Trying The Jim Venetos Golf Swing - Is Staying Still and Closed The Key To Good Golf?
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2024
- I explore the Jim Venetos golf swing method. Using the videos found on CZcams I try out the fundamentals of the Jim Venetos or JVGA golf swing. I'm no expert, but I have an interest in exploring golf swing methods on CZcams and Jim Venetos is out there a lot. I am a lead hand dominate golfer (I'm right handed playing left handed golf) so I am draw to his philosophy that the lead side / lead arm is the engine of the golf swing.
If you have insight and or experience with the Jim Venetos golf swing please leave a comment below and let me know what you like or dislike about the swing method. I would love to hear your thoughts.
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I've been a JVGA member for two years. I also saw Jim's channel and was attracted initially by the simplicity. I'm a true believer now. It is simple and repeatable - way less moving parts. Playing the best golf of my life so far and the journey is just begun.
@@johnkloian6995 excellent to hear. Thanks for the share 👍🏻
I’ve been working with Jim for a year. You need to pivot o to your lead foot and pull your trail foot back a little. Jim also suggests you start with swings no more than thigh high until you get used to STILLNESS. The results are incredible.
Yes my brain and body definitely fight stillness.
I am not a JV member but have been following his CZcams content for about a year and wanted to give it a real concerted effort. My results were amazing. You do not swing hard when using this format. It is basically this: set up in a closed stance (as much as 45 degrees) with about 70% of weight on your lead foot. Stay still and closed through impact with weight increasing on the lead foot the closer to impact. This is a lead arm dominated swing. Pull the club down through impact with the lead arm thus not allowing the trail shoulder to come forward (over the top). Stillness is critical as is maintaining weight on the lead foot. Stay relaxed with loose wrists (tension free) and do NOT swing hard. The swing path should remain along the closed shoulder line until the lead arm pulls the trail shoulder forward (well after impact) to a full upright finish. Maintaining a closed position with the weight on the front foot and staying STILL are key components of this method. The set up dictates all of the movements in the swing. In fact, you can completely disregard the movements of the hands and arms. The set up, if done properly, predetermines the movements of the hands and arms without any swing thoughts or tension. Resulting shots are nice tight draws which become so consistent over time that alignment is easy and predictable. The best part in my opinion is that this set up and the resulting draw biased shots can be used with any club in the bag including driver and can be used for pitches, chips and even in bunkers, it is truly remarkable. The hardest part of this for me was realizing that because I get center face contact 90% of the time there is no reason to swing hard. Use of the lead arm will eventually cause the trail arm to become passive and serves only as support for the club. I have back issues from hockey and this swing allows me to play 3-4 times per week without pain or recovery (I am 64 years old and did not take up golf until age 58). I went from an 18 handicap to a 12 in 7 months and my handicap is approaching 10 after 11 months of incorporating Jim's methodology. Since Jim bucks the typical PGA teaching style approach some feel that his approach is a gimmick, trust me it is not. I now play golf pain free and play it well in comparison to my golf partners. They tell me it looks a little funny right up to the point they open their wallets and pay me for kicking their asses by 5 or more strokes per round. Jim is a very intelligent man who experienced the PGA lifestyle growing up in a very competitive golf environment. He found the PGA method overly complex due to the contortions needed to play in the the PGA style. If you want to hit beautiful tight draws immediately and play from the fairway consistently, buy into this method for a season and see for yourself. I did and I will play anyone, anywhere at anytime. Just for fun, bring some extra cash to tip the beverage cart person or to pay the guy using his method.
Based on all the videos I’ve seen this is an excellent summary of Jim’s method. I love hearing success stories like these. My biggest issue is sticking with something that feels and looks so different. We’ll see if I can trust the process and give it the time it needs. Thanks for your input 👍🏻
This swing is awesome. Been frustrated for years!!! Into it for about 8 months. Golf is great again!! Totally pleased. Have watched every video and know the golf swing inside and out… This is it!!!!
@@petty43431 excellent to hear! You find it solid with driver too?
I've been setting up his way for about a year now...the hardest parts to get used to are keeping the shoulders quiet until AFTER impact. Also, work on ball position...there is a sweet spot for beautiful shots.
Jim also states in one of his videos, that the better golfer you are, you dont need to stand so deeply closed. You also dont need to swing hard, I find my best shots are with about 80% effort. Good Luck bro.
As for your swing...it did look like you were a little quick with the shoulders opening up through impact...thats why it helps to slow it down to start.
Thanks. I do find ball position tough. When you close it feels like the ball becomes further ahead almost. At least to me.
I'm a JV member. Joined last November. Started using this swing due to severe back pain/issues. It takes awhile for the brain to adjust to the alignment. Make sure you have your face square to your target at address. It may appear very closed and hooded, but it's not. Keep the weight on the left side (right handed golfer) and keep still. I just played today. 76. For a 8 HC, I'll take it every day. You will not strike every shot perfect. No one does. Your misses will be online. Worst that happens is short and almost always an easy up and down. I wish I would have "discovered" this swing years ago. I will never go back to conventional.
Amen, Sparkdog👍
Great stuff thank you !
Nice effort. Your initial positive results are indicators that the system works, the misses you had are indicators that you’d benefit from formally learning the system.
I suggest being more closed in the set up, swinging easier in the downswing and signing up for my school so you can learn the system properly. 👊
Thanks for the feedback 👍🏻. I will start with exploring a more closed setup as you suggest. Man I feel so closed already lol. Going to be a mental battle.
I was a JV member and my game improved then I came across what is called channel lock and it was free. I like free also. Channel lock and JV are similar but CL was more repeatable for me. CL eliminates the left side which is good on the course I play. The biggest benefit was I had my first under par round from blue tees with CL.
I’ve never heard of channel lock. I’ll have to investigate. Under par? Nice!
You've got great camera angles. Yes, the swing helps draw the ball especially for people that don't have good eye hand coordination. However
testing it out is one thing reducing your score must be the objective.
Stay Still.
David E. Riley
Thank you. Ya tinkering is a lot different than relying on it for every shot on course and (as you point out) scoring better. Who knows - time will tell I guess 👍🏻
I'm not a JV member, but watching his CZcams videos made it possible for me to continue playing golf, with the JV swing after I had back surgery. Thank you Jim Venetos, and to Golf Quest for spreading the word about the JV Swing
Wow great to hear.
I found his initial videos interesting and thought it might help with back pain. I am not in his academy. I started at end of the year 2023 and committed to using his philosophy 100%. When I stay still ( still hard) the ball flight is beautiful and higher. My scores have been a little higher than normal 12-14 handicap but recently broke 80 for first time using his method. Chipping has improved as has bunker play. I am 68 years old and now hitting my wedge 125 yards on average and 56 degrees 95.
Stick with it. You will love the high ball draw flight.
I used to be a very good short game player but developed the yips and in the bunker too. Today I got up and down from off the green 4 of 5 times. Haven’t done that in a decade. I am subscribing to your channel to see your journey. Enjoy. Coacchh
Thanks for the input . Has it helped with your back pain?
I started the “switch” two months ago. Currently a 19 handicap and realizing more consistent ball striking with every iron and really hammering hybrids, woods and driver. Looking forward to this season and going from 19 to 15 by end of season. Ted L.
Love the confidence this swing is bringing you. Fantastic!
I’ve been trying his swing for over a year and I love it, especially on irons. I do a little mix of JV and Moe Norman though. Lean left closed and stay still like JV, straight arms like Moe. Most consistent I’ve ever played. Since I’m over 50, it is great on my back.
A combo with the great Moe Norman. Excellent.
@@GolfQuestChannel I've been using the JVGA swing for two years now and I've had several folks comment that I remind them of Moe. I've never hit the ball so well
I just started in the online program and I love it. 70 year old high handicapper hitting irons so much better, driver still a bit of a problem but working on it. I certainly hit the ball farther and crisper.
That’s excellent to hear
Interested to see your journey with this method (subbed so I can). I dabbled with it last year but reverted back to more traditional methods. Ball striking suffering recently so thinking of going back to it. I hit some of my purest ever shots trying this last year.
I think it’s challenging to stick with something so unique. Especially without enrolling in Jim’s academy. One thing I find challenging is swinging this way with woods. I find it very hard to keep still. Thanks for the sub 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel keep going with it. I actually hit fairway woods incredibly well with the method but less so with driver which is ultimately why I went back to more traditional methods. Golftestdummy has a good series on the JVGA swing. Take a look if you haven't already. Jim doesn't keep completely still if you watch in slow motion. On the backswing his body is pretty still (although watch his right foot) but on the downswing his hips move forward and his feet also move of course. To say he is 100% still is not correct. The key is that you don't move your weight back but keep it forward and then more forward on the downswing with closed shoulders.
@@jimwocha4949 excellent thank you
I am exactly the same as you: RH in everything but golf and baseballl, swing LH and feel like my RH is in control. I enrolled in Jim’s school and find it fantastic. I’m to the point when I hit consistent tight draws with all the short and mid irons and in the learning process for the long irons and hybrid/woods. I used to have an inconsistent swing and sometimes completely lost my swing. With Jim’s method you always have a basis to fall back on and accomplish consistency with a predictable shot path. The secret of being still with weight forward at about 90% is that the bottom of the arc is always at the same point, combined with a swing path that is always inside out (due to the closed setup), a draw is guaranteed.
So far, I have lowered my handicap about 5 in a little bit over 2 months.
That is tremendous progress. Well done. It’s funny - so many times I hear that the driver and longer irons are the issue. I wonder what the key is for those.
@@GolfQuestChannel the driver is actually not an issue, that one is still a bit weird but solid draws with that club. 5i, 4h are a bit of a problem, 5w, 3w and driver are awesome!
@@MaFaKeys excellent thanks for clarifying
I’m in his school. You start with small swings not full swings. I’m left handed. I just get a bit of knee pain due to the pivot on the inside of my left knee.i usually I do stack and Tilt where you put your weight on your front leg. This is similar. I find the ball just pops off the club. He tells you not to swing hard.,
Knee pain on your lead leg? That sounds a bit concerning.
I watched you frame to frame. I was paying the most attention to your shoulders at impact. I think most of your swings had your shoulders fairly square to the target line, maybe a tiny bit closed or a tiny bit open but you looked pretty good to me. Can't help but wonder though if a little shorter backswing with wedges would help. If you could hit all your clubs the way you hit that wedge I think you could play very well with this swing. I have fooled around with it some and like the way it feels but have never committed to it. I will say that my driver is my biggest problem with this or any other swing. From all I've watched or read about him I believe Mr Venetos could really help. I have thought about joining up but to tell the truth, at my age I'm not sure I want to commit to a long term learning process. I kick it around a couple of times a week with some of my old friends for a nickel or two just for fun. But then again, maybe 78 really isn't too old to get better.
Never too late I think. Thanks for looking at my swing. I agree with you I should shorten my swing. I’ve actually tried to do that for years but will keep working on it. 👍🏻
on the shots you had the baby fade, from teh overhead shot it looks as though your trail shoulder was activating just a bit too early. You also need to puul your trail foot back a little. I've been working on Jim's method now since the beginning of this year. My accuracy has improved, I've gained 25-30 metres with my driver. At the moment I'm working on Jim's chipping and pitching method to see if I can actually get a short game.
Interesting. I’ll take another look at those fade swings. Good luck with the short game 👍🏻
It works for sure -- I am a member
Great to hear - thank you.
JV always sets the club with his trail
hand, then grips it with his lead hand. This appears to close his shoulders more.
Okay I didn't take note of that. Good catch. TY
Im in Australia and did his course a couple of years ago. I went from 36 to 12 in 18 months, (66 yo now). Gave up golf in the 80s as my back was too sore and only took it up again after Jim saying it protects your back. It does.
I tend to miss approach shots now, always to the right and dont know how to fix it. No pro here teaches it, so its a bit frustrating.
As a result, handicap has gone out to 15, but playing to 18, I recon.
When I was young, in the 80s I was a 27 handicap at best so I can say that Jims method works.
Its not as easy as you think though. Ive spent many hours working on the swing path, takeaway etc in an attempt to get the ball to return to those draws I had 12 months ago.
Also, whats that launch monitor you use please. Looks great
Thanks
Brendon
Thanks for detailing your journey. I love hearing peoples stories about this swing. I use a skytrak (original). It’s great because it doesn’t require a lot of space so it works for my smaller garage. If you have any other questions let me know. 👍🏻
The swing at 8:50.... you're not closed enough, and the face of the club is open to the line. Remember, the face will look very closed because of the alignment process. It's easier if you line up like your normal swing, face to target, then close your stance, then regrip, not changing the face.
I’ll have a look. Thanks 👍🏻
True story AND a testament to Jim’s theory of stillness: I’ve been using Jim’s method for a few months and loving it. Couple weeks ago I sustained a lumbar injury that evolved into sciatic pain down my left (lead, I’m a rightie) leg. With no choice, I tried staying still but now having all weight over my right (trail) leg, using the same closed stance with the ball well back at my trail leg. This strange feeling setup of course caused me to swing slower. Well, wouldn’t you know, I hit crispier shots that flew higher with a baby draw, even leaving more perfect divots. As mentioned, a testament to the validity of Jim’s belief in stillness. Where there’s a will…
Interesting - you accomplished this with the weight in your trail foot. Crazy. Glad to hear it’s working out well!
@@GolfQuestChannel Also interesting is that I must open the club face at address even more than the 10* that Jim says his is open to the target; I’m at least 20* open. Otherwise I’ll over-draw the heck out of it.
@@user-pw8mu1tx1i I didn’t even know about this aspect. Very interesting.
Sounds like the channel lock system.
@@johncappella1216 I haven't heard of this. I'll have to look into it.
Hi, I haven't any experience of the Venetos method, but, like you, I have been watching his short videos and wondering about his claims, only in the last week or so. So I was very interested to see your video. I haven't had chance to get to the range and give it a go but I definitely will. I'm a fairly new golfer and still trying to find something that works well for me. Looking at his website though, $69 per month seems pretty pricey for an online course. I think you need to be pretty sure that it's going to benefit you before you sign up for that. Thanks again. New subscriber. 👍
I completely agree with you. I’m tempted to try the website but it isn’t cheap. Thanks for the comment and the sub!
@@GolfQuestChannel I’ve been a student for over 2 years and he’s an amazing coach.
@@AprilWeiland great to hear. Perhaps I need to splurge and try it out
@@GolfQuestChannel happy to answer any questions you may have.
My experience with Jim's academy was a dismal failure. I couldn't grasp it. I have tried so many swing methodologies and have not found one that works for me.
Aim a little left to the target when baby drawing. That’s what Jim taught me.
Noted thank you.
I did the school for over a year. As tracked by Arcos, my "handicap" per shot type, compared to the year before I joined, were:
putting: 18->12
chipping: 10->5
approach: 38->15 (not a typo)
long irons: 25->25
hybrids/woods: 15->30 (also not a typo)
driver: 14->40 (also not a typo)
Overall
So short irons and short game benefited but long game suffered. Interesting data for sure
@@GolfQuestChannel Suffered might be an understatement. Made golf "not fun" seems about right.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the swing method. No reason it can't work for long game. I saw it work for long game, fleetingly. I do think there are severe issues with the coaching methodology.
Could you elaborate on your last statement please. What problems did you have with the coaching? I only ask because you are the first/only person I've heard say that but i have no personal experience. Would love to hear your experience with it.
Ok never heard of Jim V but on my own I decided my right shoulder was too far towards the ball and causing me to cast the club out causing a out to in divot. Started pushing my right shoulder pushed back. Boom less fatties and a perfect straight divot
Excellent. Im a lefty so for me it’s my left shoulder but definitely have to fight it from getting to far forward
Hardest part for me is not letting my right side take over. Old habits die hard.
Indeed
I've been trying this as I'm plagued by lower back/sciatica problems so trying to cut down on rotation.
This works but Jim says to keep majority of weight on front foot. Hope this isn't a daft question but how do I do that without also tilting my spine twds front side to get the weight over there?
Thanks.
@@davepotter5679 not at all - I think it’s a solid question. I think you can shift laterally without much lean. I mean you can “bump” forward but lean back to compensate (just in general). Having said all that - I am far far from an expert. I’m just going down this exploratory journey myself. Maybe other viewers will have the definitive answer.
Thanks for the reply, so it's more of a front hip shift above front foot and spine tilted slightly away from target to get weight on front foot?
@@davepotter5679 honestly I’m not sure at this point - just saying I could see that being one way to not tilt forward. Jim almost looks like he leans into his front side a touch though so maybe there is a bit of a lean. I’ll have to watch carefully on his future vids. 👍🏻
I use this swing, I find ball position a little further back in my stance gives me the slight draw every time.
I find moving the ball position back a bit helps too
I had a few 70's rounds using this swing. But, being it's golf, your brain will always figure out a way to screw it up😮. I'm doing more of a slap release swing now so I can use more hands.
Lol isn’t that the truth. My brain always gets in the way! What is this slap release? Any video links you can post as a reference?
@@GolfQuestChannel czcams.com/video/hXpX-yPJJOU/video.htmlsi=T-C8YgbXj3S-7kgd
Marcus Edblad teaches a system similar to Mike Malaska. Using right hand for power and accuracy.
Should you square your clubs relative to your target at set up ?????
I believe so, although one viewer said that Jim promotes a 10 degree open clubface. I am playing with both.
Cross lateral brake with 45 degree sit that’s the stillness.
Hey Golf Quest, I just watched your video and I must say that it was really informative and well-made.
I was wondering if I could help you edit your videos and repurpose your long videos into highly engaging shorts? I can also make high CTR thumbnails for your channel
Thanks for comment but editing is part of the hobby 👍🏻
Venetose!! Low backspin was strange. You always seem to have pretty low backspin on the wedges but that's really low.
Yes some were extreme. I’ll have to see if that trend continues.
I enrolled and completed Jim’s on-line course. Like you I am left handed and honestly never got comfortable with his set-up, perhaps I never completely understood it, which is entirely possible. In your video it appears you are closing your stance by bumping your hips forward. As I recall Jim teaches a slight turn inwards. Sounds minor but this is where his method is confusing. If the set up and ball position is not correct, you experience the same difficulty as with a traditional swing. I wanted it to work and on occasion it did but building consistency was never achieved. Perhaps I’ll try again.
Thank you for sharing your experience with this. Appreciated!
Also tried the eureka golf swing and that never worked for me
I am trying Venetos method , and don’t get the jest of the method. Not working for me .
How long have you tried it for?
You’re saying that you you’re not swing that hard, but to me it looks like you’re swinging out of your shoes. Jim states that you shouldn’t swing hard at all and focus on the stillness and staying closed through impact. To me it looks like you are not closed through impact but already in line with the target. Therefore your shots look straight rather than a draw shape?
Interesting. I definitely wasn’t swinging out my my shoes but maybe I could try logging lighter. Most of my shots draw. Not massive draws but draw spin. I’ll keep tinkering.
Golf Test Dummy tested it for 2-3 months. (When you hit, don’t let the club be open to get a baby draw) 👍
Thanks for the comment and tip. Cheers.
Reviewed your swing. Keep the weight on your target leg, your shifting a wee bit. I can't stress enough. Keep the weight on your target leg. Slow down the transition....like Fred Couples.
I’ll try!
Sooooo, either he is a low handicap golfer already, or this video sponsored by JVGA
I am a mid handicap golfer (12) and, no, this video is not sponsored. Although a sponsorship would be nice 😁
I would steer clear of his method. Save yourself some dinero
Did you try it with poor results?
This is crap! Let me know when every professional golfer sets up for every shot 45 degrees closed to the target 🤣 Good ball strikers can use this method to hook a ball around trees to get back in play, but it does nothing to help the average high handicapper. GTFO with this crap!
Follow up question - have you ever tried it out?