History of WWI Primer 167: British Contract Remington 14 1/2 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Additional reading:
Les Revolvers et les Fusils Nagant
Claud Feys & Rene Smeets
The Classic Remington 14: Plus Models 14 ½ and 141
Ken Blauch
History of Remington Firearms
Roy Marcot
The Herald-Republican, Salt Lake City Utah
Tuesday July 19, 1910
British Secondary Small arms 1914-191 Vol 1: Rifles and Carbines
A.O. Edwards
British Secondary Small arms 1914-191 Vol 2: Aircraft Weapons, Machine-guns & Pistols
A.O. Edwards
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Bruno is going to need therapy after that project.
Nah, just give him some coil springs and plungers to play with and he'll be alright in a couple of years.
Certainly deserves a beverage after that.
Good lord that feed mechanism….was it genius or pure deviltry ? Yes poor Bruno.
Therapy and a raise
Yep. I was just thinking that.
In a trench, in a plane, on a boat, on a train.....I think this episode broke Othais' brain 😂
But seriously these commercial firearms pressed into military service are some of the most interesting episodes.
nice poetry :)
and never in vain!
Good to see my boy Pedersen getting some time in the limelight once again
every part must do many things
Considering the man's guns defy all the conventions about what makes a good commercial firearm (simplicity of manufacture, maintenance, and use), it says something that he managed to make an actual career out of gun design that didn't involve perpetual bankruptcy and/or confidence trickery. One can see why Pedersen never came close to outselling Browning, but one can also see why Pedersen is worthy of more than being a mere footnote.
Indeed Tri.
I'm sure Pederson would have been glad to hear your puerile and childish mutterings,have a nice day sonny
@@genericpersonx333 Many Pederson designs were no more complex than Brownings levers … seems Brownings levers were the epitome of complicated.. even though they worked quite well… and imho Marlins levers were/are a much better designed than Brownings levers. Not really sure what my point is , just rambling
I actually like Bruno's narration of the animation the most. His explanation is very detailed and easy to follow, even for such a complicated mechanism. I really hope that he is willing to narrate future animations as well
Mr. Pedersen was a man who loved coil springs. Mr. Pedersen loved coil springs so much that he designed snug recesses to keep his springs safe. Mr. Pedersen designed complicated, precisely machined poly-faceted surfaces to give his springs employment and safe, healthy exercise. Perhaps as an after-thought, Mr. Pedersen designed guns to give his springs purpose.
I agree. I just hope they eq his voice better next time. May's voice is higher pitched and stronger in the narration making her easier to listen to, imo. Bruno's was, I don't know, duller I guess? It didn't cut through as well as May's. It's lower pitched and quieter, more in the low-mid frequency range. A good deal of this is his mic, but it can be fixed by messing with the eq a bit.
I did like his explanation a lot, though. Maybe it's just due to his greater familiarity with the mechanism or maybe this was just a superior script, but he did a great job.
@@Acre00 for me, I think it's something in his delivery that feels less like reading a script and more like him explaining/narrating his animation. No offense to Mae, but Bruno's voice over just felt better on the ears?
The genius of Pedersen was that he came along after Browning and others had patented the obvious and simple, so he had to come up with mechanisms that accomplished the same thing without using those shortcuts.
What he came up with is always amazing that it works at all, much less as well as it usually did.
absolute mad scientist Pedersen
If I remember correctly, Browning considered Pederson one of the best.
Milking a Moose is extremely dangerous but I trust you know what you’re doing.
Well first you have to get her drunk…
I didn't know it was possible for a pump action to be a mechanical nightmare
It only took a few seconds short of 8 minutes to explain.
@@tenofprime That’s nothing. It only took me 4 minutes to be hopelessly lost! I was constantly going “Wait. What?” Maybe if I get a good nights sleep, I can follow along.
Early ones often were. The Colt Lighting is also rather wonky inside, not quite as bad but there are some weirdly complex parts in there and the early variants have a slightly odd manual of arms. Source: I repaired one. Proof: 15-shot black powder slam fire magdump on my channel.
Did you not see their Remington Model 10 episode? Those things are not very fun to disassemble.
That 70 yard off-hand accuracy was astonishing. Good shooting, Mae!
Bruno does amazing work!
Nice to hear him talk about his creations.
I'll bet Pedersen could even make a single shot rifle complicated !
In this particular case, not so much ‘complicated’ as incorporating ‘problem solving’ requirements.
a trapaziodal travel recoiling rolling block?
I think it is amazing that a video about a rare, WW1 pump action rifle, gets 6000 views in 5 hours. This is a credit to the amazing amount of dedicated hard work that Othais Mae and others from their team, put into these (strangely lovely) productions. Thank you very much and I will chip in to help with the costs.
You know we’re in a bad way right now with ammo prices when 8x50R Lebel is $1.15 a round and 44-40 Win is $3.60 a round for a box of 50🤣
Ian Mc Collum approves ;-)
Jaaaaysus Christ.
Not sure where you are buying 44-40 but it's $1 to $1.50 a round everywhere. There is some niche cowboy action loads that are around $2, but $3.60 is a bit excessive
@@jacktheaviator4938 at the time that video came out. There had been a period of about a year where I had consistently been checking ammo seek to find 44-40 ammo and a listing on a website for an old full box of Winchester silver tip 44-40 was the only thing I could find.
@@Ben_not_10 4 days after that video posted, I bought 200 rounds of Hornady for $1.10 a round, and that was honestly too much, I found it cheaper a couple days later. I shoot ALOT of 44/40 and have never seen anything except the super high end stuff go for over 2$ a round.
Slide Action Kings would be an awesome band name.
Love the episode, poor Bruno having to animate that clockwork nightmare of a gun, I can now see why it was still a work in progress when the Utreon video was released. I also love the ending, the way it tosses in bits of the podcast as well as older episodes that are fun to rewatch will hopefully help with making the mysterious algorithm be more kind to you.
Watching drachs other American shooting experience video made me appreciate just how great your filming setup is. While I always knew you put alot of effort into it. It REALLY shows how different the product is from all that effort. Even given the machine guns in the other video are much cooler guns the video you produced is infinitely better
I'll admit it, I've fallen asleep to "the drydock" way way too many times. Drach is great.
Can you tell me what channel you’re talking about? When I look up „Drachs“ the CZcams search it only shows a channel about warships.
Very interesting, but a little different from small arms.
@@rolux4853 I was talking about this czcams.com/video/9m4Dmj0PNg0/video.html compared to the one C&Rsenal put together for him czcams.com/video/bcDCy2JVFKY/video.html
@@rolux4853 that is the correct channel. He has done some small arms stuff with C&Rsenal and in person tours of ships.
@@rolux4853 "Drachinifel" Yes, it's about Naval history.
This is a case study in:
I shall use my epic engineering skills to solve the myriad of problems my engineering has created
That animation really makes me realize how much we take more modern and simpler firearms designs for granted
Imagine what getting driving directions from Pederson would be like.
It finally happened
Been seeing it teased for a while and now we finally get the knowledge
(Btw, I've had the 14 1/2 chosen as the main weapon for my main character in my 1922 Novel for around 6 months now. Now I can finally get the info I've needed)
Good luck with your writing.
Hopefully your novel works out great. 👍
Your book sounds cool!
Cool video. I inherited a 141 from my great-grandfather. He hated spending money but had an eccentric taste in guns. I'm happy to see the back story of that gun. I had no idea it was a Pedersen design.
Mae looked really happy firing this thing; really translates the 'fun gun' idea (and I mean, a slide action .44-40 just sounds great).
I like how when it's Mae's time to talk Othias decides to talk over her the whole time.
Talking is all Othias has, she gets to shoot all the guns.
Saw this in Drachinifel's video and was looking forward to seeing it being covered by you guys soon, due it being a pump action rifle. And now it's here. Yes!
Nice job Bruno.
I love love love stories of sporting arms being called up for military/police use, 100% my favorite episodes you guys do.
I love reading the Balistol can it reads like a Snake oil concoction.
1:09:51 I need a gif of Othias' reaction. It's priceless.
A friend of mine still hunts deer with a model 14 in 35 Remington. It’s been in her family a long time
Solid cartridge and rifle right there. I'm partial to 30-30 myself but .35 Remington is a solid performer for sure.
A sleek, youthful and powerful Remington 7600 in .35 Whelen sends greetings to a hitherto unknown great uncle. Kudos and thanks to Othais and Mae for straightening out the often mis-remembered family lore.
The internal workings of this thing is fascinatingly complex. Pederson was a genius.
My Remington .44-40 Model 14-1/2, serial 20043, has the DCP Canadian proof. Based on the flush "REM-UMC" ammo indicator, the receiver not being tapped for a tang sight, and the last patent date on the barrel "Nov.19.12" I think my rifle around 1913 production. It's slick and quick handling. How it turned up in central Kentucky I don't know.
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I have a Model 12 my great grandad bought in the mid 1930s. It put many meals on the table. They took great care of it and is a joy to shoot. I would love to pick up a Model 14 to go with it.
Great stuff as always. I have an article coming out in the Armax journal soon about aircrew armament in the First World War, co-authored with Terence Smith who owns the only Enfield that I know of still in its aircraft mount configuration. It only touches on this gun but for those wanting to know more about the wider subject, covers quite a lot of other solutions, from handguns to mounted shotguns and rifles.
Honestly, I'm gonna agree with Browning on that one. Pedersen's designs are not great, but the fact that this nightmare Swiss watch actually works without breaking down on the first shot is a testament that this guy was actually GOOD.
The fact the Model 10, with it's bizarre flipper and ludicrously complicated receiver works _at all_ is an incredible feat of engineering.
Bruno: "So first you pull the trigger, that trips a sear... and eventually after all the bingo balls line up, the plastic mousetrap falls, and jackpot! A fresh cartridge is in the chamber!"
"What if Rube Goldberg was a sadist?" John Pedersen either loved or hated machinists. I'm not sure which.
I have my grandfather's Model 14 in .35 Remington. I originally started using it because it was his, but, boy, was that thing front heavy. I never knew until seeing the animation, how much stuff was going on inside of that thing!
As you can see from the snap caps, the model 14 and 14 1/2 are very sensitive to bullet nose profile. The old 44-40 used a round nose bullet, and the vast majority of modern cowboy loads are flat nosed bullets. They will feed, but they don't feed as reliable. Your best option, especially considering ammo prices, is reloading your own.
I have this very gun with the original Remington paperwork it came with.. the primer came out of the cartridge designation before I received it.. I’m only the second owner of this rifle and have had it since 1972. I hunted deer and other critters with it for probably 10 or so years after that. still a well operating rifle.
Don't ever change Mae!
It's likely the rim or the "primer" section giving you trouble on those particular snap caps. I got some for a .44 revolver and had to file them down some to make them not rub and catch.
Bruno putting in some real work with this animation. 🤯
I have been watching this channel for years, approaching religiously, and I have somehow never seen this episode, nor ever known it existed.
Congratulations for this nice nice video...
I have one Remington 14-1/2 model, 100% original, date of manufacturing, April 1914....., Pre-WWI
Greetings from Spain!!!
This rifle really makes one appreciate the simplicity of leverguns
Holy crap this mechanism is ridiculous and amazing at the same time. It feels like he just went with whatever his first idea was, but then solved any/all problems almost organically by adding on more little plungers, springs and spurs to get more of it to work.
The inner workings of this is a fitting candidate for the definition of “My brain hurts”
Normally when you have a million springs and all kinds of levers and catches, the gun is clunky. I have fired this weapon before, and it is kind of smooth. I never fully stripped one though. The design hurts my brain, but somehow it just works.
I never knew these existed. Very interesting episode.
my father's Remington 12A was the first 22 rifle I ever fired as a kid... true fun... the most fun I ever had was a box of bird shot 22lr and an alfalfa field full of grasshoppers on grandmas farm... hard to have more fun as a 12 year old..
Thank you for making this! The animation was fantastic and extremely helpful to me. I own an old model 141 with a busted breechblock. For over a decade, I haven't been able to find anyone who broke down the function of the breechblock assembly so that I could diagnose what, exactly was wrong with mine. Now I know how it's assembled, how it functions, and that there's a busted internal spring which needs to be replaced. Now off to finding parts and hopefully getting this back functioning after nearly 12 years!
You get it going yet? How was it finding parts?
Pedersen to Remington company officials- "I'll *give* you the design if you agree to buy all the springs from me."
You just showed me 2 things. I don't have to worry about loading my 141 with pointed bullets because of the spiral magazine design, and the bolt reconnect when putting back together. Expand on this and do a 25 minute on the 141 Please! So, I should be able to contact Barnes and get .358 bullets and hunt in Cali no problem.
Don't have to change any internals or barrel?
Excellent animation.fully shows it.and helped me with a problem with mine.thanks.would not have figured it out without it.
Greetings from Australia. Fantastic coverage of the 14 1/2 and my congradulations to Bruno especially for the animations and his understanding. You did forget that the Colt Lightning had a large frame model in 50-95 express although I don't know how common they were and I have never seen one. I am pretty certain that my 14 1/2 only takes 10 rounds; I'll check the barrel length and get back to you, it also shows evidence of rushed construction especially where the but late meets the butt and it lacks the holes drilled for the optional peep sight.
It is one of the Dominion of Canada proofed models and also has the RNAS racking number on the left side near the brass cartridge head; there are a handful of these in Australia but they are still quite rare.
I have one as well in Australia. SW. Qld in fact.
Been very popular with my kids when out shooting with me targeting feral pigs or deer.
Easy to shoot with no big recoil.
Mine has all the proof marks and stamps to confirm it was one of the 4000 Royal Navy rifles.
Wonder how they got down here?
I love how u guys make videos on these guns of our past and give us their history. Keep up the great work. I appreciate all y'all do
Other dimensenial being, love it. Said this before but I’m so happy you have a sponsor. I just went out and bought two more cans so you know it is working
That is one complicated pump-action. Can't believe they actually trusted soldiers to care for them. I was an armorer for soldiers and had to replace small lost parts alot.
I'm actually really excited to hear more about ballistol and other similar products. Not even being sarcastic. Me and my dad have old, sentimental pieces that we still use. They aren't needing a new blue yet, but we would like to hold off on that as long as possible.
Beautiful animation of a complicated action!
I feel like the First WWII Video should be Either the Sequel to a 1911 video, Basically the WWI version episode followed by the WWII version. OR The Mas 36, This show started with a French Rifle and starting the WWII show with a French gun would be great synergy.
Excellent! Very informative, and a thoroughly enjoyable episode. Well done to you all! 👍👏👏👏
Me personally, I think examining the interwar period of thinking and lessons learned from the great war will be increadibly interesting
I have one of those DCP Remington 14 1/2 ! Very well made rifle with a interesting history!! Thanks for the video !!
I wouldn't mind seeing episodes on commercial guns here & there.
This is a commercial gun, he even has footage of the original ads
It's a tad late for this year, but just imagine... Chunky sight image on a "T" shirt and underneath "Lining Up Teeth In A Mouth". Just think of the sales numbers. It's funny and descriptive at the same time. I'm in tears. Nice one Mae 🤣🤣🤣!
A devilishly sneaky midnight video drop? Why don’t mind if I do.
delightfully devilish, Othias
Do whatever pieces you want! I'd watch episodes about commercial guns.
Took apart a Model 14 in .25 Remington the other day.... Was a while before I could figure how to get it back together without a nice instructive video like this. Great little gun, though, and quite accurate at 200-250m. Everybody who sees it, wants it. It is a 1918 produced model, and we have not found any ammo for it where we live. Only 53 rounds from 1932 remaining....
I love balistol.
I am a great fan of your channel and I think this one of your best videos.
That was a great score at auction. I can see you are both pleased with it.
Thanks for looking out for those on the graveyard shift Othais!
Haven’t had the “armistice were declared” interregnum for a while. Good to see it back.
First of yalls videos I've ever watched...Gonna watch more! Great job yall!
The C&R train is finished with WWI and the 1911 is still patiently waiting at the station... one day.
I've handled the 14 and the 14 1/2 when I worked for cabelas had both versions come into the store and your so right. The button on the bolt is so easy to over look when handling.
I can really understand Browning's reaction and comments on the works of Pedersen now. The design works not due to superfluous simplicity, but rather by hinging on its absence.
Thanks!
I don't care what era you go to, I enjoy the content and learn something new with each episode.
Thank you for your video on the 14 1/2 as I have one here in Australia in 44/40 and it’s not working properly this has hopefully given me a better understanding of what might be wrong with it . keep the videos coming please cheers 👍🤠
Thank you for sharing your research
setting the standard for excellence as always
Can always count on Othais and company to find another obscure weapon that was used in the Great War.
Going to have to finish this episode later. Looks great already thought.
I disassembled my Rem. 141 when I first got it and I thought I would never get it back together. John Pederson was a crazy genius.
The later Remington pump rifles made major improvements my inherited 89 7600 in 308 with a varix III 1.5x5 smoothest slide of any shotgun/rifle I've used and it is the sweetheart of my collection Ill be buried with it i believe they absolutely nailed the slide game
Thank you so much.
Impressive job Bruno!
Wild! Love it!
pushing the bolt release button also allows bolt install.
Cool piece.
I love it when Bruno makes an appearance (or voice over)!
Ah, yes, Everyone's favorite steampunk artist, John Pederson.
My Brother had, for awhile, a Remington 760 pump action in 30-06. Not a bad rifle. I used my Grandfathers in 35 Remington for a couple hunting seasons.
Love to see that we are getting back to a great primer episode. Revolvers were getting tedious lol
Ohh that rear sight is exactly like an old BSA air rifle i have lying around. I'd never seen anything like it before.
Nice to find out where the design came from
You should do a Boltening Pt2 : The Interwar years and pickup the development of the major service rifles after WW1.
EXCELLENT - as Usual ! ! !
🙂😎👍
Very interesting!
Othais you owe Bruno a really good Christmas bonus. That’s the most complicated firearm action I’ve ever seen. Also John Moses Browning called Mr. Pedersen one of the greatest gun designers, Holy cow that’s what I like to call a compliment.
Very impressive animation in the video, and you both make interesting hosts! Nice pic on the subject matter never heard of this gun before. I'm hooked... another subscriber…
"I needed closure"
Poor Bruno xD