Hey buddy. I have that 8362 in my truck now and when I had the distributor off to check my contacts I noticed the same thing on my weights. I've had it for almost 2 years now and it's been ok. I don't have 600 HP though. Just a 350 Chevy motor. I did order replacement weights and springs. You ain't lying about the loose weights. By the way they are going for $181 these days
Make sure that dist. gear is compatible with your roller cam. I used a comp. cams composite gear on my pro billet. Also nice build so far. Cali cars are amazing. No rot or rust. You got a good foundation.
I just set up a street fire which was a customers leftover for use with an msd box. I yanked the module, coil, etc. and just have the trigger wires. The Spings that came with mine look much tighter. It came with bushings over the drive gear and doesn't have any slop. It all looks good and well, but I'll be happy to report back with my results once that motor is started... I used the guts for my daily driver with mild 350. In my Squarebody on 38's I use an Accel Performance replacement with an MSD box and it's worked very well. Dizzy be like $115 with no coil, so its perfect to buy for MSD Box trigger. Weights had no up and down slop at all like well machined piece. A good alternative, if you don't wanna fork out 300+ for that PB. Tho I'll say I've had one, works Well!.
I went with the 8394 digital e- curve on my build.. I hope it works as advertised when I am ready to drop the engine in and get it all hooked up. Good job on your build by the way.
It's not that their junk but more so that everything has its limits...especially for the money. It's only obvious that you get what you pay for and actually they are very good units for the price. MSD doesn't claim them to be used for race applications etc but more so as a factory or stock replacement up to mild/medium hi performance street engines and that covers anything up to 6000 rpm. I build anything from stock up to hi performance (500hp) engines ( 2 engines a month) and all i use is the StreetFire and i havn't had any issues yet. Yours did not "Blow up"...yours just had a bushing failure that could be replaced for $2.00 at most. Yes...the Pro Billet is a better unit...but the price will also let you know that. For anyone building anything up to 500hp...trust me...the StreetFire is just fine!!!
streetfires can never get the correct advance curves for something he has. he probably needs at least 18 degrees of inital and 36 all in at like 2500 max. shit sometimes 2000 RPM. you'll find the reeall well setup cars run way better and wont pop back and spit they advance wayy to much mechanical at too high of an RPM. its the HEI design really. He neeeds the probillet like he has and leave the HEI repcaments for pickup truck and vans with stock engines.
@@trailerparkcryptoking5213 you don't understand a word I'm saying. Let me explain this again so you can understand Do even understand why that is ? His mechanical timing may be too much for that engine.. that's why moving to the MSD pro billet or pro billet HEI will give him more flexibility High performance engines like more initial advance because they have bigger duration camshafts with more radical timing events but when you give it more advance and keep your total timing the same you have to limit your mechanical advanced Now you tell what's wrong with what I just wrote...
I don't know who told you that was the problem but if you do research an old drag racer trick is to take one of the Springs out for your distributor weights to make it spin easier and faster so I doubt that had anything to do with it maybe the magnetic pickup in it may be shot but I highly doubt the weights or springs have anything to do with it
He's right the street fire is not good for performance motor: I swapped it with a pro billet 8361 in my 468 and it pulled strong through all the RPM range.
Who ever told you the street fire was bad due to the spring and weights has no clue what there talking about. Stock and performance engines like ignition timing.(safe levels). We at the shop put the softest springs, just to have base timing during startups. People get amazed after driving there vehicle. Not to mention but you get lower egt’s
@ss396rat Yea i know I've been looking at the digram buy it's confusing. I got the same distributer pn 8365 and i got the 6AL ignition box. It says in the digram that the black and the orange wires go to the coil, but the coil already has this black plug plugged in!
Are you using hei wiring diagram from msd? you need to create your own ground wire for the middle tab on the coil. Unplug everything thats connected to the coil
Ok I'll address as much as I can... First thing... The distributor weights, u can swap the springs around and out with different weights of springs for a different advance curve based on your cam profile... 2nd if ur module or coil keeps burning out... It's a grounding problem I've had it happen on my mud truck, add an extra ground from the ground post of the hei to firewall and from firewall to block, I stopped having the issue... I went thru 4 accel coils in a week..$$$
I've been having problems with mine since I've installed it. Replaced everything on it except the coil pickup. I'm checking mine today but I have heard the pickups aren't spaced properly and cause problems above 3000rpm.
Update: every streetfire dizzy I've checked has excessive play in the main drive shaft that causes the magnetic pickup to miss at high rpm. I think they tried to go cheap on bearings.
It’s supposed to be like that. The distributor has the flyweights there to aid in timing advance as result of centrifugal force as the distributor spins. Good distributor Sir. Bearings, really bad? Those weights are to be able to pivot as the centrifugal forces increase those fly outward.. “normal operation Sir.”
@@ss396rat 5yrs too late but they didn’t do anything to it other than switch out the springs to one silver and one blue spring. That would give you 22* mechanical all in by 2500-2800. You set your initial at 12 and you get a total of 34* all in by 2500-2800 at full throttle. That curve will make you take off the line quick
Find an old HEI out of a Chevy V 8 and rebuild it!! Trust me I used the fancy expensive electronic aftermarket bullshit junk!! Not Impressed!! I rebuilt the distributor outta the motor I had rebuilt and haven't had an issue!!!
But what you dont get is with HIpo street engines they need more intial and less mechanical. a stock junk HE_I also advances at too high of an RPM. A real trick street setup is 20-25 degres inital and 10 mechanical and limit the vacumm advance. ALL in at like 2500 rpm max. a stock HEI will never be able to do that no matter how many curve kits you throw at it or what brand they are. theyre all the same an HEI module aslo stop firing around 5500 or less Youd need so many mods to a stock HEI just get a rready to run or e curve. you saying they are junk is just a lack of knowledge my man.
@@KingJT80 thats not true. A stock dizzy can be recurved how ever you want it with stop bushings or a lockout tab. I rebuilt my stick dizzy after having numerous issues with 3 different msd streetfire dizzys. Even shortened the curve so I have 20 initial and 14 mechanical. Added an adjustable vacuum advance for another 10 at 10 in of mercury. And none of the issues that of had with the street fire.
I bought the MSD e-curve, truck has been running for about a year and just quit. no spark. i changed the cap, rotor and coil and still no spark. the 6AL box has power so I'm wandering if the electronics went out on the distributer
ok, I have to pull it out so ill check it. I've read that the cap needs to be vented so no condensation gets in and ruins the electronics. so it looks like ill be sending it back to MSD
I donb't know, Many people I know with performance VW motors have had good luck with the streetfire kit (dist, cdi box, coil + leads) setup. You can't even buy the MSD billet dizzy for what the entire street fire kit costs for these! but the chevy dizzy is a HEI versiomn, the VW is just a normal billet dizzy with the coil / cdi box separate. actually prefer Mallory if I'm going all out performance truth be told. You can get superior distributors with big arc free caps (esp. on the Comp 7000 range) and with MSD if your CDI goes out , you are stranded. With mallory, you can just bypass the module and use it in standard points mode to get you home.
it was the internal electronics on the dis. i pulled the unit out and replaced it with the old style one weights and springs and it fired rite up. i think this is a good idea, but the electronics just don't last in the elements, heat and moister
Yes it will.... my HEI IS locked out and it starts just fine.. but you upgraded so it don’t matter now, but yes it will start and every time you turn it over fire will be HOT!!! I learned this just recently after my Accel hei started tripping wouldn’t burn the gas but soon as we locked it out it was fixed... look it up on CZcams to get a better understanding but it will start and fix low voltage spark ⚡️
Its the 4 pin module that burns up, not the coil. It doesnt blow up. Carry a extra in the glovebox from a old stock hei. Happend to me too
Hey buddy. I have that 8362 in my truck now and when I had the distributor off to check my contacts I noticed the same thing on my weights. I've had it for almost 2 years now and it's been ok. I don't have 600 HP though. Just a 350 Chevy motor. I did order replacement weights and springs. You ain't lying about the loose weights. By the way they are going for $181 these days
Make sure that dist. gear is compatible with your roller cam. I used a comp. cams composite gear on my pro billet. Also nice build so far. Cali cars are amazing. No rot or rust. You got a good foundation.
I just set up a street fire which was a customers leftover for use with an msd box. I yanked the module, coil, etc. and just have the trigger wires. The Spings that came with mine look much tighter. It came with bushings over the drive gear and doesn't have any slop. It all looks good and well, but I'll be happy to report back with my results once that motor is started... I used the guts for my daily driver with mild 350. In my Squarebody on 38's I use an Accel Performance replacement with an MSD box and it's worked very well. Dizzy be like $115 with no coil, so its perfect to buy for MSD Box trigger. Weights had no up and down slop at all like well machined piece. A good alternative, if you don't wanna fork out 300+ for that PB. Tho I'll say I've had one, works Well!.
I went with the 8394 digital e- curve on my build.. I hope it works as advertised when I am ready to drop the engine in and get it all hooked up. Good job on your build by the way.
It's not that their junk but more so that everything has its limits...especially for the money. It's only obvious that you get what you pay for and actually they are very good units for the price. MSD doesn't claim them to be used for race applications etc but more so as a factory or stock replacement up to mild/medium hi performance street engines and that covers anything up to 6000 rpm. I build anything from stock up to hi performance (500hp) engines ( 2 engines a month) and all i use is the StreetFire and i havn't had any issues yet. Yours did not "Blow up"...yours just had a bushing failure that could be replaced for $2.00 at most. Yes...the Pro Billet is a better unit...but the price will also let you know that. For anyone building anything up to 500hp...trust me...the StreetFire is just fine!!!
streetfires can never get the correct advance curves for something he has. he probably needs at least 18 degrees of inital and 36 all in at like 2500 max. shit sometimes 2000 RPM. you'll find the reeall well setup cars run way better and wont pop back and spit
they advance wayy to much mechanical at too high of an RPM. its the HEI design really. He neeeds the probillet like he has and leave the HEI repcaments for pickup truck and vans with stock engines.
@@KingJT80 you saying HEI’s mechanically advance too much? Please don’t give advice about a subject you know nothing about!
@@trailerparkcryptoking5213 you don't understand a word I'm saying. Let me explain this again so you can understand
Do even understand why that is ? His mechanical timing may be too much for that engine.. that's why moving to the MSD pro billet or pro billet HEI will give him more flexibility
High performance engines like more initial advance because they have bigger duration camshafts with more radical timing events but when you give it more advance and keep your total timing the same you have to limit your mechanical advanced
Now you tell what's wrong with what I just wrote...
Been having mines for years. They all will go bad Eventually.
Its just the springs that aren't strong enough. 50 cents. They are both milled from a billet of aluminum.
how come mine run on a turbo car I put mine in a year ago I call bs
Thx for the heads up
I don't know who told you that was the problem but if you do research an old drag racer trick is to take one of the Springs out for your distributor weights to make it spin easier and faster so I doubt that had anything to do with it maybe the magnetic pickup in it may be shot but I highly doubt the weights or springs have anything to do with it
Would you recommend the one you have or the ready to run distributor from msd they are pretty much the same price
He's right the street fire is not good for performance motor: I swapped it with a pro billet 8361 in my 468 and it pulled strong through all the RPM range.
That Pro billet unit is just an HEI with decent bushings and springs, and with a heat HEI module...and it's 9000 rpms.
I got the 8365 like you. What kind of shop will curve it? Thanks
Who ever told you the street fire was bad due to the spring and weights has no clue what there talking about. Stock and performance engines like ignition timing.(safe levels). We at the shop put the softest springs, just to have base timing during startups. People get amazed after driving there vehicle. Not to mention but you get lower egt’s
Those springs can be adjusted in tension to replicate the same amount of slop or slack I will buy that old perfect one dude..?
@ss396rat Yea i know I've been looking at the digram buy it's confusing. I got the same distributer pn 8365 and i got the 6AL ignition box. It says in the digram that the black and the orange wires go to the coil, but the coil already has this black plug plugged in!
Are you using hei wiring diagram from msd? you need to create your own ground wire for the middle tab on the coil. Unplug everything thats connected to the coil
HOW TO INSTALL MSD 6AL IGNITION BOX ON HEI: czcams.com/video/cGeRJX69iLo/video.html
Ok I'll address as much as I can... First thing... The distributor weights, u can swap the springs around and out with different weights of springs for a different advance curve based on your cam profile...
2nd if ur module or coil keeps burning out... It's a grounding problem I've had it happen on my mud truck, add an extra ground from the ground post of the hei to firewall and from firewall to block, I stopped having the issue... I went thru 4 accel coils in a week..$$$
The 8365 is made here in El Paso, TX. I don't think the other models are.
How many degrees of mechanical advance does the 8365 give?
I've been having problems with mine since I've installed it. Replaced everything on it except the coil pickup. I'm checking mine today but I have heard the pickups aren't spaced properly and cause problems above 3000rpm.
Update: every streetfire dizzy I've checked has excessive play in the main drive shaft that causes the magnetic pickup to miss at high rpm. I think they tried to go cheap on bearings.
It’s supposed to be like that. The distributor has the flyweights there to aid in timing advance as result of centrifugal force as the distributor spins. Good distributor Sir. Bearings, really bad? Those weights are to be able to pivot as the centrifugal forces increase those fly outward.. “normal operation Sir.”
You need better Springs my Man
Is the pro billet unit basically a drop in plug in factory replacement type install or do u have to wire it I only ask cause I hate wiring
724 Street Cars no wiring just plug your ignition to it
I bought the same pro billet distributor and then started to have issues with the radio and hearing music with the CD player, any suggestions?
Make sure you have the ground strap under the coil installed. People forget this and it burns up the coil and you get electrical interference
How did westech curve it? Did they do it on the dyno? I've talked to them before, great guys.
Xavier A. took out distributor and did something to it
So you just gave them the distributor. I'll have to give them a call.
@@ss396rat 5yrs too late but they didn’t do anything to it other than switch out the springs to one silver and one blue spring. That would give you 22* mechanical all in by 2500-2800. You set your initial at 12 and you get a total of 34* all in by 2500-2800 at full throttle. That curve will make you take off the line quick
Find an old HEI out of a Chevy V 8 and rebuild it!! Trust me I used the fancy expensive electronic aftermarket bullshit junk!! Not Impressed!! I rebuilt the distributor outta the motor I had rebuilt and haven't had an issue!!!
But what you dont get is with HIpo street engines they need more intial and less mechanical. a stock junk HE_I also advances at too high of an RPM.
A real trick street setup is 20-25 degres inital and 10 mechanical and limit the vacumm advance. ALL in at like 2500 rpm max. a stock HEI will never be able to do that no matter how many curve kits you throw at it or what brand they are. theyre all the same
an HEI module aslo stop firing around 5500 or less Youd need so many mods to a stock HEI just get a rready to run or e curve.
you saying they are junk is just a lack of knowledge my man.
@@KingJT80 thats not true. A stock dizzy can be recurved how ever you want it with stop bushings or a lockout tab. I rebuilt my stick dizzy after having numerous issues with 3 different msd streetfire dizzys. Even shortened the curve so I have 20 initial and 14 mechanical. Added an adjustable vacuum advance for another 10 at 10 in of mercury. And none of the issues that of had with the street fire.
I bought the MSD e-curve, truck has been running for about a year and just quit. no spark. i changed the cap, rotor and coil and still no spark. the 6AL box has power so I'm wandering if the electronics went out on the distributer
Make sure your cam gear isnt chewed up, mine was
ok, I have to pull it out so ill check it. I've read that the cap needs to be vented so no condensation gets in and ruins the electronics. so it looks like ill be sending it back to MSD
I donb't know, Many people I know with performance VW motors have had good luck with the streetfire kit (dist, cdi box, coil + leads) setup. You can't even buy the MSD billet dizzy for what the entire street fire kit costs for these! but the chevy dizzy is a HEI versiomn, the VW is just a normal billet dizzy with the coil / cdi box separate. actually prefer Mallory if I'm going all out performance truth be told. You can get superior distributors with big arc free caps (esp. on the Comp 7000 range) and with MSD if your CDI goes out , you are stranded. With mallory, you can just bypass the module and use it in standard points mode to get you home.
it was the internal electronics on the dis. i pulled the unit out and replaced it with the old style one weights and springs and it fired rite up. i think this is a good idea, but the electronics just don't last in the elements, heat and moister
Cam gear chewed up because of what your type of metal your cam is made from. Might need a different type of distributor gear.
I am restoring a 72 nova. What did you use to get the under body clean?
Air Angle die grinder with a wire brush on the end, you will use maybe four brushes, they wear out quick
Thanks a lot for responding. Might need to pick your brain again. Great job on the build by the way!
hey how is the part 8365 msd distributor holding up because I am thinking about buying one
still runnin perfect
+ss396rat ok thank
Jerk those counter weights off and lock it out,want have to worry about vacuum advance or springs or the weights.
is that the guy from westtech whose on the hotrod engine masters?
yes
I’ll give you shipping and 30 bucks for the perfect distributor Sir..?
Are you using MSD ignition box too? If so how did you get it hooked up with the distributer? Thanks!
I had one hooked up, their is a diagram on msd website on how to do it
Wonton distributor!
Does the msd 8365 have the coil built in? Thanks
Yes
If you did your research you would see that it is for a stock motor
My motor is stock
Buy once cry once
You could’ve locked it out and done away with the advance
Then it wouldnt start
Yes it will.... my HEI IS locked out and it starts just fine.. but you upgraded so it don’t matter now, but yes it will start and every time you turn it over fire will be HOT!!! I learned this just recently after my Accel hei started tripping wouldn’t burn the gas but soon as we locked it out it was fixed... look it up on CZcams to get a better understanding but it will start and fix low voltage spark ⚡️
how come mine run on a turbo car I put mine in a year ago I call bs
your right street fire is better than the pro billet