MODX/Montage Scenes, Parts and Elements: Your Performance Secret Weapons
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Keyboardists often are looked to perform many different parts in live performances. As a result, you may need to switch between many different sounds in the course of a single song. Using entire performances to do this can cause problems - sustaining sounds can cut off, and the whole result is far from seamless.
But what can you do when your performance consists of so many parts that you can't fit more into a single performance? I show you how to use individual elements to store your splits and layers, and use performances to hold your different song elements, switching between them instantly and seamlessly using scenes.
0:00 Intro
1:17 Parts in a Performance
1:57 The Problem
3:14 Solution: Elements
6:51 Switching with Scenes
8:38 Muting with Scenes
9:09 The Sustain Problem
10:24 Adding Another Part
14:00 Adding a Scene
14:38 Other Controls Stored in Scene
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I have had my MODX for a year now and knew or never considered using and editing individual elements like that to create a multi voiced performance and use only one slot.
This has opened up a ton of new possibilities for me now.
Much thanks
Strange🤔 Was one of the first things I did. Never had a problem with the part-limit? I had, already in the month😉
Thank you so much. I'm on the verge of getting the MODX8 and yours is the only tutorial that explains the specific hierarchy of Performances, Parts, Scenes & Elements. In fact I typed my search in just like that and yours came up first. I guess the other 'teachers' assume we all just know this!
You’re very knowledgeable. Good pace not dragging and not too fast to understand. Thx.
Thank you Mr Scott you explain better than the manual this is very helpful to me because the keyboard seems very hard to handle but you keep making it get easy much appreciated👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When you get your head around how Yamaha works, it's not that complicated. There's just a lot of stuff there to know. :)
@@ScottsSynthStuff Hi Scott. I've been watching your videos every day for almost 2 weeks and I really hope you can help me. I mostly play guitar/piano and sing. I have a Kawai MP11se/mixer/mic in my living room for that and have a Yamaha Tyros5 76 hooked up to a Mac Studio (unused so far) in my family room. I'm hoping to make simple backing tracks (pads, strings, background vocals, bass, guitar) to go with my piano or guitar/singing. I seldom use drums sounds because they never sound like the original songs.
I have a Korg PA5X on order to replace my Tyros5 but I'm starting to wonder if that's a mistake. The PA5X is the latest so I'm hoping the sounds and features would be more advanced and modern than the Montage or MODX+. I don't perform live anymore so this is pretty much my retirement setup. I'm not a programmer and don't do deep editing so I guess I want great sounds that don't require countless hours reading manuals or watching tutorials. The Montage being an audio interface is definitely a plus. I'm not sure if the PA5X is. I do like the HDMI out on it but that's not a deal breaker. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Scott, thanks,
I own a MODX6 since more than a year, but this with the sustain-pedal and the scene-change was new for me, and i think it can be useful.
thank you for this tutorial, i stay tuned for more.
This is a very good method. I also used this with Motif XF and MODX8. This can be useful if 16 MIDI track are not enough for a song. I sometimes did several of these for a song, so it's like I could add extra sounds. It is very good because each element can be programmed separately for Velocity, Attack, Dacey, Sustain Release, so not all settings will be the same in all 8 elements.
Great job explaining this keyboard absolutely love your video ❤
Thanks Scott, another wonderful video. I have the modx but I only use maybe 5% of what this beast is capable of doing. I look forward to more videos to learn from you on the modx with advanced topics
Stay with the 5%...I found sooo many faults in the rest😂
Very nice. Thanks mate :)
I just picked up a used modx6. A very interesting and inspiring synth. This was a very informative vid. Please make a series of these vid as i feel your instruction is quite easy to follow.. Big thanks for this one.
You're not the only one to make this comment. Thank you, I definitely will do more.
Thank you for that tutorial. It was very helpful.👍
Good stuff. One of the best regarding parts and elements, and even the scenes. I have the cp88 and it suffers from the stupid sustain pedal between live sets.
Excellent instructions
Thank you!
Thank you so much
First of all: nice video! Very good!
As an origin (e)organ player I could discuss some things here; what I do not so far. Two main things: 1. Sustain-pedals are something for piano players. I don't have one; and have no use for it. 2. Also with "velocity" (bigger discussion). No need, not common. Organ players usually use velocity-layering for special effects. E.g. play a bell at a certain point -> hit the key hard. Otherwise "velocity" is something for classical music.
Then I'm pretty estonished, because for ME the part-limit was one of my fist issues. And because I don't judge this "layering" as an outrageous feature (avoid "crap";)), I quickly came to the element level. I choosed an 88, exactly because of what you are demonstrating. BUT then you will find out, that the sampling of Yamaha is very, very poor. You will find extreme changes of the sound over the keyboard. Perhaps not important, if playing over 2 octaves. But sometimes for the bin, if this happens inside those 2 octaves. Clean sampling costs time and money. So ... don't wonder. But for the price of the Montage ... I'm happy, that I only paid for the MODX ;)
SCENES ... Question: how do you use them??? I myself use them for a "keyboard-like"-playing. Means during playing a song. "Secret weapon"? Not really. Yamaha simply didn't care about that at all. Noticed first, that you cannot change the split with scenes. For the rest: Sync-Problems, Timing-Problems (latencies), disturbing "change-noises" (I call this "hiccup"). Also other buttons cause a "hiccup".
At the end: your video is really a fine advice. But unfortunately this machine causes serious problems playing it as a single-entertainer-instrument. Scenes? Main use may be the usage with a DAW.
By the way one advice for people using them like me and having the same problems: one can automatically and cleaner change the scenes by using the sequencer.
Make total sense that the pedal stay on only when you trigger it. It does send a midi sustain signal that won't go off until you send the associated midi sustain off. As the pedal is pressed already, when you switch scenes the signal ON for sustain cannot be triggered; this is not a limitation of the instruments but it is how electronic circuit works with midi implementation. They could work around this using some tricks like saving the state of the pedal as ON and when the scene switch it would trigger it again even if the circuit is already closed, but that would require a signal to come from a microcontroller of some sort, that would simulate the signal of the pedal itself.
Doable but you start to add complexity, when in the end the desired behavior is that you release the sustain when switching scenes and press it again. What you are expecting from the instrument is to act as a looper :)
You got it exactly. I actually did explain that when I recorded the video, but I edited it out, as I thought it was getting too far into the weeds. The keyboard is turned on, so the sustain ON gets sent to that part. If you switch to scene 2, then back to scene 1, while holding the pedal down, that sustain will still be held in part 1, because it never saw a sustain "off". That said, I think it DOES send a sustain "off" to the original part if you switch scenes back to it with the pedal released.
Interesting,something to look forward for next update,if they wanna fix it.Another thing is in the efx area instead of type of (delay) might be the numerical adjustment.Or maybe I didn’t notice.I’m fairly new to keyboards.Thank you very much for your tutorials
Hey Scott, Great video. When you switch scenes with the note being sustained from the previous scene is there away to program it so it will ignore the sustain pedal as well as the keybed. The Idea being to get a drone note to play underneath a piano part. Thanks
Nice video! Thank you. Do you know what is the midi message to switch scenes on the montage with an external midi controller?
Great Tutorial Scott! I am from Brazil and a kind of ashame, but something gets wrong when I make my scenes.
I chose the sounds, then click on "Shif + Scene1" - its ok, Then a pick another sound and click "shif+scene2" , but somehow when a change scene it does not work well (sometimes). WHat am I doing wrong? (sorry about my english).
Hi Scott, the sustain peddle not carrying over to a new scene. You mentioned that it could possibly be mitigated by some clever programming.. could you do a video of that? that 'problem' seems to be plaguing yamaha keyboards.
Awesome tutorial, thanks. I have a silly question. I have two parts programmed in a performance, the second part is not playing even though it is not muted... Am I missing something
Thanks, very useful video, can be tricky, just wondering do all the scene changes then have to be stored to a performance, & does the performance name have to be changed from the original one say that you started with.
Yes, the scenes are stored as part of the performance, so you must save the performance to retain them. If the performance is a factory preset, you will have to save your version as a new performance, if it's not a preset, then you can choose to overwrite the old one.
@@ScottsSynthStuff great thanks, just wondering if i store the performance sometimes when i recall the performance it comes up with the last scene stored instead of the original performance obviously doing something wrong,
Somehow it does not save the scenes - when I save seen with some parts off like you did, it says "scene stored" but when going between scenes it doesn't change. I tried also to save the ARP on/off between scenes and same issue
Had trouble with this myself.. Try going into the scene tab and switching on all the memorization parameters... And then store your scenes..
Maybe a dumb question but how do you save the first part to call up in a new performance?
Keld Sorensen
Hi Scott. Thanks for a very useful video, (or many). I'm making a setup with 2 keyboards, my new MODX8+ and an old Roland G-70 (because I love the keybed, Fatar TP/8S) I want to use the functions of the G-70 but get all the sounds from the MODX via MIDI. In addition, I use a “virtual” IK Multimedia Hammond B-3X from a Surface Pro Tablet. I am familiar with MIDI.
I need to save (convert) all the Multi Performances I use, as you do with the Performance "Demo Scenes" so that they work with only 1 MIDI channel. Can you explain, or make a video that shows how to create and save a performance like "Demo Scenes". I'm sure there are others who will appreciate this knowledge.
Kind Regards Keld
Hello... I have a yamaha montage 6. How do I assign the small buttons under the sliders to act as "MUTE" for individual tracks? Also...how do I use the sliders themselves to act as volume for individual tracks...Is it even possible to do this.. I would greatly appreciate your help...ThankS.
I have the MOD7+ and changing the scene is not working correctly. No matter which scene I will select, it will on one scene as far as it is “Active”. I will need to select a scene that us “empty” so no scene is active, then changing between scenes will works. It is a bug. Waiting for Yamaha to fix it on the next update.
Would be great if you could use a Scene in a DAW context meaning for each sound having all included elements addressing one Midi Channel in the DAW
As a Korg user I find it very interesting, but can you join 2, or 3 or more scenes of those 8 to sound at the same time, or do you always have yo use 1 scene at the time? And if in case you can join and play the 8 scenes at the same time, what happens with the polyphony? Can the Montage support the 64 elements?
Scenes can only be used one by one. I don't really see a sense in connecting them, because each has a distiguished sense. Switch voice... switch arp...involve the Motion Sequencer... control the sequencer ... a.s.o.. Only a few of many examples, what I do with them. Do you have an example of what you are doing with "connection"? Sounds funny :D
Polyphony. Coming from eOrgan to keyboards, I came to know this polyphony limits. Organs don't have this ;) So it's also organ-style to play "chordwise" (chords) on both hands (sorry, only know the german words). So far don't reach this limit with the MODX. I only one time reached it. 6 Finger-Play, some Arp on with many blinky-blinky-notes... organ-style. And afaik the Montage's limit is double as high. I can't imagine a problem there. But I also can't imagine to play a 64-sound-layer ;) By the way it is simple math: elements x played notes...and perhaps arps.
I understand the question also being a Korg User (Kronos). I think he is refering to what we have in Karma Mode where we have some zones that correspond to some midi channels, something very similar to scenes. In Kronos they can be activated in the same time. The workflow in Yamaha however is different. That is because a certain scene might mute, for example part 3 and another one activates it. So it will send a contradicting message. So of course, only one scene can be active, to avoid contradicting commands. But what you can do (because I understand the Korg standpoint) it is just use a scene that activates all the sounds. There are 8 buttons. On Kronos I haven’t been able to program more than 4 “scenes”. So on Yamaha you might get much more flexibility.
Hmmmm this feature is available in Roland Juno Ds but when you are charging from one performance to another the sound will cut and sometimes make a horrible noise especially if effects of one performance varies from another.....I want seamless performance change ....
So you also live here in Columbus?
Why can't the Montage have all the scenes on at the same time and let me blend with the faders live? Like you can with the The Roland RD-2000. Not just the single sounds?
You can do that - you can have all the parts on and fade them yourself using those facts. Scenes are just "snapshots" of those settings that got can access instantly. So you can do it both ways if you like.
Is there a way to add physical faders to a modx8?
I would love to have the modx but can’t afford it just purchased a second hand Roland fa 06 should be here in a few days
How to assign sounds from modx to midi keyboard?
I just ordered my white Montage 7 from Sweetwater today. Hope I won't regret not buying the Montage 8 but I already have a Kawai MP11se for piano and a second 88-note keyboards seem a bit crazy!
I don't think you will be disappointed!
I used to live in Ft Wayne IN and have known Chuck S. since he was operating out of his garage in 1982. Being in Ohio, you've probably been at Sweetwater a few times :)
I started watching your videos about 10 days ago and have since ordered a GAIA then a Montage 7. Would love to continue learning from you. I've watched your GAIA video several times and will probably be watching it many more times when I have the unit in front of me!
I have a Korg PA5X on order. Do you have any opinions on that one?
@@hienvu1714 I've been to Sweetwater many times, and in fact you'll see a couple videos here on me going around Sweetwater! Chuck is one of the nicest guys ever, he's also a pilot (like me) and recently rescued (purchased) Enstrom Helicopters from receivership.
I don't know much about the PA5X - arranger keyboards are a bit outside of my wheelhouse, they aren't really suited for the kind of things I do with synths.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I wanted the PA5X because it's the latest and was hoping it would have the latest sounds and features but I don't do the "one-man band' stuff so paying top dollars for an arranger is probably dumb :) I may cancel it after I receive the Montage 7.
I'm a retired hair-band guitarist who enjoys playing piano and singing 60s, 70s and 80s stuff. I just happened to go down a synth rabbit hole and watching your videos did me in. Great job... and awesome hair (especially after that convertible ride!)
How can I switch from one scene to a next one by pushing mit food switch?
Well having that kind of hair you have is not so bad in the first place
I am wondering who is giving this kind of tutorial one to one ?? 😊
I get quite a few requests asking for specific topics to be covered, but I can only spend the time to create a video on one of the topics if I think it will benefit a lot of people. I can usually tell, because I'll get several people asking for the same thing. :)
@@ScottsSynthStuff thank you so much is a great tutorial !! you include so many details it so impressive ..I which I could have courses because often I do want to remix & rearrange some songs … etc ( … fantastic tools !! ) !
Instead of a foot pedal they need to make a few more inputs for extra midi keyboards to control multiple sounds..
Just use an inexpensive MIDI merger. You could plug four MIDI keyboards into this box, then plug this into your MODX: amzn.to/3wvM3PS
Ohio here..what part?