LandCruiser 300 Engine Oil Consumption. What You Need to Know.
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2023
- Toyota LC300 engine oil consumption. A customer information sheet has been released by Toyota Australia to the dealer network with information you need to know.
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1.7L of oil isn't nominal. And with all the conditions listed where the engine may use "extra" oil, is just about all driving conditions that will be encountered in Australia.
My V6 Prado with 306000km on it doesn't use oil...
Uses a quarter of its oil capacity within the service period and the Toyota dealer thinks this is normal bahahahaha
They don’t think it’s normal, they just want to pass it off as “normal”. My old VE Commodore with 330,000kms on the clock didn’t even burn that much oil!
Here is what Mr Cadogan didn’t mention.
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@@nunawadingtoyota8134 I’m not going off what John Cadogan says. I’m going off the modern history of the automobile. Modern cars never burnt oil until the recent chasing of parasitic losses became thing. Paying for 0.1 litres of extra fuel per hundred kilometres is well worth it IMO to not have to top the oil off every time you drive the car. I’m sure most people driving a Landcruiser would agree seeing as they aren’t exactly a fuel efficient vehicle to begin with.
Also if manufacturers insist on chasing parasitic losses then it would be nice if A) they admitted that it will burn oil between services before people bought the car B) actually quantify it with a specific amount per 1000kms straight out of the blocks rather than some arbitrary range after they are caught out and C) built enough sump capacity into the vehicle that it can go between services without being topped back up.
F-- me you will glad if you hung onto your V8. What a heap.
All that you need to know.....is that you bought the wrong vehicle
Yep! But it’s a Toyota so it must be the best choice and you’ll extra for and be happy
Servre conditions sound like normal driving for any other car. This is just an excuse to avoid fixing faulty engines and putting more costs on the owners.
I recall when subaru went to low friction rings in an attempt to reduce fuel consumption. It did, and then, when you added the cost of tipping a litre of oil into the motor every 1000km itvprooved to be cheaper to have the vehicle using more fuel and less oil.
I want to add that i had a 300gxl as a company car. Mainly doing rural trips and runs to melbourne-sydney etc. in 15,000km the low oil light never came on albeit it did on another one we had.
Thanks for the heads up on oil usage by the LC300 under various conditions.
At first, this was alarming information to me, as like most non automotive engineers, engine oil usage is synonymous with engine problems or excessive wear. The latter being not something that would apply to a new engine.
I researched the issue and *ironically* I was reassured by John Cadogan's Videos from 2017 and 2020 that are very reassuring as to the reasons that modern engines do use more oil than their forebears.
The 2017 video refers to a Holden Colorado using 2L oil in between 15,000 k services. John explained why this was not a concern in light of change of engine designs to reduce internal friction, for which extra oil consumption was a consequence (unlike the old days) and that the extra costs in oil could be offset in fuel savings. John writes "it's not indicative of early wear or a defect unless the consumption rate increases substantially. It's kind of just how your engine rolls, frankly I don't believe it's that much of an imposition actually to tip in one liter of engine oil every six months which ordinary drivers is about seven and a half thousand kilometres especially since whatever the oils costing you you saved more money in fuel"
The 2020 video echoes a similar tune referring to a 2.4L 4cyl Kia using 1L of oil in between 15,000 km services. John writes,"relax because you don't have a problem." John continues, " this is where oil consumption comes in...so you can increase the clearances between the valve stems and the valve guides in the head and this makes it easier for the valves to move up and down and the ring thing makes it easier for the pistons to move up and down but when you do that you open the door to increased oil consumption so it's a balancing act." and "a little bit of oil consumption and a liter every seven and a half thousand k's is hardly what i would call excessive. Just deal with it particularly if it does not get any worse if that consumption just stays the same every seven and a half thousand k's then just do what the owner's manual says dude ."
So if understanding correctly and due to "backed off clearances", then for some 4 cyl modern cars, I L of oil usage every 7,500k is acceptable (2L in 15,000k), if not expected. By extrapolation then, perhaps for a 6 cyl car that equates to 1.5L oil top up per 7,500K? It's not entirely clear to me but the LC300 *might* use 1.7L of oil in between 10,000 k services.
1.7L oil usage per 10,000k would appear fine IF the benchmark is 1.5L oil per 7,500k. Also, this might only be expected if say towing heavier loads on a regular basis etc.?
John Cadogan, in his latest video addressing this topic in relation to the LC300, seems far more focused on disparaging Toyota and less reassuring that some engines use oil as a consequence of their design. Just my personal view but I do find that in John's videos, the signal to noise ratio does vary considerably which is why I have stopped regularly tuning in.
That said, It appears that the quantum of oil usage may be the issue and so I would like to see some guidelines published by Toyota (if they do not already exist) as to what is acceptable oil consumption under average as well as "severe" conditions.
It also concerns me that "servicing" requirements increase to every 5,000k/3 months under "severe" conditions. This now goes beyond topping up the oil and becomes a far more costly and time consuming exercise for LC300 owners.I assume the service involves replacing the oil?
References to John Cadogan's Videos: (John can thank me later for directing traffic his way, ;-) )
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Hi,
Thanks so much for getting in touch and the detailed comment. I do watch John's videos for the educational content but failed to see logic applied in the case of the LC300 Oil usage video.
His past videos on oil consumption clearly confirm his views on what is normal oil usage and let's keep in mind that the additional 2 cylinders on the V6 will of course increase the overall oil consumption when referenced against a 4 cyl engine
Toyota states that oil consumption should decrease by 30000km travelled. We are still trying to get some information on what that number may be. Please use the customer information notice as a guide as to what is acceptable during the break in period. Additional maintenance requirements are not new and apply to every model to ensure services are performed correctly based on usage conditions. LC300 owners have not been singled out in this instance and the type of service required will depend on time and the km's travelled.
Well it’s another Toyota engine screwup!
I’ll stick with a V8 after all.
I'd avoid Toyota all together.
So what’s the impact on exhaust emissions from this oil burn?
Why wasn’t the oil usage publicised up front when the vehicle was launched?
What impact will the oil in the exhaust gases have on the dpf and cat converter?
Hi
All the information available to us is in the customer information notice issued by Toyota to the dealer network.
Apparently the correct oil is low ash, so the dpi should not be affected. If ou use a cheap oil or incorrect oil then the dpi can suffer
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 But not advised to potential customers.
Hi Darek, thanks for sharing this, I'd been trying to get clarification on this topic for a long time, with no luck. What are your thoughts about how this could impact the DPF as the engine burns oil and then being expelled via the exaust into the DPF. In some cases have seen these engine use 4 litres or more in 7-10k kms? That's my main worry.
How much oil are you using?
Have seen it on the bottom of the dipstick oil level indicator after every 7k or thereabouts, so all that oil presumably getting into combustion chamber and being burnt and expelled out the exaust. What are your thoughts if this could cause any longevity issues with exaust valves, DPF, etc. I'm being told it's just the way the 300's are. I also have a Prado with 1GD and no issues alike, and the 1GD is also modern diesel, so it doesn't make sense to me. Thanks 😊
My experience with my 2019 Prado is slightly different. I use about 500ml of oil every 5000km and that is also how often I do the oil change. The reason for us making this video is that owners who may be concerned about oil usage on their LC300 can rest assured that oil consumption is part and parcel of engine operation. As the customer notice advises, the amount of oil usage will depend on the way the vehicle is being used and the engineering team have taken this into consideration when designing the complete package. At some point we need sit back and enjoy our vehicle with the full confidence that the engineering team knows what they are talking about
Thanks Darek, really loving the content and time you are putting into these informative videos. Please feel free to keep us up to date as you see morr kms on the F33A-FTV. Watching with keen interest 🙂
Yes, will do. Thank you so much for the great feedback, really appreciate it, gives us a reason to keep producing content.
The reserve fuel tank is in the sump, so that's nice.
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Hi great video i have a hilux sr5 2018 lately noticed a rattling noise when start up when on for a couple sec then normal do some research it related to timing chain problem as this is really common with the hiluxs just want to know is this a recall problem or have to fix it myself cuz it out of warranty now
Hi
Thanks for reaching out. Please contact your Toyota dealer for diagnosis and assistance. Your dealer will diagnose the noise and answer any questions you may have.If you are local to Nunawading Toyota then of course we would like to assist you.
Timing chain tensioner may be gummed up so tensioner bit slow on start ups, but your Toyota dealership will give you a expensive alternative LoL
@Jeffrey Storer so did u done a repair on hilux timing chain yet, do u know the estimate cost to get it fix
@@TriNguyen-qq5ul no I don't have Hilux ,but had similar problem with sticky tensioner on diesal before , could try asking U tube ,some one will have similar problem and is some good information ,just watch a few to see a pattern forming ,at least it will give you rough ideas
Have you tried contacting a dealer ? If confirmed to be a timing chain related noise, please request dealer to approach Toyota on your behalf for out of warranty repair considerations
The mark on the top of the dipstick isnt the full mark. Full is in the middle of the lower mark and top mark so there is no mark for full. It clearly states this in the owners manual but plenty of 300 series owners come back to the dealership saying my oil level is low.
Well this should be fun
Is there an aftermarket sump upgrade so you can put in another 1-2 litres? :D
Why? This oil consumption is a non issue. Just top it up if low level warning light comes on.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 $100k++ car to top the oil up potentially a month after driving out the dealership if light comes on.. if it's gonna be an issue I'd just change the sump and be done with it adding more capacity, the last thing you want is the light coming on 800kms from a town to get more and you certainly shouldn't have to be carrying it onboard in a new car TBH
This is because what passes for "oil" these days has the viscosity of water lol
في السعودية محركات البترول تتحطم لاتستطيع التحمل مثل الاندكروز lc300 مع ارتفاع حرارة المحرك لاتستطيع تحمل دراجات الحرارة العاليه عندنا في السعودية تصل 55 درجة مئويه الاندكروز تفقد اعتمادها
Manufacturers chasing fuel economy figures are using ultra thin oils to the detriment of longevity. I have read oil consumption stabilises by 20,000km when the engine is fully run in…
Awfully thin oil for a start. I had a 1967 Valiant that used less oil than that...
Given that sort of oil use, does one really have to get the oil changed? Its damn near changing itself, you just have to keep it topped up ;)
Oil consumption reduces significantly after 20000km as mentioned in the Customer Information notice. That is what we are seeing first hand and that is also the feedback other owners are providing.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 One does wonder just what "wears in" over 20000kms that would reduce oil burn...
If this is the case, surely Toyota would be able to tell us exactly which part it was.
I have not seen anything in writing but would guess it has something to do with the cylinder wall surface finish.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 Perhaps, which begs the question, how is Toyota's cylinder wall surface finish different from everyone else's?
Maybe the engine tolerance after 20000km
beds in abit.
C'mon toyota help us out here...?
This is what you get ...when Politicians tell Engineers how to do things !!
Just use 0w-30 or 5w-30 oil and change your oil every 10.000 kms / 6 months
Have you got a LC300 and if so how is your oil consumption?
0w-20 is used to get there economy figure up.
Check service manual on viscosity rating and if
5w-30 is approved go for it.
I have to laugh at the ‘following situations where oil consumption may increase’ basically covers all driving situations, so in other words expect increased oil consumption in all situations.
A video by a Toyota dealer reading a Toyota factory memo should never be regarded as the truth.
Just put in a can of STP Oil Treatment or something like it !! :)
"to comply with emissions". Lol, where do they think the burnt oil goes!
Thanks for visiting and leaving a comment. No doubt you have viewed Mr Cadogan’s video on LC 300 oil usage. To understand his real views on oil consumption please consider viewing this video in which he describes oil usage of 1litre/7500km on a 4 cylinder engine as normal.
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@@nunawadingtoyota8134 You didn’t address the issue. How is it “complying with emissions” to dump a shit load of oil down the exhaust pipe? Surely burning oil is worse for emissions than just using an engine design (we’ve had well over 100 years to get it right at this point) that doesn’t burn any oil?
Low tension rings, etc are a fools errand when your probably burning more oil (in dollar value) than the amount of petrol you would have saved by using them!
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This is something I'd expect from an old zd30 Patrol, not a vehicle costing $120,000 and up. There is no excuse for this. If Hyundai can build modern Diesel's that dont burn oil and cost half the price, I'm sure Toyota can.
"Extreme Operating Conditions". It's a Land Cruiser. They are meant to perform in extreme conditions FFS.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment
My Zd30 Patrol never burned oil from new. It still doesn't burn oil even though use would be classed as extreme by Toyota.
New Toyota repair kit,1 2litre bottle of oil,a rag and a funnel,see a dealership near you for the free kit LoL
Let this video from Mr Cadogan paint an accurate picture of what his real views are on oil consumption.
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I'd rather have the company who built the engine explain how ,a expensive brand new engine burns oil,not just write some it's not our fault fluff piece , your trying to shift blame to a bearer of bad news , rather than rectify the news , I've owned many engine's over the years and not one of them has burner oil at that shocking rate ,new or otherwise ,bang on about driving conditions all you like , facts are it burns oil more than it should,but Only when it's running , really what's left looking nice in the driveway,O what a feeling just don't start the shitbox up
If a brand new LC300 off the dealer is burning 30% of engine oil capacity per scheduled service interval, then we have problem. I suspect 0w-20 was being used for the vehicle, 0w-30 or 5w-30 would be more suitable. Engine Oil has chemicals in it that’s would eventually break down overtime, regardless if the vehicle is running or sitting there. Service a brand new vehicle 15,000km/12months is stupid, stick with the 10,000km/6months which ever comes firsts. Not bashing Toyota on this, but my father owns a GR LC300 that he bought from Nunawading Toyota as we know one of the salesman there for a long time. Currently done 1,500km on the dash & done a free first service, i personally haven’t seen any oil consumptions yet even with 0w-20, as he only does normal driving from A-B.
Thanks for the detailed comment. The customer information notice has been issued by Toyota and we consider the information accurate.
I see another huge lawsuit on the horizon.
Basic motoring. Check your vehicle once a week. Takes a few minutes.
0W20 oil, i wonder why this engine has issues with oil consumption. 0w oil is only used in cold climate as it flows easier when cold, but 0w20 what a bad choice, all for euro 5, i guess toyota reliability will go out of the window with this. Should've stick with the 5w30 at least.
I would suggest the engineers would know better
This is a sad indictment on modern technology.
It is what it is.
No, it's not. Tech is better now than ever. Your expectations simply aren't realistic
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 No, it's a disgrace. Class action lawsuit coming soon, no doubt about it. A reasonable person would expect an engine to not use 30% of it's total oil capacity between services. Basic Australian consumer law , and Toyota have a track record of failing their customers.
@@glenntorrens8988 oil drinking landcruiser, WOW such amazing technology
@@wedgie Audi and BMW have been using oil on almost all their models for decades. Leak, burn wherever you can imagine. They are still selling and just don't give a fuck. Looks like toyota is going that way too.
Just dump the 0w20 and put 5w40 in it. Toyota cant openly say that because it passed euro 5 running on 0w20
5w40 is not specified for this engine
Ohhhh what a feeling, Oil burner 😂
Toyota should just admit they stuffed up and a 'hot-vee' V6 TT design isn't suitable for Australian conditions. Absolutely unacceptable for a $100+k vehicle.
Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. Perhaps you will have a different opinion of Mr Cadogan’s presentation of that LC300 video after watching this.
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All the comfort of an old Tata with less reliability.
The oil needs to be changed every 6000-7000 km.
Use only 0w20
There is a fix.....Don't drive it! ( My take away from the video )
Sounds like this engine is not 'fit for purpose' for the type of driving that many people use their LC300 for.
Is LC going to refund me should my engine decide to fail in a couple of years time due to excess wear of internal components?
Not good enough, Toyo is sounding more and more like Land Rover....
This is bullshit! Toyota has covered every possible driving condition on the planet! I will cross Toyota off my short list.
Thanks for visiting our channel and your detailed technical input.
What a lot of crock! “Normal”? Might be normal for all LC300’s with their experimental hot V engine to burn 30% of its oil capacity between services, but not normal for a well designed engine. 🤨
Geez, that oil usage is getting into my old Jaguar territory! At least with that I knew where the 2L of oil went…. usually all over the garage floor..🤣
Not just burnt away into ozone depleting fumes.
C’mon Toyota, you’re not doing yourself any favours. 🫣
burn it up humans!!
200 series $$$$$$$ ^^^^
So in order to stop oil consumption you need to stop driving your 300? what a joke. Well done toyota.
People need to wake up and stop buying toyotas
3 months? This is getting ridiculous. This motor is too highly strung for starters. Thankfully diesels wont be around much longer for domestic vehicles thank goodness.
Additional maintenance requirements are not new.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 The ridiculous price we pay for "advancement" Looks like we are all going backwards with diesels. They wont be around much longer for domestic vehicles thank goodness.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 No doubt it will be sorted out later, just like the early LandCruiser 200 Series V8s and their excessive oil consumption.
I expect this out of a nissan product, not a $100k upwards toyota
Oil consumption is not the issue, it’s the misconception that engines are not supposed to use oil and lack of understanding of why they do.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 no, oil consumption is the issue, my 400,000km 1hd powered cruiser uses a barely noticeable amount of oil between services
It does 200km a day, 25% of the time it tows about 2 ton and when its not towing its doing 120-130km/hr
This shouldn’t be a thing toyota needs to inform its customers about because it just shouldn’t happen especially for a minimum spend of $100k
1HD was and still is an awesome motor but in fairness we have moved on since then. 227kW and 700 Nm are impressive figures for a 3.3l engine. I think you’d agree that Toyota knows how to build engines. Toyota has issued this Customer information notice for owners that may be concerned about oil usage on their vehicles and explained the reasons for this. Not everyone may agree…
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 correct! To me, it's an absolute mystery as to why people expect an engine to NOT use oil when every owner's manual ever, mentions it
It's only $100K. It' not a Porsche! BTW Porsche spec is around 600ml per 1000km, iirc
haha glad i didnt buy this oil burner. next there gonna say dont drive it and it wont use oil🤣 what a load of shit service every 5000ks
seem like half the keyboard warriors here don't even own one
And never will.
Glad I didn't buy this!
Rubbish engine. Just buy petrol
Class action coming
Again! Already copped it for making cars with dodgy DPFs and now they are making Landcruisers that need oil more often than a two stroke engine. 😂
This a is a recall and full refund.
Everybody is welcome to leave a comment but we do not appreciate bad language on our channel.
Thank you.
@@nunawadingtoyota8134 sorry mate thank for post this you saved a lot of people a lot of headaches
Oh Toyota haha bUy a ThreE hUnDred..
I make no comment on the content of this CZcams post. I merely post this link which I personally like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit
Selling these 300’s is blatant fraud.
Thanks for visiting our channel and leaving a comment. You have probably come across our video after watching John Cadogan’s video on the LC300 oil consumption. We appreciate that everyone may have an opinion on this matter. We are however surprised by comments made by Mr Cadogan and encourage you to watch his other video (link below) on oil consumption to appreciate his real views on this matter.
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@@nunawadingtoyota8134 I’m no fan of Cadogan, he’s a liar. I’ve watched Tojo’s customer service decent over 20 years and involved in a second court case with Toyota after the Hilux DPF attempted fraud. Toyota, it’s warranty and service department have exceeded any anecdotal poor reputation with published facts that expose the company, its products and its service staff as incompetent, negligent and even criminal in its business practices. With the expanding reach of the internet trading off an historical brand is quickly becoming redundant, Toyotas denial, deflections and are coming back to haunt them.
Maybe Toyota should compensate customers for the R&D thats imposed on them.