The Truth about Roland VERSELAB MV1
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with the 1.8 update, I just love it.
The thing that really gets me is a lot of utube 'teachers' said they were going to go deep into it but after one or two simple beat videos they just seeminly abandoned it all together. I'm yet to see anyone write a complete song on it and that's rather frustrating and kinda killed my learning flow. The unit has a pretty steep learning curve and it really feels like roland got there quota, the channels got there clicks, and those who purchased it have been left lost in the woods with the wild dogs. Your right, a few simple updates and it would really shine. Your vids btw probably got me the furthest along in understanding it's flow and quirks.
Thanks that makes me wanna just start loading more videos.
@@paigeandderson please do, it'd be super appreciated 🙂 our musical styles might be worlds apart (i got mine to sequence industrial/nu metal for my band) but the base learning/comp skills still apply the same way. I just want to get comfy with my mv
@@paigeandderson wow the whole time I been watching y'all bro you do music kool that's deep... salute
Not to happy with Roland I bought the toraiz SQUID I love it You are right they made there money and walked I use the mv1 as a tool for now
@@paigeandderson Please do!
I am happy to know someone else is saying what felt about the MV1. I love it but it needs an update.
Everyone this man is telling the truth. He must be stopped. The CZcams production community never tells us the truth about gear. They lie to us to not f@ck up their money. Paige I hope you keep it up.
Good Point Before i got mine I was so excited read the manual a bit Roland had a purchasing package i never got everything in that pack There support team was horrible I put a midi keyboard to the mv1 What i noticed is i could play in the parts keeping Quantize off
Good info. Thanks for posting.
Things got a bit better on the Verselab MV1.
newer firmwares added Import Function Added for MC and MV Production Packs Distributed Via Roland Cloud
Undo/Redo Functions Added
Panning Function for Vocal Takes Added
Function Added to Apply a Fade Out During Mixdown
MFX Types Added
Function Added to Record Messages from External MIDI Devices to MOTION
Parameters Added to MOTION DESIGNER
Virtual Controls Added to MOTION
RANDOM TONE DESIGNER Function Added
SMF Import Function Added
Auto Channel Function Added
Parameters Added to TRACK SETTING for looper tracks
Shortcut Types Added
You know your stuff. You gave great references for older units and put this thing into perspective. Thanks, man.
Sorry bruh, this video is not "the truth", it's actually full of mistakes and misrepresentations.
1. Live sample time is 63 seconds. however if you instead import a WAV file from the SD card, the time limit 12 min mono, 6 min. stereo. That same larger memory partition is shared by the vocal track.
2. Note edit works fine. STA stands for the start of the note. You can shift notes forwards and backwards by percent of a beat. a half-note is 50, quarter-note 25, etc. Most of the timeline functions like note length, vocal takes, etc. are displayed in measure:beat:percentage of the beat.
3. The original TR-808 only had step sequencing, no unquantized recording, no note shift, no swing (aside from triplet time signature) and no recording of tapping drum pads (only a single trigger button). To say the sequencer is basically like an 808 ignores 3/4s of the sequencing features.
4. If you want to "erase a little piece of a part that you played" all you have to do is while REC is engaged. hold the CLEAR button or if you want to delete the notes on a particular step, hold CLEAR and tap the step.
5. In SEQ mode you can always tell where you are. You have measure indicators on the left (under the pad mode buttons) and the step buttons in the center. They function the same as having a measure:step indicator on the screen like an MMT-8 (I had one in the early 90's myself).
6. The Verselab isn't meant to be a sampling workstation for making samplepacks but if you want to save audio directly to a folder on the SD card all you have to do is resample and export the audio while it's still in the sample buffer instead of adding it a track. They’ll be in the export folder.
7. The Verselab isn't designed to be the centerpiece of a large hardware studio like an MPC. It's more for solo artists to sit with a pair of headphones, a mic, and something to say. You have to consider that when looking at the features and workflow. Of course there are some limitations (undo/redo would be nice), but I know for a fact that Roland is actively working on the firmware.
Thanks for your comment watched your video on the unit. Good Stuff. One mintute three seconds is 63 seconds. "About" was used as a estimate not an actual. I stated work arounds once or twice as to how to do things that would be standard on competitive units. I love and use the intrument almost everyday. I spent the Spring, Summer and beginning of the Fall using the unit creating and tearing apart songs. STA start of note addresses that when I need to move something it was not of the standard the the Alesis MMT-8 from about 25 years ago. You know about the TR 808 so I know you realize some of the way this unit fuctions could be a little dated. All stated with Love and no Hate.
Paige Andderson Thanks again!!
I read your comment then went through the video time line. I am wondering why you are fighting with a man who stated he opinion on gear he has purchased and is still using. Then I went to you channel. You work with the company so you did not hear him you just saw red. He stated the instrument has a minute and three second of sample time for which you agree as 63 seconds is one minute and three second. He did not go into debt on the vocal track explaining that the MV-1 could have more sample time on the vocal track. When he spoke on the STA (Start of Note function) he was talking about moving notes. He even pulled out a old school machine to show that 2021 tech should be better than 1987 tech.
@@mannythebankman7423 First of all, although I occasionally do contract work for Roland (and other music companies), I’m not a Roland employee. All my thoughts and comments are my own. The sampling buffer is 63 seconds, but as soon as you take that sample and assign it to a drum pad, it uses a different memory partition which is 12 minutes mono/6 minutes stereo. If you import a sample from the SD card you bypass the buffer all together. So to say “the sample time is about a minute” when it’s actually up to 12 minutes is a misrepresentation. That same memory partition is used by the vocal track, so if you only used the internal sounds and no samples you have up to 12 minutes recording time…he stated “about 4”
I don’t argue opinions. You can like or dislike whatever you want, however facts are facts. There were quantifiable mistruths said in a video claiming to be “the truth about the verselab”. that needed correcting and to be called out as I know the machine really well.
He said while editing notes there was no way to shift the notes in a musical value, which is simply not true. He just didn’t understand that on the Verselab it’s displayed in percentage of a beat,. If you want to move a note a half step behind, the STA would be -50, quarter note 25, move a note to the next step is 100, etc.
He said you couldn’t delete a particular part of a phrase, when all you have to do hold down the clear button while recording is engaged or just hold clear and press the step.
Stuff like this aren’t “workarounds” just basic knowledge on how the machine works.
@@cooloutbeats If only Roland would DOCUMENT these things better, or period. Roland should have video manuals all over YT, helping its customers, both current and Prospective.. yes?
@@vccranker There's a video manual for the Verselab on Roland's youtube channel plus they offer free live online classes each month covering both basic and advanced concepts. There's also the facebook group for Verselab users where you can ask questions and get help. There are plenty of resources if you invest the time, research, ask questions, and learn.
The Verselab is both simple and complex in my opinion. Simple in that the workflow is very focused and guided to do one thing (bang out finished songs). Simple in that there are limitations. Complex in that the pursuit of that purpose covers the whole range and history of music production plus you have to work within the unit's limitations. You can still get plenty of stuff done with it and I love the Verselab.
Finally you said it!! i agree with everything you said in this video man and truth be told NO ONE has yet to do what YOU have done with this unit FACTS!! ...Great unit but LACKING..I too want to love on this unit because of the totally AWESOME sounds but it lacks the capability that me as a producer needs.and like you said bro THIS IS 2021 WE shouldnt be doing all the WORK AROUNDS it takes to make this unit fuction right period....1 love brother.
Both of you guys seem to know this unit very well! Salute to both of you for posting well thought out videos! Dropping knowledge! Keep up the great content!
Personally, I think under the new Roland management that they dropped the ball on bringing out this "MV" series unit. It does not hold a torch to the original MV-8000/8800 series. The older MV's were true DAW workstations in a box and have features that some of the new hardware of other competitors today are just coming to use and these Roland MV units were out since since 2003/2007.
I have noticed that Roland's answer to other hardware manufacturers usually requires them to 'gimp' their offering by providing some weird workflow and/or some constraints to what said hardware can do - it would be nice if they had a viable competitor to Akai's MPC line of gear which does some of what the MV8000/8800 did back then. In addition, there are still many features that old gear had that the new Akai MPCs still can't do. I wish Roland would get back to what they did best back in the day and that was coming up with innovative products that pushed the boundaries of hardware. I can only hope, but I digress.
On another note, I'm sure there are those that may disagree with my comments here base on your personal experiences so YMMV.
Thanks for the review....This is the best and most honest review on the unit...I knew it wasn't as great as some tried to make it seem... You broke it down perfectly ...old sounds, repackaged in a new device
Send all your input to Roland, the support team says there is an update coming but they do not know when. You should talk a bit more about Zenbeats and how a good Zenbeats integration could possible make it a lot easier to use and edit things, as you could potentially use a phone or an iPad as an extra screen for more control and to be able to access more controls and get into a better edit mode for vocals and other tracks and sounds?? For me, if it was easier to build a sequence, and get your settings right for Vocals and be able to edit all your vocals and add more via Zenbeats, I would be so happy. The huge problem is if Roland does not even focus on given it the hard work and create a lot of good tutorials, who will??? Roland wants a lazy win, it is not going to happen! They have to do the hard work to win against MPC and Maschine. It is so many things you can learn from other products that are not in the music industry on how to make it easy to use and integrate with Zenbeats for next level guidance on how to use it, get more control, be able to edit more and add more tracks, etc etc etc
Paige, I too feel the the serious potential of this unit. The hardware feels flawless but the software needs love! If Roland can't or won't, maybe we should petition to make the firmware open source. We now live in a world where some things stop working intentionally after a certain number of years, clicks, whatever. So sad!
Did you do the survey to address these things?
You know Roland is Famous for walking away
..something we should all do to the democratic party.. just sayin' lol
Thanks for this great video. Did the last firmware update change your opinion about the challenge you are facing with the MV-1?
The real deal
Like you I am a hardware guy also. A lot of the cons are disturbing. The new mpc series are daw killers especially since the 2.10 update.
Yes, songmode has to work like the Instruments. I would pay for that upgrade. 🙏
Best video on this unit BAR NONE. Keep grinding bro. Clicked the sub button.
It isn’t an MV-8800 for sure. It’s too limited for my use. I use MPCs (Live 2 and One) because they do what I want to do.
I'm keeping mine , but the workflow on this piece is hard to get fast at and usually sucks the life out of a session.
First honest review, I have seen.
I'm only learning about this now. Apparently it got an undo update, not sure about re-do. I would like to see a list of all the new features between the first firmware and the latest update. I wonder if they list them all and all the changes on the downloads page? I think it's Clear plus the sequence button to undo now.
All of the marketing Roland has put forth to promote the Verselab has mislead a lot of people (based on youtube user comments numerous music forums) into thinking this thing is only for EDM and Trap/Hiphop. Let me tell you, that is far from the truth. Yes, the obvious target demographic are EDM, Rap, Hiphop creators, but that's just scratching the surface. The flexibility of this machine is unbelievable. I use the MV-1 only to play live techno and trip-hop chill out and don t care of song mode ,what you do with the verselab is a personnal thing!t you are miss leading people ,the MV-1 is for anyone as you can do anything with it and not just to use it as a daw keep in mind it has 128 voice polyphonie...think about elektron has 16 ,Novation circuit 12 ,akai mpc one 64 ,korg electribe 32! the zencore engine is a killer ,in fact you can buy it just to play synth ,and don t neglect the 91 expensions itch cost ridiculous 1 dollars§got all of them what is 5000 synthetiseurs presets on board!
Thanks for your comment. The way you use the unit is the way they design and promoted the MC 707 and MC 101. Roland Verselab was promoted as a DAW.
Have you watched any of Paige's videos. He has tutorials and songs he has created using the Verselab MV-1. He has Rock songs, Dance songs and even a 3/4 time song on his channel. He did not say the unit was crap. He just stated it could be updated and made better. This MV-1 was promoted as a DAW in a Groovebox platform.
interesting - where can we hear that?
Sorry but Altar Beatz seems to have a lot of fun with it. Made many songs with it. So how is this possible than? I do not think he is sponsored anyway and with his little channel to even put so much time in it to even make up for it in a sponsor deal to make so many mv-1 songs in that time. So that def looks all 100% legit.
This was not a negative video in any way. I have done 11 videos on the unit myself. (czcams.com/video/CnDh-pCzSLc/video.html) I have pushed the unit hard. I now know where the bugs and short comings are. So I am able to state them with love for the unit. Truly the upates I have spoken about would make the unit better.
Would this unit be good for performing live electronic music? Like Ableton?
Thanks dude. You said important things.
I hate it when I switch from Seq to Section mode that I have a play interruption. Even when I switch from Section Mode to Seq Mode, an interruption can also be heard and that's a pity.
Do you use the mv1 for mix bus effects, or mastering? If not what tools do you apply mix bus effects and mastering with?
Now you know Roland is famous for walk on by
Its frustrating there is no dawless box. With all of them there are fiddly problems and you can't make something that isn't pretty fucking simple when it comes down to it. Maybe we're spoilt with daws when we can just add a nice backwards clap on the 4th beat so easily, but try that on Maschine or anything else, its so annoying to have to stop and think how to do basic actions.
It pays to read the reviews for any newcomers, but for now there is no box good enough. But if you can simplify your tracks and work with the limitations, you can treat your box like a fun unit and put aside high expectations
If you look at the Maschine or MPC, you see a lot more full productions on those, MV1, non!!!
Hello Paige...I need to get in touch with you!
Roland MV-1 should’ve been what the Pioneer SP16 was
Hey brother is it that you can download and use only certain sounds from the roland site?
Thanks for tyhe comment Bro. Yes and that is another thing I left out on the video. I use the MV-1 in almost all of my projects. I just wished an actual beat maker or producer had a say so in the design and function of the instrument.
the verselab is very limited roland pulled wool over somebodys eyes
Just letting you know in advance that I want to sample your voice darling x
Great video bro, lol for marketing purposes…. The put the title MV, like it’s classic Roland Mv 8800-8000. Like you said it’s 2021, also look at that little ass screen 👎🏾.