CRT VS LCD - Sony PVM Trinitron & LMD Face-off! | Retro Tech

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  • čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
  • This is the showdown between the restored Sony PVM LMD 1420 Professional LCD Monitor and the Sony PVM CRT format Monitors. We will be featuring a Sony PVM 1350, 14M4U and the 8041Q.
    For more information on repairs, diagnostics and to connect with me, please visit: / retrotechusa
    Sony PVM LMD 1420 Restoration Series
    Part 1: • Sony's LCD PVM! | LMD ...
    Part 2: • The Sony LCD PVM Lives...
    Lag testing Stream: • Lag testing that LCD P...
    240P Test Suite Website: junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?ti...
    #retro #lcd #crt
    0:00 - The Sony PVM Showdown: CRT versus the LCD
    0:35 - The hardware used to setup the Test
    3:40 - Hooking up the LCD and CRT into a video loop
    6:02 - The showdown begins with Contra Hard Corps in 240p
    7:45 - Comparing things in the 240p Test Suite
    10:11 - Comparing the 480i image with the PS2 & Lord of the Rings
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Komentáře • 107

  • @RetroTechUSA
    @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety +15

    Hey everyone. Thanks for watching. The video is segmented in case you want to skip straight to the action.
    In addition, I have some links in the description if you are looking for more information. For more information on repairs, diagnostics and to connect with me, please visit: www.patreon.com/retrotechUSA
    CRTs reign Supreme!

    • @SamsungS-or1qf
      @SamsungS-or1qf Před 2 lety +1

      Too bad you didn't use 14L5/20L5 which is latest generation crt, that would be more fair :). Also dim the lights next time, too much glare from the CRT to make a good comparison. Thanks for the cool video!

    • @2kBofFun
      @2kBofFun Před 3 měsíci +1

      I challenge you to put it against a Viera or a Sony CCFL wide gamut Bravia. These early LCD screens were horrible.

  • @johnathanpearson3203
    @johnathanpearson3203 Před 2 lety +32

    I'm still using a CRT monitor. 👍 With GPU prices a 980ti at 1280x1024 means I can ride it out for a while longer 👍

    • @themmmeanone
      @themmmeanone Před rokem +4

      I use a CRT monitor for modern games too and I’d say at least go with 1440x1080. Your card can do it and more detail is still more.

    • @johnathanpearson3203
      @johnathanpearson3203 Před rokem +3

      @@themmmeanone I'll see if my monitor can do it. 85fps locked all day long on 1280 X 1024. If only they made an OLED that did not suffer motion blur without needing 240htz 🥺

  • @LunamosGaming
    @LunamosGaming Před 2 lety +36

    Nice comparison. One thing I like about early 640x480 LCDs is the ability to display pixel-perfect 480p VGA contents (maybe not this particular LMD but many others can), especially PC games and entertainment software from the late DOS and early Windows period. The sharpness and detail created by those giant pixels are just so pleasing.
    It reminds me that plasma TV had many advantages over early LCDs in the making of 480p EDTV for gaming. I was wondering if you’ll be interested in reviewing a 480p plasma TV, especially the famous 4:3 pioneer pdp v402. It’ll be very interesting to see some comparison between a CRT and a plasma EDTV.

    • @Finakechi
      @Finakechi Před 2 lety +3

      The lag on them is a non-issue for a lot of games too.
      Obviously difficult platformers or fighting games are not a great idea to be played on them, but something like most JRPGs would not be a problem.

    • @2kBofFun
      @2kBofFun Před 10 měsíci

      Are there so many 480x640 games? In my perception, PC games were either 320x200 for DOS, and thus with non-square pixels, or they were flex-resolution. So you can just set the system resolution to be half of the screen resolution. So with a 1600x1200 LCD, which have by far the best 4:3 panels, do great as 800x600 screens for early PC/Mac stuff. Even with black bars the 4:3 1600x1200 LCD's outperform all lower res panels, especially 1280x1024 were junk when it comes to IQ, and 640x480 never had proper IPS/VA panels either.

  • @WhatAboutZoidberg
    @WhatAboutZoidberg Před 2 lety +20

    Would probably be a great monitor to watch VHS and old 4:3 movies on. That refresh blur might help the video in certain scenes.

    • @RetroTechUSA
      @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety +8

      Yeah and the lag won't matter. That's a great point.

    • @vertujoe2886
      @vertujoe2886 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm not sure if it's a good idea.
      Because the vhs tapes are designed to be played on a CRT display.
      Due to the imperfection of tape and the mechanism. The sync signal from vhs tape are not as stable as cable or game consoles. This has minor impact for CRT displays, but not as indistinguishable for LCD displays which basically requires a stable signal to work properly.

  • @deckofcards87
    @deckofcards87 Před rokem +7

    The "glow" effect is what I really miss from my old trinitron crt. Games looked super bright and vibrant on it.

  • @PhilWaylon
    @PhilWaylon Před 2 lety +7

    I feel better with the CRT because it brings me be back to the good ol days. Plus we love our light gun games. Great video Steve 💯

  • @Gimel2
    @Gimel2 Před rokem

    That Thunderstrike BGM really throws me back...
    Thank you for that!

  • @rwdplz1
    @rwdplz1 Před 2 lety +2

    This is what early LCD computer monitors looked like in the mid-late 2000's, I told people I preferred CRT's, they thought I was nuts.

  • @ChrisHollandGuitar
    @ChrisHollandGuitar Před 2 lety

    Great content, as always!

  • @darioolguin894
    @darioolguin894 Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting video, I liked it a lot, greetings from Mendoza, Argentina.

  • @future_Tarzan
    @future_Tarzan Před 2 lety +1

    i use very similar monitors daily , PVM 14m4u and LMD 2110W. Have them chained up to share a component signal but i also use the hdmi on the lmd for a second pc monitor.

  • @djsonic6533
    @djsonic6533 Před 2 lety +1

    I always love the CRT to lcd compare videos

  • @branden7384
    @branden7384 Před rokem +1

    I'd really love to see this comparison again once the CRT's color is refreshed. Still a great comparison

  • @Lachancharinaldi
    @Lachancharinaldi Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for background music. One of the best videogame soundtrack ever.

  • @marvz71
    @marvz71 Před 2 lety +7

    I've been wanting to see a side by side for a while for a high quality LCD like that. A good plasma set really is closest to good old CRT as far as a panel with sharper pic.

  • @Oarguelles
    @Oarguelles Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for the video! I watch all your stuff ! Quick question just picked up a Sony KV-27FS100 model also but I noticed the Initial Setup screen keeps popping up even after I do the Auto Program. Sometimes it'll go away for a while but then will return. Any idea how to fix this? Thank you!

  • @gaber.4007
    @gaber.4007 Před 2 lety

    I'm still keeping mine, the blur is my only problem that bothers me. I tested using my MiSTer. thanks for the video Steve.

  • @Off_Grid_Gaming
    @Off_Grid_Gaming Před 2 lety

    Awesome Video Thanks

  • @davidegalliussi1979
    @davidegalliussi1979 Před 2 lety +3

    excellent technical report I wanted to know if there is lag on the lcd even using the component in 480i/p i play Ps2 at 480p/576p on a 30" Samsung
    PS i like your modded Genesis ☺️

  • @ZezRetro
    @ZezRetro Před 2 lety +1

    That is a fine looking thumbnail!

  • @SP95
    @SP95 Před 2 lety

    Can't you use a modern ips LCD and try again with the rejuvenated PVM ?
    And of course, thanks for your testings so far.

  • @SandRock9984
    @SandRock9984 Před 2 lety

    what do you call that adapter you have on your rgb wires to connect to the tv? I have the same inputs on my CRT but my wires wont plug? Pleas help!

  • @JesusChristcoming2000
    @JesusChristcoming2000 Před 2 lety

    Very cool

  • @jengelenm
    @jengelenm Před 2 lety +1

    I bought 3 PVM’s today! 2x 20M2MDE for 200 and 330 euro, and a 2053MD for 390 euro. Comes with 40% tax and auction fees on top, i didn’t realize that. I bid the 2053MD accidently, so a bit cause i think i overbid that one. Still very happy, thanks for all the great videos!👍👍👍

    • @jengelenm
      @jengelenm Před 2 lety

      “a bit bummed” i meant

    • @RWL2012
      @RWL2012 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jengelenm comments can be edited.

    • @fry3409
      @fry3409 Před 2 lety +1

      for sure 40€ would have been a great price but the site is well know and not like ebay who bid at last second win the auction. there is auction fee, tax on object and tax on fee, its clairy say in auction condition.

    • @fatbelly2438
      @fatbelly2438 Před 2 lety

      i didnt know they where so valuable..i have 2 in the shed and a sony triniton dual input crt monitor.. the 3 of them are all 20 inch...

  • @TVperson1
    @TVperson1 Před rokem

    Does it have a lot of ghosting? I so lots of video tape to USB transfers and was thinking about one of the monitors.

  • @joshforsyth5710
    @joshforsyth5710 Před 2 lety +2

    Use Retroarch with crt scanline shader. Then use run ahead to get rid of input lag, that might make the lcd useful for retro gaming.

  • @YPTKING
    @YPTKING Před rokem

    How can i center the image on my sony lmd 9030? can't find any settings for this. Thanks!

  • @ScottX68000
    @ScottX68000 Před 2 lety +3

    Nice comparison Steve. I've recently jumped down the rabbit hole of professional CRT's, picked up a JVC BM-H1400PNKA and a Panasonic BT-S1015DA. Do they need to be powered off when connecting/disconnecting BNC cables or doesn't it matter?

    • @RetroTechUSA
      @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks. That should have no effect on the monitor so you can do it while on or off.

    • @badreality2
      @badreality2 Před 2 lety

      Make sure you have proper 75 ohm termination.

  • @nerdygamerreview3622
    @nerdygamerreview3622 Před 2 lety +1

    I always liked crt because of the nice glow.

  • @andersonnatal1367
    @andersonnatal1367 Před 2 lety

    Muito bom o vídeo

  • @Moshugaani
    @Moshugaani Před 10 měsíci

    Is the screen really that grey on the CRT PVMs? Does that mean that they can't display any darker images than the base grey?

  • @timramich
    @timramich Před 2 lety +2

    I don't know if the world will ever see a display technology that offers no lag. Anything that's a panel has to be loaded into a buffer first so it can all be drawn in an instant. With a CRT, as soon as the source outputs, the electrons hit the phosphor (but really, it doesn't, it just goes nearly the speed of light, which is imperceptible).

  • @x0j
    @x0j Před 2 lety +1

    u should get one of those bvm e250's(oled), they look pretty pimpin

  • @maniatore2006
    @maniatore2006 Před rokem

    I would always prefer the LCD, no Overscan, no Stripes and geomitie errors.Right Colors, No Highvoltage Failure. Sharp Pictures.

  • @alienfiend9793
    @alienfiend9793 Před 2 lety

    Can you make a video of Sony Pvm 8040 vs 8045..?

  • @alekyap1312
    @alekyap1312 Před 6 měsíci

    What cords would I need to play ps2 on the 8inch one?

  • @odar420
    @odar420 Před 2 lety

    Nice comparison. But I would have liked to see a comparison with a CRT with better color.

  • @julio_official
    @julio_official Před 2 lety

    Does anyone know the music, that is playing at the beginning?

  • @SuperNicktendo
    @SuperNicktendo Před 2 lety

    It's pretty cool. Not for gaming but I would put it in the kitchen, have a raspberry pi hooked up and make it seem like a Retro futuristic smart home piece from the 80s/90s

  • @chiefthunderhorse4430
    @chiefthunderhorse4430 Před 2 lety +3

    I've been doing my own comparisons lately , both Dell
    A Dell M993s 19" 1600x1200 CRT vs a Dell 2007FP 20" 1600x1200 using Retropie, both are great monitors but the Dell CRT looks 100xs better no contest

    • @RetroTechUSA
      @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety +1

      Very cool. Dell did and still does make some good monitors.

  • @matthewsisk
    @matthewsisk Před rokem +1

    CRT is my favorite even if LCD will have perfect geometry

  • @realamericannegro977
    @realamericannegro977 Před 2 lety

    Does this bad PVM still look better than your best consumer CRTs?

  • @Charlie-Cat.
    @Charlie-Cat. Před 2 lety +1

    Great comparison Steve. To me, it will be always CRT units for me.....And Brutus watching the gamplay's bro. 8^)
    Anthony..

  • @DavisMakesGames
    @DavisMakesGames Před 2 lety +3

    I gotta say just from the first frame I already prefer the CRT. Coating on Trinitrons makes them look pretty bad with the lights on though, but with a bit more contrast I'd always take the CRT.

  • @badreality2
    @badreality2 Před 2 lety +2

    Steve: "Next time I will lag test a Pioneer Plasma display!"

    • @RetroTechUSA
      @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety +3

      Close, it's going to be a Hitachi Plasma!

    • @badreality2
      @badreality2 Před 2 lety +1

      @@RetroTechUSA Nice!

    • @CryptoRetroTech
      @CryptoRetroTech Před 2 lety +1

      Pioneer Kuro KRP 500 is the High end , plasma still today , i prefer to play modern system with this Pioneer in 1080P than other screen 4K HDR dolby atmos and other things ,
      Kuro has the real picture natural color , real black , color are not artificial !

    • @2kBofFun
      @2kBofFun Před 10 měsíci

      @@CryptoRetroTech Just found a 42 inch FullHD Panasonic Viera, the other great plasma brand, and I can confirm it looks stellar.

  • @user-sh6vr1qw9m
    @user-sh6vr1qw9m Před 8 měsíci

    These super how quality LCD ones don't get nearly the same love however may arguably be better

  • @robertmerrill9849
    @robertmerrill9849 Před 2 lety +1

    No valid comparison can be done until both units have been properly calibrated and any issues in drive circuits fixed. For one, the CRT can do true black and blacker than black, the LCD cannot, yet it shows as having deeper blacks than the CRT. The CRT isn't calibrated properly. I have a '74 Zenith Avante TV that has better black level than what is shown on the CRT in the video. Also, the scan lines on the CRT seem to be exaggerated (sharpness up too high?).

    • @ChadLuciano
      @ChadLuciano Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly put...my Wells Gardner K7000 is so black that you can't tell if the CRT is off or on. This video as much as I appreciate the guys dedication and efforts it doesn't deliver...my K7000 kills this...you should see Windows on it.

  • @2kBofFun
    @2kBofFun Před 10 měsíci

    The LCD seems to suffer from pretty bad CCFL backlight yellowing. Contrast looks better than CRT here because of the chosen exposure settings of the camera. If you had increased aperture or lowered ISO, the contrast on the trinitrons would have looked much better. Now they are overexposed.

    • @2kBofFun
      @2kBofFun Před 7 měsíci

      Oh and set the white balance of the camera to 6500K to accurately capture the white point. Now it is probaly on auto white balance, making the CRT look rather bluish.

  • @ChrisR3tro
    @ChrisR3tro Před 2 lety +2

    I can SEE the input lag

  • @jamescampbell8482
    @jamescampbell8482 Před 2 lety +1

    The perceived contrast on the LCD in your lighting conditions also looked higher than the tubes, though its probably the anti reflective coating.
    I feel like If we could get full field HDR 2000 on an LCD, you could strobe it, and get damn near the motion clarity of a good tube maintaining about 450 nits while strobed.

    • @RetroTechUSA
      @RetroTechUSA  Před 2 lety

      Still the lag on the LMD makes it a giant turd for gaming purposes

  • @monstermug
    @monstermug Před rokem

    is variable lag the same as input lag? 60ms is too much for retro games imo. its a shame.

  • @realamericannegro977
    @realamericannegro977 Před 2 lety

    Watching the intro and the lcd shows that sonic game better on film

  • @8BeatsVGM
    @8BeatsVGM Před 2 lety

    Why left side is so blueish

  • @C3phoe
    @C3phoe Před 3 měsíci +1

    Brighter color on the lcd but looks like crap in movement

  • @ricarnuninho80
    @ricarnuninho80 Před 2 lety

    CRT continues dominate at low Hz. Few LCD strobe (flicker) can get down to 50Hz but ULMB only, the (very) high price and no true 10-bit color support, unfortunately. I use CRT monitor for zero motion blur and for true 10-bit color because I want 50Hz for TV + multimedia and for few retrogames and 60Hz for multimedia, retrogames and modern games. :)

    • @ricarnuninho80
      @ricarnuninho80 Před 2 lety

      Ah... LCD has very low persistence time (ultra low motion blur) at 50/60Hz strobing 🙂 but the picture is little dark, unfortunately.

  • @johnm4397
    @johnm4397 Před 2 lety

    the lcd just looks better!

  • @spazzman90
    @spazzman90 Před 2 lety

    It's 2022. Is anyone still asking this question? LCD tech peaked a decade ago and no matter how they try and rebrand it or what letters they add, it will never surpass likes of CRT, OLED, or even Plasma displays for picture quality.

    • @2kBofFun
      @2kBofFun Před 10 měsíci

      I can appreciate peak LCD for what it is. Go get a Sony Bravia 46W5500. It is magical. Not the OLED or Plasma contrast, but there are areas where it excells. First of all, CCFL LCD is king of computer interface kind of stuff. Uniformity is unmatched. White point is unmatched. Brightness is unmatched. long time reliability is unmatched! You can run such a Bravia full white at 500cd/m2 and it has a nice eye-comfy white point with that. No dirty screen effect, no image burn. And I also like its wide-gamut characteristics. My 2008 26 inch CCFL LG monitor is still by far the most astonishing display I've ever come accross. It is lag free, stunning viewing angles, and the gamut is crazy. 100% AdobeRGB. It is in my best looking arcade cab.

  • @aboodxbk
    @aboodxbk Před 8 měsíci

    the crt looks way smoother

  • @yonikeynan
    @yonikeynan Před 5 měsíci

    Anyone in Los Angeles interested in buying from my CRT collection? I have PVM 8041q, pvm 1354q, pvm 1412. Local pickup only, to avoid packaging issues as is the talk of the town.

  • @TheRealJohnHooper
    @TheRealJohnHooper Před 2 lety

    6:15 Look at the wrong colors and the crazy Panel smearing with motion on the LCD..

  • @oldygoldy9920
    @oldygoldy9920 Před rokem

    The CRT's color, brightness and contrast was not properly tuned. If so, theres no way lcd can beat it.

  • @he.lena21
    @he.lena21 Před 2 lety

    6:57 The ghosting on the LCD is unbearable, CRT has God tier motion, look that, even my 210Hz OLED feels terrible when compared to a 85Hz CRT.

  • @jacobchalkley4355
    @jacobchalkley4355 Před rokem

    Can I Have a sony crt

  • @mariokart8715
    @mariokart8715 Před 2 lety

    Did you grow up living with CRTs? That’s how it was intended to be back then.

  • @ruggedman20
    @ruggedman20 Před 2 lety

    Retro systems needs lots of cables lol

  • @kavya1638
    @kavya1638 Před 2 lety

    dat motion blur lol... yea definitely crt all the way

  • @8BeatsVGM
    @8BeatsVGM Před 2 lety

    Modern display = motion blur

  • @backinthegame34
    @backinthegame34 Před 2 měsíci +1

    LCD loses all it's resolution as soon as anything moves !

  • @taerose5536
    @taerose5536 Před rokem

    Why not CERT race you know where the chicken

  • @FloydBunsen
    @FloydBunsen Před 2 lety +3

    First?

  • @Bone001
    @Bone001 Před rokem

    So to be honest this is not the best example if the CRT was not reflective which I know every CRT is it looks better to the eye then an LCD in a dark room dark spots on the CRT are just like a black hole since the laser is not projecting anything to it unlike the LCD cuz the LCD looks like dog crap at night

  • @documentthedrama8279
    @documentthedrama8279 Před 2 lety

    why test an excellent PVM against a piss poor LCD? test vs a QLED or OLED- you wont see the lag and with modern shaders you can recreate every CRT effect on them if you want a certain look.

  • @AustinTroth
    @AustinTroth Před 2 lety

    LCD wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @messatsu1981
    @messatsu1981 Před rokem

    damn the lcd one is so bad....colours are completely off

  • @GoldAronZKing
    @GoldAronZKing Před 3 měsíci +1

    once you powered those tvs on the video became unbearable to continue watching maybe consider doing it all for the camera then record yourself talking in a separate room or something i can still hear the ringing and i paused the video for more that 5 mins.

  • @chuckb7176
    @chuckb7176 Před 10 měsíci

    LCD wins. Just accept everyone praising the CRT for nostalgic reasons only because it sucked here in comparison.

  • @TheFly212
    @TheFly212 Před rokem

    those old lcds had tons of lag. Damn.