Nice video! A couple of notes: The same spring cut shorter will be stiffer - just because the stock spring is shorter doesn't make it any 'worse', really (a lot of people think a shorter spring will be softer just because it's shorter). This isn't really applicable here because the spring itself is different (different thickness, possibly different material, different coil spacing). Going to a stiffer spring rate, as you did (as long as it's appropriate for your weight) should definitely improve the ride. The longer spring won't give it any more travel - this is limited by the design of the fork. When I replace the fork oil, I'd learned to 'pump' the fork after putting the new oil in (before putting the spring in etc.) which gets the air out and oil into the various parts of the fork. You pumped it to get the old oil out - it should be pumped after putting the new oil in, otherwise, you'll end up with air pockets and the oil won't be where it needs to be to provide damping. Would the air pockets eventually work themselves out, very likely, but they the air volume would be higher inside the fork than it should, which could compromise the operation of the fork.
Liked the video today. You get bonus points for saying (WARSHER) instead of WASHER. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 😎 Oh, where is the test ride with the new springs?.. Have fun!
The TW200 is a fantastic bike for trail riding and it will go all day, BUT its a trail bike and I have to respect it for what it is, There are lots of spring mods for the front and rear of these bike, I personally went with better tires and pretty much left most of the bike stock,, I weigh 180 and have been riding for over 30 years and ive only bottomed out a couple times in the thousands of miles Ive been riding the TWs, Yes I do catch air from time to time and do go too fast. BUT please IF IF you want something to go bombing around on, You can tune the TW suspension to handle it, BUT YOU STILL HAVE FIFTEEN HP,,,, It may be best to buy a bigger power machine and fit bigger tires. Going to organize a group ride in Western Pa next month,
Peter Blatt I love it now with just adding these springs I can do half decent jumps and wheelies. . But it has its limits..but that's why you have more then one bike!
Thanks for watching! yes they are pretty good for street tires! i didn't do much off road when i put them on but for hard pack dirt they do half decent
Hey Man, Good Video. Yeah I Can't Believe Yamaha Is So Chintzy With Their Fork Springs. It's Bad Enough The Skid Plate Is Made Out Of Aluminum Foil (FortNine Said So) & They Don't Include A Kick-Start But It's Still A Great Bike & Has A Tremendous Following. Still Have Yours?
Curious why you went with 5 weight? I am going to do this spring change as well - I have 10 or 15 wt. in other bikes. I weigh 210 and bottom out often with the stock springs on TW....but don't want to stiff/harsh a ride. Suggestion? Is the ride still smooth over rocks with the stiff spring and thinner oil?
Stock weight is 10W. I, personally would go 10 or maybe 15 (maybe mix the two to get something in between) to improve the damping performance. 5W seems pretty light - it's a heavier spring, but the lighter oil will mean less damping, so the rebound might be too much as a result (stiffer spring means it will want to rebound harder/faster, and the lighter oil will give less damping - you could end up with a bit of a pogo effect on the front end). We are talking about some pretty basic 80's tech forks, though, so would I, or most people, be able to feel the difference - maybe not.
If you could go back and do it over again would you have done the same stiffness or a slightly softer option? I dont bottom often but i have alot of dive under braking but i havent done much hard offroading yet either. I want to get a rear spring at the same time and possibly extend my swingarm an inch or two to try and make it ride better over washboard surfaces.
I for sure wouldn't have gone softer. The weight of spring I used was a great improvement over stock. I stil could bottom it out but I ride stupidly haha however it would be a great overall improvement
I have heard that the suspension sucks on the TW's. Has anyone tried swapping out the whole front end with one that was on serious enduro bike? I would think that could make a huge improvement.
Well thank you :) and thanks for watching! I have yet to bottom it out I have done some pretty nice wheelie drop offs and slammed the front and it hasn't yet haha it is substantially stuffer
Hey man I like what you did but those seal savers you have on aren't the best idea j would go with the boot because the seal savers trap all the gunk and mud. I had those on my ktm and they were trash. Let's say your dad is on his kdx 250 and roosts you, mud and gunk goes to your forks, then your suspension compresses and it allows the gunk and mud to reach to your seals which makes them go bad quicker. Told this by my uncle, a semi pro trail rider from here in Cali.
I have heard they aren't the greatest for mud but the boots also let tons of dirt in also they made them perforated at the bottom and it just let dirt get in there and sit. I don't know how much mud I will be actually hitting with it anymore because I'm going to use it for my commute to work in town. that's why I went for the boots
What part of the country puts an "R" in "washer?" At 3:34 he says war-sure. I'm not attacking grammar, I've just never heard that ever, so must be a local thing.
@@Smightification Anyway, I see you got the .70 springs. I'm on the fence between the .60 and .70. I'm hefty at 230lbs. Are you happy with the .70 springs upfront or are they too stiff? I know this is an old video, but you really should know by now haha. I'm also on the fence about the rear thinking the 15kg over the 19kg might be enough. Thoughts? Appreciate any feedback.
@@Techridr how do you use the bike fo you ride it really hard? The springs made a world of a difference if you are really riding hard go with the even stiffer springs.... like if you jump it often.. as for the rear I dont know I didn't change that out.. it needed it for sure but I never did it before I sold the bike
haha glad you like it! yes I still have it but sadly haven't had a chance to really get out on it with work and stuff.. I commute on my BMW so I still blog but haven't had a chance to just get out and rid my other bikes.. life man haha
Nice video! A couple of notes: The same spring cut shorter will be stiffer - just because the stock spring is shorter doesn't make it any 'worse', really (a lot of people think a shorter spring will be softer just because it's shorter). This isn't really applicable here because the spring itself is different (different thickness, possibly different material, different coil spacing). Going to a stiffer spring rate, as you did (as long as it's appropriate for your weight) should definitely improve the ride. The longer spring won't give it any more travel - this is limited by the design of the fork. When I replace the fork oil, I'd learned to 'pump' the fork after putting the new oil in (before putting the spring in etc.) which gets the air out and oil into the various parts of the fork. You pumped it to get the old oil out - it should be pumped after putting the new oil in, otherwise, you'll end up with air pockets and the oil won't be where it needs to be to provide damping. Would the air pockets eventually work themselves out, very likely, but they the air volume would be higher inside the fork than it should, which could compromise the operation of the fork.
Liked the video today. You get bonus points for saying (WARSHER) instead of WASHER.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 😎
Oh, where is the test ride with the new springs?.. Have fun!
Worsher is Regional dialect. Though not as flamboyant as a southern or other accents.
Nice video.
God Bless and Best Wishes! M.H.
Just a quick observation, so many people skip the important part, the removal of the forks.
The TW200 is a fantastic bike for trail riding and it will go all day, BUT its a trail bike and I have to respect it for what it is,
There are lots of spring mods for the front and rear of these bike, I personally went with better tires and pretty much left most of the bike stock,, I weigh 180 and have been riding for over 30 years and ive only bottomed out a couple times in the thousands of miles Ive been riding the TWs, Yes I do catch air from time to time and do go too fast. BUT please IF IF you want something to go bombing around on, You can tune the TW suspension to handle it, BUT YOU STILL HAVE FIFTEEN HP,,,, It may be best to buy a bigger power machine and fit bigger tires.
Going to organize a group ride in Western Pa next month,
Peter Blatt I love it now with just adding these springs I can do half decent jumps and wheelies. . But it has its limits..but that's why you have more then one bike!
I recently switched to that same front tire and love how much smoother it is on the road. I haven't gone off road yet though. Cool video!
Thanks for watching! yes they are pretty good for street tires! i didn't do much off road when i put them on but for hard pack dirt they do half decent
Hey Man, Good Video. Yeah I Can't Believe Yamaha Is So Chintzy With Their Fork Springs. It's Bad Enough The Skid Plate Is Made Out Of Aluminum Foil (FortNine Said So) & They Don't Include A Kick-Start But It's Still A Great Bike & Has A Tremendous Following. Still Have Yours?
I ended up selling it. It was a fun bike but not enough performance for me lol
I just ordered these springs
Why do you need front forks when you could wheelie instead.
Just an idea to think about.
I have put a good deal of thought into that... lol I also have been practicing my wheelies
Great bro, can not wait to see some massive wheelies of yours.
I am going to see if I can crack a 1 KM wheelie this weekend
(1 KM = 0.6 miles)
lol nice hope you can nail it! yeah ill get some video of it next time I'm working on it
Curious why you went with 5 weight? I am going to do this spring change as well - I have 10 or 15 wt. in other bikes. I weigh 210 and bottom out often with the stock springs on TW....but don't want to stiff/harsh a ride. Suggestion?
Is the ride still smooth over rocks with the stiff spring and thinner oil?
the ride didn't really change it just doesn't bottom out unless I'm being stupid XD and sending it
Stock weight is 10W. I, personally would go 10 or maybe 15 (maybe mix the two to get something in between) to improve the damping performance. 5W seems pretty light - it's a heavier spring, but the lighter oil will mean less damping, so the rebound might be too much as a result (stiffer spring means it will want to rebound harder/faster, and the lighter oil will give less damping - you could end up with a bit of a pogo effect on the front end). We are talking about some pretty basic 80's tech forks, though, so would I, or most people, be able to feel the difference - maybe not.
Hey have a question, did you upgrade your rear shock spring. Let me know, I'm considering going with a stiffer spring. Thanks Herby
no I didn't but I should have.. but I didn't have the extra cash for the rear spring
Smightification ok, thanks
If you could go back and do it over again would you have done the same stiffness or a slightly softer option? I dont bottom often but i have alot of dive under braking but i havent done much hard offroading yet either. I want to get a rear spring at the same time and possibly extend my swingarm an inch or two to try and make it ride better over washboard surfaces.
I for sure wouldn't have gone softer. The weight of spring I used was a great improvement over stock. I stil could bottom it out but I ride stupidly haha however it would be a great overall improvement
I have heard that the suspension sucks on the TW's. Has anyone tried swapping out the whole front end with one that was on serious enduro bike? I would think that could make a huge improvement.
There are people who swap it to yz forks its pretty involved
hey I love your vids is there any botteming out with the full springs? also is it much stiffer
Well thank you :) and thanks for watching! I have yet to bottom it out I have done some pretty nice wheelie drop offs and slammed the front and it hasn't yet haha it is substantially stuffer
+Smightification to stiff now?
+crownviclvr nope it's not too stiff for me and I weigh 190
Hey man I like what you did but those seal savers you have on aren't the best idea j would go with the boot because the seal savers trap all the gunk and mud. I had those on my ktm and they were trash. Let's say your dad is on his kdx 250 and roosts you, mud and gunk goes to your forks, then your suspension compresses and it allows the gunk and mud to reach to your seals which makes them go bad quicker. Told this by my uncle, a semi pro trail rider from here in Cali.
I have heard they aren't the greatest for mud but the boots also let tons of dirt in also they made them perforated at the bottom and it just let dirt get in there and sit. I don't know how much mud I will be actually hitting with it anymore because I'm going to use it for my commute to work in town. that's why I went for the boots
The sleeve* not the boot lol my bad
+Smightification oh haha I thought you were going to ride it hard lol anyways loved the video and everything about your channel!keep it up bro!
+Its Vortx lol just because I'm riding streets doesn't mean it won't be hard haha I'm going to ride it hard still haha
Thank you :)
Did it make big difference?
huge. I was bottoming out on every little bump or wheelie on the stock and now they only do it if I hit really hard when I jump it.. lol
Why is their one kit $109 and the other with two little doodads $289?
The emulators act like a real valved cartridge fork without being one. They make a regular spring fork adjustable
@@Smightification Thanks for the quick response! Go back to bed fool
@@MindBodySoulOk wish I could but I got work to do Haha enjoy your day
The shop I usually go to wants $250 to do this . I'm going to check prices in pro web site and see.... hmmm
Installed ?
So how do you like the new fork springs. On road, off road?
on road not much of a difference really that i can remember but off road must have if you do any sort of bigger bumps or wheelies
What part of the country puts an "R" in "washer?" At 3:34 he says war-sure. I'm not attacking grammar, I've just never heard that ever, so must be a local thing.
I honestly don't know where I picked that up haha but I'm in north central Pennsylvania
@@Smightification Anyway, I see you got the .70 springs. I'm on the fence between the .60 and .70. I'm hefty at 230lbs. Are you happy with the .70 springs upfront or are they too stiff? I know this is an old video, but you really should know by now haha. I'm also on the fence about the rear thinking the 15kg over the 19kg might be enough. Thoughts? Appreciate any feedback.
@@Techridr how do you use the bike fo you ride it really hard? The springs made a world of a difference if you are really riding hard go with the even stiffer springs.... like if you jump it often.. as for the rear I dont know I didn't change that out.. it needed it for sure but I never did it before I sold the bike
@@Smightification worsher is used heavily in Indiana.
Lol he said fork hole
my bad XD
Smightification actually made me laugh, love the vids man. You still have the tw?
haha glad you like it! yes I still have it but sadly haven't had a chance to really get out on it with work and stuff.. I commute on my BMW so I still blog but haven't had a chance to just get out and rid my other bikes.. life man haha