Private Non Commercial Truck Weight Rules. Trooper Hoover. Truck and Trailer Tuesday
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- Tractor Time with Tim discusses Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings, Tire Weight Ratings, truck and trailer registration guidelines, Gross Axle weight Ratings and more with Senior Indiana State Trooper Brent Hoover. Trooper Hoover runs a Facebook page to answer questions about commercial vehicle requirements both from federal laws and the state of Indiana. Facebook page is called Indiana State Police Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division. He really tires to educate the public on the safe operation of both trucks and trailers.
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Every DOT inspector I've ever dealt with is over the human weight limit.
Surprisingly all the Troopers that i've encountered in Louisiana were skinny and tall.
@@LukeCressionie The food in louisiana isn't conducive to supporting human life.
@@justinthyme7275 It is good though and thats all we care about. We're not here for a long time, we're here for a good time.
So were the two security guards trying to chase that guy who ran on the field at the Super Bowl.
Fact!
Smoke and Mirrors.
Its ALWAYS about revenue, not safety.
Revenue generation under the guise of safety, damn highway pirates.
@@mercdragons thats a state problem.. ive never seen a weight rating here in texas. Ive read over the paperwork and on the backside i worked dispatch. The only information it gives besides vehicle vin, color, type, plate, owner, purcjase date and style is the price. I dont agree with an officer or Dispatcher seeing you dropped 95k on a pickup or 70k on a shelby and seeing what day you purchased it even if 40 years ago. Even semi truck plates are like this. I know when a company dropped 150k on a tractor and 40k on a trailer. Its just ridiculous..
I also see a lot of overweight trucks too. I'm guilty of it too, just don't give a rats.....
DOT, department of taxation.
@@brandoncaldwell95 My question is for a non commercial operation. WIll they park you on the side of the road if you're 800 lbs. overweight on a 14,000 lb GVWR trailer for example if you're otherwise legal? I don't have a problem with the overweight ticket per say, I just don't want to be left stranded on the side of the highway searching for a commercial operator to transfer my load to on a moments notice. What are the odds of finding someone in any timely manner?
Absolutely, gotta keep that bottom line high
@@brandoncaldwell95 Texas has lots of trucks... and cars.... and every single one of them has a weight rating. Just because you don't register for a weight class doesn't make weight ratings non-existent. Weight ratings on states' registrations are largely for the purpose of charging the heavier vehicle more because they stress the roads more and increase roads' wear and tear - it's not for safety. So, yes, on registration it's to increase funding. Weight ratings on the vehicles, axles, and tires are most-definitely for safety.
This is the one of you best series thank you for your time and help on CZcams take care be safe. I hope your DMV is more up to date on vehicle codes and laod ratings Arkansas is not up to par with information on models and load ratings. I tried to get these issues corrected but the system is not allowing the changes so I printed factory information and trailer information to protect myself while we are hauling my tractor and gear. I say 10ply all the way on tires it's just good rule of thumb.
Tim Christi and Trooper a lot of information to digest thank you
God Bless All
PaK
Great series. Trooper Hoover is fantastic. Very helpful.
Air pressure!!!!
So much good information. Great video Tim. Too many boat owners under size the original tire sizes just to save money as you pointed out.
I'm surprised anyone can go anywhere without getting a ticket.
Right?
You both look great thank both of you for the great video experience be safe
Fantastic video. Education is better than punitive action. Know the rules and break them at your peril.
Thanks Tim and Trooper Brent on the info and also a good sport on the donut dig
Thankyou Trooper Hoover and Tim for sharing info it is refreshing to see a Trooper taking the time to educate 👍
@LowJack187 lol
@@crisis-cast another arm chair tough guy.
Tim, I appreciate these videos. You're such a big help to everyone.
Honestly and no offense, I saw your videos suggested in the past but never really was interested, but this series has been the best and most informative I’ve watched on CZcams, I’ve been trying to get answers so some of these questions for years and have even asked DOT officers directly and they shrug me off I think because I’m not commercial, thank you! Wish you were in PA haha
Thanks for watching.
Good video with specific details. What sticks out to !e is the mention of buying a "higher rating" registration. That sounds like a money thing.
Tire weight rating is crucial. Hense your load distribution and therefore tongue weight and ultimately axle placement etc... You need the proper trailer for the specific load you intend to haul.
Great all around series. Very informative and pleasant dialogue with the overweight trooper!
Hense, lol
Didn't know it was going to be so complicated did you? It's amazing what us lowly truck driver's go through everyday. Hopefully you are helping people out with this. God Bless
there is more to it yet, they didnt cover, at what weight you must have brakes on said trailer, dont know what it is in the us state to state but i do know what it is her in Ont Canada, and any were i may go
Good information even if im not in Indiana learning alot about this. I have fair knowledge on commercial weights and law but lower non-commercial this is pretty new to me. I have always been able to stay under what is required for CDL's but the laws has changed so much alot of things wasnt aware of.
Arnold Romppai: In my State, Minnesota...its 3,000lbs that is why all your single axle trailers you see out of our area, have 3,500lb axles and are De-Rated to 2,990lbs.
Good Stuff, Great Help, Good Tips 👍Thanks!
Learning so much from this series...thanks for sharing Tim!
Very helpful info. Thanks for sharing.
Brent Hoover is a great guy and has been very helpful over the years. Keep up the good work.
U. Must like fat men good luck. Good luck with that. Fat state worker. Lol
Thanks Brent & Tim!
Great information 👍, thank you
Great info! Thanks Tim!!!
As much as I hate to admit that I'm guilty of hauling over my gvwr at times, this is a very very helpful video to be within the legal weight limits.
It becomes a bragging right when you're over weight where i am. Ive seen 40ft goosenecks stacked double rows. Talking 30 bales sometimes 32 if a deck over neck trailer at 1100lbs a bale. We are talking 35,000lbs not including the 8,000lbs trailer on a 1 ton. Typically you will see 22,000lbs on goosenecks when their actual ratings are for 16,000lbs loaded. I've actually overloaded my old truck by double before. Did fine without issue and passed many cops without a care.
I'm a pneumatic tank driver and latley I been stopped by roadsides DOT in CT DE NY Elmira. 401 Canada...
Tim, I just want to add that while considering tire ratings don’t forget the spare tires on both your trailer and tow vehicle. They need to be the same size and rating as the other tires, in fact they should be the exact same tire as the others so that they have the same tread pattern and rubber density “ hardness “ as the other tires, so that during braking they will have the same traction on the road surface so they don’t cause a stability issue. This is really important on tow vehicles equipped with sophisticated anti lock brake systems that may not be able to compensate for a different tires friction properties during hard braking. Remember you don’t want create an unsafe condition when using a mismatched spare tire that is there to help get you home safely when you need it.
P.s. Don’t forget to check the air in your spare and carry a little air compressor that can provide enough pressure for your tires requirements before towing.
Great advice. I do the same with my trailers, all tires are matching brand, tread, and size....makes it much easier to keep track of that way and you know that you have the same load rating on every tire...I see trailers all the time with mismatched tires some passenger car tires on a heavy duty trailer hauling heavy equipment and you are like WTF is that guy thinking....same tires you find blown up all over the road too HAHA!!
And you wonder why products cost so much. You have to pay the fines for delivery. Many cops don't actually know the laws.
Great info for a lot of people.
This series is extremely helpful thank you
My favorite line, "need help back to your car?" :)
Sorry but Its just a money scam on the plates, It should be when you register a pickup then you should be covered up to the GVWR. Pure BS to have different classes of plates on pickups.
Well given the huge number of pickup truck buyers today that buy a pickup truck to cruise around town in, I guess it makes sense to have passenger/private vehicle plates for pickups. I have truck plates on my 3/4 ton pickup, but my Ford Ranger just has regular passenger vehicle plates because well let's face it the Ranger is more of a grocery getter than a heavy hauler LOL.
I understand what you are saying, but with the experience of seeing what the majority of truck people are doing where I live its not hauling/towing....err ok fine they hauled their groceries home from Winco, or Walmart HAHA!!! Many trucks today just don't get used as trucks so there are a few states with different plates for different usage levels.
In Washing State my truck is good for so much weight, that's why my tabs are more then a car. But if I put a camper in the back of my truck and I'm still under gvw I still have to pay extra to tab my camper. Can anyone clarify this for me. If I'm,under gvw why should I have to pay more. And I really don't have to pay for anything according to our Constitution. It states that if you are not a commercial delivery driver that you can " travel freely and unimpeded across this great nation. " and are garrenteed buy the constitution to do so.
@@robormiston2841 become a Sovereign Citizen. (Please, PLEASE film When you get pulled over.)
@@robormiston2841 why not just ask those who should know the answer, as in your state dmv employees? Or just expect random youtube commentors of unknown qualification to answer.
DMV always says that's just how it is and that is never good enough for me. I have 9 cars trucks and boats so I'm always down there and there biggest customer I'm sure. They are no help EVER.
Wow, a lot covered in a short time. But even though I live in another state, it is worth considering.
as always check local laws.
Holy smokes! Trooper Hoover got me at scales one time!! I think it was a log book violation, it was couple years ago, he was nice about it thou!
Yep they talk nice act sweet as apple pie..while stealing your paycheck..how kewl is that ? Maybe a hug too...
Very good info. Thanks.
Great job
Tim there are trailer and truck scale systems that you can mount on the trailer and rear axle of the truck and know what your total truck and trailer weight are
Good video Tim
Great series Tim! When are we going to see a review and unveiling of your “cargo”? One thing that was not mentioned was the GCVWR. Gross combined vehicle weight rating. Trooper Hoover made it sound like if your total weight (truck and trailer) was over the registered weight you could be cited. I mistakedly went through a scale with a Penske truck loaded with household goods towing a trailer with a car on it I was over 26000 pounds combined but under the GVWR of the truck. I was not cited because I was not commercial and was not required to enter the scales. But that always seems to be a catch .22. Your thoughts?
Jeffrey Allan I’m guessing that wasn’t a NE scale?
Tim needs to hop in a commercial vehicle go through a different scale and record it. There are no bigger a-holes on the face of this earth than DOT commercial vehicle enforcement. 95% corrupt and Leo people i know agree, 1% like nice guy here.
I’m thinking the nice guy bit is just for the info video. They’re not out there to be our friends. When they’re unpleasant during stops the community buzzes about it and ultimately voluntarily compliance improves.
Search for officer Hoover (or Trooper Hoover) on CZcams. You’ll find him in lots of videos. For example, just a day or two ago, he was on a livestream with ‘Dirt Perfect’. That episode shows you a LOT about how classy he is. Great guy throng and through.
May not be many like him...I get it...but he is incredible.
Thirty-three years going in and out of scales, all over the US, countless DOT inspections, never had an issue with any officer. I did my job, they did theirs.
@@lazaroibarra8464 25 for me and pretty much the same
@@lazaroibarra8464 Mostly true but I've had occasion to disagree.
Great information good video
I got 10ton plates on my Dodge Cummins. Just for that reason. About $100 extra for the tonnage.
Worth it!
Dodge Cummins eh.. Never knew they made a Dodge cummins. I know they make a Dodge model truck with a Cummins in it . Like back when i use to hear people say Yeah i have a detroit cummins engine. Which is it a detroit or a cummins
Id like to hear his opinion on rv and pickups, like a 5th wheel and 1 ton. Personal use. The BMV says the rv is registered under its own plate weight wise. I know when i scale my rig, im under all the axle ratings, ect. My question would be on the plate registration on 7k vs 10k. My 5th wheel tow rating is different than the 10k bumper rating. But even the manufacturer cannot tell me my GCVWR on my pickup because it is older than these new ones.
Very useful info.
Just saved me a ticket! used trailer with the wrong tires on it. leaving now to replace them! Thanks so much
Tim you should do an update on this video since from 5 years ago. I think its good information for us farmers, as hotshot drivers have in ways made our life more tricky towing
Good to know information
I bought a 18 wheeler that I never use but I feel good knowing that if I ever need to move something heavy i can.
@Andrew Dean well, I have less now, because a truck is kinda an expensive to have around. The license plate registration alone cost like $2,400.00 for a year. But since you are watching this channel i suppose you know all about it 🤣 Mine is an older 379 conventional day cab. Nothing really fancy.
When my dad sold RV's he always told people to stay under 80% of the towing capacity of their vehicle to be safe and not get snagged by DOT.
I only wish they would in force 4 wheeler laws and how about inspection of said cars............
Are you sure, after what you're finding out, that you want a bigger tractor? But, other that that, nice video.
Well I'm glad you are doing this series. I'm a heavy haul trucker and see some crazy stuff on the road with these pickups. I always admire someone who takes the time to find out the laws. Most of the DOT rules are about safety, but there are some that are about money. I run safe and legal always, but I make a living at this and refuse to haul cheap loads. Thanks for doing this series for those that are interested in learning about it. BTW my heavy tag is a tad over $2000 a year for anything over 80,000 lbs that's $200 more that a standard 18 wheeler, plus I have to pay for permits when over 80K
Then you get into the Ifta, highway use taxes.. 2000k is cheap if you haul in state.. don't haul to the mines do ya?
D Springer it’s 2000 a year for all states, that’s for my cab card, yes I go to mines as well. I’m leased to Landstar.
What if you build a medium duty class chassis and drive train, but put a light duty body on it. Is there a way to alter gvwr so everything checks out. Not for commercial purposes. Kind of and odd question I know, but just curious. I know of a lot of people who want to build some really custom stuff, but it's hard to get everything to line up as far as paperwork goes.
I tow my 5th wheel trailer across country occationally. I'm registered as a non cdl driver from CA, you know, wonderful Ca..I'm compliant with all rules here at home but are there any other rules in your state that I need to know?
Great video's and thank you.
I love how an old truck with super heavy duty axles that may be upgraded to modern brakes, steering, and have jakes, or appropriate gearing and still be rated for 10k #s at best, but a Ford F350 is good to pull 37k lbs down a 20% grade. K.
quick question, does this affect only Indiana registered plates or other state plates traveling through your state? Might go camping in Indiana and would hate to be pulled over or have some issue with this.
Great video series. I have a CDL and get a lot of anxiety whenever I see weigh station open signs... Even in my personal car. My wife thinks it is funny.
Yes, we certainly felt nervous driving in there.
Honestly when i started out i was the same way after while you relax. If you know you are legal nothing to worry about. You get pulled in for a inspection. Be Light Hearted about it don't have a pissed off attitude so come off yelling at them for wasting your time or some other bullshit. your 10-15 min inspection all of sudden became a lot longer. Example me and a driver that worked for me "after the inspection he didn't work for me anymore" Both had the same trucks and trailer pretty equal in weight trucks are only a month old, but we didn't have the CSVA sticker in the windows since they was new so we both got pulled in at the same time. Now i wasn't worried about weight both was hauling empty 5 gal plastic water jugs so no weight really. So i figured level 1 inspection. Me i'm all happy go lucky joking with the officer Found one minor Issue with a wire nothing to give me a ticket for just said i may want to put a rubber grommet in the hole it was coming through looked like the factory forgot too. Glanced over my Log book gave me my clean bill of health.
Now my drivers turn. I warned him time and time again keep crap off the Dash if you have a clean truck doesn't look like a pig pen they don't look at you as hard. and well he kept the inside fairly clean expect for crap on the dash. Anyways he pulls in i can see he is pissed He opens his door cans of redbull fall out not a good start. I have no idea why he is pissed anyways starts jumping the Officer ass Officer puts up with it ask him to open the hood he wouldn't do it. told him to do it himself and walks away from the truck. Well i knew this wasn't going to go well. Officer asked if i would i said sure i dont' blame him he didn't wanna climb in it it stunk bad worse i've ever seen the truck asked me to hand him his log book and i did praying to god he was not running more then 1. Yup he was. Hey i'm no Angel i've run over my hours from time to time But holly crap not like this. 15 mins turned in to 2 hours. That officer went over the whole truck with a fine tooth comb kept telling me sorry i told him i understand i'm not worried since we was 20 mins from our delivery point and about 15 mins from our yard and the load didn't have to be delivered till tomorrow afternoon. Well after all was said and done truck trailer pass.. Driver was put out of service due to his log book. I talked to the officer asked him if he unhooks from the trailer if he could take the truck to the yard he said yes cause then he was off duty.
So we got back to the yard i told him get his personal effects out of the truck he was fired. I drop my trailer went back picked up the other so i can get the loads dropped off. Moral to the story is. There is worse things that could happen the DOT writing you a ticket. Oh and you think they guy would of stayed in a better mood With all my drivers each Level 1 inspection you pass violation free other then for minor comments saying should be addressed. They get $100 bonus If trucks are kept clean inside and out even more money. out of the 1 year he worked for me no bonus for clean truck and 1 for passing inspection out of 22 inspections. All minor infractions but still hurts my Safer score it may not follow them to their next job but sure hurts me till it drops off.
Haha I haven't "driven" professionally in nearly 30 years after some bonehead with a crackerjack box license drained his tank and slammed into me on an icy road, I was able to stop without draining my tanks, missed the guy in front by 10 feet and then get slammed by this bozo. In any case, even now, 30 years later, scales still give me the willies when I'm towing my RV. :) I still hold a current CDL too.
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Wow love this info . CDL holder my self but thought these laws where only for us not the private trucks
I'm from Illinois. We got a town by me that will drag a car to the scale.
Nope they are for personal trucks too.
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I recently put new tires on my trailer. The trailer tires have always been as expensive as or more than truck tires, but they never seem to last more than a year or two. So, this time I bought truck tires with a 50,000 mile rating and put them on the trailer. The trailer pulls better, the tires are quiet, and the load rating is higher than the trailer tires that I just took off; all at a better price. You don't need to buy "trailer" tires, any quality truck tire will surpass the needs of your car hauler or utility trailer.
Hi I have a doubt. Under what weight should I register my truck for a non cdl hotshot? I registered mine under the actual weight of the truck per the vin sticker on the door 13200 pounds.
I’m thankful I don’t live in Indiana. Imagine getting a ticket for an arbitrary number on a piece of paper that’s nothing but revenue generating. No such thing exists where I live.
What state do you live in? I'm in New York, at least until the end of the month, then headed south. D.O.T are assholes in New York.
were can one get that Guide for the ware and OOS guide for the chains?
I’m glad to see some states enforcing weights on non commercial vehicles. I’ve seen way too many overweight vehicles driving down the highway.
Did you wiegh them with your eyes. ? Lolololol
@@lemmingsrule8816 You can tell when people are overweight
Refuse to pull on scales or anything else that assist in incriminating yourself. Tell the officer the key is in the ignition and he is welcome to inspect the vehicle, then ask him where he would like you to stand.
@Rene' D east bound then down
We are from the government and we are here to help you.
Is that truck and trailer combination in the video required to stop at weigh stations?
I have experienced being stopped twice..once was in 1950 when my dad, mom and I were traveling from our home in central Il to our cabin in northern MN, when at 1 in the morning we were stopped in Tomah, Wi by a local policeman and accused of transporting machinery without a commercial license. We were driving a 1940 Mercury sedan and to the back was hitched a 8 foot, 16” wheel single axel trailer and on the trailer was a .
where is the rest of the story? cliffhanger?
..two bottom plow and a small harrow. We had to sit in the police station until the justice of the peace came in at 9 am. When asked why we had the used farm equipment, my dad told him..truthfully..that he was taking it to a farmer near our cabin in exchange for barn siding that he would be removing. (In the area, where the soil is very sandy, the farmers do not like to buy new equipment because the sand destroys them too quickly, so if they can obtain equipment from an area that is not sandy, that’s to their advantage,) The JP dismissed us and we were then free to leave. This was before the interstates, but after that we did not bring any used farm machinery up for exchange..
The second time was at a weigh station on 90/94 as you enter WI from IL. I had a new 1990 Ford 4 wheel drive pickup that I used primarily for a Jaco slide in extended camper. The truck had a 7 L gas engine and was as strong as an ox. The rear end would only drop a half inch when the fully loaded camper was on it and the same was true for what ever I put in it..cement, lumber, compost..it always got from 13 to 11 MPG, fully loaded or empty. This time I had it loaded to the rails with compost and on top of the compost I had lumber, including two 16 foot 2x10’s and I had tied red plastic flags to the end of the lumber.
Down the road I was pulled over by the DOT for not having any flags..which had apparently blown off..the staples were still there but the flags were not..so I had to come back to the scale house where they weighed me..had just filled the two 21 gallon tanks and I also had 10 gallons of diesel fuel in diesel cans..and in the cab with me as we sat on the scale was my wife.
We were then asked to pull around to the back of the scale house, where the officer asked me where we were going. I said to our WI farm. He then said, good thing you said to your farm, because you have 12,485 pounds on a truck rated for 8,000 pounds, but for farm use, 12,000 pounds. We give you a 500 pound extension, so by 15 pounds you saved yourself a very big overweight fine..but without a flag, you can not leave.
A trucker was watching and listening and he said, here..take one of my flags..it was cloth and on a stick. He tied it to the back of the lumber and said these guys can be really ah’s.He wouldn’t take any money for the flag aand when the DOT person saw that there was a flag on the lumber, he said we were free to leave.
I understand the hazard of un flagged material and from then on, I always had it securely flagged and hopefully was hopefully was never overloaded, because I do see the potential for problems when a vehicle is over loaded and have never been stopped again.
I've actually had a DOT Officer offer ME a doughnut. Apparently he thought I looked hungry or skinny. I thought it was kinda nice of him.
Damn a DOT officer did that? I can see a patrol officer or maybe even a trooper doing it but DOT officers are ruthless sometimes, Might just be giving them a bad rap tho, That is definitely nice of that officer lol.
@@towtruckaj well it's like they say. Keep your equipment clean and pretriped. Have paperwork in order. And no matter how late you're running or you're schedule. Be respectful of the officers and things will go very well for you as a driver. And with my Co. We have a good relationship with the local D.O.T. officials.
In my state, NH, trucks and trailers are registered separately, if I go over my registered truck weight because I'm towing a trailer but the trailer is under the registered trailer weight, I should be ok because my combination weight is still less than the combination registered weight?
Good information! I have a cdl and still get overweight tickets. Hadn’t figured it out yet and all the Troopers around here aren’t as friendly or as informative as the one you are with.
Country 2theSoul they all think there cool to get to pick on the small guys and give tickets..
What are you having problems with i could give you a hand trying to figure it out.
@@luckylawnboy while a lot of people of you think its a money grab and i agree some of it is. It is a safety issue. Its not really a matter of your tire rating. its your Braking power. Up in canada i can run about an extra 2000 lbs over on my axles up there cause the figured in if i remember right the new brakes and stopping distance. I've seen some stupid small pick up/trailer users out there that shouldn't be on the road.
Maybe you should figure out how to use a scale. Not sure what your problem is
I haul heavy equipment for a local company. Making 6 to 8 loads a day. My company won’t foot the bill for scale tickets. If I pay for them out of my own pocket I might as well just set at home and collect a welfare check because I’ll be making more money that away.
I wonder if he would pull me over in my crown vic towing my 22' pontoon lol?
I had no idea about this stuff. My truck has a gvwr of 7200lbs but the BMV gave me a plate for 11,000 for some reason lol.
Hi Tim,
Keep up with the good trailer rating details. All of this seems complicated, but these details must all be taken into account.
My only real gripe is that all states can't be more consistent with their requirements.
If they were to be more consistent, we would all be like Massachusetts, not like Indiana. ...so, I guess I’d rather have the diversity!
I've noticed this too with many states, you go from one to the next and the information changes sometimes a lot. You would think they'd have federal guidelines and use them across the whole country instead of a few states doing what they want.
Then again some states have roads that you couldn't get say a 53' trailer through because the curves are so tight you'd wrap the truck/trailer around itself LOL. So special limits on certain roads I understand but for the majority are highway haulers so shouldn't be as much of an issue I wouldn't think.
Never under inflate a tire if your going to load it to it's rating. I always go a bit higher the tire won't flex as much it won't heat up as much and wheel won't flex as much and crack. Never go less then pressure on tire
Load or not is should alway be at proper inflation unless your going off roading :)
All the little things add up, the tool box, the fuel tank, the shovels, spare tires, etc etc.
Rene Drew most definitely
@Rene Drew yup happens to us big trucks too. i'm always temporarily overweight by a couple 100lbs in fuel this is where they cut a little slack. you say you made the mistake filled up all the way they know the weight will burn off.
Officer Hoover talks about the truck having registered weight. In my state we have no registered weight for a non commercial vehicles registration purposes. The GVW line is left blank.
Other states also may not have a GVW for registration purpose but can be a tonnage or even a gcw for registration (truck/trailer). Also some state may allow the summed gawrs as the vehicle gvw.
My state simple uses the vehicle axle/tire load rating for weighing a non commercial vehicle overload condition.
Other O/O I've been around mostly follow dot requirements. Those that don't or didn't seem to be the ones bashing DOT officers.
Every truck has a gvwr. look at the plate on the door frame…driver’s side.
Tim can I tow a 17,000lbs truck behind my Mci bus. Bus and truck are both registered as a Rvs. Both have air brakes.
I find it hilarious and rather disturbing that people with RV's think they are exempt from this. Would love to see an updated video with Trooper Hoover that targets RV's, and 2500/3500 differences for weights and registrations.
One thing the trooper skipped about tire/trailer/ axle weight ratings is the weight of the trailer itself!
Say your trailer has 4 tires with a 2500lb weight rating... that gives you 10,000lb legal weight rating/ carrying capacity of those 4 trailer tires... most people would say “A-ok I can haul 10,000lbs no problem on my trailer!” But they forget they need to subtract their trailer’s weight from that! So with a say 1500lb trailer empty now you can only put 8500lbs of cargo/ load on the trailer!
And then still part of that 8500# will go to the tongue and thus the truck.
John, you are over complicating it.
Notice there are 3 sets of scales there. Drive on, and see the front truck axle, back truck axle, and trailer tandems all Weighed separately. Those are the numbers that count.
Of course some of the weight is transferred from truck to trailer...but that is already accounted for by weighing each axle (or tandem) separately.
Really important,for safety sake, to pay the government more money. Makes everyone so much safer
As a matter of fact, it's the same tag as is on my car, we don't have pick-up tags.
What if you only use your truck for lite loads except when you pull your recreational trailer which pushes the truck close to its GVWR and GCVWR. Do you have to register at the higher rating just to pull your RV?
Good question. Not sure on that one.
Interesting fact: the Motor Vehicle Code is for Commercial purposes only. Private Individuals are not required to get a lic or registration regardless of what any cop says.
Outside of a Commercial context, the Motor Vehicle Code is only valid under Contract Law. If there is no contract, then there is no legal standing. PERIOD!
I run a ram 5500 and yes the stock tire weight rating was the wrong rating put on by ram at the Mexico factory. They put 12 ply on and I was stopped by dot and the first think they went after was the tires. They knew that ram had put on the wrong rating tires. I was pleased out of service and had to buy 6 new tires. I did get H rated tires to solve the immediate problems. Then came the legal battle with FCA . I took the tires that came off and showed the dealership that the tires were wrong for that truck. They had 2 more on the lot and showed them that they were wrong. After a meeting with the owner of the dealership and a representative for FCA ,they did amit the tires were wrong and paid the entire bill. Some were they were building the ram 4000 which is only for sale in Mexico, but didnt change the tire line when they went to the 4500 5500 line. So if there wrong fight it.
Question that I can't seem to get accurate information on. Based on the Vin number of my truck The GVW is 12300. Also based on the Vin number it's towing Max is 17,416
This gives a GCVWR OF 29716 correct?
My question is when I was at the counter paying for IRP and getting my IFTA stickers I was asked what weight I wanted. My answer was 29716 which the assistant stated was an odd number.
I explained and she said I could use whatever weight I wanted!! How to an this be true?
If you and that officer was in the cab of your picked up you’ll be over on your steering
Hey now!
Ok that's funny!!!! Sorry Tim........
If it i was a cab over. to bad your joke failed on so many levels.
Pulling a trailer isn’t so easy anymore. I sold my bigger trailer to avoid some hassles.
So just out of curiosity my dodge has a axel rating of 9600 but tires rated for 12500 total I'm guessing it's axel rating but just curious if I can squeeze the extra few thousand pounds
Nice video Tim and Christy
I have a 2020 F250, that I use to tow a 7500 pound (loaded weight) camper for personal use. That’s well under the trucks rating. The BMV sold me an 11000 pound plate. They don’t ask if that’s what an F250 needs, they just tell you. So truck and trailer combined are over 11000. Am I illegal?
I'm an owner operator truck driver as well as a weekend car enthusiast/drag racer. I know that the "diesel bears" are all about safety. I am too since I want everyone to get home safely. I've only been D.O.T.'d twice in over 25 years of professional driving and passed with no problem both times. My sister in law, an O.S.H.P. Sergeant, says that it's because I keep my equipment clean and polished. That way, the D.O.T. inspectors know that it's in top condition when I pass them on the road or roll a scale. With that said, I wish the officer in the video would've also touched on the GCVWR (gross COMBINED vehicle weight rating). Your F-350 might have a GVWR of 11000# but that's just for the truck itself. The GCVWR for your truck is probably in excess of 20000# if it's set up correctly. This is the rating for the truck AND trailer as well as the cargo. This is also where many people and businesses run into trouble with licencing, insurance etc. This is a great series though. I'm glad that I found it. Even though I've been pulling trailers since I was a kid on the farm back in the 80's, I've learned a few new things as well as been reminded of some that I'd forgotten over the years.
I've had them pull me in because it's clean and well kept so they get an easy inspection.
Don't know about Indiana but Missouri your truck license weight has to cover the trailer as well. For example I weighed my 94 Dodge Dakota 2 wheel drive with 12,000 lb. License on it pulling a 16' trailer with a 95 Dodge Dakota 4x4 on it I was barely legal at 11,940 lbs. Thank God the 95 was a rust bucket. Lol!
Alvie Schreckhise same in SC only then they also tax your vehicle accordingly every year even if you never tow a trailer with it.
@@akbychoice in MO taxes go on the engine V8, V6, Inline 6 or 4 cylinder
Alvie Schreckhise in SC they also tax RV trailers if they can provide a place to eat, sleep and bathe.
Any overloaded vehicle is a threat to safety. One guy not far away from me had a trooper stop him and his truck was nearly TWO TIMES the listed maximum.. Trailer had a flat tire. Jacks did bupkis - they hadda bring in a crane to lift it up.. I can't recall the fine, but it was YUGE!..
My rig has 14 e rated tires and i scale 22k. The trl is over rated for hauling my tractor. I can put 12-13k on my trl as it is a 9 ton unit i believe empty is 5-6 k. My tractor only wieghs around 7k. I love the dually trl. It handles the tractor beautifully. I bought new tires for it and i was looking into converting it from a dually to a single but i would have to go to a commercial tire which would be harder to service and cost more per tire but 4 less but now i would need to find rims to fit my axle specs but be a single. Not worth the hassle and i have had tire problems before the new tires where i singled out due to a flat. My totaled dually trk i had both inside valve stems break due to previous owner put 16" valve stem extensions on rubber valve stems and the broke on me. Short distance i accidentally drove on my outsides
Really you register your tag for a weight load we just get a tag in Arkansas if the truck is rated for it do it
Yeah if you don't get charges out the rear end go for it. Myself here where i live i Register at 6,000 then if i need to pull a trailer in the state most of all with the bigger 5th wheel to pull behind my 3/4 ton i just buy a tip trip permit that will allow me to increase my weights for 3 days for 20 bucks. But i have an old 69 peterbilt day cab i use for that and its rated 26k :)
Most people in California did not know they had to enter the scales if Driving a Uhaul truck of any size. Now the scales have signs saying "Daily rental trucks must enter." Something else, if you are driving a full Uhaul Truck you might want to go to private scales and check your weight. Better to unload that extra 2000 pounds back at your house or storage yard than at the scales.
From a Canadian driver. The bottom line , it is a money grab bc there is no co-ordination from state to state. One state law is slightly different from other states laws ,just enough to fine you. Even within the same state ,they will interpret the laws a different way.
One day at the scale by Shelby ,Montana was called in the scale. I show the officer my permits . He told me all my permits were wrong so he fine me and sold me the proper permits. Hours later ,same day arrived at a scale south of Montana on I-15 I was called inside. The officer looked at my permits and told me that I had the wrong permits and he had to fine me and sell me the proper permits. At that point I just lost it . I answer him back “ you’re telling me that your co-worker fine me for nothing and sold me the wrong permits and you’re trying to do the same.” At that point .he told me “ Just Go, Go “ He probably knew he didn’t stand a chance in the court of law.
Remember to add the actual weight of the trailer when you are calculating what you can haul. You might be surprised at what your trailer weighs!
Yeah im pulling a 6 k flatbed vs tim is pulling a 2.5k trl. But my tractor is twice as heavy im guessing
Plus every item adds up, chains, straps, binders, tarps, jacks, blocking, etc etc.
It adds up quick! My empty 7x14 dump trailer is over 4200 empty.
Very true Always get and Empty weight With the Tow vehicle fully fueled up and any tie down equipment you would use that will help you know what you can legally haul roughly. Never be afraid to use a truck stops scale to see if you are over or need to adjust your weights.
This was pretty much the point of the post I made a few hours ago. I don't worry about being legal day to day in my Freightliner since I can scale 46k, but, I have to be careful on weekends. Here in Ohio, DOT doesn't look at pickups pulling trailers too hard unless they're obviously overloaded. I have a 78 GMC K35 dually that I use to pull a 36' 5th wheel twice/yr and a 20' all steel car trailer with my 74 Camaro drag car a lot more. The truck is more than capable of this, but, I ALWAYS use a weight distributing hitch and sway control for the car trailer.
Great advice. I can't believe how many incompetent people are on the road and have no idea about proper axle weights. Ask about their tires and they're clueless. Maybe they need automatic fail on these CDL tests for questions that are critical to safety. The tests are for simpletons, they lack understanding what is really needed.