Dont neglect the Argument From Blitherring Idiocy. It spreads from Leftist humanities depts to drunks in bars. And also the Argument From Trunp. Also the Argument From Kamala. Logic!
This is ultimately a scientific question. If male and female brains (or brain function) can be distinguished from each other, it should be possible to do research with transsexuals to discover if their brains are consistent with their genitals or if there is some basis for thinking that their gender dysphoria has a basis in their biology. This is another scientific issue that has unfortunately become politicized.
> This is ultimately a scientific question. Science as understood within which philosophy? There are, of course, scientific questions. But your claim could mean an uncritical acceptance of the arbitrary and conventional. And, by amazing coincidence, mainstream modern (or contemporary philosophers just happen to claim that knowledge is arbitrary and conventional, not objective. My point is that all knowledge is basically philosophical. Thus advocating science without philosophy could be a method of sneaking in a philosophy without identification.
@@TeaParty1776 I'm not suggesting that science exists without philosophy, but some people try to have philosophy without science. So, I mean that science is the fundamental requirement here. Yes, have an objective epistemology, but do the science. These questions can ONLY be objectively dealt with that way.
Unfortunately you have it backwards. Philosophy underlies science. If your philosophy holds that your feelings and whims dictate reality, then you're supposed science will reflect it. Whether it's transgenderism or quantum field theory. The overwhelming majority of Western scientists are not objective. They are whim worshiping collectivistic group think second-handed seekers. And the handful of actual scientists out there are pushed out of government granted subsidies for research because their ideas and conclusions do not align with what's politically acceptable. How you think of the world comes first. What you do with the world, whether it's scientific or mystical, come second.
@@Eudaimonist Agreed, philosophy is only about fundamentals abstracted from common human experience, w/no specialized knowledge. Man knew about motion and falling (gravity) long before Newton used science to measure them. Newton was necessary to build motors. Philosophy alone, as Greece shows, is insufficient for science. Aristotle, who discovered scientific method, also was the first scientist. See his biological writings. Thus the importance of the 17th century Sci Rev (based on Newtons mathematical physics based on Bacons induction, itself based on Aristotle.
I was raised in a house with a lesbian grandmother and lesbian aunt plus their girlfriends in Los Angeles in the 1980’s. They were catholic but not super strict obviously. All they told me was to never let anyone tell you what to do or how ti think. I did exactly that. I had a wide bandwidth for unlimited channels of choice. I dated both men and women. I searched within a variety of religious beliefs. Different styles of dress. Education of various subjects. I love all cultures. All music. (Except Rap I feel it’s focused on materialism) My point is I was able to experience everything I wanted but at the end of the day I was able to change and move on to something else. THAT IS FREEDOM. Being able to progress and keep what you need to but bury the disappointments and MOVE ON with ZERO EVIDENCE IT EVER HAPPENED. It was never anyone’s business. My secrets for me to keep or share. CHANGING THE BODY of a CHILD is a PERMANENT SCARRING PHYSICAL MODIFICATION that they will not be able to hide so easily. My grandmother would have never allowed me to do something like that. She would have strangled my mother if my mother would have allowed me to decide to change something so permanent. When you love someone you think of how it affects them presently and in the future if something goes wrong. That is how you know someone loves you. Every human being allowing a child to go through transition should just openly admit they are worshipping a deity and the child is a casualty of this pledge they are making to obtain something that is worth more to them than our first pledge made before being born which is a pledge to honor and never do anything to PERMANENTLY and INTENTIONALLY OBSTRUCT OR LIMIT ANOTHER HUMANS RIGHT TO REBALANCE. Meaning go back or forward as they choose. A sex change is forever. How dare anyone who thinks a child should permanently change something so crucial to healing & balance.
i've met some trans people, these 2 seem like they want to talk about a topic they know next to nothing about, didnt even take time to talk to trans persons or trans therapists. the mention of brain scans i've read about, also theres is indication of possible genome identifier - i believe there is ongoing research on this. thinking logically about it one might conclude there could be issue with fetus development in the womb or early life experiences as causes. I thought logic was supposed to be a cornerstone of Ayn Rand, yet this presents as biased opinions discussed in ways to avoid being blatant the mentions of scientific methods being used in medicine is probably well-meaning its also demonstrating misunderstanding of many of the 'science based' claims made over the years that were opinions, based on bad science, used selective data subsets, theories, etc. dietary Fat and cholesterol are 2 easy ones, we could expend on that by including low serotonin (recently disproven) as being cause of depression when its more likely to be inflammation in body and/or diet - i know tis cause i read a very dry books on the topic written by real life doctors w/o an agenda you 2 should do another video after talking to some people in trans community and those that treat them. one more thing: the movement didnt start until the manufactured moral outrage by right wing commentators or politicians decided gay people are no longer a good wedge issue for elections
It's dishonest to suggest the Matt Walsh type conservative response to Queer ideology is based in mysticism the same way Queer ideology itself is based in mysticism. It is a red herring to conflate Matt Walsh's method of critiquing trans ideology with his own views on gender roles, same sex marriage, and so on (not the same topic). The Daily Wire and PragerU type Conservatives haven't simply used ad hominem and argument from intimidation to push back against this ideology. You mentioned Kathleen Stock's book. You made no mention of Walsh's book on the topic. Walsh went out of his way to try to talk to trans and queer activists, who never seem interested in an open dialogue. Conservatives stood up to protect children against chemical castration when ARI intellectual Greg Salmieri, who contributed to a course on how to be an objective consumer of science, made completely unscientific remarks in its defense. Why is ARI so scared of ever giving conservatives any credit?
@@abanger in his question period of his talk titled Reproduction and the Objectivist Ethics.. 1:22:00 or so.. My comment was out of memory, I haven't gone back to get his exact words again but he said something along the lines of parents can get their children "gender affirming care" if they so choose. Considering the objective irreversible harm this does to children, I find his views to be unscientific. You can make your own mind about it though.
@@YashArya01 His view sounded a bit more nuanced in the clip you're referencing, but I wouldn't be surprised given how every ARI intellectual has lost the scientific plot since COVID
>Conservatives stood up to protect children against chemical castration when ARI intellectual Greg Salmieri, who contributed to a course on how to be an objective consumer of science, made completely unscientific remarks in its defense. That contradicts everything Ive read by him. You need some serious evidence.
The reason people say JK Rowling doesn't care about the bullying/harassment and prejudice against trans people isn't because of her position on gender. It's because she actively participates in the bullying and harassment of trans people and promotes that prejudice. Just look at how she promoted bullying of trans women who merely carried the torch at some point during the Olympics opening ceremony. There was nothing more to the situation than that some couple of the people in the large group who carried the torch at various times were trans, and she encouraged her large audience to participate in publicly mocking them.
@@DoronTauber Watch literally anyone on this topic, they're better. At least most people discuss definitions of man, woman, and gender first or at some point during the analysis.
I think he's doing well. Even if you think there are hiccups, recognize that it's a delicate subject and includes the pressure of being recorded forever and live without edits.
No definition of man, woman, gender or transgender. Discussion goes absolutely nowhere and covers nothing important. ARI has never said anything about this brainwashing in schools, hasn't spoken out about allowing 13 year olds to start permanent sterilization treatment without parental consent, etc. Nobody goes to ARI for anything anymore because their coverage of everything is poor except supreme court decisions.
I find it worth persisting with his way of talking, even thought it can be a bit halting in delivery. There is a lot of value from both speakers here, in my view.
People who call other people transphobic are often transphanatics.
Logicphobic.
From what I have seen so far, the main argument used by these activists was what Rand called "the argument from intimidation".
Dont neglect the Argument From Blitherring Idiocy. It spreads from Leftist humanities depts to drunks in bars. And also the Argument From Trunp. Also the Argument From Kamala. Logic!
The "brain in the wrong body" belief is 10+ years out of date. It's gotten much more untethered since then.
My brain should have been in a weightlifters body. Trumps brain, on the other hand, is in the right body.
@@TeaParty1776😂
That tracks.
I thought this was clarifying, thoughtful, and benevolent.
I wonder if there are elements of technocracy and eugenics underlying the movement.
Ayn Rand if she saw this , she would say it’s communism. What happen to America ….
This is ultimately a scientific question. If male and female brains (or brain function) can be distinguished from each other, it should be possible to do research with transsexuals to discover if their brains are consistent with their genitals or if there is some basis for thinking that their gender dysphoria has a basis in their biology. This is another scientific issue that has unfortunately become politicized.
yeah they did those studies. trans people have brains that are physically different from cis people
> This is ultimately a scientific question.
Science as understood within which philosophy? There are, of course, scientific questions. But your claim could mean an uncritical acceptance of the arbitrary and conventional. And, by amazing coincidence, mainstream modern (or contemporary philosophers just happen to claim that knowledge is arbitrary and conventional, not objective. My point is that all knowledge is basically philosophical. Thus advocating science without philosophy could be a method of sneaking in a philosophy without identification.
@@TeaParty1776 I'm not suggesting that science exists without philosophy, but some people try to have philosophy without science.
So, I mean that science is the fundamental requirement here. Yes, have an objective epistemology, but do the science. These questions can ONLY be objectively dealt with that way.
Unfortunately you have it backwards. Philosophy underlies science.
If your philosophy holds that your feelings and whims dictate reality, then you're supposed science will reflect it. Whether it's transgenderism or quantum field theory.
The overwhelming majority of Western scientists are not objective. They are whim worshiping collectivistic group think second-handed seekers.
And the handful of actual scientists out there are pushed out of government granted subsidies for research because their ideas and conclusions do not align with what's politically acceptable.
How you think of the world comes first. What you do with the world, whether it's scientific or mystical, come second.
@@Eudaimonist Agreed, philosophy is only about fundamentals abstracted from common human experience, w/no specialized knowledge. Man knew about motion and falling (gravity) long before Newton used science to measure them. Newton was necessary to build motors. Philosophy alone, as Greece shows, is insufficient for science. Aristotle, who discovered scientific method, also was the first scientist. See his biological writings. Thus the importance of the 17th century Sci Rev (based on Newtons mathematical physics based on Bacons induction, itself based on Aristotle.
I was raised in a house with a lesbian grandmother and lesbian aunt plus their girlfriends in Los Angeles in the 1980’s. They were catholic but not super strict obviously. All they told me was to never let anyone tell you what to do or how ti think. I did exactly that. I had a wide bandwidth for unlimited channels of choice. I dated both men and women. I searched within a variety of religious beliefs. Different styles of dress. Education of various subjects. I love all cultures. All music. (Except Rap I feel it’s focused on materialism)
My point is I was able to experience everything I wanted but at the end of the day I was able to change and move on to something else. THAT IS FREEDOM. Being able to progress and keep what you need to but bury the disappointments and MOVE ON with ZERO EVIDENCE IT EVER HAPPENED. It was never anyone’s business. My secrets for me to keep or share. CHANGING THE BODY of a CHILD is a PERMANENT SCARRING PHYSICAL MODIFICATION that they will not be able to hide so easily. My grandmother would have never allowed me to do something like that. She would have strangled my mother if my mother would have allowed me to decide to change something so permanent. When you love someone you think of how it affects them presently and in the future if something goes wrong. That is how you know someone loves you. Every human being allowing a child to go through transition should just openly admit they are worshipping a deity and the child is a casualty of this pledge they are making to obtain something that is worth more to them than our first pledge made before being born which is a pledge to honor and never do anything to PERMANENTLY and INTENTIONALLY OBSTRUCT OR LIMIT ANOTHER HUMANS RIGHT TO REBALANCE. Meaning go back or forward as they choose. A sex change is forever. How dare anyone who thinks a child should permanently change something so crucial to healing & balance.
How you approach an issue is more important than the conclusion you come to.
Evasion and dishonesty hurt the mind. Honest error does not.
There's always some hidden agender 🤔
i've met some trans people, these 2 seem like they want to talk about a topic they know next to nothing about, didnt even take time to talk to trans persons or trans therapists.
the mention of brain scans i've read about, also theres is indication of possible genome identifier - i believe there is ongoing research on this. thinking logically about it one might conclude there could be issue with fetus development in the womb or early life experiences as causes. I thought logic was supposed to be a cornerstone of Ayn Rand, yet this presents as biased opinions discussed in ways to avoid being blatant
the mentions of scientific methods being used in medicine is probably well-meaning its also demonstrating misunderstanding of many of the 'science based' claims made over the years that were opinions, based on bad science, used selective data subsets, theories, etc. dietary Fat and cholesterol are 2 easy ones, we could expend on that by including low serotonin (recently disproven) as being cause of depression when its more likely to be inflammation in body and/or diet - i know tis cause i read a very dry books on the topic written by real life doctors w/o an agenda
you 2 should do another video after talking to some people in trans community and those that treat them.
one more thing: the movement didnt start until the manufactured moral outrage by right wing commentators or politicians decided gay people are no longer a good wedge issue for elections
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movement? its just a bunch of angry dudes 🤷♂
Like the right
It's dishonest to suggest the Matt Walsh type conservative response to Queer ideology is based in mysticism the same way Queer ideology itself is based in mysticism.
It is a red herring to conflate Matt Walsh's method of critiquing trans ideology with his own views on gender roles, same sex marriage, and so on (not the same topic).
The Daily Wire and PragerU type Conservatives haven't simply used ad hominem and argument from intimidation to push back against this ideology.
You mentioned Kathleen Stock's book. You made no mention of Walsh's book on the topic.
Walsh went out of his way to try to talk to trans and queer activists, who never seem interested in an open dialogue.
Conservatives stood up to protect children against chemical castration when ARI intellectual Greg Salmieri, who contributed to a course on how to be an objective consumer of science, made completely unscientific remarks in its defense.
Why is ARI so scared of ever giving conservatives any credit?
Where can I find Greg's remarks?
@@abanger in his question period of his talk titled Reproduction and the Objectivist Ethics.. 1:22:00 or so.. My comment was out of memory, I haven't gone back to get his exact words again but he said something along the lines of parents can get their children "gender affirming care" if they so choose. Considering the objective irreversible harm this does to children, I find his views to be unscientific. You can make your own mind about it though.
@@YashArya01 His view sounded a bit more nuanced in the clip you're referencing, but I wouldn't be surprised given how every ARI intellectual has lost the scientific plot since COVID
>Conservatives stood up to protect children against chemical castration when ARI intellectual Greg Salmieri, who contributed to a course on how to be an objective consumer of science, made completely unscientific remarks in its defense.
That contradicts everything Ive read by him. You need some serious evidence.
Happily 3rd🙂
The reason people say JK Rowling doesn't care about the bullying/harassment and prejudice against trans people isn't because of her position on gender. It's because she actively participates in the bullying and harassment of trans people and promotes that prejudice.
Just look at how she promoted bullying of trans women who merely carried the torch at some point during the Olympics opening ceremony. There was nothing more to the situation than that some couple of the people in the large group who carried the torch at various times were trans, and she encouraged her large audience to participate in publicly mocking them.
Nobody cares about the author of a children's book and even fewer people care about your post or your obsession with her, lmao
@@JohnMcAfee-se9ms did you watch the video...? they make this remark at the end
@@DoronTauber They are losers to care about this woman's tweets. They did a very poor video on this topic in general.
@@JohnMcAfee-se9ms I'll eagerly await yours then :)
@@DoronTauber Watch literally anyone on this topic, they're better. At least most people discuss definitions of man, woman, and gender first or at some point during the analysis.
What is a woman?
Thatss a song lyric, right?
you might have comment section confused with The Google
First !!!!!
Get off the drugs,
Mike Mazza !! By the time your thoughts get together to make a sentence or two, I am fading fast asleep !!
Good grief dude?! 😹
I think he's doing well. Even if you think there are hiccups, recognize that it's a delicate subject and includes the pressure of being recorded forever and live without edits.
No definition of man, woman, gender or transgender. Discussion goes absolutely nowhere and covers nothing important.
ARI has never said anything about this brainwashing in schools, hasn't spoken out about allowing 13 year olds to start permanent sterilization treatment without parental consent, etc.
Nobody goes to ARI for anything anymore because their coverage of everything is poor except supreme court decisions.
That's not true. This had transitional edits throughout it. I don't know how much chopping was done though@@diegomorales8616
Maybe try to focus your mind. Im sure its difficult for you but just give it a try.
I find it worth persisting with his way of talking, even thought it can be a bit halting in delivery. There is a lot of value from both speakers here, in my view.
Don’t have a conversation about trans activists without a trans person’s input. What’s wrong with you
They ate objectivists, they don't believe in standpoint epistemology.
Wouldn’t want anyone to have a thought without getting it approved first.
Bait
Watch the video fully. Anybody can discuss the ideas of a movement without being a part of that movement. Answer their arguments if you disagree.
Then don't take drugs not designed by trans people.