Why You Need to Be PRESENT at Church!
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Jon and Justin speak about the ordinary means of grace and how essential church attendance is for the believer!
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This is Very encouraging...we can justify ourselves for not going to church but this has spoken to my heart..be under Gods word on the Lords day..the day of rest is a sunday He rose on a sunday and that's why we should all honour this day if we can....it may challenge us, our conscience but its true x
Nowhere in the Bible is there a directive for a weekly gathering specifically designed to hear a preacher. The New Testament emphasizes believers coming together for mutual encouragement, prayer, fellowship, and teaching, but it does not prescribe a structured weekly assembly solely for listening to a preacher or pastor deliver a sermon. The gatherings described in the Bible involve active participation, mutual sharing of spiritual gifts, and the building up of the community of believers in various ways, rather than a passive audience listening to a sermon every week.
I think you should keep reading your Bible. You are missing some important parts that make this comment incorrect
@THEOCAST What parts am I missing? Making a theological claim, such as the necessity of attending church to listen to a preacher, without providing requested and required biblical support, is an ethical and moral failure. It risks misleading believers and undermining the integrity of biblical teachings. The Bible calls for truthfulness and integrity in proclaiming God's Word, and making unsubstantiated claims about religious practices can lead to confusion and misunderstanding among the faithful. Ethical responsibility demands grounding theological assertions in solid biblical evidence to ensure faithfulness to God's revelation and to avoid misleading others in matters of spiritual importance.
Well brother all I have to say is that is how the early reformers did things. Not to put them on a pedastil as they had their flaws but regulated weekly preaching by a qualified man to a listening gathered congregation is what brought Christendom out of the dark ages.
@@jeffwatt4684 To claim the mantle of the early reformers while advocating for a singular, regulated preacher is a mockery of their fight for sola scriptura! They wrestled with the very idea of a human intermediary between God and believer. The reformers championed the right of every individual to access and interpret scripture for themselves, guided by the Holy Spirit! This "regulated preaching" throws a thick curtain over the clear light of God's word, filtering it through the potential biases and limitations of a single man.
Where is the empowerment of the priesthood of all believers in this model? Does the Holy Spirit only speak through a chosen few deemed "qualified"? This stifles the very gifts God has bestowed upon all believers! The early church, though not without its flaws, offered a different model. There was a focus on shared learning, open discussion, and wrestling with scripture as a community. This passive "listen and receive" approach reeks of the very control the reformers fought against.
Sola scriptura doesn't just mean having a Bible in every hand; it means encouraging active engagement with its message. This regulated preaching model seems to be putting the Bible on a leash, allowing access only through the interpretation of a single preacher. What happened to the power of the Holy Spirit to illuminate scripture for each believer? Are we to believe the Holy Spirit only speaks through a select few "qualified men"? This diminishes the transformative power of scripture for the entire congregation, turning a vibrant dialogue with God into a one-sided lecture.
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I have heard this ridiculous non-argument many times in Bible study groups. Someone says something, another disagrees but instead of pointing to relevant passages or using sensible, well argued theological points, the latter will admonish the former by some form of "You need to study the Bible more." Well, it no longer works for modern well read Christians.
Isn't going to church every Sunday nothing more than pietism?
It is, if you’re attending just to “check a box.” The corporate gathering of the church is one place where believers experience God’s grace through various means. Why would someone want to miss out on that?
I have been burnt by fellow believers to where I would rather stream and listen all week then go on Sunday. 😢
The visible church is a mixture of the good, bad and downright ugly as Jesus warned us (Matt 13; 24 ff). It is the gymnasium that God uses to prune and grow us and this often comes through toxic relationships. God is not the author of these but He uses the painful experiences to grow us in discernment so that we don't keep getting hurt or hurt others. God chose to not set up the church without evil being present in it but has chosen to transform the evil experiences for good to those that love His Son (Romans 8). The church will cease to sin only when Christ perfects it at His Second coming, At that time he will also completely remove all the effects of our mutual sinning against one other. Get healed up brother and get back in the saddle again because His mercies for you are new every morning (Lamentations 3; 22 ff).
Thanks brother for that encouragement and taking time out to reply. Lord Bless you!
The belief that attending church on Sunday is a Biblical mandate is not explicitly found in the Bible. The early Christians met regularly, often daily, and not specifically on Sundays. The concept of Sunday worship developed over time in Christian tradition, however, there is no direct commandment stating that Sunday must be the day of worship.
It can indeed be wise to avoid associating closely with individuals who propagate falsehoods about religious practices. Maintaining fellowship with those who share genuine and well-founded beliefs can contribute positively to spiritual growth and understanding. This approach helps in nurturing a faith community based on truth and genuine faith.
@@1Whipperin Sounds great on paper brother, but such a beast doesn't exist. I would refer you to Romans 14 where Paul is addressing the meat eaters and the vegetable eaters to get along because they were obviously at each others throats. Nowhere does he tell the weak and strong brothers to separate from eachother although that would seem to be the best thing to do if they were simply thinking about their own spiritual comfort. Both groups were throwing eachother under the bus based on perceived falsehoods or errors in the other. Your comments against Theocast in my opinion seem to demonstrates the same kind of dogmatism that you seem to see in them. Eat the meat and spit out the bones I always say. If you can't help but choke on the bones in the meat then stick to veggies. Hopefully both eating to the glory of God and not maligning others who the Spirit has called to also be in the body of Christ and are entitled to their opinions and convictions in secondary issues.
@@jeffwatt4684 Where in the Bible is a weekly gathering that focuses on the preaching of one man? It doesn't exist. Such a gathering is not a Biblical gathering.
These guys are misleading. Hebrews 10:24-25 emphasizes the importance of believers gathering regularly to encourage and support one another, especially as they see "the Day" approaching. "The Day" refers to a significant event in their near future, often understood as the impending judgment and destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. This passage calls for active participation and mutual edification within the faith community, urging believers to remain steadfast and spur each other on to love and good deeds in light of the approaching crisis.
In Titus and 2 Timothy among other passages we find talk about overseers and/or shepherds or pastor-teachers. What do you think is meant with those passages? What role do you believe these people aught take up?
It is not a sin to not go to church on Sundays. It is not an obligation. People really be making it a Holy Day of Obligation… in the letters, “don't neglect the gathering together” it’s an exhortation as in a strong encouragment to gather together not a you have to and its the law and if you don't you're sinning against God and somehow you're not right with Jesus and its a direction reflection of your relationship with Him. Nope. It’s not. It’s a way to create strings and spiritual and mental abuse. Wait until you're in the wilderness with Jesus and almost close to death. The only thing that matters is your personal relationship with Jesus Christ and your faith in Him. If I haven't spent much time with Him, I'm going to choose Him over a bunch of noisy people who do not know me and I don't know and only cloud everything and distract me with their opinions and wrong beliefs and pietism and hyper charismatic and spiritual abuse. I have zero interest in being around happy go yuppy Christianese people when what I have gone through and am going through as a human being and a Christian is way too real and deep. And why would I want to go to churches where I've been badly spiritually and emotionally and mentally abused. I'm talking charismatic and non-deniminational. When I meet people who are like Christ and gave integrity then perhaps it will be worthwhile. Unless of course the Holy Spirit leads me somewhere which He has at times in the past. Its also very rare to hear an exegetical teaching from right doctrine. Over it.