Tory leadership debate: 'We haven't exactly covered ourselves in glory'
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- Conservative candidates for party leadership took part in a heated live debate this evening on Channel 4. The discussion followed a wide range of policy areas from climate change, to fiscal policy and rising living costs.
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Tom slam dunked Rishi there - ‘You said the Boss wanted it’.
Lol you wish. He's expected to get knocked out the race. Rishi will take the title and become PM.
Look at you all arguing which bully you want to punch you in the face.
@@tentaklaus9382 Eh? What an embarrassment these lot are
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Truss and Rishi are the 2 worst out of a shockingly bad bunch
He should do what the boss says shouldn’t he?
Cannot wait for the final of "Britons Next PM", hosted by Ant and Dec. This whole gameshow is a JOKE and Embarrassing!!!!
How is this a gameshow? They are having a political debate and this happens before any election. You should watch the first Biden vs Trump debate if you havent already and would realise how much more peaceful and tame this debate was in comparison.
Aslan Tech you clearly don’t understand the uk government. This isnt anything like the American presidential debates. The public don’t get to choose which of these candidates become the PM- they are all from the same party and the party members choose who becomes PM. So yeah this debate is pointless- if anything it puts even less trust in the public.
@@ReverseSideArms I am British and I do understand the UK government. I dont know which part of what I said suggested that I thought this was a general election or that the people had a say. I am well aware that this is a party election and that is actually precisely why there is a point of this debate because you have to remember there are hundreds of conservative MP's that are trying to decide who to vote on and these debates will certainly influence that decision. Also I disagree about your point that this makes the public trust the government less because imagine they didnt hold these televised debates, we would know nothing about these candidates and about the candidate that may potentially become the next leader of this country, these debates are actually useful in that sense.
Gameshow, or SHAMESHOW!
@@aslantech52 It's an election voted on by 0.3% of the population. Why is it on national TV? Because it's just a gameshow.
Pay politicians minimum wage and see who sticks around to do the job for the people
Rich people, because they'd be the only ones who could afford it.
Sunak would definitely stick around. He’s from a billionaire family, do you think he cares about a mere few grand
Yes, pay someone minimum wage for a job that takes up your entire life, is profoundly difficult, and is profoundly stressful. Makes loads of sense!
Politicians get paid a pittance compared to private sector work they could instead be doing. I've a mid level IT job and even I earn sbout 70% of Boris's salary. I'm not saying they are doing it for The People but nor are they doing it for the money.
@@Littletime839 You are overpaid too. That is why you hide behind an absurd concept.
You don't fund the NHS the working people do!
Thousands don't work,thousands are taking not giving????
@@colinwishbone4437 millions
Says guy who's Dad was a GP. Wonder if he can see him Face to Face because the majority still cannot see there GP Face to Face.
@@colinwishbone4437 The NHS is based on clinical need, not ability to pay. That's the whole sodding point.
@@colinwishbone4437 Your wrong.. Everyone pays tax wether it's from wages or buying things.
It's somewhat telling that the top three contenders were the worse performing in the debate.
Because they are the reason we are in this Mess. And they certainly was clueless stuck in the same old ways. Just Tick the Tory Party Box of Wash Spin Repeat cycle.
No
@Xavier Behavier Yea, I mean it's not like labour party member are not rich and have their fingers in the pies. There is no such thing as an honest party.
@@thesaltybrit9321 Yes, but ones are willing to share a slice of the pie, the others not even that.
So Sunak will get the job (because he looks and sounds the part) and then repeat the same dishonesty that Boris did. Whereas Kemi should get the role but she won't because she doesn't look or sound the part. And around and around we will go.
Rishi nose just got bigger when that statement was slapped in his face! We don’t want you Sunak!
I'd rather have him than the other four. At least he's realistic about the need to not cut taxes. I just wish he'd place the burden a bit more on the rich.
@@sb_dunk doing all this was his job and he failed, why would you promote a failure
@@andrewdickens7016 Where specifically do you think he's failed? I'm not saying he has or hasn't, just interested in why you think this
Sunak is as bad as Boris. If Boris had to go then Sunak and Truss cannot be the new leaders. They were Boris,s inner circle and Sunak has a conviction.
Exactly
Saunak will be the next PM of 🇬🇧
Excellent point
It makes no difference they will have chose the one that serves their masters.
No....
Simple answer from an honest MP. Thank you Tom. Why can't we vote ourselves for the next PM
Same reason STARMER IS THERE MONEY MONEY
We don't really have much of a say in these things sadly. Tom being honest is also exactly why he won't win in these corrupt times. It makes no sense for rishi to be the front runner
He gave an honest answer in one circumstance. That doesn't make him an 'honest MP'.
Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.
@@StockportJambo he's also from the back benches and I couldn't find an example of dishonesty or negligence from him which sadly today is rare
Because that isn't the way our constitution works. You vote for a party to be elected, and that party votes for its own PM, and can replace him/her if needed/required.
Watched the whole debate and no matter who you favour; Tom came across as the most human, honest and rational. I wasn't supporting him beforehand - I am now.
@fab totally. all the press for this leadership race is self congratulatory BS.
@fab. It was an opinion.
Sunak talking about debt and borrowing, conveniently forgetting he's the one who incurred a huge amount of that debt.
context matters. every chancellor in recorded history would’ve borrowed in those circumstances.
He shouldn’t have done furlough?
He also forgets he was the one in charge before inflation hits high
@@cjinaus02 true but any chancellor who knew what they were doing wouldn’t have borrowed nearly as much. Also there’s the small fact that he’s wasted billions giving contracts to his mates and other Tory donors
@@cjinaus02 Every other chancellor would have understood that if you pump billions into the economy (loaned or not) then inflation will follow if you don't take some of it out again somewhere. The answer was to tax companies and high worth individuals at a slightly higher rate but he would never do that.
The fact that boris’ closest buddies are the front runners show the party hasn’t changed at all or think boris was in the wrong, if the uk voters mess up the next general election then there’s no hope
In two hours you only had one like before adding mine, I see no change coming any time soon
@@user-tj2bz4bd7g what?
Another election where I vote for the party I'm the least disillusioned with
@@greenery8434 I expected more people to have agreed with you
A few more have since then
They're not telling us what we want to hear. Like "We're all resigning now and we're going to pay the tax we should rather than sending it offshore, and report ourselves to the police for our corrupt contract provisioning"
Rishi was very "I did this..." "Look what I did" spare the people the narcissism and talk more about what the party will do to change because what the Tory front runners don't seem to realise is that party system doesn't work for YOU. It works for the people. And him of all people talking about honesty is hilarious 😂
Какое у него гражданство? Если человек у которого интерес совсем другой, веть видно что он не заинтересован в развитие своей страны. Чего тут не понятно, и сам не гам и другим не дам.
@@ZOV.ru2022 He is British and was born in Southampton
He was the chancellor of the Exchequer. IT WAS HIS JOB!!!! he has the final say what happens with our economy.
@@DenisBobrovnikov he's a foreigner so is Johnson why don't we have more native brits in office not more foreign trash
Who dug up Thatcher
Thatcher bow. Well spotted!
If only we could be so lucky as to have Maggie back at the helm. No lockdown, no gender madness and someone that put Britain first (regardless of your feelings for her policies that isn't in doubt).
Uk excess deaths is being ignored 🆘
They’re dead, they can’t pay tax, why would the Tories care about anybody that can’t pay tax?
@@ascgazz I’ll simplify it for you …. When a population goes down to fast it affects the economy and there’s less ppl to pay taxes in which affects governments profits 👍🏽
How many excess deaths have there been?
@@philbarnes6678 it’s been going on for awhile now. But 1300 excess deaths as they call it just this week 💡. And they cannot figure why 💡. They say it’s not from covid but an excess way above normal ppl just dying . You can only find a couple articles on it because they seem to want to stuff it under a blanket .
Phil Barnes. Around 16% non-Covid excess deaths in last few months in UK. Happening in other countries too. That's massive. Check out Dr John Campbell on CZcams.
"...and you told me because the boss wanted it"
Got em!
Why are they talking about borrowing when they can just increase tax in the corporations and multi million and billionaires? Oh, they won't do that to their cronies.
Their £B'er neoliberal chummies wouldnt allow it...
Because if you increase tax on business they go somewhere else it's really that simple
@@MazeCapital You're really that simple if you still believe that old twaddle. It's a claim discredited over and over again. Business will always choose some profit over no profit.
Just cut out the loopholes and enforce the rules fairly on multinationals paying peanuts.
@@englishsteve1465 but lots of profit is preferible to some profit. Therefore they will move to a different country.
I think it’s hilarious that for years and years the Conservatives were telling us how fractured, divided and utterly broken the Labour Party is…
THEN THEY PUT THIS FARCE ON SHOW 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Starmer: a vacant man in a vacant suit and who is obsessed with BJ and flipflops about the EU.
Chaos with Ed Miliband!
yes they are both broken
Labour = cse protection racket.
Don't be mistaken, the Guardian has conveniently cut out most of their answers to these questions. Go watch the full thing, I found each candidate's full uncut responses fantastic.
Kemi and Tom gave excellent answers. Therefore, they're unlikely to make the final ballot. It's Sod's Law on steroids, every time there is a leadership election in the Conservative Party.
Tom Tugenhadt killed it. Came across as the best person for the job for me
which is exactly why he won't win; the people voting are Tory MPs.
Had it been the general public or even Tory membership voting, he would've done better.
I don't even know why they are even doing this debate if the citizens can not vote in the next round
@@SirSX3 Window dressing.
I'm just wondering which Tory MPs are the camp window dressers
fishi rishi telling the usual LIES along with the same bluff & bluster that his boss (johnson) used many times.
HE really is a disgraceful operator.
Based on this video I would only support the first and last contenders - the others at the center only seem a continuation of what we have already seen.
tom tughimself is a signed up WEF member and as such takes his orders from klaus schwab and not the electorate
@@rumples2698 Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@GooseDave scary and annoying isn't it ?
What you support does not matter
@@HereMoya 😂
Sunak broke the law. They all enabled BJ. Should go to the country.
no he was worse than Boris. Chancellor involved in Tax Scandal. Old Boris had his faults but he never reached those heights
He also 'lost" £11 billion of our money. That would have been your deserved nurses pay rise right there, with change left over. Great guy! 🙄
Airing this debate is pointless, since we the public don't actually get to choose which one we want as leader. Politics in this country is a farce and its getting worse year by year
‘You said the Boss wanted it’....This is the reason why BJ chose him... He is a follower, not a leader..
This is like watching an episode of the apprentice after the candidates have completed a task, and they've been called into the board room. They all sound like they're on the losing team, and selfishly fighting tooth and nail through vitriolic attack, to undermine who they believe let the team down. We just need Sir Alan to make an appearance, pointing that now infamous, accusatory digit in the direction of the weakest link, and utter those immortal words.
Pointless debate , 2 options picked by a corrupt government , then conservatives only get to pick. I find the debates insulting trying to give the delusion of choice
Exactly. The WEF will decide
The only one up there that would allow for a clean start is Tom Tugendhat, but the best thing for that fresh start is electing a different party
Totally.
@@ellentronicmistress4969 Yeah but the trouble is- nobody (or at least the majority in their right mind) want labour and Starmer so what alternatives are there
will you be happy if we joined back with the EU?
@@villainofthepiste8275 polls say different. Latest gives Labour a majority government
@@randomdaveUK personally I don't care how bad the Tories are, I can't see Labour getting in
Liz Truss, proof that special needs isn't necessarily a barrier.
Lol.
Harsh but fair
if you take away Liz Truss's unneccasary involvement in the conflict in Ukraine she is actually better than the other candidates.
@@gordonwilkinson5041 she literally throws stuff out her mouth, and mostly she has no idea what she said…
She is a lunatic, and a threat to the global security.
@@gordonwilkinson5041 You don't know enough about her then. She's so utterly gormless and incompetent it's both inspiring and shocking. She literally did Oxford PPE, she should be a well polished politician yet she's horrendous. It's inspiring because as the guy commented, she's borderline disabled.
There were four TURNIPS and Tom Tugenhat
Wow, I can't wait to do this again in another 3 years. Let's go round in circles forever.
If any of these where caught and fine for the party's they had they should not be leader of the party simples as that.
Rishi Sunak was actually fined over partygate.
Why are they having a public debate when the public isn’t actually going to vote?
you are smartest here so far, because this is show for public. Whole media is just circus and show. Everyone playing their own part. Truman show if you will, which i collapsing luckily
It’s like watching children fight over a spade in a sandpit
The most well known ones here are the most indirect their answers….
probably because they know the realities of governing. The others are dreamers
Kemi disrespecting herself publically is disgusting
Nigeria need not be mentioned in this debate and using it as a play to show how she knows about poverty makes her look like she has not got the level of self respect she would need to defend herself properly against true scrutiny from the Nigerian British and Black British communitys
Kemi and Tom came out best. The only two that can promise any sort of change. She gets my vote. Sunak is too smooth, but 0:57 his face when Tom called out Rishi on pretending it was his idea to give money on NHS!
Do you get to vote?
@@StockportJambo certainly... I mean not on this but I get to vote on if I'm driving tonight or the Mrs... she gets two votes though apparently...
@@AthelstanEngland We are all equal - but some are more equal than others. 🤣
Funny that those two are from total opposite sides of the party. Kemi the swivel eyed ERG loon and Tom............................well he's at least rational and cares about policy and a future other than his own.
Kemi wants to reduce the size of the state. That means a reduction in public services.
For a second I thought that screencap was from Jeopardy
Not sure why this is being televised as if we are approaching some kind of general election. The final two candidates will be chosen by the 350 odd PP Cons, and which one of those two becomes Party Leader, and PM, will be chosen by the 100K Con party members. The all important will of the people has no part in this.
Tom T ended the debate as the only one I would trust, unfortunately he would have to form a cabinet from the rest who are a shower!
It's like being shown a basket full of rot apples and then asking you to eat one.
Sorry but Badenoch and Tugendhat are most decidedly NOT "rot [sic] apples".
Well done Tom... typically cannot answer a sample question, politics should be about looking after those who voted not their chums
Разве о тех кто именно проголосовал? Веть лидер страны должен заботится о всех граждан своей страны.
Kemi comes across as the most honest person here
It's not exactly a high bar being set.
@@StockportJambo true 🤣
If only she wasn’t a bigot
She is BY FAR!!
She is a disgrace, a coconut … playing to the xenophobes again and anti immigrant rhetoric. A total disgrace
This gender topic doesn't need to be brought up at all... Doesn't effect my standard of living... Government policies effect my standard of living... Let a person be who they want to be
No one cares if men want to be women and visa vera in this country. This is an American thing! It doesn't need to be here.
@@elizabeth6954 explain
@@elizabeth6954 What's the current government policy on gender? We have laws regarding equality for race , gender and religion. Some people in the media and people with political ambitions like to stoke up trouble to keep us divided so they can carry on being corrupt themselves... Are you easily gas lighted? 😉
@@elizabeth6954 In that case, what you've said is completely meaningless. You need to work on your communications skills.
@@elizabeth6954 You are unable to find evidence or construct any kind of argument. You don't even explain what you are talking about. Thus, what you are saying is meaningless, mainly because you're failing to engage your brain in conveying information, for whatever reason.
To think...one of these monsters is our next Prime Minister. Makes me shudder.
First answer honest last answer honest and Liz and Richie’s answer deeply alarming
Erm....I'm sorry, but the energy sector hasn't suddenly imploded due to a green levy! It's purely down to privitisation, huge profits that were never reinvested back in to the sector and a calamity of mismanagement!
Can we please get that fact checked, that one of the reasons of soaring energy prices is down to the green levy?
Anyone but Rushi. Snake in the grass.
I felt a chill in my spine when he said there was no Covid death, death is death
@@earlgrey6275 he said Covid debt, not death
To be honest apart from kemi and Rishi all have no clue whatsoever. Yeah Tom did make a little sense.
I am just a normal guy and to me, none of these people will be able to make a difference to our country's problems, as for Rishi he has completely the wrong ideas to help anyone his record in no11 proves that.
Let us find the narrow gate and then follow the difficult and little travelled path that leads to everlasting life. 🙏
Watching this is so, so depressing for the future.
I like the ex soldier
Which one?
I think I just caught the hebeegebees from watching this
'COVID is a one in hundred year event' not according to Klaus and Mr Gates. Keep up Tories!
Feel this was more like putting a camera in a nursery and asking the kids the question of how do we get out of this economic nightmare. Sorry, thinking about it we may have heard an honest answer from the kids.
Anyone else hate that weak fist thumb thing that these people got told was authority but not aggressive. First sign to me, of someone I shouldn't believe
Two years time can't come quick enough!
I'm sure there will be a GE before then
Don't want any of these weasels running a bath nevermind our country 😒
Tom T smashed it.
Why thank you! Not sure what I did but I'll take the credit.
There’s not one candidate there that could win a general election, especially that sunak character
I think Kemi could.
Rishi Sunak is a banker-ceo type of guy. So that’s what you will get if you elect him. Rishi is going to lean on his former employer like Goldman Sachs to guide his policies. And Bankers have this not so great philosophy: keep the profits, socialize the losses. It is important that the voters realize exactly who they are voting for and how their background and policies will influence their day-to-day living. But given the excessive dominance of money in western politics, I am sure the next UK PM would be also about transferring more wealth to the already rich. The UK and US are two countries where this transfer can no longer be reversed, as the rich own the country, justice system and the parliament.
This 💯
Can't we have someone normal
Tom is the best of a horrific set of choices. Sunak and Truss just no...
Sunak - Indian tony Blair
Sounds like him, doesn't he.
Every one a fruit and nut case.
Dddddddddddaredum!
The question ducking is hilarious
Richey, you are as honest as Boris. You are in Politics for money and power.
Wouldn't trust anyone of these buggers!
Let’s just have a general election instead!
I’ve had enough of this party’s antics, lies, lockdown parties, dramas within the conservatives etc etc
We need the public now to decide who we want as our government
they did decide. and they chose the tories. plus labour is the only other option and they have no chance because no matter how bad the tories are, labour are an even bigger joke. just look at their conferences for example.
The public did decide, they chose a government led by Boris Johnson. The media decided to get him out.
@@elkpaz560 The publics opinions have changed
@@officialteaincorporated243 How do we know without a fair election?
Truss, stating her loyalty to BoJo. You're supposed to be loyal to the UK people, not a public school boy born with a silver spoon in his gob.
Is Channel 4 going to be privatised yes or no yes of course
Not one said yes Or a simple no it’s always avoiding a simple answer that a 5 year old should understand
"Tom Tugendhat, Is Boris Johnson honest?" ...."No"
well done tom, clearly the best candidate there
Truss saying that working people shouldn't be paying the covid debt. Why u dropping be corporation tax then. Johnson gave those covid contracts to his corporate friends and now we're paying for it.
Tom is who we need, but who we won't get at all. Conservatives will get what they deserve come the next general election
The narrative is already set, look how much footage they're giving Rishi.
This is the guardian.... How many Conservative party members do you think read the guardian lol!
We are all doomed... it’s BoJo all over again! in disguise?
Basically, yes.
They're all the same, and the same people who picked Boris as their man will pick the next one. Don't expect anything better. It may even be slightly worse.
@@StockportJambo *shudders
@@ellentronicmistress4969 2024 can't come soon enough.
Was Rishi standing on a box? He's like 4'9", and yet he looks only slightly shorter than the women who are 5 foot tall here. Very noticeable that he was the only candidate whose feet we never saw...
We must never, ever, have a prime minister who's shorter than Macron. We look ridiculous enough already on the international stage without that humiliation.
@@nickmiller76 how??
I have been listening to Angela Rayner on LBC radio and what a delightful person she is. Caring and down to earth, so different from most politicians i have heard.
So much for real decision making, how easy to end green levies during the heat wave.
Did Truss come dressed as Lady Penelope. Because I thought she was part of International Rescue when she spoke.
0:50 LOL
Lots of 'Air Drums' going on nowadays with Foliticians when they speak!?
Well pointed out by Matt Green in one of his recent documentaries.
Truss is absolutely dreadful, the rest are OK.
It's time for Tom.
Why is this even on TV? It's not like the public gets a say in the vote, so why bother televising it?
who remembers democracy?
Oh dear. No wonder Tom appears the best candidate.
Question 1 - "Do you think the WEF has too much influence in UK Politics?
Question 2 "What are your links to the WEF?
.....then go from there
Absolutely spot on 👏👍
It should be obvious to all that to get a clean break from Johnson we need a general election. Anything else will allow the stench of his administration to linger and taint any new government.
why was this even broadcast to an electorate that have no say in the choice, what a total waste of time.
We get a choice in two years time though.
I'll be furious if Rishi ends up PM
UK will be finished
He’s the most likely to get it in my opinion. All roads lead to more lies
Where is the gravitas, where are the qualities of leadership? Why apart from the economy, are all the worrying issues facing England not addressed? This bunch just look like more of the same. Heaven help England!
Is Boris Johnson honest?
Short answer, no.
Long answer, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
The Prime Minister has resigned... So why aren't we having a General Election? It's something I ask myself every time a PM quits.
Because we vote for a party, not a prime minister.
did truss just say covid was a1/100 yeare evenbt she is deluded.. Kemi is the only sane choice here we have one chance to get it right
Why are there so many horrid women in the Tory party. Patel and Badenoch . Please don't let Liz Truss aka the corncrake win. Her voice just grates. (I know!!!!) Linda
Truss thinks she's Thatcher - what a joke. Her outfit was the same as Thatcher wore in a 1979 election broadcast.
you're right--disturbing on many levels
Pork markets.
@@StockportJambo lol - just seen that.
Not sure why we need TV debates on a leadership contest the public have no say in.