Ultimate TBC Ret Pally PvP Guide! Arenas, BattleGrounds, World PvP! Tips vs Each Class!
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In this video I give a long verbal explanation on how to play Retribution Paladin in TBC! I show my talents, macros, gear, class tips, tips for facing each class, potential comps, new spells, duels, how to burst, rotation, what seals do, and a conclusion!
Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:41 - New Spells and Racials, from Classic to TBC
6:11 - Talents
8:04 - Gear
11:05 - Macros
12:45 - Tips and Tricks
18:20 - Rotation/How to Play Ret
21:42 - How to Burst! Big Damage!
24:40 - What to do against each class
24:59 - What to do against Rogues
27:23 - What to do against Warriors
28:15 - What to do against Shamans
29:40 - What to do against Mages
31:08 - What to do against Druid
32:10 - What to do against Hunters
32:31 - What to do against Priest
33:20 - What to do against Warlocks
34:16 - Good 3v3 Comps
35:57 - Conclusion
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:41 - New Spells and Racials, from Classic to TBC
6:11 - Talents
8:04 - Gear
11:05 - Macros
12:45 - Tips and Tricks
18:20 - Rotation/How to Play Ret
21:42 - How to Burst! Big Damage!
24:40 - What to do against each class
24:59 - What to do against Rogues
27:23 - What to do against Warriors
28:15 - What to do against Shamans
29:40 - What to do against Mages
31:08 - What to do against Druid
32:10 - What to do against Hunters
32:31 - What to do against Priest
33:20 - What to do against Warlocks
34:16 - Good 3v3 Comps
35:57 - Conclusion
Thank you, very detailed!
This is a good guide, but you made a mistake around 3:40 when describing CS. It does *not* proc SoC. It might have on some private servers, but it does not on retail. This makes the advice to always press every 6 seconds less reliable because the mana/damage tradeoff is much less. Could you correct the video?
I play a shockadin but I really liked the way you broke down the different abilities and tips; a lot of them are transferable. You explained yourself in a very clear and easy to follow way. Very good video and you've definitely helped my understanding of not just ret paladins but the paladin class in pvp.
Man... one of the best or best explained video in TBC rotation and tips for a serious Retribution gaming, really good info to maximize a Ret. Very very good job.
This is amazing content. Great job. Looking forward to TBC classic and this is some of the best pally prep video out there.
Last time i played TBC was in 2009, and i'm thinking about playing it again. Tbh i don't remember a thing from mechanics and most importantly, i was a noob player back then, so this is a very refreshing guide, thankyou Executus, i rly appreciate the efford u put in every video u make.
Awesome video mate. Love the music in the background 🔥👏
Omg this is going to be a series?! Omg omg can't wait!
Ty dude, i started 1 week ago to lvlup my ret pally for tbc, your video really help me :)
Awesome vid's, love the background music btw, fits very well!
Good stuff man thx for the vid! I second the MoP movement for sure haha!
Exactly what I needed fam keep it up big love
The best sounding voice and expert advice, 1st class all the way!
Awesome stuff! Really helps
Great guide, amazing job.
So is this gonna be a series for every class? I'd really look forward to that since I'm a terminal altaholic.
same
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I read that as *alcoholic* and I was like jeez, this guy's dying wish...
2:14 Silences don't have diminishing returns in TBC, it was added Wotlk.
Patch 3.0.8 (2009-01-20): All Silence spells now have diminishing returns. This includes: [Arcane Torrent], [Garrote] silence effect, [Improved Counterspell] effect, [Improved Kick] effect, [Silence], [Gag Order], [Silencing Shot], [Spell Lock], and [Strangulate].
CANT WAIT FOR MAGE GUIDE. GREAT VIDEO!
TBC will be Poggers !!!
Very solid overview of the ret paladin. I wanted to share a note on opening on targets coming off from repentance. You mentioned opening the rotation with a crusader strike and use the time of the repentance to cleanse, however with a 3.8sec swing timer you are actually better off using most of that stun to get an auto-attack (procs) and spell batch into a SoC judgement cuz its more dmg on stunned target and finally complete with a crusader strike. Since judgment is off GCD you can actually get all this burst at once before breaking the stun, avoiding fears, DC, silences, blinks you know the drill
Thanks! I will keep it in mind!
GREAT VIDEO TYYYY
Solid vid. Had a Ret alt forever from wrath on. Mines 67 and has been solely prot. Thinking I’ll get a set to farm strath and pvp for the end of tbc on ret. Appreciate all the info.
thanks for this video, ret is gonna be fun to play :D!
Not really, u cant really use your off or deff because dispell.
Oh look, pally with wings lets dispell/purge/steal them and hard switch on because he cant bubble.
And when u bubble there is always a priest...
Pally was no fun back in tbc
You can bind the auras from the special action bar section instead of making a whole new bar for them.
If you're going to switch to seal of blood to judge, find a different libram than one that procs off of judgement of command.
If you're specced into pursuit of justice, don't get a movement speed enchant or gems, you're wasting Stat allocation, they don't stack.
I’ve tried binding special action bar, but being able to leverage the same 1-4 binds from action bar page 2 seems superior.
i love your GUILD :D MOP classic im in a WAITING ROOM
Nice one man!
hope to see complete PvP guide for druids :) keep up the grest work
The main reason, why paladins dont judge justice in classic is, that the rank 1 spell only applies the no-fear effect. that movement limitation comes in tbc with rank 2. it is useful for the stun proc on hits though. also i really like to still take eye for an eye with 1/3 into vindication, just to have that extra magic debuff apllied to protect your HoJ/rep or your shamans shocks, with ret pally also having 30% dispel protection, it is very decent. Great video overall, enjoying your content :)
Ret doesn't seem meta but honestly think I'll just play something I like and roll ret. Thanks for going over this spec. Been watching you for years now. Keep it up man
15:50 You'll actually be running at 115%, thanks to Pursuit of Justice. It doesn't stack with other movement speed amplifiers however, so a boots enchant for movement speed does nothing for Retribution Paladins speced into Pursuit of Justice.
The way it works is that it doesn't stack, but it always gives you the highest buff.
3% from Boots + 15% from Pursuit = 15% from Pursuit, ignoring Boots
30% from AotP + 15% from Pursuit = 30% from AotP, ignoring Pursuit
I’d also add that Surefooted enchante doesn’t provide any movement speed at all. Might have been mistaken with Boar’s speed or Cat’s swiftness or even Minor speed enchants
Im still trying to work out if I wanna play Warrior or Pally. Love the video
This channel gonna blow up in TBC. Resto Shammie guide when?
awesome thank you
Thanks
Thank you for the guide! Any particular professions you recommend for ret?
I’d say it depends on your swing timer whether or not you CS or SoC
Executus will you make ultimate guide for warlock? can you make a playlist of all the "Ultimate" guides? :D great video
Thanks for the video Executus. How viable is Cupid 3s in TBC you think? Quite a setup comp, but I haven't heard it talked about a lot for upcoming TBC Classic. What tier would you say it is? Strengths/Weaknesses? Is it a Rank 1 type of comp, glad, or perhaps what tier would you slot it in? It seems fun to try out in TBC, I just figured it was more of a later xpac comp.
really nice guides man! are you doing one for rogue too please? :D
So early I’m glad !! If you make one for affl warlock or shadow priest I’d love it ! Thx
Loved the tips per class. Have you tried seal twisting for your burst? Theres some serious 1 shot potential going from SoC into a start attack with SoB/wings/trinket. This does have me re-think my burst window with moving out of rank 1 SoC just for the burst. Rep > Max rank SoC judge > HoJ > re-apply SoC > Seal twist with SoB/Wings/Trink.
I am looking at the same thing. I have been twisting as normal in PvP and Arena, but I am now looking at max rank SoC instead and only sometimes using SoB, so as not to damage myself too much. I dunno how much other Rets twist in PvP?
@@edwardroberts739 you absolutely have to seal twist and use rank 1 SoC.
Ya if ur not seal twisting ur not doing dmg.. and yes I switch to soc rank 6 when I rep or hoj someone. Cool trick that no one seems to mention is u can put rep and judgement into one macro and if u have rank 6 SoC active. Hit that macro and you will rep and judge at same time and get use of the extra dmg from SoC and still not break rep.
Yay thanks 🙂
I've been hearing that a reck based spec that doesn't run crusader strike is the way to go, but the fact that crusader strike can proc wf and SoC is pretty attractive.
yeah i remember reck being SOOO broken, i think i might still have the screenshot on my old pc where i went 48-0 in AB and it was like this every single BG and i wasnt even that geared, SO much fun!
Love this guide man! Are you planning on playing ret as your main in tbc?
Do you plan to do a shaman one? really looking forward to that!
I love your hotbar set ups, how would you modify this for a human who does not have the Blood Elf facials?
It’s probably been said but the PvP trinket takes off the slowing judgment
8:53 little error here, 1% crit is actually 25 agi, not 20agi
You are hit capped, you have extra 2% hit rating in your talents. Save Repentance for reaching target, cc other target, interrupt or prolong cc after stun so shaman can purge for e.g. druids nature swiftness if there was like some little time between the stun and repentance and it gives shaman another free cast on the enemy. Seal twist is something you need to cover since sometimes your only way to win is with that damage even tho its a rng.
we need this kinda vid for wotlk
Just released a class picking guide!
Nice Guide been playing Holy paladin from tbc to MOP going Ret now. How bout Seal twisting?
Any chance you could do a similar video with Shadow priest?
What professions would you pick for PvP?
seal twisting is important enough to have its own section
Is seal twisting going to be a thing with 10ms spell batching? I know its a thing in classic because of batching
@@ExecutusGaming it mostly works on beta right now but is kind of buggy depending on the seals used. they made an exemption for paladin seals batching in the 1.13.7 PTR notes but i don't know if that made it any farther. on endless it definitely works, check SpeankTBC's channel to see how he did it last season
@@ExecutusGaming it works in the new classic patch yesterday. The 10ms batch doesn’t matter. You can correctly twist Seal of command and Seal of righteous, but it’s not a huge DPS increase like blood would do.
I imagine in actual Tbc it’ll be better and be fixed for bi-directional seal twisting
@@ExecutusGaming They specifically implemented a .5 second delay into some seal rotations to make it possible even with batching essentially removed. Also you should really look into the reckoning build for ret pvp, as it has the potential to basically one shot people with crazy rng, when coupled with twisting and windfury totem.
@@Axt3r can you share the build man , ty!
hi ! Good job for your video. I have a question for you : if crusader strike has a chance to proc seal of command, why you judge before and dont reset seal of command for your crusader strike ? Maybe its better to do crusader strike before judging.
CS cant proc soc.
Would love to see Ele shaman
you better do this for every class
As a warrior one of the comps I plan on playing is war/ret/sham. Super good cleave. Idk if it’s better than war/enhan/rdruid though.
It is good, but I like ret enhance! Super crazy burst
No seal twisting??? Also, always kings over might? and isn't eye for an eye talent better than improved holy aura?
With the optimal amount of resil, you shouldn't be getting crit much by spells to make the talent worthwhile.
I have either missed it or you did not mention Seal Twisting. Sorry if I did miss it, but a Ret guide without any focus on seal twisting is just lacking. It is the very reason Rets are viable ^^
23:57 that's a trinket from zul'jin brother
Im open to being wrong, but as far as Seal of Justice is concerned, I dont think "fleeing" is considered a fear. Its more in PvE when you get a humanoid low, they run away. This prevents that.
Hey executus what class will you be maiming in tbc?
Should i Twink a Pally or just cap lvl pvp?
Great video thank you bro
would you say that those talents are still good for the current season?
Do you think Ret is better as alliance or horde? I already have a lvl50 ally paladin but am considering rerolling blood elf. I’m used to playing horde but went alliance for this char
Hi, perfect guide! thx! Whats name of addon or WA that makes enemy shammy totems look so? 29:06
Warlock next!
@Executus Gaming hey man love your vids! Quick question, is a ret viable with a restodruid in 2s?
Ofc!
Surefooted speed doesnt matter if you have pursuit of justice
Hey ! You think a reckoning pvp build is viable?
@Executus Gaming : I will play Both PvP and PvE. And I can’t figure out my weapon from BS . Is it a big loose in PvE aspect if I go for Deep Thunder so I can have stun for PvP?
Thank u very much! Really nice guide...
Just 2 questions
-u mentioned that u need to have speed boost on your shoes. Doesnt retris have a talent That gives them 15% speed increase?
-would a ret pala and a rogue be a Good combi?
Thank u :)))
Thanks! The speed increase is to mount speed I think. They may also have movement speed but I'm not entirely sure. The speed to boot enchant is still very good! Ret rogue is awesome!
@@ExecutusGaming thank u very much for ur reply!
Any tips for this setup?:)))
Crusader strike does not proc seals.
So what do I do if the mage knows how to spellsteal? I find 9/10 duels/fights with mages revolves around if they can steal my freedom during crucial moments.
Can i have your thought on seal twisting in pvp ?
also seal of justice never slowed in vanilla, only in tbc and at rank 2 and above
Mate, where is the sealtwist burst?
How big is the difference between a human pala and a blood elf in arena?
hey! what is the addon that shows icon of totem above the totem and their casts? Thank you!
Do you implement seal twisting often?
u cant reflect hammer of wrath because its not a spell , its a ranged attack
*MOP It's my favorite PvP expansion too !*
You dont mention seal twisting in the rotation. Is that something that isnt used that much,?
How do you think double Ret will do in tbc 2s?
Rogue next please!
Where is seal twisting on burst? :o
what about shadow priest and the mana drain they have?
Crusader strike CANNOT proc seal of command.
I loved MOP pvp... a lot. Ele casting LB on the move was my absolute favorite.. along with carrying people on my ww monk 1v2.. so ez.
hey bud im at 60 should i go full ret then work on the prot
damn kinda wanna play bloodelf badly but cba swapping to horde
dang you didnt cover seal twisting
You dont try and get off seal twist 1 shots?
why no seal twisting? it gives 2 times more dmg
what is the keybind is it set to the shift scroll for auras? does anyone know? thanks.
Do you use a 1h and shield for tanks or melee dps? Or do you use a 1h and shield with +sp & healing for the extra heals?
1h and shield for melee dps like warriors and rogues. Increased armor reduces melee damage taken
Hey, I played a warrior in tbc arena and I'm interested in ret this time acound. Is it actually good? and dos the shaman need to be a god in order to win? How do they compare to warriors in how hard/easy they are to play in arena games?
Much easier to play than a warrior. They can be good if played well but lack an interrupt. So having a good shaman is nice.
One question, why Swordsmith not The thunder
Did I miss the seal twisting part? Shouldn't just be using SoC.... is this just a pvp thing you dont twist....?
No seal twisting for burst?