Haven. The letdown was there was a power outage in New Haven and the performance ended after only 45 minutes.
@@Playwright62 I can only think that it was really good since our group was very unhappy that we did not seem it through the end and that Long Wharf was unable to reschedule it!
can anyone help me out with this question? I have been watching these episodes mostly in order. I could have sworn in an earlier episode they mentioned a similar accident where someone was killed near Arlene's apartment, but it was a flower pot and the next of kin was trying to blame Arlene but there was no proof that Arlene was responsible. was there another accident similar to the one mentioned in this episode? maybe it didn't involve Arlene or maybe no one was killed? maybe the newsmedia first reported this accident as involving a flowerpot and that no one died?
Wikipedia says that her maid left a dumbbell near an open window which fell out and killed a man. She and her husband were not home at the time. The man's relative did get a monetary settlement from them.
there was an episode when Arlene wore a hat Martin gave her that resembled a flower pot. John joked it had fallen onto Arlene. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. Then there was a vehicle accident in 1963 Arlene was involved in and a woman was killed.
What's My Line? -- Arlene's hair kept getting better, I find -- she had a hairdresser who, most of the time, found a way to do her hair that made her look better. With Dorothy, though, as you said, it got so much worse. When it got to the point that she wore hairpieces that sat on top of her head like a wedding cake, it was really not good at all. Fortunately, Arlene didn't go that route.
Dorothy was always very fashion-forward. She started teasing her hair in June of 1960, months before Jackie Kennedy would set a nationwide trend for American women to wear the French bouffant (often with a "flipped" curl). In the 1960s, it was considered very ugly for a woman to have flat hair, and nearly every woman adopted some form of the bouffant. To achieve its monumentous heights, women would sleep on jumbo rollers (or sit under a drier at a beauty parlor), then back-comb the under layers of hair into a tangled birds nest, and finally smooth the top layer over with a brush and several layers of hairspray. The finished product often looked as wispy as cotton candy, while simultaneously hard as a rock. I always enjoy seeing Dorothy's hairstyles in these 1960s episodes because they were works of art - they took literally hours to accomplish - and they were never the same.
At 7:51 when Arlene asks if it is "potable rather than solid" and John asks Arlene if she means "can you carry it"......I'm assuming John either a) did not know the definition of the word "potable" or b) misheard and though she said "portable".... ?
Mr. Gillette has the unfortunate coincidence of having the same nickname as Will Rogers, which means I have to fend off information about Rogers with a stick. Anyway, Gillette's legal name was Otis Theodore, but, once he hit his late 70s, he kept telling people it actually was Old Trapper, though I admit that might've been part of the Buffalo Park script. Also, he was actually 'only' 74 at the point he was on WML. Seems to have done a lot of that type of personal mythmaking. Was born in Texas, and lived as a cowboy, cook, stagecoach driver, and anything else you care to name for a good many years. Worked on Babbitt Ranches (in Arizona), mostly as a cook. Was a Flagstaff institution, and was on a couple of different radio stations for 25 years, and wrote a column in a Flagstaff newspaper for some time, which is frankly rather irritating, as it's done in dialect. Had a wife and 5 kids, possibly in El Paso. (Wife pre-deceased him. He may've abandoned the family during the Depression, or possibly, left them to go make money. It is unclear. There was certainly a rapprochement later on, if it was an abandonment, since his son Kirk took care of him for the last couple years of his life, in California.) There's a bunch of pictures of him in his later 70s, working as a Scenic Cowboy at a Flagstaff tourist museum (the aforementioned Buffalo Park), which either make me grumpy or amused. Can't tell which. Maybe both. On the bright side, I like his beard: www.cardcow.com/519733/o-t-gillett-flagstaff-arizona/
I don't understand all this talk about Dorothy and alcohol. I've heard about her tragic death, but if she ever has appeared tipsy at the panel, a work she seemed to enjoy, she for sure has been sharp as a razors blade anyway. I've been pondering a lot about this, and think that if I had been in her shoes, I might have been drinking myself. (By the way; there should have been a lot of hairdressers fired in the 60's. Some lack of elegance there was indeed!)
It's well known now that she was hospitalized, I think more than once, for substance abuse problems-- something she probably would have disclosed in her own column if the patient was any famous person but herself. That said, the instances where Dorothy's behavior/speech are affected are probably only obvious to the folks who are already inclined to notice it. Even in the most extreme example of all, her meltdown introducing Bennett in a show a couple of years later, it's not at all clear that it was caused by inebriation. She acted perfectly normally for the rest of that show. I'm resigned to the fact that this topic is unavoidably going to keep coming up. . . Dorothy may annoy me on the panel quite often, but I find this aspect of her life very sad and try not to pay attention to it unless something unavoidably obvious happens, like in that episode referred to you above (can't remember which one it was)..
What's My Line? I know a good many people do find Dorothy annoying, but I never really understood that. She anchored the panel by being its most serious member, but she usually retained her good humor and wit throughout each broadcast. Like all of us, she had her share of problems, but -- for the most part -- she kept those problems out of view when she was before the cameras.
thomas thompson She could be very grating in the 1950s-- she had softened considered on WML by the time the 1960s rolled around. In the 1950s she tended to hog the screen time asking redundant questions she already knew the answer to, she routinely argued with John after the rounds ended about the way he interpreted questions, and she was *too* serious for the tone of the show, in my opinion. She remained a serious game player in the 1960s, but without the hard edge she had in the 1950s. Ironically, as her persona grew softer on WML, she was simultaneously becoming ever more vicious and capricious in her column.
I don't understand the bickering about Dorthy.... I have seen recollections about her being a serious newswoman, not just a society (gossip) columnist ... in fact, second gunman conspiratorists can look to her death for additional ammunition as she seems to have been following a lead to the Ruby assassination at the time of her untimely demise. her WML dourness could easly be a somber face of an investigative reporter opposite to Bennett's wisecracking personality that seems to have lost reputation with his "Popsicle on father's day" pun
I think you're only not getting it because it's such a completely stupid pun, even by Bennett's usual standards. :) Popsicle = Pop, Pop = another word for Father.
Instead of having the celebrities try to disguise their voices - which didn't always work well - they should've either nodded or shaken their head, and have the host give the answer
Oh for the days when the population was actually educated. Now everyone disparages the "East Coast Liberals". Google everyone here they are all fascinating.
Yes, it's a shame the delightful, 80+ year old cowboy with an injured thumb only won $10. John usually steps in when Bennet's out of turn, but not this time, for some reason. They all seemed a bit distracted by themselves that night.
You have some fun in store filling in the blanks of Nichols and May! She won the Tony Award for Best Actress in a Play for a 2018 performance when she was in her 80s.
This is not a criticism of the channel or the uploader as such. It's directed to whoever edited these for presentation. Every single darned episode has without fail a scruffy edit around the 'word from our sponsor' section. Either Daly's words are cut off or we see flashes of 80s adverts in colour or both! It's soooo irritating and especially as it could've been easily resolved. Using iMovie it would've taken about twenty seconds to tidy those parts up either with a more precise edit or even a short fade out and fade in. We forgive it as a viewer every episode but really it's a sloppy way to preserve one of the oldest landmark television programmes.
Please remove this complete and utter troll from the comments section. Unfortunately today's awful society is full of pathetic losers intent on ruining other people's enjoyment of social media.
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I may have posted this before, but a very enjoyable movie is the 1971 A New Leaf with Eaine May and Walter Matthew. It's occasionally on TCM.
R.I.P. Mike Nichols, a truly great director.
Oh, man. Yes. Most people probably never saw "Catch 22" but in that case, the film was MUCH better than the book.
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The movie was very, very fine, but Joseph Heller's book is a modern masterpiece, and the film couldn't begin to capture all that was in it.
almost impossible to film "Catch 22". the movie never came close to the greatness of the book.
a biopic should be made on these two brilliant comics, writers, and directors -- each was multi-talented.
Frank Rich could do them justice.
Was? Elaine May is still living, aged 91.
Imagine that two of the most brilliant comic minds ever to have graced our planet had found each other and demonstrated together that the whole may indeed exceed the sum of its extraordinary parts!
A convoluted history but Mike Nichols was the stepson of my anatomy professor. The professor was a spectacular teacher and had been a surgeon in Germany before the War.
wholeNwon Personally LOVE tidbits like this...Thank you for sharing it! My high school history teacher’s brother was Johnny Carson’s accountant! It’s all nuts! 😃
@@hawktchr8 My mother's brother's son was my uncle's aunt. It's a small, crazy world.
@@bradstephan7886 There was a time before Christine Jorgensen when that would have been impossible, but now that the 468th ranked male swimmer has become the number female swimmer, no problem
@@bradstephan7886 😂
I believe Mike was related to Albert Einstein.
Elaine May and mike Nichols were good at disguising their voices.
I loved Mr. Gillette’s comment. There are only three things I’m afraid of, blondes, redheads, and brunettes. Arlene and Dorothy loved it too.
Arlene was such a classy individual.
DEFINITELY, i hope everyone up-votes your comment
She was a man eater. Love her
@@davidarcudi230 "man eater"??
Really? I think she was snide. Passive aggressive. I'm a fan though
Arlene would’ve made the best First Lady. And Martin Gable probably would have been a better president than the most recent three
I did not know much about Elaine May so I searched her name and it appears she is still living. She and Mike Nichols were a comedy team for 4 years, but it seems they never had a romantic relationship. She said once that they were a team for 4 years and a couple for 4 days.
Bennett Cerf just absolutely loved the question: Has it ever “ bean” alive? 😂
That, and "does it have anything to do with food or drink?", haha
1960 was not an easy year for the Martin Gabels. The star of the play Martin was directing, Margaret Sullavan, died on New Year's Day. Then came the barbell accident, three days prior to this broadcast.
Arlene holds up remarkably well under the circumstances. I guess this is when the actress in her emerges...no matter how bad you feel, don't let it show.
Thank you for this clarification. John Daly's introductory remark left me hanging!
@@KJoyInTheMorning I know! I thought her husband died. John should have KNOWN better than to put it like that!
What barbell accident? I haven't heard anything about that. OMGOODNESS. Please clarify. Thank you!
Never mind, someone told what happens further down below. What a terrible accident... heartbreaking!
Thank you for your time.
@@kristabrewer9363 John didn't expect that somebody will watch this 60 years later having no idea what was going on. Back then people obviously knew already. And also what you expect that John will enter in details?
Here in the UK Eamonn Andrews was most famous for being the presenter of This Is Your Life, a show in which he surprised a well-known person with a red book, led him or her to a TV studio and told the person's life story with friends and relatives coming on as guests. John Daly mispronounced his Irish first name several times by saying Ee-mon when it should be A-mon (a bit like amen in church).
If you pronounce Amen in church as "Ey-men," then you're the last one qualified to judge someone's accent. OK, I'm just taking the mickey...
But really! Eamonn like like Amen?? Tsk, tsk.
@@thecandidcounterbalance1492 - indeed. As a raunchy lady I once knew used to say: "Ahh, men!!!" ;-)
Eamonn also presented the UK WML.
I did a quick search to find the distressing situation that John Daly mentioned at the beginning. This might be what John was talking about. I found it on Wikipedia:
Francis, Gabel, and their son Peter were vacationing in Connecticut when the 1960 incident happened. Francis had instructed their maid to shampoo the carpet while they were away. The maid kept windows open for a long time to minimize the smell of the shampoo. The dumbbell was part of the equipment that Francis used for her regular exercise of weightlifting.
I just found out the the Gabel's only child, son Peter, passed away last month, Oct 25, 2022. He's survived by one son, as well.
And Bennnett's son, his lifelong friend, gave a heartwarming eulogy. There's a video of it.
Dorothy can figure out anything. If she were born in another generation, she would have been a fierce investigator for any city police department, undercover or otherwise.
Wasn't she murdered or sth?
@@kiks399 There’s a book on her, seems she was about to break who killed Kennedy
Why would Dorothy chose a public service law enforcement career with a moderate salary (albeit with a generous pension) over much more lucrative writing?
@@stevekru6518 She might have been civic minded, maybe? Don't pretend to be clever, for once. Just enjoy the show.
She actually was a crime reporter earlier in her career.
Mike Nichols did so many brilliant things -- I was sorry to hear the news that he died last year, leaving Diane Sawyer a widow. Mr. Nichols and Ms. Sawyer had been married since 1988.
I had never heard of either guest until this episode (not even as husband of Ms Sawyer) despite my admiration for the career of Diane Sawyer.... a sad commentary on any person's Legacy that even before their death I might have seen Mike but knew nothing of him and thus didnt put any importance beyond being a husband if I had been told that much at the time (assuming i even ever did see him)
(BTW there are many of the pair's routines on CZcams for anyone who wishes to see their humor in action.)
they can be found by searching Nichols & May
qaz wiz It’s not a sad commentary on his legacy that you never heard of him. It’s a sad commentary on your knowledge of American culture. Mike Nichols directed The Graduate, Catch-22, Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf, Silkwood, Working Girl, Biloxi Blues and many more.
@@richardvinsen2385 Agreed. Hard to imagine how anyone could have not heard of Mike Nichols.
The LP of their Broadway show won an Oscar but the two broke up suddenly the following year. The two did do some work together later,. Yet it worked out fine for both. Nichols won the Oscar for Best Director for The Graduate and Elaine May has had a career of outstanding longevity, winning a Tony in 2019.
They are both amazing artists, and remained always friends, see the tribute Elaine May dedicated to Nichols at his AFI lifetime achievement if you haven't, she'll blow you away😆
@@kalmia01 she's incredibly witty and smart, with extraordinary comedic timing...
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I think you probably mean that their LP won a Grammy; Oscars are for movies.
Awesome cool thanks for this update❤
Well it's all good😂
Elaine May reminds me Ann Bancroft
only one degree of separation -- Nichols directed Ann Bancroft in "The Graduate." I wonder if he thought Bancroft reminded her of May.
@@preppysocks209 It's Anne (not Ann)...c'mon preppy socks, with all your fine comments, I'm sure you know that!
And, yes, I agree that Elaine May does resemble Anne Bancroft quite a bit!
@@robertfiller8634 the initial error threw me. Sorry. Nobody's perfect. I appreciate that you generally like my comments.
After 10 plus years of the RCA DX-77 Microphones being used on "What's My Line" , CBS started using the new (in 1960) Electro-Voice 666 Microphones for the panel, the contestants/Mystery Guests and Mr. Daly for the first time in this episode. I know this made Mr. Paley very happy because of his hatred for RCA/NBC Chairman Gen. Sarnoff!
John Harber Sarnoff was not a nice man. Lee Deforest would have agreed with that, along with Farnsworth.
The majority of CEOs are not nice men. It's very refreshing when you do meet a nice one.
The cowboy is adorable
And on a golden girls episode the ladies sing the Rheingold beer jingle.
The vocabulary and English usage of all involved is something you would not find on American TV today.
Yes, even the cowboy spoke of Nemesis.
I was thinking the same thing. A child, or adult, could certainly bone up on their vocabulary and astuteness, and etiquette and politeness, in conversations with others, just by watching these shows.
the Americans say he did good, instead of well. also i'm good instead of fine. how frightfully childish!!
A sad reality.
@@michaelangood Far from all of us. Please don't paint with such a broad brush.
Arlene said, “Near beer” in 1960. I had no idea the term was that old.
I saw an early 1930s film that a bartender was asked for a drink of whiskey. He replied, “Of course you can...NOT”
I drank some near beer in the late '60s but I didn't like the taste at the time. I was a teenager in the late '60s. A young teenager.
I’m too lazy to google, but is it possible the term near beer originated under prohibition?
@@stevekru6518 I'm too lazy to Google for you. :)
In the 1800’s and earlier it was called “Small Beer”
The contrast in the appearance of the Irishman when he smiles with teeth and when he doesn't is ASTONISHING
8:58 had me thinking, "YIKES!"
John should have flipped another card after Mr. Gillette gave Dorothy a "no" to her cattleman question. Mr. Gillette explained quite articulately the definition of a cattleman, which did not fit his own occupation. Bennett thought he was kidding about him being a cowboy, but he deserves the win, because it was his turn.
83 year-old cowboy, but John does not flip all the cards and lets him leave with $10 - that was so wrong!
@@robertfiller8634 I agree!
@@robertfiller8634 - It's my understanding that according to Gil Fates' book, all contestants got the $50.00 for playing, regardless. The cards were merely a 'visual' to help keep score. (I could be way off on that, but have heard it from a few other sources as well.)
When did he die? By 1960 he was already fairly old. He was still working at being a Cowboy.
Feel sorry for the last one they hurry them through--no fun for them.
I'm 68 and did hear of Mike Nichols and Elaine May unlike some others commenting here. However, I always assumed they were married to each other, at least for a time. I learned tonight for the first time, they were not...
POPsicles on Father's day, lol! Oh, Bennet!
Could he get more droll.
I was surprised to hear John calling Eamonn Andrews, Emonn . Arlene got it right pronounced Amonn .
4:05 in. Listen carefully he did pronounce his name correctly. At 5:16/5:58 one would realise was a slip of the tongue. John is reading fast & has allot to think about conducting in his vocation.
My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys.... sometimes on WML we see the end of an era.
What happened to Arlene that John referred to? The old cowboy would have been born in 1880 and would be 143 in 2023. He would have been born 15 years after Lincoln was assassinated.
This is the first time in which it appears that John Daly asked each contestant to "enter and sign in, please" rather than "come in." I don't know if that is where the joke in "Sunshine Boys" came from, but "enter" is better.
Fascinating that being a referee who worked a world heavyweight championship fight WASN'T his main occupation! Then again, I wonder if Reingold Beer even exists today!
I was curious also and looked it up. They went out of business in 1976.
We never had it out in the west, it was a NY product. We had Hamms and Olympia beer 🍺 and they're out of business too. Seems every fine independent business gets swallowed up by big conglomerates.
Elaine May is still living. She's 89.
Elaine May, an extraordinary creator writer & performer. As was Mike Nichols. Plus he directed and produced. Such exceptional talent. RIP Elaine and Mike. 🙏❤
@@annajacob7981: Elaine is still alive as of Jan 2, 2023. She is 90.
@@accomplice55 Thanks for the correction. Apologies, Ms. May. We treasure and salute you 👏✨️💕
SEE: www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/episode-519-96903/
John Daly mentioned at the outset of this episode that these were "difficult and trying times" for Arlene, and that they urged her to appear on the show. See link for explanation @ "DIFFICULT AND TRYING TIMES FOR ARLENE".
That link no longer works so try this one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Francis#Personal_life
I think Dorothy takes the game too serious sometimes. Then she behaves a little goaty.
I take your point but ALL of the regulars, not just Dorothy, have their 'determined' moments on one episode or another of this show. I've seen Arlene and Bennett fervently argue a case for their questionning. Daly when he gets on point with a matter certainly keeps a tight ship with his moderating. Dorothy I'd say was more competitive than the others....but that's GOOD. It betrays her superb, by all accounts, investigative talents!!
Plus don't forget Ernest Hemingway described her as one of, if not THE, most important US voices in the written word.
I do think it's another one of those things where, if she was a man, her determination and pedantry would go unnoticed. Somehow being a woman with forearm length gloves, looking pretty doesn't quite 'go' with robustness of intellect for some people!!
Goaty ??
@@gailsirois7175 Greatest Of All Time-y perhaps
Competitive
Ohmigod! All of these comments about people other than :
Elaine May and Mike Nichols🌹
👉🏾Simply Brilliant! If you wander onto this, and aren’t familiar with them:
Go directly to CZcams : Nichols and May!
Yes, Mike Nichols is the man who directed: The Graduate, Carnal Knowledge, etcetera. #Hilarious❣️
They were all wonderfully polite, publicly, and on this lovely program!
Nichols and May. Incredibly brilliant.
Nichols and May were both amazingly talented! Nichols went on to great heights as a director. And Elaine, the brilliant writer and performer that she is, has a wonderful career. One of my favorites is A New Leaf, with May and Walter Matthau. Elaine delivers one of the all time great comedic performances. It ought to be better known. Loved her in, Small Time Crooks, with Woody Allen, too. I'm a huge fan of hers. Great to see this forward thinking comedy team on WML!
She Arlene is so gorgeous.
Nothing against the monolithic brewers like Budweiser and Miller, I so wish the regional beers were still important to their various regions such as Rheingold, Stroh, Iron City, Hamms, Olympia, Lone Star, etc. But, alas, everything ate up by conglomerates. If youngsters don't know what I refer too, look the above brewers on CZcams with commercials.
Very true. I grew up in NY, when we had Schaefer and Rheingold beer. It was economical and they were damn good beers. Great tv jingles, too.
"Schaefer is the, one beer to have, when you're having more than one" Yes, we generally followed that advise, too. 😎👍
Bifurcated market. The oligopolists - Budweiser is owned by multinational InBev AB, Miller is owned by Molson Coors - but this is the hay-day of thousands of craft breweries. Regionals are out
Hilarious ending. John Daly made it work.
Of course, Mike Nichols was married to Diane Sawyer, from 1988 until his death in 2014.
These men are pawns! They were just a couple of songwriters who came to Ishtar.
Mr Daly has got jack Benny down to a tee
When did Dorothy stop wearing gloves? A small sartorial millstone in the loosening of standards.
An 83 yr old cowboy; witty too! Good for him
Poor Dorothy having to say those scripted complements about Cerf
I'm really surprised Daly pronounces Eamonn as EEEmonn. He's the only one in the world. Is it a little dig for being him such a good moderator while Daly was away on holiday (only kidding, but...well).
lmao the face Mike Nichols makes at 20:15 when he's asked if he and Elaine May are married
Elaine May’s daughter was a wonderful actress who played in the movie “ The Heartbreak Kid” with Charles Grodin and many more movies. Elaine May was a genius at early ad-lib and comedy writing, directing and producing.
Arlene and Bennett are always the most astute players.
Cerf is the most cheating
@@gailsirois7175 And your proof of this is?
Are Mike Nichols & Elaine May still friends with each other?
The most recent I saw of them together is a photo from 2003.
Vahan Nisanian : He died, but: Absolutely! You can find the two of them talking, quite recently, in fact🌹
Simply search CZcams : Nichols and May! Enjoy❣️
Cram master Graham sighting just before nichols & may
Love those dresses!
I attended and 1980 revival of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolff" in which Nichols and May played George and Martha. Swoozie Kurtz played Honey. I can't remember who was the other lead. It was at the Long Wharf Theatre in New Haven. The letdown was there was a power outage in New Haven and the performance ended after only 45 minutes.
Oh my God, really? How was the forty-five minutes?
@@Playwright62 I can only think that it was really good since our group was very unhappy that we did not seem it through the end and that Long Wharf was unable to reschedule it!
Oh no! What happened to "the show must go on."?
I Googled for you. It was James Naughton.
@@accomplice55 Thanks, I remembered it was a known actor so now you have filled in my blank!
can anyone help me out with this question?
I have been watching these episodes mostly in order.
I could have sworn in an earlier episode they mentioned a similar accident where someone was killed near Arlene's apartment, but it was a flower pot and the next of kin was trying to blame Arlene but there was no proof that Arlene was responsible.
was there another accident similar to the one mentioned in this episode?
maybe it didn't involve Arlene or maybe no one was killed?
maybe the newsmedia first reported this accident as involving a flowerpot and that no one died?
Wikipedia says that her maid left a dumbbell near an open window which fell out and killed a man. She and her husband were not home at the time. The man's relative did get a monetary settlement from them.
What Jimmy said, plus she killed a woman in a car accident.
@@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 What? Please explain.
there was an episode when Arlene wore a hat Martin gave her that resembled a flower pot. John joked it had fallen onto Arlene. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. Then there was a vehicle accident in 1963 Arlene was involved in and a woman was killed.
Dear Dorothy - Fire your hairdresser.
Dear god, it gets so much worse as the 60s progress. . .
What's My Line? -- Arlene's hair kept getting better, I find -- she had a hairdresser who, most of the time, found a way to do her hair that made her look better. With Dorothy, though, as you said, it got so much worse. When it got to the point that she wore hairpieces that sat on top of her head like a wedding cake, it was really not good at all. Fortunately, Arlene didn't go that route.
Arlene got prettier as the years went on.
Dorothy was always very fashion-forward. She started teasing her hair in June of 1960, months before Jackie Kennedy would set a nationwide trend for American women to wear the French bouffant (often with a "flipped" curl).
In the 1960s, it was considered very ugly for a woman to have flat hair, and nearly every woman adopted some form of the bouffant. To achieve its monumentous heights, women would sleep on jumbo rollers (or sit under a drier at a beauty parlor), then back-comb the under layers of hair into a tangled birds nest, and finally smooth the top layer over with a brush and several layers of hairspray. The finished product often looked as wispy as cotton candy, while simultaneously hard as a rock.
I always enjoy seeing Dorothy's hairstyles in these 1960s episodes because they were works of art - they took literally hours to accomplish - and they were never the same.
I'm surprised Arlene and Dorothy didn't stand for the cowboy. They usually always stand for the elderly contestants.
At 7:51 when Arlene asks if it is "potable rather than solid" and John asks Arlene if she means "can you carry it"......I'm assuming John either a) did not know the definition of the word "potable" or b) misheard and though she said "portable".... ?
John may also have misheard it as "totable."
I immediatly thought of Will Farrell, doing Celebrity Jeopardy, on SNL. "The next category is potent potables"... Lol.
To me it was clear that John knew exactly what Arlene said and meant and was just being punny!
@@josephhoag2366 I think that's exactly it.
He was joking
Never knew that Cowboy is a carrier .... Wow...
Well, there are still cattle ranches, so there are still (at least some) cowboys out there working.
Back when people had good penmanship.
Mike Nichols was possibly the niftiest disguiser of complete hairlessness in the public life of his era.
"My son the nurse." was funny back then. In those day's The line would have been; " My son the Doctor."
Still not common.
Rheingold must be the official drink during Wagner's operas' intervals.
Mr. Gillette has the unfortunate coincidence of having the same nickname as Will Rogers, which means I have to fend off information about Rogers with a stick. Anyway, Gillette's legal name was Otis Theodore, but, once he hit his late 70s, he kept telling people it actually was Old Trapper, though I admit that might've been part of the Buffalo Park script. Also, he was actually 'only' 74 at the point he was on WML. Seems to have done a lot of that type of personal mythmaking. Was born in Texas, and lived as a cowboy, cook, stagecoach driver, and anything else you care to name for a good many years. Worked on Babbitt Ranches (in Arizona), mostly as a cook. Was a Flagstaff institution, and was on a couple of different radio stations for 25 years, and wrote a column in a Flagstaff newspaper for some time, which is frankly rather irritating, as it's done in dialect. Had a wife and 5 kids, possibly in El Paso. (Wife pre-deceased him. He may've abandoned the family during the Depression, or possibly, left them to go make money. It is unclear. There was certainly a rapprochement later on, if it was an abandonment, since his son Kirk took care of him for the last couple years of his life, in California.) There's a bunch of pictures of him in his later 70s, working as a Scenic Cowboy at a Flagstaff tourist museum (the aforementioned Buffalo Park), which either make me grumpy or amused. Can't tell which. Maybe both.
On the bright side, I like his beard: www.cardcow.com/519733/o-t-gillett-flagstaff-arizona/
Thank you. I was looking for information on him, but hadn't gotten far.
Wow.
20:30 I thought he was doing Roger Ebert but it might be too early
Definitely too early; Roger Ebert graduated from Urbana High School the month this episode aired.
John flips over those cards for people who gets 35 and even 40 dollars, but he wouldn't flip them over for the guy who gets TEN
I think everyone leaves with $250 given after the show.
@@miketheyunggod2534 Krista is obsessed with John flipping over the cards.
You and your damn card flipping obsession. The cards were the least important aspect of the game. Just enjoy the fun, lady.
When the gods walked the earth.
I don't understand all this talk about Dorothy and alcohol. I've heard about her tragic death, but if she ever has appeared tipsy at the panel, a work she seemed to enjoy, she for sure has been sharp as a razors blade anyway. I've been pondering a lot about this, and think that if I had been in her shoes, I might have been drinking myself. (By the way; there should have been a lot of hairdressers fired in the 60's. Some lack of elegance there was indeed!)
It's well known now that she was hospitalized, I think more than once, for substance abuse problems-- something she probably would have disclosed in her own column if the patient was any famous person but herself. That said, the instances where Dorothy's behavior/speech are affected are probably only obvious to the folks who are already inclined to notice it. Even in the most extreme example of all, her meltdown introducing Bennett in a show a couple of years later, it's not at all clear that it was caused by inebriation. She acted perfectly normally for the rest of that show.
I'm resigned to the fact that this topic is unavoidably going to keep coming up. . . Dorothy may annoy me on the panel quite often, but I find this aspect of her life very sad and try not to pay attention to it unless something unavoidably obvious happens, like in that episode referred to you above (can't remember which one it was)..
What's My Line? I know a good many people do find Dorothy annoying, but I never really understood that. She anchored the panel by being its most serious member, but she usually retained her good humor and wit throughout each broadcast. Like all of us, she had her share of problems, but -- for the most part -- she kept those problems out of view when she was before the cameras.
thomas thompson She could be very grating in the 1950s-- she had softened considered on WML by the time the 1960s rolled around. In the 1950s she tended to hog the screen time asking redundant questions she already knew the answer to, she routinely argued with John after the rounds ended about the way he interpreted questions, and she was *too* serious for the tone of the show, in my opinion. She remained a serious game player in the 1960s, but without the hard edge she had in the 1950s. Ironically, as her persona grew softer on WML, she was simultaneously becoming ever more vicious and capricious in her column.
I don't understand the bickering about Dorthy.... I have seen recollections about her being a serious newswoman, not just a society (gossip) columnist ... in fact, second gunman conspiratorists can look to her death for additional ammunition as she seems to have been following a lead to the Ruby assassination at the time of her untimely demise. her WML dourness could easly be a somber face of an investigative reporter opposite to Bennett's wisecracking personality that seems to have lost reputation with his "Popsicle on father's day" pun
Bennett's joke, Popsicle guy on father's day? I don't get it.
I think you're only not getting it because it's such a completely stupid pun, even by Bennett's usual standards. :) Popsicle = Pop, Pop = another word for Father.
POP !! as in Dad, Father...etc...Really ??
Joke was only a few days late.. although they did get better with themes and seasons as the show went on.
Love the Irishman. How awesome was the cowdy!
Australians call them cowdys. Cool.
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See how cosmetic dentistry has changed over the years.
Are you referring to the infamous British Isles teeth work?
Does Mike Nichols resemble Tom Poston just a little bit?
With a cross with Liberace
Back when tv had class.
Is she the Margaret Sullivan who was married to Henry Fonda? That Margaret Sullavan commited suicide in 1950, not 1960.
Why is Arlene so sad?
Someone got killed when a dumbell fell out of her appartment .
Her maid had a dumbbell to prop open the window and it fell out and killed somebody
You're not paying attention
Instead of having the celebrities try to disguise their voices - which didn't always work well - they should've either nodded or shaken their head, and have the host give the answer
George and Gracie actually attempted knocking on the desk to answer questions. Which didn't work very well at all.
I’ve had the same thought, but then again the MG’s attempts to disguise their voice was part of the fun.
@@mikejschin Those disguised voices were loved by the studio audience and viewers at home, and what we love today as we watch - a big part of the fun!
Eamonn Andrews was on this show several times. All a bit incestuous.
I'm 74, and never heard of Elaine May & Mike Nichols
Jack Val that’s kind of embarrassing.
Pity. I, too, am 74 and enjoyed their brand of humor from the late 50's through the early -to-mid 60's.
@@aet5807 As they were at most a flash in the pan, remembering them might be more embarrassing
Me neither, born in sixties didn't have a tv.
Oh for the days when the population was actually educated. Now everyone disparages the "East Coast Liberals". Google everyone here they are all fascinating.
Gillette? As in razors?
Not as valid as when they had Picasso play pictionary.
Once again bennet cerf steps in when it’s not his turn and spoils the game.
Yes, it's a shame the delightful, 80+ year old cowboy with an injured thumb only won $10. John usually steps in when Bennet's out of turn, but not this time, for some reason. They all seemed a bit distracted by themselves that night.
@@thecandidcounterbalance1492 By this point in the show, all challengers received $50 for their appearance, regardless of what they "won" on stage.
He always does
I'm 75, and never heard of Elaine May & Mike Nichols
Watch their funeral routine. They were so phenomenally funny.
They were very famous for their comedy (often targeting aspects of US culture) during the sixties.
You have some fun in store filling in the blanks of Nichols and May! She won the Tony Award for Best Actress in a Play for a 2018 performance when she was in her 80s.
I'm 60 and I have.
So sorry for you...they are quite well known to this day
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Mr. Daly seems like someone Elaine May didn't care much for.
Not at all - she was ill, as he clearly states. She seems to be wincing throughout, so perhaps she was in pain.
This is not a criticism of the channel or the uploader as such. It's directed to whoever edited these for presentation. Every single darned episode has without fail a scruffy edit around the 'word from our sponsor' section. Either Daly's words are cut off or we see flashes of 80s adverts in colour or both! It's soooo irritating and especially as it could've been easily resolved. Using iMovie it would've taken about twenty seconds to tidy those parts up either with a more precise edit or even a short fade out and fade in. We forgive it as a viewer every episode but really it's a sloppy way to preserve one of the oldest landmark television programmes.
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