Top 5 22LR Ammo for the CZ457 MTR: 14 Different Ammo Tested
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- In this video I shared the results of my ammo testing in the CZ457 MTR and provided Chronograph and Groups sizes to support my choices.
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0:12 - Thumbnail
0:16 - Overview of the video
2:36 - SK Long Range Match
4:52 - ELEY team
5:21 - ELEY tenex
6:14 - Lapua Center X
7:28 - SK Pistol Match Special
8:06 - RWS Rifle Match
9:26 - RWS R50sc
10:07 - ELEY target
11:23 - Lapua Midas +
12:10 - SK Standard +
0:07 - ELEY target
11:23 - Lapua Midas +
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12:43 - ELEY practice 100
13:17 - SK Rifle Match
13:49 - Pistol Match
14:37 - Results Chart Displayed
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I look for consistency of tight groups. Velocity does not matter to me. Standard deviation does not matter to me. All that matters is consistent, repeatable and tight groups. I hate flyers.
Thanks for the comparison. Looking forward to lot sorting.
Did lot sorting by OAL and weight tonight, hopefully will make the range to record next Friday. Did not do rim thickness I was afraid I'd not have any ammo left. I am looking forward to the results.
Thanks for your help
Chronograph and pay close attention to standard deviation. My MTR w/ cryotreated barrel w/11.5” crown shoots Lapua long range 3.9 standard deviation avg fps 1123. I’m here because Lapua has become hard to get. Midas plus and ten-x are my backup go tos
Great video, thanks for all the cost and work.
My pleasure
I have also been playing with Wolf which is made by Eley and I’ve had good results. Also testing Tac-22 red box which has been very consistent for me. Both of these I’ve been using and testing for practice. For competitions I’ve been sticking with Eley 10X
Interesting video, Bret👍👍👍 that’s a lot of shooting!
Thanks Jonathan, see you Saturday.
Terrific comparison, I feel the ammo types you listed should perform very well in your cz. You are testing better ammo than I typically have access to. I try to go to the range every weekend if possible, I get a lot of trigger time with lower end ammo, I think it helps. Thanks for your time and effort sharing this video
WoW Guy, Do you do any sorting? What rifle do you shoot and what ammo?
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I have been using Aguila 40 gr. super extra lrn ammo. I have shot it in my Vudoo and Cz 457 mtr. I sort ammo using a Raven eye custom gauge and a 1/2" throw max Digital indicator with a flat tip, its easier on my 55 yr old eyes to read a digital readout, I believe it cost roughly 60 dollars for the raven eye, digital gauge and tip set. It takes aprox 8 seconds to measure per round so a little over 5 minutes to sort a box of 50. I measure out to .0005 thousandths. Most ammo averages roughly .041 to .042, I typically sort to 8 batches and use the extreme end ammo to warm a barrel or foul in after cleaning. But last weekend I shot a rim and my vudoo and both shot quite a bit better shooting SK yellow box standard plus, eventually I will buy a chronograph, but as of now I just adjust my ballistic calculator based on point of impact, I have a rough idea of velocity but it would be nice to have good numbers
@@wowguy3562 stop sorting ammo it'd a absolute waste of time. Buy better ammo problem solved
@@samw2768 I actually totally agree, but I live in California and its like an extra 25 bucks to get ammo shipped to my ffl. It usually costs an extra 60 bucks to ship / handle ammo and if I buy only 150 worth, it hurts. I cannot find good ammo in store in southern calif. I get cheap ammo and sort, thats my options. I have found some really out of spec ammo when sorting, and I find my fliers are nearly non existent, so I believe it works sorting rims to .0005th
Very good review. I am fortunate enough to have my own shooting range I mess around with a ton of different brands and I really have had good luck with the norma tac 22 for the price you can't beat it.
My experience with TAC22 is with most 5 Round Groups. 3 will just about be in the same whole and the other two will be in a different galaxy. Weird.
I have had excellent results with the red box Tac-22
Bro I have shot it all and I have 6 czs 3 of which are vpt mtrs and the best ammo you will shoot in a cz is center x an sk standard plus and like I said I have shot it all eley ammo will not shoot in a cz keep up the good work bro
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Would love to see the low es ammo vs the high es ammo att longer distances, like maby 150+ meters.
Maby es/SD matters more farher out.
Good video - appreciate it. I have a 457 LRP and did a lot of testing on it and my gun prefers the RWS Special Match (I shot a .348 size group aggregate avg, on 6 consecutive 5 shots groups at 50 yards - Avg velocity low 1100's fps - with one lot of that ammo). RWS match was quite good as well. The cheapest ammo that did quite well in my gun was RWS Target Rifle where I got one lucky 6 back to back 5 shots groups at .362 avg at 50 yards - but like you said the odd bad flyers with this ammo makes it un-useable in comp.
With all the better Eley ammo, my bolt close is extremely hard and I can't use it. So testing your gun is critical to see what works.
Rifle match was no better than RWS Target Rifle in my gun.
At 50 yards a guy can get away with a higher ES, but the flyers are what will get you. Also a low ES doesn't help my groups sizes in any of my guns per se at 50 yards, but it does at 200 yards.
You can see my groups above at snipers hide if you want to see them.
thanks
Nice consistency
Wonderful comparison. I’ve been on the fence shooting more of the SK Long range (shoot 200 rounds of it). For me SK rifle match has been the winner with an average of .3s which was more consistent than the long range. I guess it really boils down to is lot numbers
That is does, I just got back from my 3 visit to the Lapua testing range in Mesa, AZ
I use SK Pistol match special,weighed into batches with as near to zero weight deviation and they shoot .3-.4 moa at 50mtrs.This costs around AU$ 13 per box.
Shot from my 1967 BRNO [CZ] Mod 2 🙃 Would you consider using a dot as an aiming point on a plain white background ?
There seems to be some deception pertaining to who makes what when it comes to actual ammunition manufacturers of various and obtainable .22 LR match grade. Most that I have used cost far too much with questionable results. My CZ457 MTR seems to prefer the [german made] WOLF brand match grade for 50 meter work. Your information is very helpful for yhose just getting started in this sport, but the old method of trial and error is always present. It takes a while. Also take into consideration that the various brands of .22LR match cartridges use differing amounts of wax bullet lubrication which will account for a certain of problems for bore condition, shot after shot.
Question is the WOLF you shoot ELEY made? If your not sure look at the back of the brass where the firing pen strikes it. I am guessing there is an ‘E’ imprinted on it. Prior to ELEY making the Ammo Lapua made the ammo and there was an imprint of a target on it.
I would rather carry my ammo in a zip lock bag than use the Eley boxes.
Great comparison I have two of the 457 one of them really likes eley tenex but the other I'd be better off throwing the ammunition at the Target Sono two guns actually ever act the same
I believe buying guns can be a bit like buying a lottery ticket and we are looking for the winners. It is kind of a bummer you can’t return a not so accurate rifle but I think there maybe an other option.
Send the rifle back to the manufacture and have them make it right. This can be a timely and maybe a painful process but hopefully the end result will be worth it. I think CZ does a great job supporting their product.
Good work, i think leaving out the fliers is a good idea for seeing what the rifle shoots, how ever listing the number of fliers reflects manufacturing faults and to many is no good for comps. Long range testing needs to be done now, i think a comprimise of group size and low sd is most important .
At this point I agree. One day I may know the secret to shooting 22LR with precision but for now I am enjoying the journey. Most of the time:)
Leaving out fliers is never a good idea. The fliers tell you something is aloof. Hopefully that makes sense to you. Generally it means there is a mechanical issue with the rifle, scope or mounting, poor ammo, or poor shooter. Sometimes just 1, 2 or all 3. If that does not make sense, check out his day at the range challenge scores. In fun shoots like those, targets don't lie. Neither do real life competitions. Those that don't shoot competition, may not understand that.
No i understand, even the most expensive and best lot number may still have 3 to 5 flyers per box, i think we all know a flyer when we see 1, as specially after 40 years of shooting.
If i have a lot shooting in the .1's .2's regularly i wont discard that lot becouse a few flyers scewd the numbers. I will discard the flyers.
I see some CZcamsrs touting Lapua Center X, RWS R 50 and Eley Team. Other of interest-Norma Match or Aguila Long Range and Lapua Biathlon.
Congratulations on the scientific approach for comparisons! How about repeat it with the rifle in a sled to eliminate the human factor?
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thanks for the video and info is great sorry i am new can you polish the trigger for prs 22lr production mach thanks
I know you can shooting ARA but I don’t know about PRS
I’ve had pretty big variance between bricks of the same ammo so I go in and out of accuracy.
That’s not good. When you say “pretty big variance” is that in the shooting or over a chronograph or other? Were the conditions in the environment the same? Hard to believe ammo or rifle being the cause.
Lot numbers of the same ammo give very different results. One lot of Tenex can shoot in the .2’s and the next will shoot in the .6’s. The average tested velocity will be printed on the box with the lot number on a lot of ammo too. Must benchrest folks will lot test and buy a case at a time when they find the right lot for their rifle. Rimfire is a tricky game!
Great work on the ammo testing,it's funny how different ammo works,I have a cz457 varmint that absolutely loves sk pistol match and yours hates it !,how about trying wolf match extra made by eley??
Yes, funny. That’s one way to put it but it is important to be aware of. Also believe it or not lot numbers also make a difference.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV so true..
Nice video. I’m currently looking at buying a CZ At-one or MTR which are both very close in price. Since it seems like you have a lot of experience with both, what would you recommend for just shooting small groups on paper (non competition)?
That is a hard call, both are great so I’ll try to help with some couple comments. I like the AT-ONE stock since it is adjustable so I felt like I could make it fit me but the MTR for me was fine. Some will say a laminated stock stronger then wood. I will say I don’t think the MTR being a match chamber is an advantage. I am a fan of the longer barrel so if you happen to get access to a 24” barrel maybe that is the way I’d lean. I hope this helps, I would not independently wait for the AT-ONE 24: barrel.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV Thanks for the advice! I have actually decided to spend an extra $100 for the Bergara b14 trainer.
That some great information. I shoot the same gun. For 2 years now. On the lapua the will pretty good. One the speed of 275 or 265. I check only the rim thickness. like to see when you do the bullet highth and lead thickness. Come on to east and shoot the Indoor National. at Virginia. Great place to shoot.
No it's not. Those groups are nowhere even close to what he measured them to.
Sam, I measure from Center to Center
Really doesn't matter how you measure or even what the numbers are. The data is the data we can see what ammo is performing the best and that is the ultimate goal... We all know who shoots ARA it is difficult to find that magical lot..... I appreciate your time and efforts. It has helped me in my first year of shooting ARA......
Keep up the good work....
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV that's your problem I described to you bow to measure and not to exclude bad fliers they are part of the group. Ifnthere are definitely 2 different bullet holes you can't tell me it measures .15 while in reality it's closer to .400. You know for a fact if you could shoot those groups all the time you'd never shoot anything other than 2500s On the super easy factory target.
@@davidnelson9568 over shot Ara unlifor almost 7 years now and 22 br for over 10 years. How do evaluate ammo? groups size to determine if it's worth shooting for score. Groups only eliminate the junk ammo. Try and Tell somebody that doesn't know what it takes to shoot at the top of ara. Lmfao
Love to know your sources for ammo.
So what happened to your CZ 457 At-One? You seemed to be shooting that very well! How does this MTR compare?
I like the AT-ONE better mostly because of the stock, it makes it easier to travel the target. I bought the CZ MTR, to see itI can get it shooting and sale it. I will be shooting a Tikka T1x 16” next, look for videos probably mid November. The AT-ONE is coming with me to the Lapua testing range on Nov. 1.
Boy it is hard for me find SK rifle match or long range as far as the Sorting goes I've done it for years I find it makes a little bit of difference but not much in my opinion if you enjoy doing it do it
Thanks John for the input. I am still undecided but all year for the ARA Factory class I did sort by weight.
I thought subsonic was the way to go with precision shooting at 50 yards?
I believe you are correct.
What is your thoughts about sorting by lot numbers?
I have done quite a bit of testing with sorting and I have not decided how critical sorting is at this point. I believe Lot numbers are very important. If you get a lot number that shoots well buy as much as you can.
If you're ammo testing, why would you exclude any shots in a group?
You want to know exactly how it shoots from shot to shot. Not just the good ones. Gotta take the bad too.
Good question. I am “assuming” the outliers can be weeded of from either Sorting, Improved shooting technic or adjustments to the rifle. Beware I know what Assuming stands for. This maybe a faulty practice on my side.
Are you coming to the indoor nationals
I wish, my current work life will not allow me to. With a little luck next year will be different.
At what range did you shoot these at?
Escondido Fish and Game in San Diego County
The only thing I dislike about Eley ammo is the stupid box
I’ll learn ya Shooter!! I did but I left the label on each in , fold it under the lid and it slides like normal, are you not shooting the whole box or taking some home? It stays sticky in case you do take some home.
I have to agree. There is room for improvement or maybe just simplify,
I really shoot at 50 yard and I agree 100%.
Did you stop shooting ARA?
I am still shooting ARA, shooting Unlimited the rest of the year, I shoot two matches next weekend. I am not sure what I’ll shoot next year. Probably start Factory, depend on my ammo inventory.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV People are talking smack because you suddenly stopped shooting after you got your 40 cards.
Appalachained, I really appreciate you telling me that and I completely understand. I have to tell you I had no idea I would shoot this well my first couple of matches and I just kept shooting and happen to be consistent. I was advised to stop shooting after my 40 and I had mixed feelings about about it for sure but I could only assume folks expect my score will go down or I can’t maintain that score. Who knows and I am happy to defined my score. I can’t afford to shoot like the folks who go for points so the fact I can compete on agg. Is refreshing.
I hope those who are taking smack can put them selves in my shoes and consider my strategy. After all, I care more about the respect of my follow shooters then anything else.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I don’t really care what others think. The rule is 40 cards. I’d probably stop too if I had an unlimited gun to shoot. Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to stop. I’m too addicted. I’ve shot matches in 15-20 mph winds just to be able to shoot.
I appreciate your time and your efforts,
Thanks!
Only ten rounds make a group.
I think I am starting to agree with that. Going forward that maybe my new standard moving forward. Thanks for the comment.
Don't discount the fliers. You are just lying to yourself and your viewers, if you do. Fliers indicate a major mechanical issue. You need to address that, to minimize the fliers. Don't just discount them. I see Josh also has the same issue. He tries to bandaid stuff by putting on better barrels, but that's a flawed way to look at things, and it's not fixing the issue.
If your groups were true you would have a cz that would out shoot any br gun on the planet and I know for a fact this isn't the case. You exclude fliers and i see 4 to 5 different bullet holes but measures .18 lmao there's no way in hell that's group is just a bit bigger than one hole. My br gun has shot .046 groups and its literally one hole. You're lieing to yourself and others. Measure the entire group from its largest point including fliers! Then subtract the diameter of the bullet that's how you measure groups. I saw a bunch that said exclude lmfao you can't do that. 13mm at 50 meters for 10 shots is acceptable in br gun at a test tunnel. Your gun would beat those 😂😂🤣😂🤣😂 wrong ! Come on man just stop
Hello Sam, Normally I do not exclude flyers but for bullet testing I did, if I felt they were an outlier. The testing videos are not necessarily about shooting small groups they are about gathering information/data to give guidance. I explain everything I do and the viewer can adjust accordingly. Soon I will be doing more videos related to shooting accuracy or shooting challenges and flyers are included in that type of video. Thanks for the comment and I hope you find something useful.
If there is a specific target or targets you’d like me to measure with Bulletic-X let me know and I’ll consider it.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV lmfao I shoot at the top of ara competition man. I know exactly what it takes to be at the top and you are completely lost. Top shooters aren't out shooting bs ammo to get bs chronograph data it's completely meaningless. Maybe you need to watch some of the top unlimited shooters out there and ask how they go about it. They aren't chasing chronograph data
That is what I am doing, as mentioned in my last video, I am doing this to learn and hope other learn from my experience good or bad. The reason I ask questions is because I don’t know the answer or I have not come up with my own decision on the subject, so your input is appreciated. I have been fortunate enough to shoot next to some of the best shooters and I suck in everything I can get from what they are willing to teach.
Are you the Sam that shoots at Green Sea and at other places?
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV you're lieing to yourself sir. It's that simple. And yes that's me I'm in the top 25 for agg in the country. We chase ammo and groups don't mean much. It will weed out bad ammo but it will not show you how consistent the lot is. Shoot for score to test ammo
@@samw2768 Since you're a "legend in your own mind" why don't you come on You Tube and grace the world's rimfire shooters with your grand "top 25" knowledge without your narssicism and blow hard attitude?