Warframe | Galvanized Status Mods Are Very Confusing | BUT WHY ?
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I love that the Stug is just utterly unsalvageable. That's gotta be intentional at this point xD
Stug incarnon where it launches a bouncing ball of goo that does actually 0 damage
Oh and it has self stagger
The thing is, I really enjoyed stug in the Circuit (still wouldn't recommend it, though), and it has potential with very minor tweaks. Cut the alt fire, buff the stats (or just leave it open to a future incarnon stug), and either remove the 10 stack cap, or make the 11th hit detonate the stack and start back at 1.
the stug could be fun if it worked like a chain beam where every time you shoot an enemy it makes more goo explode off them to nearby enemies which then also explodes etc, until you're actually doing reasonable damage
@@samreddig8819 Nah, stug incarnon. It says the incarnon form sends large explosive shots with +30% crit chance and +100% damage, but you literally can't land the headshots to charge the alt fire.
Worth to note that Galvanized status mods do work on Sentinel/Moa weapons, but they can't gain stacks themselves even if they get kills. They gain stacks from your weapon if you also have Galv Status mod equipped. Same with Galv multishot mods, but not crit mods due to them work only while aiming.
This is so bizarre. Thank you.
What the hell?!?
I thought it was always additive, because that would be the obvious approach 😭😭😭
Like it's literally how condition overload works, why DEEEEEEEEEE 😭
Co was originally multiplicative and it still is in a a couple of exceptions , original coding just been grafted it would appear
@@RossKyle95 Yeah, I know it was originally multiplicative! Joined the game about a year before melee 3.0
That being said, it was fairly consistently additive in melee.
Suddenly we just have extremely arbitrary multiplicative weapons vs additive ones, and it's just very silly, ya know?
Also, I'm mad about Artemis bow, NGL
@@radiofloyd2359 I think DE were lazy and obvs it’s typical of their code to do spaghetti shit lol , like how all bows are fucked with charged shots using uncharged base dmg etc but we have cintra being multiplicative on uncharged fully charged and perfect shot lol 😂
@@RossKyle95 I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the "lazy" label, but yeah.
It is, after all, a game that has more than 200 weapons, so I can understand the arduousness of the task.
@@radiofloyd2359 I say lazy more as a friendly way knowing how they do stuff , it’s coding at the end of the day whatever makes it easier stuff will bug out regardless haha
The second option is what I believe what the galvan status mods did. It's literally what Lavos' Cedo does when you shoot your alt fire glaives first, & then mow the enemies down with the primary.
(yes I put Galvanized Savvy on my Cedo, not sorry lol xD)
If you replace the SP arcane with one of the cold or toxin status gives CD and MS it's actually even better
Nothing else for it to be additive with other than the built in CO that way
Cedo has a Primary Fire?
Multishot and Status stacking Alt Fire goes Brrrr
@@noxlumine same lol, I rarely ever use it
And once again, MC comes in clutch with the knowledge
Me, personally, I've only really used Galvanized Hell and Galvanized Chamber, the multishot-boosting ones, until just recently getting Galvanized Savvy for my Cedo
Or maybe it was for a different shotgun...either way, really appreciate the advice, man, keep up the great work!
Funny thing is galv savvy is multiplicative to base damage mods AND cedos passive 60% which is also multiplicative itself on the glaive hits
I think the reason the galvanized status mod doesn't work on the Sonicor is because it doesn't have any status chance even though it technically can apply status effects
It Actually does Have Status Chance.... The Arsenal is simply not Showing you all the Information. 👀
probably the single best way to get a lot of different status effects is the secondary encumber weapon augment
the only other thing that needs to be known is that AOE weapons don't get the condition overload style damage buff which DE confirmed this isn't a bug it's by design and therefore they won't fix any of it
The problem is lack of consistency . They really need to add some simple way for the player to see when something works in UI (instead of doing infinite live tests or looking for guides on youtube)
Yep it says "Direct damage" for that very reason, it's not very clear or explained at all but that pretty much confirms its by design
This is by far my favorite Warframe series! The writing is also funky: I had a clanmate that thought that you had to aim for 12s to get galvanized crosshairs bonus, since it says: + critical chance when aiming for 12s.
Here is a link to the CO wiki -> warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Condition_Overload_(Mechanic)
mind pinning this? 😬
EDIT: nvm it's literally in the description 🤦♀
@@LittleLeonie description one doesn't work so
This sounds useful and clears things up a bit.
Thank you for your great videos and effort! Keep up the great work and take care!
this is peak warframe experience, sometimes works, some doesnt, some works differently
There is an old mod called Peculiar Growth that makes any weapon to cause Microwave effect on the target but I'm not sure if it counts to theses systems.
It's a good chance to make a video on these peculiar mods and if they count as stats or not, they are very old so not many people know or even have them and I'm not even sure if they are still obtainable.
Correctly me if I'm wrong but I am pretty sure I recall them NOT counting as status (both bloom and growth)
@@LittleLeonie Totally honest , I can't remember but with the spaghetti of warframe maybe it now counts :P
@@LittleLeonieI distinctly remember them, or atleast one of them, counting as a status. Peculiar bloom for some reason
thank you for clearing this up!
I DID NOT KNOW THIS AT ALL. Thank you!
It's kinda funky at times trying to figure stuff out, like how and why some interactions happen with those mods. But thanks for the helpful video MC!
I never new a wiki page for this existed, thanks for telling it and sharing it with us lmao.
I just treat them always as additive, and I had no idea it might be multiplicative on a lot of weapons. Excluding status shotguns and some secondary weapons I did only think that getting the additive bonus was good enough, cos at 2 status procs the damage is already 160% while serration is 165%. then third proc and the gun does more damage with that mod than it does with serration, no matter the arcane, so it was worth running on a lot of rifles.
Shotguns if they can proc status I use galvanized mod, but if they can't I just go with primed point blank. I tend to run shotgun vendetta arcane on most of my shotguns, not the acolyte arcanes. And some secondary weapons I do run with other arcanes like Cascadia empower or overcharge. Flare too quite often on status heavy weapons that I can build for heat, as 480% dmg is more than the 360% that those acolyte arcanes offer, and those weapons always run with galvanized status mod anyway.
I think it possible to have a enemy with all , a hound with the primer build + Kuva nukor (magnetic) with virla heat (radiation is base) and the arcane that apply random status + xata whippers , a mele weapon to lift them , okey it a lot of work and probably they die before all are apply
I didn't know any of this and I have been using them blindly on every weapon with 3 or more status effects ever since it got added. But yeah there were quite a few times where I felt like the mod barely made a difference if at all and now I know why...
Don't look forward having to reforma things...
the wiki link in the description is broken. For some reason the final ) has been cut off from the link.
"Good luck getting all those status effects on the same enemy..."
_Secondary Encumber would like to have a word with you._
"good luck getting all those status effects"
secondary encumber on my nukor, ah yes, status. how many? yes
the link that leads to the Condition Overload wiki page is broken. it's missing a parenthesis at the end it seems
I think it’s 5-6 as the most status effects you can get on a mob by your self normally. A physical weapon with two elements and a Warframe ability that applies a final six element. Granted I’m sure in the 1000+ gear in Warframe theirs something that will add even more status effects.
Edit: Sayrin with most Kuva and Tenent weapons can get 9-10. Three physical with three different elements from mods and added element. Three from Sayrin ability’s normally and if subsume you can add a fourth through sealing the shell ability. Granted I’m not sure of a mob that would survive long enough to have 9-10 elements applied to it.
I think we can actually get 6 statuses on a single weapon with the new Radiation dual stat mods
Impact kuva nukor with proper modding:
microwave (unique to nukors)
Radiation (base)
Impact (progenitor)
slash (hemorrhage)
Corrosive+blast or magnetic+gas (modding)
That's 6 statuses before accounting for warframe, operator, companion, or even Secondary Encumber.
Cedo can do IPS and all 4 base elements for 7 status effects without a single mod. You can get Radiation in a single mod now, so it's possible to get 10 status effects on a single weapon.
And as mentioned, secondary encumber exists, so it's possible to get all status types besides lifted/knocked down, void, and microwave on any secondary weapon with rapid status application.
Ever head of Secondary Encumber? It makes secondaries apply EVERY single status in the game in 0.5-1.5 seconds depending on the gun. I even use that on main dps secondaries nowadays, just so they can prime for themselves. For every status effect instance you inflict, there is a 24% chance to add another random status (ANY status, doesn't have to be modded on your gun) on top, which is crazy fast on any beam or high rate weapon.
Well now THAT was absolutely EYE OPENING, Thank you sir !
Did people really understand it as the former? I wasn't aware there was any confusion. It make perfect sense to me. Every status effect on the enemy give you 80% more damage (in the case of rifles, anyways) against the enemy.
This inconsistency has actually led me to look for alternatives to Galvanized status mods in my builds. In practice, that tends to end up being difficult without a good dispo riven.
Wait what?! Why is it additive on some and multiplicative on others?! Worse, you're telling me it's BOTH on some weapons!?
I have friends who find this game exceedingly difficult to get into, and I don't blame them when the game is this insanely cryptic.
Hell, just today I learned that in Effervo, the sanctum assassinate mission, kills within the vitreum's orange circles will speed up the seeking process, so you need to wait for enemies to go inside. And I only found out because someone told me: the game never makes mention of it, and in fact encourages you to keep enemies as far away as possible!
...is the sarcasm because you literally get told that inside the mission via voice lines and captions....
So actually, YOU need to be in the circle, not the enemies. So you can kill enemies outside of it, as long as you're in. I use Cordon/Manifold Bond to pull guys closer for easier kills.
Also, just in case you didn't know, it's NOT the circle on your mini-map, it's ONLY the circle that flows on the ground. Very important distinction because they're very different size wise.
It’s spaghetti code coming through , they’ve clearly used some of Condition Overloads code and it’s reverted to old CO on certain projectiles which was multiplicative on launch
Thank you, I was JUST thinking about this
I thout ot was COverload
I don't know if they patched this yet, but the galvanized status mod on the incarnon telos bolter (but not the prime) is/was multiplicative with the current incarnon charges while transformed. It has a magazine size of something like 255, so you could get some mad damage for the first half of the incarnon charge.
Yeah that was like weeks ago
Also remember that the Cedo has this effect by default, and adding the mod doesn’t make the two effects stack on top of each other
+1 this
also Cedo trait works like condition overload, and thats exactly why we dont have galvanize in melee weapons
Yeah, it actually does stack atop one another. Primary fire for both Cedo passive and Galvanized Savvy are both additive while glaive shot is multiplicative for both. And yes, they are separate multipliers.
What I have always hard to comprehend is how the kill effect works...
If I want kill Bob with full power, do I first need to kill 2 random dudes, them prime Bob with all status effects and finally shoot him?
This is how I assume it works...I hate kill conditions...
There's a typo in the description for the Wiki link
Thanks for this man.
It sounds like these mods need a massive overhaul
Acting different ways on different weapons or heck in that one example differently based on a full charge or not. Kinda sounds like they need to work on it cuz there is no way it's intentionally this wonky
Out of context
I know so many channel upload about burston incarnon, but can u upload some " Warframe - Quick Look at : Burston Incarnon "
Dual Toxysist with Gal. Shot and Secondary Encumber and good status is a monster
I went ham on Mine. Riven and all
This also does wonders for the Twin Grakatas by the way. Just have arcane Pistoleer and something to deal with the recoil and you have a winner. The only problem with that is you can only proc Pistoleer on 2 of the enemies in Albrecht's Laboratory which makes Me sad
Everywhere else though, golden
Now add 2 green shards for corrosive stacks and toxocyst can prime armor strip and dps
Well, the mod's description is pretty clear, +40% damage PER status type. While I understand it's easy to miss such details, it is actually pretty clear.
The Arca Plasmor isn't an AoE, just a big shotgun(?) that fire a quite big projectile. Is refered to AoE only radial damage born from a projectile I believe (though is isn't clear that flamethrower type weapon does create an AoE where their "projectiles", which happen to be a beam, hit).
And thus I thought you were exagerating, it's not *that* confusing... then I watched the rest of the video about additive, multiplicative, both, the stug and you convinced me.
What in darnation...
Well ignis beam is bassicly lollipop shaped
Just my opinion....but i hate kill conditions on anything in warframe....like for example, my happy ass kills everything in the whispers assination mission, i summon boss...and plunder from hydroid doesent work cause it doesent work on bosses because...reasons? So i gotta get him down to half health to just get the adds to spawn so i can get my armor and damage buff, but as i dont build for duration and rather build for efficiency, that buff is shortly lived, all the adds are dead and im left with the last quarter of a bar....which you have to wait for him to go invulnerable again to resummon adds...
If they are gonna go the kill condition route for the forseeable future, they better have non stop spawning for adds in boss circumstances...
"Good luck getting all these status effects on a single enemy"
*Laughs in Secondary Encumber*
no
Well now a question I have, is does Peculiar Growth trigger the "Microwave" status effect, or is it an entirely seperate thing? And if it DOES, can that be used to give an extra status type for Status Overload damage?
This game man... I love it, but my god theres just so much shit going on behind the scenes at any given time 😂
i did a little bit of testing and it seems to trigger the microwave status there is no visual indicator but the dmg did get higher when hitting the microwaved body part
I'd test it myself, but I dont own Peculiar Growth, so I can't. Can anyone else back up soxoscraft's test? Not that I dont trust it, I'd just rather be sure; Science and all that. A single sample isn't a perfectly reliable test
I think the key takeaway for me is that at +80% damage per status effect, it basically matches Serration at two status effects and Hornet Strike at 3. So as long as you can reliably inflict those statuses it's a great choice.
Considering you're usually with a squad who is also doing status effects, or you can bring a primer companion or abilities, it's worth including.
Weapons with radial damage, as you say, don't benefit from it, so it's best to go with the standard mods. I wish they'd fix that, though!
not working on aoe weapons is intentional, if memory serves, when these mods released it did work on aoe weapons, but it was decided they made aoe weapons too powerful and it was changed so that only "direct damage", like the mods say, get the benefit, while aoe weapons dont.
Xata's whisper and secondary encumber let's kuva nukor EASILY get every status proc, minus lifted/knockdown
4:30 - Hounds gonna be like: "Allow us to introduce ourselves....."
Status wiki page link in description doesn't work
Sounds like chromatic blade on guns
I've read many time before that DE don't want these mods "working" for aoe weapons like the bramma. By that is it meant that the aoe weapons get additive bonuses instead of multiplicative, or do they just not give the bonus at all?
That's what 'direct damage' refers to in the mod description: Only non-AoE damage gets the effect, whether that's multiplicative or additive. AoE damage gets nothing.
If the Kuva Bramma arrow directly impacts the enemy, that gets the bonus. But not the explosions
Anything listed under RADIAL ATTACK in stats wont benefit from these at all.
Like other people have said, the radial / AoE components of weapons don't benefit from the damage bonus. (There may be a couple of exceptions.) Most AoE weapons still have a direct damage component though, and between that and the status bonus which is passive, *can* still make it worthwhile on some.
General rule of thumb is, if it's radial explosion, it doesn't count.
MC... I love your content. Keep doing what you're doing...
My apologies, but every time you say "Wikipedia" instead of "Wiki" or "Warframe Wiki," I think of Wikipedia the website, not the Warframe Wiki.
Again, my apologies. Pardon the nitpicking, I'm weird like that. *Thanks for the video regardless.*
When in doubt, test it. I put in on my Cyanex, kills were faster.
Is secondary encumber worth using over the acolyte arcanes if you run galvanized mods?
Depends a lot on how fast it applies the status effects. For example, I would consider it very good on Kuva Nukor, since that spits out status effects extremely rapidly. Epitaph is often touted as another excellent user of the arcane, and if you're priming for melee or primary, I agree, but the arcane can only proc once per explosion from it. If you hit 20 enemies with a shot, only one can get an additional status proc. Not so great if you're planning on using the epitaph itself to kill.
Kuva Nukor and Tenet Cycron, though, also work well at actually killing things in my experience, so it's probably worthwhile as a damage setup for them.
Sometimes
put the link to the wiki page pls
so, is peculiar bloom a status effect as well since microwave is ?
No it is separate only
Heat electric toxin cold combined void microwave lifted/knockdown
Count to co and gunco
There is a secondary arcane that has a chance to apply a random status when you apply a status onto a target. Idk if that is better than an acolyte mod but it is funny
Trust me, with the epitaph that arcane puts a LOT of status effects on the enemies, I'm not joking
Secondary encumber
Worth noting that despite not being said anywhre, co damage multipliers are capped 3. It MIGHT just be co itself, not sure
That is not true. 3 or more status effects with CO are better than Primed Pressure Point. That is where the *3* come from. There is no limit
@@MCGamerCZ I keep seeing this in comments evreywhere, I even tested it in the simulcron and based on raw numbers (Notably WITHOUT viral using an Epitah primer with about 5 elements) going beyond 3 elements on the target had no effect. So....I'm not sure if it's true or not, it's really confusing. Even the Wiki mentions it on CO's page in the patch notes.
Can you change the text during the "math" sections to something more normal? It's kinda hard to read.
If not then it's all good, thank you for the interesting and informative content as always! :)
make a video on damage amplifier, sentient wrath, qorvex skill, shiver.
Bro wtf, I never knew this even though I use this in place of serration/hornet strike
I thought you listed 'microwave' as a joke status type because there so many types already but TiL that it actually is an effect that exists in the game.
I had to watch the explanation of how it actually works like 5 times, but I got there in the end. Lol
Someday DE, they'll add good descriptions for mods and everything else... Someday 😢.
Good video, tho!
i feel like even serration doesn't work on stug
I'm not finding that wiki page for it got a link?
The channel Aznvasionsplays has it on every video description
So like do we still not know if this is intentional or just a bug ? It seems like a really weird and unintuitive way for it to work.
it's intended design is to work only on direct hits (for AoE type weapons) and any non-AoE weapon and be additive.
What we actually have is spaghetticode.
@@LittleLeonie I know DE isn't known for fixing bugs in a timely manner but this feels like it should've been in the top 10 bugs to fix as soon as possible list.
also torid in incarnon mode the extra damage is only 50% of what it should be lol
So... if I get like 80 stacks of heat into the enemy *AND NOTHING ELSE*, I'm only getting 80% damage?
Yeah, obvs.
The Inaros Era is now over, The Age of Qorvex has started
These galvanized status mods needs serious work there is no reason they should be so inconsistent and weird
Meanwhile me:
*put damage mod and galv on my gun*
Me: There done 🥳
*cries in Spirex*
this is the most warframe thing in warframe, consistently inconsistent, sometimes it gives a bit of damage sometimes a lot some times it gives a bit and a ton of damage and sometimes neither
ah warframe continue to have eldrich spaghetti code that makes sense and no sense at the same time. at least my base knowladge of what i though it effects is generally correct
Just think, if DE didn't remove self damage Gun CO mods wouldn't need to be wack
aoe for me is something that explodes which explains why plasmor gets it but bramma RADIAL dmg does not its not aoe its jsut a big bullet
5:01 me with my secondary cucumber nukor with sentient wrath subsume on xaku/vice versa
Good typo :'D
@@LittleLeonie what typo
yeah idc I dont use this. I avoid on kill efffects like the plague cause I just hate the idea of down time.
Some how this clarification video just confused me more lol
Warframe math at its finest, for fuck sake.
Edit: whu the stug getting shafter all the time bruh
As long as it works on the bubonico for main fire and alt fire I really don't care lmao
i firmly believe the stug is coded to be absolute trash. thats why i use it on steal path
Not as good as having a Juggernaut pet, idk think about it DE
Whats also confusing is why the MIGHTY SEER is so powerful
Through faith and belief it will allow us to sign the death warrant for an entire world. It shall declare exterminatus. The Kuva Seer protects.
The mighty seer incarnon when DE?!
He hath shared his words of wisdom
Bruh
He’s right you know
Typical DE. Add in mods that are too complicated for even the game to comprehend and then tweak it later instead of doing the easy part the first time.
😂😂😂
So yet another thing that requires people to go outside the game to look up what weapons can use these mods....FAIL!! That's why I don't use them. I don't want to have to go outside the game to look up what weapons work. Add something to the UI that let's us know, or put it in the codex. Lazy bastards.
The annoying part is...if the weapon nature has any AOE perk on it, this mod just won't do anything besides status chance. My Laetum...
Long Story Short... DE bad at Programming. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯