"YOUR TOP ARTIST ARE FORMER PRODUCERS LIKE...." CYHI TALKS GHOST WRITING & PRODUCERS TURNED ARTIST
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"Nah bro them YE drums hit different" 🔥🔥
Niggas gotta stop acting like rakim a multimillionaire. We need help to get where we gotta go!!
🔥🔥🔥
FACTS 😂
Them not even his drums.. he said on Last Call his drums arent that good.. he usually brings the sample and has someone tweak the drums… Timbo on Stronger, Metro on Father Stretch My Hands
"I fought a civil war, now I'm fighting a global war"
Came to quote exactly this… that was a super bar!
Yeah he was spitting
Exactly. Cyhi sees the industry for what it is so he’s speaking for the perspective of knowing the truth and using it to his advantage to maintain his success and coin without getting lost in it. It’s black and white for him. That’s why Mecca having a difficult time understanding the “Big Picture.” It’s always been about the Money, Power, and Respect.
Great Bar but shameful that he's using it to try to justify using ghostwriters. Sorry folks, but i am with Mecca here (although i highly respect cyhi). Rappers should write their own shit, goddamit! Its the only genre where this is important and sorry if i hurt someone's feelings by saying this, but i think less of Drake if i know that he's using ghostwriters. Or to put it differently: If I wouöd believe that Benzino wrote Rap Elvis I would think higher of him after having heard that song. (No, I'm not an Em hater, but i HAVE to admit that Rap Elvis is well written🤷♂️)
Mecc the only one that be there trying to tell actual rappers how rappers feel about rap.😂😂😂😂
Facts 🤦🏾♂️
Shit dont make NO sense ..
Bruh think he God to rap
None of yall are hip hop. Yall are raised off the industry. What he's saying is you yelling let's represent being African american culture. But let's let white people decide what clothed we wear as the culture. They make our dashikis. Mecc raps. Not well. But he raps. His pen is good his flow wasnt
Naw he’s just been in the game 25+ years as a hip hop journalist! That means a lot especially when speaking to real LYRICISTS
Call up Big K.R.I.T. for a sit down!
Man that’s the one I’ve been waiting for. Super underrated.
😮💨 that’d be crazy
That's some real shit 💯
Cyhi speaking to pushing rap forward.. making the best product possible
Exactly.. Mecc sounds like he doesn’t want rap to evolve.
Cyhi probably one of the best rappers you've never heard about. Check out his music, you won't be disappointed.
I swear bruh different
Unfortunately they don't have his full discography on Spotify.
“No dope on Sunday” no skips GREAT GREAT ALBUM
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@@sayitaintjah album of the year that year easily
Interviews been crazy keep going.....can we get curren$y interview
Them Ye drums hit different 💯
He made his statement just with that one line! 🔥🔥
@@prof3ssor178na … because marketing and money put him there.
That was a good back and forth about hip hop.
Refreshing for my soul
Cyhi is crystal clear on his vision, no wonder he is on top of it. Little emotion, all thought!
No more intro songs please just get to the interview 🙏
Mecc got cooked on this. Cy is right. Hip Hop needs to focus on making great music / and that shit takes a village. Nothing wrong with collaborating. Best rapper and great songs don’t always mean the same thing.
When doesn’t he?
We go in the studio by ourselves to "keep it real" as artists but the people we up against bring in alot of the most talented artists and writers in the world to do music but whatever. Cyhi was right when we do our lyrical thing thats just fight a "civil war" but thats not gonna work to fight a "global war" artistically speaking because the majority of the world don't care how nice our double entendres are.
Yep songwriting a different beast. Jay z most acclaimed songs were not always the most lyrical or the joints the rap world messed with. Same with Snoop. It's part of the reason why jay z is also more acclaimed then say a common, mos def type artist. You peep how common career elevated when Ye gave him the sauce.
@@jman1562001 Common can rap by himself but he has writers for hooks. That's ghostwriting too. He has reference tracks so even if he changes all the lyrics the reference still had the cadences. One artist by himself verse the world is fine but artists that approach music with a team are naturally gonna do more.
@@leroygreen6310 naw hooks is different. If having a hook 🪝 is ghostwriting then the whole industry be like that. To me having assistance with a whole verse is the no no. Music is collaborative so people share bars, hooks, and concepts. Seen niggas take lines, rearrange whole verses, spit in different cadence, etc. It's the verses or 16s that is more problematic. If a nicca wrote the whole 16 or all of them 16s then you went in there and spit it, that's the egregious thing.
@@jman1562001 The whole industry is like that. The artists that have careers that work by themselves is prolly less then 1%.
@@jman1562001 Hey I'm just saying. Folks wanna write all by themselves that's cool but your competitions not by themselves.
Cyhi lowkey somehow dropped a sixteen in this interview. Bro talks in rap
Mecc acting like he got wild records and shit 😂😂 fall back son lol
Cyhi was on point, Mecca kept arguing just to win but he refused to really listen
He never wants to listen 😂😂😂
I wonder why we don’t trip off of “sampling” but co-writing lyrics is frowned upon???
Cause hip hop was created from sampling 🤦🏽♂️.
@@marrigtherebel3133 Exactly, Do you see the hypocrisy ?
He’s got a point, at some point you have to fight machine with machine
Son bugging he put math in the same category as j cole that crazy
I skip that rap intro everytime
Thought I was the only one who noticed that fuckery
@@UnderCapAOS me to
You can’t tell another man what great lyricism is to him. 🥴🤦🏽♂️
@@Skywalker721 STFU! Stevie Wonder could see you a 🤡
Mecca kills the vibe.. I like the angle but I don’t like the vibe it brings
It’s his arrogance and stubbornness
😂 he always does the same thing over and over , 1 vs 60 is unfair no matter how talented you are , and all the best rappers got help from Pac , Biggie , Jay Z , Nas and ghost face Killah
It makes for great content & conversation though, so I think he’s needed. 😂
Is that the guy with the dreads
Cyhi knows something about your favorite rappers that he’s holding on too..
Cyhi is right, it’s all about the battle you’re trying to fight.
Cyhi talking real shiii i gave up on music when i realize its 1 vs 5 or more and ima producer i completely understand
Me too once a team of writers came thru and the production and the bpm changed
If you’re claiming outside influences are the reason you gave up, then you never truly believed in yourself to begin with. Also, people don’t achieve great success on their own. So this idea that you can conquer the world solo is asinine. You can reach your full potential if you humble yourself & start keeping it real about what’s really going on.
And that's before you start factoring in the politics of the industry. Those 5 ppl could be way worse than u....but they got more clout so they get the look.... That's the issue
You ain't never lie fam
Thank you-----you can not beat a machine---Cyhi is speaking facts
Cyhi so underrated
It takes a lot for a rapper to be a top Hip Hop artists. They need a strong team overall. They need elite production & engineering with fresh ideas coming to them on a regular basis to keep up with the pace & energy at the top. A lot of them need stylists, image consultants, coaches, advisors, highly decorated management, top labels, elite videographers, elite choreographers, etc.
P.E.A.C.E. great show writing your own lyrics in hip hop is very important. Gat murda is another brooklyn way being produced ? Mecca i love when this topic comes up about hip hop ghostwriting it be on point math you put together a dope team word up P.E.A.C.E.
I get both sides of the conversation, and it's an interesting conversation to have. How do remain authentic in HipHop and become the most successful?
We treat a dope rapper with mediocre production the same way treat a wack rapper.
CyHi !!!! Ready for this one …. No dope on Sunday’s 😏 🔥 I stand 10 toes down 👣 shoes 👟 glued to the pavement…. Let’s go
Hiphop is the only genre ppl put all these limitations and rules on the art. Let art be art. Nothing wrong with collaborating.
It's people like Mecc that wanna put limitation on what rap/hip-hop should be...
Cyhi right . The actors get credit for words they speak in movies that somebody else wrote.
Ghostwriting should only limit somebody from the greatest lyricist conversation but when it comes to going to get that xxl bag or international acclaim I ain’t mad at it
You aint never lied 😂😂😂
Mecca is missing the point. Adele will have Bruno Mars, Sia, and Herself writing songs on her ONE album. And all three of them have grammies from writing songs. It's not many rappers who by the 4th-5th album people aren't tired of their message, because they've said the same thing over and over and over. That is why a team of writers is important to have when you're competing on THAT level. Otherwise, you're going to continue winning the awards that aren't televised. There are only a handful of rappers who have still been hot OUTSIDE of hip hop on a global level after their 5th album. The rest of them died in hip hop.
Y'all just want hip hop to be pop music and it's not. Authenticity is the whole point not winning awards and branching out beyond hip hop.
@@seanyoung9014 I understand what you are saying. But the ARTISTS/RAPPERS themselves want that also. If you're saying having writers means you can't be hip hop. Then that means NWA, Ghetto Boys, Snoop, and so many others AREN'T hip hop. How many times hip hop artists have boycotted award shows for NOT WINNING? Y'all are trying to tell hip hop artists how they should feel. You can't say it's not authentic when half of the music is already built off of samples. What you think is hip hop may only be unique to you.
@@austinaustin140 But it's not unique to me. My definition comes directly from the people who were involved in the creation of the artform back in the 70s and early 80s. If y'all want to call rhinestones diamonds, that's fine if enough people agree with you but that doesn't make it a fact. The fact that certain people became icons in the _business_ of rap doesn't mean whatever they did should be the guideline for how it should be done in hip hop. The problem is that the majority of people refuse to differentiate between the two things. It's like calling Kung Fu karate and then being dismissive when someone says it's not the same thing.
seanyoung and Austinaustin start yall podcast Love yall back and forth im on both yall sides..are truths to me where as i really cant deny one or the other
@@seanyoung9014 even the pioneers of hip hop disagreed with what was hip hop. There were different sets and groups that didn’t see eye to eye with each other in the 70s. Each opinion is unique to a group of people. That’s the point I’m making. But if you say having co-writers isn’t hip hop. Then 90% of the $ that’s credited to hip hop would not be present. And then you have artists who can do hip hop & other genres as well. Just because Ceelo or Gambino can go make a rock song or pop song, it doesn’t mean their hip hop catalog is any less hip hop.
Y'all finally got my guy up there💪🏾
Man i been listening to cyhi since
2013 hooked like a feen to the creativity and bars
He motivates me to write
I’m from the era of writing your own shit but my peers and older need to understand that standard is not the standard anymore, when people put on music is to capture or reflect a certain emotion they feel or want to feel at the moment and if the song accomplishes that that’s all that matters, how many people it took for that song to make that happen does not matter to 90% of people, same way u not tracking back the origin of the food u ordered at a restaurant, long as it’s good and looks clean then fuck it, u not asking the waiter how many trucks and people did it take to get here to cook
Ghostwriting has been around since the beginning of time. No era was ever pure. 😂
Blessings to all the Tribes especially the Tribe of GAD and JUDAH in the State of Georgia in North America within Israel and Within PANGAEA. Your vision on the Olympics since the Old Testament of 1996 and the Tribe of GAD what is our Native Language beyond Music and Poetry born before and after 1619-2019
Meccs mentality on this end up having to throwing rocks at tanks. Continue to evolve and grow.
Old school guys need to realize hiphop is not the same anymore and never will be deal with it
Thinking bigger than the box. This applies to all kinds of successful business
So heres the thing, unlike other genres of music like pop or rock where people sing and have vocals as their talent or the ability to play actual instruments, rap was all about lyrics, about what YOU said, not what someone else said. Taylor swift can have multiple writers because the talent was the voice. Same thing with Mariah Carey, etc. Rappers can't sing (except phonte) so the pen game was always the talent. It what drove the art.... I can come up with better stuff than you. The spirit of competition. True no one can do it alone but theres as difference between brainstorming and bouncing ideas off one another to spark creativity vs someone just writing the material for you because you lack the writing talent.
Cyhi building Motown. Which biggest problem was pivoting to innovate. Mecca wants dynamism he is concerned about building the greatest MC which comes by creativity alone. Motown gets you the airways, but the R&D better be serious, or you’ll miss the next 2pac like MC because your success formula too tight.
One of my top 5 rappers of ALL time!....bka The Entendre KILLA!
Cyhi can spit against anyone in the game and then have them leave trying to figure out the 2-3 ways you can spin what he just said.
Straight genius...💯🧠💯.
Kanye didn't choose him by accident...🗣.
dont forget cy when he spoke about him vs adele and she might have 20 writers, them 20 not nobody's either, they got accolades for writing 💯
Chy-Hi went off with this segment 👌🏽👌🏽
I agree with the title 😂😂
I bet she got a better chance rapping decently, than he has of singing decently
How would you quantify something like that?
It's impossible to stay at the top without the help of writers when you're playing on that level. That's just the truth and when you've been inside the rooms that this man has been you learn to shut up and learn. That's why our rap musicians runs be so short and other people can have 20 -25 year runs at the top when we get 5 except the ones whose had help That's a fact
Do math look at the analytics that we skip the intro all the time?
Who's competing wit Adele?? Thats a whole different genre of music!! A true Emcee writes they own rhymes. Plus, i can't take a man serious wearing a purse... FACTS 😂😂😂😂
A true lyricist writes there own rhymes.
Biz Markie was a MC and ain’t write a lot of that.
Biz was a Rapper not a Emcee! And a lyricist is technical with words!! FACTS
Respect to ‘Mecca 💪🏾✊🏾
Mecca loves telling rappers about rap.
This is why there’s nothing wrong with out growing relationships. Even kings have advisors. There’s nothing under Gods green that you can do at an elite level alone.
Cyhi is ya favorite rapper favorite rapper rapper IYKYK💪🏿💪🏿✔️💯
Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯
My GOAT! Please go back and check out his catalog! Black History Project 1 and 2, Royal Flush etc. All the way up to “Put That Shit On”. ROSEWOOD
What cyhi was saying is the game is different at a higher level. You look at all your favourite film directors they all say they had the super 8 camera and would write, film and edit their own films. But now they are professionals they hire writers, cinematographers, editors, and crew with the result being a better product.
"Cyhi the God" is right like I'm a singer songwriter that writes according to genre whether it's Hip Hop, R&B, Pop, Inspirational, Country, Club and Rock. I mainly Find new artists up and coming not any major artists yet but if they knew who I was then they could market it on a bigger scale than. Little Rock. Though I rather stay low 🗝️ cause it's easier to stay trapped behind the sound waves and not focus on the money aspect.
Thanks Math for having Cyhi on da Cast.
"LuxySleven"
A know it all at best.. Cyhi made 100% absolute sense. This is the one conversation where mecc is 1000% wrong.. You’re a journalist not a rapper 🤦🏾♂️ dude.
most artist feel like Cyhi, Cyhi is completely right, at first you rap for the respect of your peers, after you rap for the respect of the world, so many of Meccas favorite artists have had ppl who wrote the full record for them, it’s literally a video of Kanye West rapping lines for Jayz to say then Jay went in the booth and rapped them verbatim, so we gotta let this whole you can’t be the GOAT if you had ghost writers, Mecca loves taking shots at Drake without sayin Drakes name cause he don’t really want that smoke and Drake don’t pay him no mind at all what so ever, it’s starting to feel click baity and clout chasing now from Mecca when he talks about it 💯💯💯
Cyhi’s Right. I Don’t Know What Mecca Be Talking About 😂
Mecca Jacket 🔥🔥🔥
🙋🏾💯🙏🏾 Who decided or Suggested, tune your Senses for this Holistic Therapeutic Podcast in English. Is that okay when English is your First Language when you learn from Business to Survive
Cyhi keeping is 💯💯…
A regular Nicca ain’t beating no gotdamn machine. John Connor needed to Manipulate a MACHINE for help to defeat a BIGGER, FASTER AND STRONGER MACHINE that in the end he still could’nt phase it in the game of attrition.
Using a ghost writer is like a dummy getting credit for an A on a test that someone else took for them!..
Ghost Writers= Non Creative Integrity
But could equal a hit song. And that what most people want. . Hiphop is the only genre ppl put all these limitations on the art.
It's called standards, not limitations.. And it's an artform so If you don't have the talent to create your own "art" then you should find something you are creatively talented at instead of shining through someone else's light/ life.
@@b.s0vere1gn so I guess michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, the Beatles, and all the iconic acts of the past aren’t real artists because they had writers, michaelangelo and Leonardo divinci had help from assistants, guess they aren’t real artists anymore either. While we are at it, a lot of top music producers other ppl in the studio helping with beats , especially when it comes to mixing and mastering a song, guess we should take dr Dre, timbaland and Kanye off the list of great producers. By your standard none of them are great artists.
@@mackl8305 I think you are missing the point.. We were talking about hip hop ghost writers, not vocalist and producers.. And everyone you mentioned are artists because they are and were very musically talented as well as capable of creating their own music along with collaboratig with others.. I'm saying a lyricist who can't write their own lyrics is untalented lyrically!
@@b.s0vere1gn being a rapper is still being a recording artist. Your voice is an instrument even if you aren’t singing. It’s not as simple as reading piece of paper. You give dmx and snoop the same lyrics, the vibe and delivery comes out completely different. We heard how bout Quentin miller sounded with lyrics he gave drake.
If ppl want to bicker about who’s the best lyricist that’s fine too for the ppl that write their own stuff all the time. But most ppl just want to hear good music. When your in the discussion of Grammys and you’re surrounded by a bunch of l talented ppl who could help you get to the next level, why handcuff yourself to rules that were imposed when it was a small community of ppl.its like going into a prize winning fight with one hand tied behind your back.
Mecc is placed there to be objective to all but remember this is all just multiple opinions from different views so his objections kinda carry vaule to subjects
Tyler is a another great artist that’s a producer too.
I'm not really sure exactly what Cyhi means but look at guys like Game. Game's street albums and tapes before G-unit were different before he got signed. Everybody knows he's a hell of a rapper but once he got to Aftermath/G-unit, he changed his flow, turned heavy on name drops and 50 had written songs for him on The Documentary. Most folks still say that's HIS masterpiece
You can tell who actually reads the credits on albums. A large chunk of rap has ghost writers
first! let's go
Like that bitcoin paraphernalia!
Math Hoffa elite level pen? 🤔
Lmao he work for him so he had to reach for a min
😂
The difference is that Drake kept it a secret about his ghostwriters and Kanye was up front about who was writing his bars. Everyone knew Kanye had Consequence, Common, Ryhmefest, Cyhi, and others write for him. Therefore no one can use it against him or shane him about using ghostwriters. Drake on the other hand, did not want that information to come out about him having ghostwriters. So drake gets clowned on for calling himself the best and not being up front or shedding light on who writes fro him. Kanye always shouted out his ghostwriters and put them on his albums. Drake tried to play cover up and hide the fact Quentin Miller existed from the beginning. Quentin he was credited as (QM). Thats why we dont see Drake how we see nas, cube, rakim, doom, scarface etc.
I agree with cy hi
Mecca sounds crazy
Damm Dogg not the same without bigga
I can’t respect a rapper who claims to be a great and has a ghost writer
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Papoose is one of the best lyricist to ever rap but he hasn't had a number 1 song. If he was to link up with a Quentin Miller who pap is better than to help him come up with better hooks, cadences and melodies to have a better album would I care? Absolutely NOT!
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bulllshit thats all a real like Pap need real talk he is a bonafide lyricist but he need a dash of Migos and some of that Bay Area/ Detroit funk and I'm from Houston I always wanted to be an A&R but im a security guard 😢😢 but hey at least I could live through Jay Hova Soon they'll understand
Everytime I hear that intro my ear bleeds
I agree with chyi on this topic. Im into lyrics with the rest of the hip hop heads but at some point, rappers need to focus on the business at hand and stop worrying about who's the nicest if it aint going to lead to no money. If adele got 17 people in the studio, why cant our young black kings and queens start having people from their neighborhoods coming together to make great music? Do i want my favorite Mcs to be killing it lyrically but himself, sure! But im not going to stop listening to their music if they got help
A guy that doesn’t rap literally telling one of the top writers in hip hop about what’s to be accepted in rap 🤦🏽♂️…. DUB!!
But where does the money that Meccas talking about come from? Aint it from the sales that Cyhi is trying to talk about?? 🤔
But at wat point does it become something else and not hip hop
Wonder why killa mike won 3 Grammys.
Mecca used to rap as well tho. He was signed to Qn5 i believe. Just cause he didnt have the big success dont mean he cant talk his shit.
Doesnt he manage Busta now?
I think he knows a thing or 2 about this culture/industry
Mecca I’ve disagreed with you a ton of times but NOW I finally get you we are in the same tribe ✊🏾💪🏾
cyhi is right
Em is a great producer
I disagree with Mecca when he says those people observe the culture. Let’s not get it twisted. I don’t know everything obviously but I’m pretty sure there is more to hip hop than just recording music in a studio.
Dude thinks them global superstars don't have a room full of greats to enhance the ART. The performance, the bending of the genre, it takes a team
..them ye drums tho
Mecca must used to rap?
Underground artist can make iller albums than your favorite rapper right now. Money can buy views today but back then im sure talent was elite enough for everyone to borrow from each other. Masterpieces were made outta nothing
Hmmm...Cy Hi makes some good point...but this is hip hop...You will never win with that logic...If Jay and Nas use writers, they have the strongest contracts ever. Meaning, whoever helping them, will never leaked that info. If are using Cy Hi logic, for the money and grammies. Kendrick is using 3Stack and Lupe as writers, he got 17 grammys, and he making bank? Drake known for having writers, he only 5 grammys, but he got a lot of bread..Nas and Rakim are still known as the greatest MCs in the world and they don't sell like that and Nas just won his first grammy, (should have won his second, but shout out to Killer Mike). But Hip Hop aint going against Adele...Hip Hop is Hip Hop..You gonna make that paper regardless...Not sure how this logic works. I understand he is saying, but nah
Cyhi helped someone on your list that you're talking about like a God lol.
He knows that what hip hop fans think it is....isn't the case now.
By this logic....Jay Z shouldn't be mentioned as the goat because he used Biggie verses to make completel songs
Mecca chill. Mecca don't understand a project. The goal and creative music.
Its nothing crazy about having ghost writers and all that, YOU just cant say that youre the best doing that. If youre in a 1 on 1 fight and your boy trips your opponent and he falls you dont get to say YOU knocked him out.
Mecc stuck in his own context, simple.
And guess what, I promise you J.Cole would say that Drake has an amazing pen.