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Is Quantum Slipstream the Future of Starfleet?
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2019
- Star Trek has lots of faster-than-light technologies and I think it's time we looked into them, beginning with the Quantum Slipstream Drive first seen from species 116 in the Delta Quadrant and later replicated by the USS Voyager.
This video explains why I believe it to be the future for Starfleet interstellar travel as many extra-canonical sources go on to speculate.
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All ships automagically get a slip stream drive as soon as their captain reaches level 50.
lol. I'm more amused at the general fact that my ship keeps getting faster as I level up, even though it's the same ship with the same technology.
Oh, and of course the instant 'get back to earth' button with the 30 minute cooldown...
@@KuraIthys Obviously the captain's strength inspires the ship to push harder.
Ah! The "I Wish We Had This Button Back on Voyager!" Button, @@KuraIthys.
@@KuraIthys first off, the levelless cores/engines rise in level with the captain, thats why u get faster (would u use a MkII u would keep Warp 5 all the time, no matter if level 10 or 65) and the CD of the Transwarp button is just a gamemechanics, not lore in any ways, think of it as ur crew start its long boring way home, u just spared to sit around watching it lol
As the captains level up, they get better at getting past all those, ”I’m giving her all she’s got Captain,” excuses from engineering.
Say what you will about Janeway, she would roll up her sleeves and get her hands dirty in engineering.
Nobody assimilates technology like the Federation. Even the Borg!
Untrue. Just go back and watch all the series. I think that Starfleet has Indiana Jones style warehouses full of tech that they have acquired and never bothered to do anything with. This is probably the real reason that the Borg want to assimilate Earth.
I think you mean the Kushan from Homeworld. Damn near "salvaged" an entire empire and turned their tech against them in months.
If you have massive capital ships and you see a fleet of Salvage Corvettes coming at you, know you are the one on the back foot.
Just tell that to star trek enterprise, about half of the dialog from Vulcans in that show was them saying that they wont share their tech with humanity. Think of the 12ish starfleet personnel who could have been saved!
@@samueleveleigh2767 - Yeah, but that was just desserts. Archer himself would withhold both warp drive technology *and* the actual cure for the disease that was *killing their species* from the Valakians. All because interference is *always* wrong (except when it means having cool stuff be given to Humans).
@@daniels7907 what about archers long held grudge against Vulcans for not helping and even discouraging the development of the warp 5 tech, from his POV they were holding humanity back, from theirs it was stoping humanity blowing themselves back to the stone age... Again...
As long as they also expand the reaches of spaces itself, slipstream drive is fine. Who wouldn't like to see a 5 years expedition to the Magellanic clouds?
ENTERPRISE - H does that.
@@franklynne3637 The Milky Way galaxy, the one we live in, is divided up (in Trek; astronomers use a different system) into four quadrants : Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta. Earth lies on the dividing line between Alpha and Beta Quadrants. The Milky Way, however, has multiple satellite galaxies orbiting it, with the largest examples being the Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds. (Some of the galaxies actually go through the plane of the Milky Way, and leave an arc of stellar debris behind; several are believed to have been incorporated into the Milky Way itself this way!)
Ric's concern, I think, is that a fully-functional slipstream drive might make Trek-space start to seem small, kind of like the way the Star Wars home galaxy has trivialized the trip from near galactic center to the Outer Rim. However, as deinke points out, that just means we need to expand our definition of "local space" to include these satellite galaxies. That gives us plenty of space to explore for the indefinite future.
@@franklynne3637 You could have expeditions to the "Episilon, Zeta, Eta and Theta quadrants" of the Andromeda galaxy.
@@ummdustry5718 I don't think they'd be named that way. Each galaxy should have its' own Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta quadrants - since a quadrant defines a specific region of an area, Andromeda would have its' own A, B, G, and D quadrants. It would also make things simpler for recordskeeping, and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of quadrant designations, either.
I wouldn't send manned missions to Andromeda (at least, at first); I'd send robotic ships that would simply collect data, and then return to the Milky Way so that Star Fleet can better plan manned missions later. Robotic ships would be far less expensive to build and maintain, too - no life support, no space for crew, etc. And the computers aboard the ships could be programmed to greet any aliens they encounter, in the name of the Federation - and have the ability to bring any replies back with them (along with scans of those civilizations, of course). Once Star Fleet built up a big enough database on Andromeda, THEN you could plan manned missions.
Especially given that the Kelvans left Andromeda due to rising levels of radiation throughout the galaxy and the Iconians (according to STO) have a major presence there.
I think the QS is a good addition to the ships. And there's no worry about making space "less big" as space is just that big. Even if the Milky Way gets a little bit smaller, there's always the Magellanic Clouds and even Andromeda.
Don't forget Triangulum
Don't forget there's still a great energy barrier surrounding the star trek milky way galaxy.
@@thanqualthehighseer Which you can get through with enough momentum and the right shielding. Or just bypass it, Enterprise J style.
there are billions of other galaxies....only through a wormhole can go to them
Magellanic Cloud? Thats where the Daleks come from!
Until something tells me otherwise, I do consider ST:O's timeline the true post-Voyager canon and it does make sense that after Voyager returns to Earth and Star Fleet scientists were able to look at the quantum slipstream data, they'd be able to refine Voyager's work and make a functioning drive. It's just far too tempting not to peruse since they know it can work, it just needs some technical tinkering to adapt to Star Fleet tech.
Except Janeway would be tried for her crimes and found guilty
I think the UFP / StarFleet will have many forms of FTL, not just Warp Drive & Quantum SlipStream.
Each form of FTL will have it's strengths / weaknesses along with different requirements.
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@OriginalTharios Technically a real Warp Drive (as in, an Alcubierre Drive) could very much travel faster than the speed of light, since the ship itself isn't actually moving (and therefore not violating any universal speed limits).
@OriginalTharios Warp drive/Alcubierre drive may or may not let you travel at FTL. It probably can, but this is far from certain. Just stating it can at best propel you at lightspeed is something you cannot do. If it is, you should goto the nasa lab and show the people doing the warp field experiments your proven math so we can get it going.
@@SeraphArmaros That sort of engine only allows a spacecraft to move as fast as the expansion of the universe, i.e. the speed of light/time.
Quantum Slipstream also requires compatible hull geometry as well. I remember it being specifically mentioned that while the Intrepid-Class was compatible, the Sovereign-Class was not.
I think that slipstream drive should be incorporated into starships as the primary, faster, way of travel, while keeping warp drive as a backup or for when you don't need to hurry to get somewhere.
And use impulse power when they want to kill some time
Its freaking awesome! Star trek: Andromeda is up next.
I like it.......1) It's an organic evolution of established canon, which is something that fans like. 2) It has built in limitations with easy story hooks involving practically every single race and location in Star Trek, which is something that writers like AND..........3) Quantum Slipstream Drive sounds cool......something that TV executives like. It's practically perfect in every way.
First of all, the USS Waltham is a really cool looking ship.
I believe the federation was able to recreate and use the slipstream drive as standard propulsion technology in 25th cent. I hope we will se this technology in the new Picard show. I hope we will see a lot of new technology. I mean, that's Star Trek, an inspiration for all comming technicians and scientists.
Is that the STO design in the video?
But the Dominion was around 2-10000 years old and was run by immortal shapeshifters. Where was their transwarp.
@@holdyup1037 yeah, their ship kicks butt. Sorry captain kirk (he's always been my go to captain).
I wonder, if ships with Quantum Slipstream drives could traverse regions of space, which had been effected by an Omega explosion.
If true, FTL travel would not be at risk anymore. Would Starfleet/FED continue research on Omega? Or would they still deem it to dangerous?
Still to dangerous it may not effect them but it would effect developing species
there are several problems with this.
first off, thee explosion of omega particles would still devestate entire systems.
secondly, it could break starfleets first contact protocol, you do (apparently) need to have an equivalent to a warp core (artificial singularities work too at least according to STO) to use slipstream technology if warp travel is no longer possible, any species living in the effected space, can never develop warp technology, meaning they can never be contacted by the federation and are therefore stuck in their own system until their homeworld becomes uninhabitable for whichever reason.
There's another benefit to Quantum slipstream, warp drives according to TNG produces a sort of subspace disruption, i.e. its Star Trek's version of carbon emissions, so Quantum slipstream drives are like electric engines. I think Modern Starfleet ships like STO's ships are acting like hybrid cars running on both systems, improving efficiency and travel potential on a single tank :)
Quantum slipstream still uses subspace and a ships still needs to use subspace physics based technology to operate such as shield, sensors and a power source as omega destroys subspace the ship would ether lose power and just stop working or get thrown out of slipstream like a car hitting a brick wall and torn apart. So no really
@@windhelmguard5295 what if they performed the Omega experiments in the area that was already affected? You can't double destroy subspace right?
It always bugged me that Voyager didn't make smaller jumps using the drive.
Paris :"It becomes unstable after 15 seconds in".
Janeway and the crew : "Lets roll the dice as usual"
Ensin with low voice:" We COULD just pop in and out every 14 seconds since that's still hundreds of light years of travel per interval and we don't even need to take any new precautions or risks"
Everyone: *crickets*
same, just use for about 10 sec to have a nice buffers and shave a few weeks/months off the trip and use warp while it is in cool down, but that would have ruined the whole "lost in space" thing, so yeah.
@@MrBottlecapBill imagine only 3 seasons of voyager instead of 5 (or was it 7) and no more adventures, just episodes and episodes of the crew executing a jump every minute for 14 seconds.
The benamite crystals degrade quickly, and they're very difficult to replicate.
They could've said the crystals could only be used once.
I always thought quantum slipstream was going to become the next standard propulsion method as Borg transwarp requires corridors and isn't as compatible with existing federation warp drives.
btw Great video as always :)
Yes but the sheer speed of transwarp makes the build out and maintenance of essentially hyperspace lanes worthwhile. Being able to get anywhere in the galaxy in a fraction of a percent of the time warp would take.
@@M33f3r While that's true, I'd think that most vessels (at least starfleet ones) would still require some sort of corridor-independent and fast propulsion. If you want to go where no one has gone before, it's quite the drawback if you can't leave the road...
Transwarp doesn't need corridors. When Voyager crew stole a transwarp coil from a Borg sphere they installed it into the Delta flyer and was able to travel at transwarp speeds without having to go through any corridors.
@@gnryushi I think to achive higher speeds and/or longer sustained travel time you'd need a corridor like the borg use
@@lordkekz4 Borg corridors allowed deployments of vessels within minutes instead of weeks. It was many times faster but species like the Voth or species 116 had no need for corridors as we know. They had achieved transwarp for many centuries.
Slipstream /Transwarp should be add to canon but with limits. Short jumps and after few jumps ship need check in shipyard.
No
Depending on various important conditions. The Aventine has over 500 hours on her Slipstream Drive
It works well in Star Trek online
My suggestion in a short story, I developed, was the use of Tash's subspace catapult. They can replicate this technology (which is another modified replic of Caretakers phalanx) and build some of these catapults in the reach of every starbase and Federation main system. So you can simply jump from one system to another in neighborhood and than use the next catapult. This idea came from Stargate.
@ I don't know if it would be useful for anything other than long distance though.
If it would be possible to make work.
I think the q slipstream is a very nice addition. It's faster than warp, but also quite slower than transwarp. The usage of short 'bursts' of slipstream like those in sto, 30 - 60 seconds, is what we need. Shortening the trip significantly, but not too much to make space feel small.
Slipstream is travelling in subspace
It’s basically a hyperdrive from other sci-fi like stargate
Keep in mind the “warp core” isn’t responsible for the warp itself it’s essentially an antimatter annihilation reactor. That provides MASSIVE amounts of power to the warp coils. In the necells
As seen in voyager using slipstream they transfer the energy into the deflector to create slipstream field a bubble allowing the ship to jump into subspace this obviously requires a lot of power. And some modifications to the warp reactor
This also easily explains how they can go from warp to slipstream with one core they must have built a mechanism that shifts the power to the deflector instead of the coils
Those kind of confusions happen when you have writers who are not reasonably versed in Star Trek. There are still those who think Dilithium crystals are the fuel for Star Trek vessels.
DocWolph lol yes I know lol I had an argument with someone about this it’s just heavy water as we know it
If I remember the crystals are just a reaction control mechanism for the matter antimatter annihilation
Dilithium crystals were also used as CAPACITORS as well, in TOS. But the matter/antimatter integrator was also soon featured as well.
@@Marcus51090 Dude, you're thinking of Deuterium, an isotope of Hydrogen. Dilithium would be an isotope of Lithium.
The Keeper least they won’t be depressed
I’ve been searching the inter webs for nice explanation like this on slipstream for quite some time. Thank you very much. It lessens the vastness of the galaxy but not space. Even with slipstream drive to cross over to the nearest galaxy would take quite a long time.
Well, considering Voyager could make it home in less than a day, let's say about 50k light years / day. It's 2.5 million light years to Andromeda, so 50 days. Considering many Federations ships could go weeks without resupplying (and Andromeda is not the closest Galaxy to the Milky Way), it wouldn't be hard to rename the show Galaxy Trek.
The Dauntless class is freakin awesome. It was my first t6 ship in STO. Using the Particle Synthesizer to turn large enemies into tiny copies of you for a brief period is always good for a laugh.
Andromeda was able to make use of Quantum Slipstream by introducing a number of problems that you couldn't get around.
The first was that the network felt like it was alive, and therefore it was too chaotic for computers to be able to safely travel through. Only biological intuition could successfully navigate it.
The second was that the further you wanted to go, the more stops you'd have to make. You generally couldn't just slip to a distant point. You had to slip to multiple points along a path to get somewhere distant. This meant that intragalactic travel was fairly easy, but intergalactic travel still took time and was also very taxing on pilots.
So Star Trek could just introduce some problems with distant travel or something in order to get around plot points.
You're forgetting the traveler from TNG who increased the speed of the Enterprise with his thoughts
Starfleet is vehemently opposed to playing around with the "supernatural" in all but the most limited ways (e.g. "Captain, I sense danger!"). Anything that implies "magic" triggers their Atheism.
@@michaeljurney8354 - He didn't question the absurdity because Starfleet had already had *many* encounters with beings whose powers defied scientific explanation. Including Picard's own encounter with Q, who was *far* more powerful than the Traveler.
However, you might notice that Starfleet lacks *any* scientific projects to try to turn their knowledge of the existence of such powers into repeatable science. They do not even have formal training for psychic Federation species. Individuals such as Spock, Troi and Tuvok received their training on their home planets and are not held to any kind of standardized training regimen. If the individual insists that something is beyond their personal abilities or skills, that is usually accepted as an answer without further questions.
Starfleet, as a rule, avoids "paranormal" abilities in favor of technological solutions. Which is probably a bias driven by the fact that few Humans possess any sort of powers and Starfleet is Human-dominated.
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Haha, I can just imagine some random ensign sitting down to lunch when Picard speaks over the intercom airplane pilot style. "Uhhh, this is your captain speaking. We seem to have been thrown into the limits of space where thought transcends reality by a being capable of manipulating warp fields with his mind. Please put on your seatbelts and think happy thoughts." He is left speachless, but his crew mate beside him rolls her eyes, because its just another Monday for her.
@@daniels7907 Yeah, there really should have been some sort of hand wave plot point on why every stray thought wasn't made into a reality. I know in the Roddenberry future, humans are "evolved" but I have limits on my suspension of disbelief.
One thing about Voyager's use of Borg transwarp as well as slipstream, they always worked fine for about 25 seconds and then they dangerously blew out. I always felt the solution was a 15 second cut off. It might have taken a while, but they could have made it home in a reasonable time frame.
quantum slipstream are the coolest words put together
Quantum Slipstream is Star Trek's version of a Hyperspace Drive, similar to what is used in Stargate. It has obvious advantages over Warp Drive regarding speed. But it does have the same disadvantages as Hyperspace travel; No "windows". A ship travelling via Quantum Slipstream has no idea what is happening outside that slipstream in normal space. So far TRUE exploration, Warp travel (while much slower) does allow a ship to scan the areas of space they are traversing. And fully incorporating Quantum Slipstream drive would drastically alter the Star Trek experience.
Seems legit. Although limited sensor agility might yet be developed for former.
I think they should put slipstream tech in every starfleet vessel, it could give them an extra boost into unknown far reaches of space exploration, but carefully monitored, that would be a great idea.
what about co-axial warp drive, it seemed to be something that the federation were already within reach.
there's also the subspace inversion technique used in the NextGen episode Nth Degree...used by the Cytherians (using Lt. Reginald Barclay's amazing brain (mostly) as a bipedal conduit) to transport the Enterprise to the near center of the Milky Way and then back again...it was stated that the technology the Cytherians provided would take decades to unravel and understand...so there might be a multi stage progression as to how speed is implemented and the justifications at the time....still speculating that there will be a form of ships drive that will employ a stable form of Omega particles(tm)...eventually at least.
@@scottmantooth8785
The Space Fold, the Subspace inversion, as it was referred, is still too far ahead of the Federation's most advanced thinking to make work without some hyperbrain running the system. This makes the case that the next most important advance will be intelligence or computational, not a new power source or propulsion system. If only they had some idea of how Barkley's brains was working at the time, this would be an easier Gordian Knot to unravel.
I think this would be an ideal topic to cover next - Voyager also managed to get a coaxial warp drive working on a shuttle and while it appears to have been just as risky as the quantum slipstream drive, there might be the possibility that Starfleet could iron out the kinks in this technology as well.
Perhaps there would be a case for one technology for smaller ships e.g. shuttlecraft and one for larger ones like starships. I would hazard a guess that as shown in Voyager, smaller ships are better suited to quantum slipstream drives as they can react more about quickly to fluctuations in the slipstream whereas larger ships might be better suited to coaxial warp drives. Or it could even be that it's a "VHS versus Betamax" thing and the two technologies would battle it out to see which will be the next big leap in terms of propulsion!
@@DocWolph possibly requiring some form of
bio neural hyper phase AI navigational system that exists in between standard and subspace but still linked to the ships systems...not that the Federation is ready to hand over complete control to an artificial intelligence completely...even Data had his limitations...but was still trusted to preform computations and complex duties without question...but he ALWAYS relinquished command when the situation was over...
@@DocWolph I agree with Doc; you're talking about a technology that I don't even think 30th century Star Fleet would've mastered in its' time (even with time travel and timeships). The amount of sheer computing power that would require would be far in the future; and would most likely require some kind of human/computer merged entity to pull off. The fact that you never saw technology like that with the Borg, either, probably means its' too unique for even them to master - assuming they knew about it (or theorized its' existence).
It's strange that the only real competitor to something like that, even on a capability scale...would be USS Discovery's spore drive technology; which also has the potential to cross into parallel universes.
Thanks for your video on the slipstream drive.
Nothing lessens the vastness of space. Maybe in future Star Trek shows we can see the Federation finally reach out to a point in space where the aliens aren't 99% humanoid with stuff on their face. Maybe they can go out passed that point where Wesley and that weird traveler guy took the Enterprise, you know, where space was all milky and pastel shapes.
some of the less interesting places in space are in fact very small and attract very little attention of tourism...very sad for the native populations who depend on it...
Aliens that aren't 99% humanoid require a lot of expensive CGI
Don't forget that Space is constantly expanding and we are one of millions of Galaxies, Time-Lines, Parallel Universes, Dimensions, etc. There are PLENTY of things to explore IMO.
That was the edge of the universe. Not the observable one, but the very edge of the universe. Can't really go past that point as it is being created.
@@Adjuni It would be fascinating to see how long it would take to reach the absolute edge of the universe =D.
I've had a lot of fun over the years working out my own theory of how such a drive would work, and why it would be needed. (head canon, as some people call it.) This personal theory of mine is that at high warp velocities, a bow wave of virtual particles builds up in front of the warp bubble that surrounds the ship. Quantum slipstream is not so much about engine power, but being able to project a superluminal energy field ahead of the ship, that somehow suppresses the formation of those virtual particles.
Slipstream Drive might tie Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda and Star Trek universes together
And
I think we may see some unused "Andromeda" scripts resurface on "Discovery" the way "Star Trek: Phase II" scripts were recycled for STNG. We'll know for sure if the character Dylan Hunt shows up, who's name itself was recycled from "Genesis II" to Andromeda".
@@martykarr7058 Just like Data was a recycled version of Questor, from "The Questor Tapes". I have DVD's of Genesis II, Planet Earth, and the Questor Tapes. I would like to see the Questor Tapes made in to a Series.
@@wildstar1063 I don't see it happening any time soon. TV seems to be dominated by superheros and the supernatural, with few real SF programs, like "The Expanse(which I think will go DS9 this season) and the Lost in Space reboot. But I AM expecting the name Dylan Hunt to pop up in the next season of Discovery.
Hm, speaking of GR...
I'd love to see an Eagle flying along a starship...
Slipstream is the natural evolution. I hope they integrate into the series/movies going forward.
Concerning Voyager, I believe the crew should've used the drive for short bursts. Engage, then drop out after 60 seconds. Rinse and repeat until you either make it home or things start to break down.
Clearly all they need to do is paint the Slipstream drive red and it'll work better - just ask any Ork.
Waaaaaggghhhh, sorry I had something in my throat...
The first time l heard slipstream in the quantum slipstream drive, another tv show came into my mind: Andromeda. By the way another fiction created by the creator of Star Trek: Gene Roddenberry. 😊
I find it interesting that Star Trek basically returns to the pre-Einsteinian veiw of an aether suffusing space to get around the speed limitations of Warp Drive and the astounding bigness of even just our galaxy. They never really develop the tech or even the technobabble around the Quantum Slipstream. What happens if you want to go "upstream" for example? (The stream always seemed to be flowing exactly the direction the Voyager was traveling.) Or even perpendicular to the stream? Does that kill any speed advantage the Quantum Slipstream gives you? Are there ways to tack against the current? Are there discrete quantum frequencies that all stream in different directions that you can tune your engine field to so that you always find a current flowing your direction? Is the Quantum Slipstreams just flowing all directions at once and doesn't settle on a vector until you're actively observing it? Does the drive actually create a current flowing through the quantum aether that the ship can ride? At what point will Jim Hawkins and the RLS Legacy show up sailing in from the aetherium searching for Treasure Planet? (I still think the centroid of the mechanism they found was an Iconian Gateway.)
As long as warp remains the standard for "short" range travel.
Other forms should exist but have risks to that high speed.
The problem with the whole Warp 10 limit thing is All Good Things, were both the modified Enterprise D and other ships of the time are quite capable of Warp 13.
Goatcha Well they changed the warp scale between TOS and TNG, I presume they changed it again post-TNG, so “Warp 13” would still be below the old Warp 10. Either that, a new form of warp drive, or the salamander thing was a result of the special dilithium or something, not the actual speed achieved. Tbh, I’d go with All Good Things over Threshold any day.
That's not really a problem. They redrew the warp scale once when it was inadequate to describe what the technology was capable of, why shouldn't they do it again when it was, once again, inadequate. It's much easier to say "Warp 13" than it is to say "Warp 9.99999999999999999999999999999999723". So when you're approaching that point, you need to change things again.
Of course, then you wind up with the problem of non-standardization, but the scale they were using - with Warp 10 being infinite speed - was a pretty limited one to begin with.
@@mb2000 So many things wrong with Threshold yes.
Ironically I don't think the out of control evolution resulting in salamanders after crash landing in an swampy area where an simple amphibious lifeform is best suited to survive is one of them though.
Everyone complains about it being the worst thing in the entire episode, but its probably the only bit of "science" in the entire episode that actually makes sense.
Goatcha they didn’t evolve into salamanders after going to the swampy planet though. Tom was already well on his way to salamander-ness when he kidnapped Janeway. So Tom evolved into a salamander based on being on Voyager and/or the shuttle and then sought out a swampy planet to live on with Janeway and the kids.
@@kevinmcguire5001 I thought that was also behind the entire "transwarp drive" on the Excelsior problem. It wasn't transwarp like the Borg has, it was just an up-rated system to describe the higher warp speeds that newer ships were now capable of. Same as when they re worked the numbers for warp drive in TNG. Someone high up in the command chain at Star Fleet (or Paramount) thought the new name sounded "cooler."
I guess it depends on if Starfleet could perfect their use of the technology (navigating the slipstream) and how easily those Benamite crystals are to obtain. Since they're supposedly rare and do decay somewhat quickly, that's probably not a good sign. Borg transwarp is probably the better route to take. Although the ship transwarp isn't as fast as the transwarp hub or slipstream, it's still a fair be faster than normal warp. Voyager was able to successfully utilize it without much trouble, they just had to Borg transwarp coils. With the full resources of the Federation and Seven, I have more confidence of Starfleet creating their own transwarp coils.
One of the producers on Andromeda stated that: Gene's original concept for Andromeda was to have it take place in the very distant future of the Star Trek universe. Dillan Hunt was to be a future federation officer hundreds of years after the federation fell who undertook a crusade to rebuild it. Since Slipstream is the standard mode of transport - i'd say it's safe to assume that it will be in ST eventually.
I prefer this to ships powered by fungi
BS "science" is BS science man
Stay commander staments - like jett said "man who runs a ship on mushrooms"
I like the idea of integrating Quantum Slipstream Drive tech into cannon. Ships could carry a limited supply of Benamite crystals to be used with the drive so that the ship has something like six short term uses of the drive before they need to resupply their Benamite crystal supplies. That way the QSD could be uses as an emergency supplement to standard warp technology. This way the tech is available for use when really needed, but not commonplace, which from a story telling standpoint is useful without breaking the "mythos."
In ST: TNG, the "Traveler" showed them two forms of advanced warp that their ship could handle, but it was so advanced, they could not reproduce it. When Barkley got advanced intelligence from an alien species, he knew a way to bend subspace to create some kind of bridge that Starfleet could not reproduce.
Bringing this right up to date Dis S3 suggests that the Benamite crystals are rarer than post burn Dilithium so the limiting factor would appear to be scarcity of the necessary components.
Canonical, yes. But have some limits, like the crystals wearing out.
Perhaps they should have used Folders Crytsals instead.
They should definitely go with some de-lizarding / devolution serum and warp 10 engines.
Make it part of standard vaccinations, along with whatever makes those *parasites from the episode _Conspiracy_ no longer an apparent threat.
*The ones that had a little breathing tube at the back of the host neck, almost took over the Federation, and then were never mentioned again.
That was all just a fever dream that Tom had while suffering from indigestion after eating some questionable meat that Neelix served in the mess.
Everything that has been happening in Star Trek since Discovery, @@casbot71, could of been easily rectified by proving that those same critters from the TNG Conspiracy episode not only came back, but literally took over all, but a handful of the Federation's/Star Fleet's top brass.
Inventing ever newer, escalating technologies simply means they've run out of story telling methods... every episode of Star Trek in all its guises feature universe changing technologies that somehow, conveniently get forgetten next week. Still, an enjoyable video. Keep up the good work xD
Despite Voyagers shortcomings, I loved the addition of a completely different form of FTL propulsion. It was beginning to feel lazy that there was a general, arbitrary technology that species would “stumble” upon and utilise in the same way as folks from different quadrants, and it just raised questions.
Showing that species find other means of interstellar travel besides just Warp, that there’s more to the universe at play, and fits the reality of discovery and exploration. It’s by accident.
I'm pretty sure Arturis wasn't the _last_ survivor, that he mentioned being one of a few of his people who escaped and became scattered?
pixel girl was just about to say that. I think he said there was about 10-20,000 of his people left. He just got away on his ship on his own.
@@mb2000 dude escapes with his own decked out ship that could hold hundred(s) and his main purpose is to get back at Voyager??? how about helping his 10-20K fellow survivors find a new home. For someone from a race that can out maneuver the borg for decades, he's pretty stupid.
The warp core highlighted in the diagram/animation is the spare core, which wasn't used for the slipstream drive. Sorry to be THAT guy, but awesome video. Thumbs up.
I have to say I quite enjoyed that episode of Voyage when they tried the drive for the first time. Sounds bad but I thought the crashing on the ice planet was really well done.
God, that ship being shown in Slipstream is beautiful.
In memory beta, the slipstream drive was used in the 25th century for its transwarp capabilities. As well, the federation later experimented with borg transwarp, even creating transwarp conduits.
I always think of the many promising technologies (for adaptation* by Star Fleet) the Voyager encountered on its exhausting stay in the delta quadrant, I suggest the transwarp capability of the Voth which is inexplicably overlooked. Not only is their transwarp capability impressive but their ship’s ability to travel using a spatial displacement makes for some mighty fine cloaking. *I refer, of course, to the common practices of Huawei and Samsung never let patented technology stop their “adaptation.”
I have an audio series called CHRONICLE coming out in January 2020 that features a ship using slipstream. The issue is solved via a highly advanced dedicated computer core using bio-neural circuitry to work out all the many, many variables needed. The Visionary-class can thus travel about 45 minutes at the low end of slipstream velocities (roughly Warp Factor 56 in TOS terms) but then the computer needs to be reset, a process that takes about 48 hours to complete. This allows the first few members of this class to traverse the relative void between the Orion and Perseus Arms of the galaxy (which would take an Intrepid-class roughly five years to cross).
I really wish they would continue the Canon timeline. I want to see what happens after Voyager returned to Sector 001. OUTSIDE of STO.
This is not canon, @Darth Revan. The Leftists/Communists completely ruined Star Trek since Discovery. Entirely because of the Leftists/Communists Star Trek got the Star Wars franchise treatment -- it is completely worthless and best used as terrible, terrible quality emergency toilet paper.
@Darth Revan He's not 100% wrong, though. For me personally, I could forgive their blatant political messaging if the stories were actually *good* (TNG did that pretty frequently, what with the whole blatant socialist utopia rebranding they gave to Starfleet among other things), but they're not, and the messaging they're trying to push is WAY too on the nose - they need to pick up some subtlety. But that's true of most of Hollywood in general right now, they're all too insecure that someone's gonna cancel them so they have to pander like a wind up doll to avoid the angry mob, and they have to make it really obvious so that even dumb people on Twitter notice it.
That and the whole "blame the audience for being ist-a-phobic" thing that got popular after the gender swap Ghostbuster's remake back in 2016, that doesn't make it better. It just makes people defensive, because big corporations like to use marketing to try and make their critics look like horrible people to try to avoid it when they put out a bad product. Defensive people tend to react more strongly after all, especially when what they're being made to be defensive about is both blatantly incorrect and a fairly awful accusation.
It's true in the other direction, too, I might add. The Kyle Rittenhouse game is a good example of the same 'too politically on the nose' type of messaging from the right. Or the mass exaggeration of the frequency of things done to minors.
I think the real problem is that the people who own and are responsible for the franchises we grew up on now are nothing but sociopaths, who're willing to use any method to manipulate people toward the ultimate end of liquidating assets from the public. That's probably more the ultimate cause of all this, rather than a left or right political persuasion.
Slipstream can't possibly "lessen the vastness of space".
Sure, going even faster than before, would allow starships to locate and analyze further away phenomena. But that wouldn't mean every single path taken can be considered fully explored.
There is actually an episode of Star Trek Online where you discover a new civilization (the Lukari) in the Alpha quadrant. They've gone unnoticed by UFP and Klingon (and Romulan) factions, while being a space-faring culture within "known" space.
I like the idea of the Federation developing their own version of the Quantum Slipstream drive. I'd like to see a return to shows where where exploration ships are out beyond the rim of known space. Years ago I constructed my own head canon regarding transwarp in general and quantum slipstream in particular, the short version of which is this: Warp drive is limited by a bow wave of virtual particles builds up on the leading surface of the warp bubble. Transwarp technologies clear out the energies that form the virtual particles, so that the bow wave never forms. Transwarp coils modulate the warp bubble to do this, but that warp bubble must be a sphere to avoid destructive harmonics. (Borg ships and First Federation ships for example.) Quantum slipstream on the other hand, projects a superluminal energy in the direction of travel, thus forming a channel free of virtual particles. (Species 116 of course, and the Voth)
There's a couple of issues that I have with slipstream tech.
1) There is no measurement of slipstream, and distance that can be covered has never been fully quantified or explained. For example, with warp tech, we can say "Warp 1 will take you from this point to this point in X amount of time; Warp 2 will cross the same distance in this amount of time, Warp 3 will do it this fast, and so on." With slipstream, however, we have no markers; there is no "Slipstream 1", "Slipstream 2", "Slipstream 3", etc., to allow us to gauge variable distances.
2) "Warp 5, (1, 3, 9, etc.) engage!" rolls off the tongue easy, whereas "Engage Slipstream" (or something similar) feel clumsy to say. I realize that this is merely a "verbal cosmetic" thing, but it's still a detriment. IMO.
That was one thing I never figured out about the quantum slipstream drive. 17 seconds in it would destabilize and throw Voyager out of the slipstream. Why did they not just do a series of 10-15 second jumps. They wouldnt be thrown out, and would still travel larger distances much faster. If something broke down, they could take a few days between jumps to work on the drive and maybe even figure out the issue on why the slipstream was destabilizing.
I thought I'd mention "Warp 13" from an alternate TNG episode dealing with alternate timelines, where the Federation has been at war with the Klingons for years...
Slipstream seems like it would be relatively easy to incorporate since it's already been eluded to already.
Warp 13 was from the old warp speed system from TOS, and should include Enterprise. It is about 2200 times light. The same speed in the TNG/Voyager/DS9 universe is about 9.4 which is about 2250 times light. There is a calculator here. www.anycalculator.com/warpcalculator.htm
Maybe we'll actually get an answer in the Picard series.
nope just more questions
Hahaha, good luck with that.
I don't know or care who listened to whom, but thanks for listening!
Like I said. Voyager is/was the fastest ship in the fleet. Simply because of BORG. Thanks again.
in the books the warp equation used by cochrane was incomplete, and was missing a part that equated to Side Space, and to break the warp ten barrier required traveling in Side Space, in the end of the book(startrek federation) it stated that warp 53 was the future upper limit.
I can understand Voyager not salvaging a transwarp coil from say, the deactivated cube in “Unity”, as they didn’t have Seven back then, but why weren’t they doing that at every opportunity after she joined the crew? They at least encountered Borg debris in “Unimatrix Zero” and “Imperfection” so wouldn’t it have been worth a look to see if anything survived?
Oh and the Threshold Warp 10 thing should have got them home in Season 2. The Doctor had already developed a procedure to reverse the transformations and could have done it to everyone once Voyager Warp 10’d itself back to Earth. It’s one thing to have hopes of returning home raised and dashed, but this one was because they were too lazy...
Yep. I've often wondered that too. Not to mention, the Borg would have loved Warp 10 travel, as their nanoprobes could probably have made it so they didn't even need a dose of the "cure" on exit.
Didn't the Transwarp coils tend to self destruct when a cube was disabled/destroyed. i.e. certain critical borg technology had security measures to prevent theft.
A short Star Trek series, that follows a small team of engineers and pilots trying to make Quantum Slipstream actually work properly and reliably would be a pretty cool series.
Borg transwarp coils collect energy from the transwarp hub the borg constructed at the node. The nodes are spatial ruptures that form naturally. The galaxy only has 3 of them. This energy is used to get a cube back to the node, if the coils are lost or damaged then the cube has to travel at warp 9 until it reaches another cube to be trackered back to the node to recharge.
I like to see something like transwarp gates, some physical effort on their part to extend their exploration. You want to make space feel vast and you do not what to make traveling around feel cheap, too easy. So if they build a network of somekind, Wormhole gates/transwarp gates/linking blackholes together. Doesn't matter what it ends up being as long as it has limits and it's vulnerable.
I like the idea of a limited slip stream tech being used.
They can still have a Network of gates but like another video mentioned they could be rare and further apart.
If that's the case they might also be very busy and require "standing in line" for much longer making normal trips less of a headache.
The way ships go through the quantum slipstream is almost identical to using a Borg Transwarp network.
They just need to paint their ships Red, Red things go faster; ask any Orc, they will tell you.
Correction made after BluetoothSensei pointed out my error in colors.
40k Orks: Red goes faster, yellow is "bigga boom", blue is lucky, black is tough, green is best (diplomatic), white is deadly
@@Blue_4-2 you are right, I had my colors mixed up. But Purple is sneaky, as no one has ever seen a purple Orc.
@@ShionWinkler Good one, LOL!
I found the filthy xenos
Strangely enough, the instability can be gotten around by shutting down the engines once the slipstream has been entered. The vessel attached to the engines will be pulled out, but any remaining craft in the slipstream will remain until they choose to exit at the destination. This means that slipstream really just needs a set of engines at the origin and destination to create slipstream corridors between any two points. Also, for some reason, the Federation-modified version is orders of magnitude faster than the original, as rather than taking months to reach Earth, it took hours.
If Voyager were cable of saucer separation like the Enterprise, it could have just detached the Saucer and flew it to Earth while leaving the drive section behind.
I had to laugh at the reference to Threshold. I am 99% certain that it's the only Trek episode that has actually been retconned as not-canon by the show's creators :P
"The only Federation ship in the Delta Quadrant"
*stares in Equinox*
To continue to explore new territory and for the Federation to keep similar enough values across the entire area to function as a government (which was shown to still be expanding as Bajor and other cultures joined during the TNG/DS9 time period), there is pressure to develop faster travel technology and more resources to do it. From a defense perspective there is pressure for faster ships as well, as it allows either a larger percentage of the fleet to respond to an incidence or use less ships to provide a similar level of protection. As what has been shown on TV and the extended universe make this the likely option in the near term for the Federation until something better is developed or encountered.
From a practical storytelling perspective, being able to visit known places and entirely new places without much effort no doubt was part of why the warp scale changed between TOS and TNG.
The only thing which risks diminishing the vastness of space is lack of imagination by writers. Given the stellar density of our region of space, and the rate at which we are identifying exoplanets, there are thousands of stars within a few hundred light years of sol and hundreds of terrestrial (not necessarily life bearing) planets.
Slipstream creates a mechanism by which a show could be set in a “fresh” area of space with races and cultures unfamiliar to the Star Trek audience. It would allow Star Trek to return to a formula of exploring new frontiers without the “how are we getting home?” Tensions of Voyager.
About the Canon Integration of Quantum Slipstream:
Cleveland Booker noted is as a FTL option in DISCO 3x1. But also mentioned that Benamite was at least as rare as Dilithium by 3188.
His ship did have the advantage of being pretty small (which apparently minimizes Slipstream distortions), but it is save to say the Federaton has the option to use it. Or at least could easily retrofit it with programmable mater.
But it is questionable if any ship the size of Voyager Original or bigger could actually make a stable corridor for long.
what did Barkley achieve when he build a thing in the holodeck something something graviton and the enterprise ended up in the middle of the galaxy instantly?
What always bugged me about Voyager and the whole slipstream thing, was, while it was cool and all, they had a actual expert on borg tech, who literally knew it inside and out, and not once did she offer to help build a working transwarp coil.
I would definitely like to see slipstream tech as a staple at some point. However, as we know benomite degrades over time, there could very well be a time limit for its use. Like, good for short stays in far flung regions, but possibly its generation/replication requires a long-term "charging" period, so no use as a quick escape. Good for rescue ops and long-distance long-term survey missions, but not good for prolonged fleet combat ops without an FOB.
You were right slipstream is the future. As shown in Discovery season 3 the year 3000+ Slipstream seems to be a normal type of travel. I have also though the same thing that Slipstream could be the next thing ever since Voyager.
I hop if they show it again they make it look a bit cooler. Rather than just a bit of extra plating on the warp core.
There is so much scope for story telling with this technology. The Federation could explore other galaxies and develop the franchise further than prequels.
More unique forms of FTL don't lessen the vastness of space, rather they enhance it.
Showing that there are multiple forms of exotic and esoteric transportations across the stars that multiple different factions and races use makes the world feel more complex and makes things feel far less gamey as opposed to one specific faction having their own separate tech branch for no reason beyond lazy writing. An important part of the whole 'there's still much to learn' thing is the logical conclusion of actually learning that stuff afterall.
I think they should put Quantum Slip Stream on every Starfleet vessel, but as you say careful monitered as a last resort until they have a chance to study it up close and personal, then try to perfect it to safety standards.
Developing a way to either do it with something more readily available than benemite crystals, or finding a better way of obtaining said crystals (alternatively, make them last a lot longer) is one of the key limiting factors. It does seem the most viable option in future. Transwarp being limited by not only the right parts, but also restricting them to preset paths (even if they could build more of their own in future) seems a poor long term option.
Quantum Slipstream could be a great supplemental technology to standard warp travel. like an emergency escape system or temporary speed booster for pursuits.
If Voyager can figure it out. Surely all of Starfleet can address the calculation issue. Sounds like all of Voyagers crew needs promotions considering they solved at least 3 major tech hurdles including true shield optimization.
I think the Excelsior transwarp project was ultimately successfull and was the basic for the warp interger recalculation that took effect with TNG. And quantum slipstream propulsion should become the basis of the next increase in standard interstellar space travel as it's been about a century since the transwarp increase. It's time to open up the entire galaxy and even the local intergalactic region of space - such as the Megellanic Clouds - to access for exploration.
It can only be expected that a faster drive would be found. If they are ever to one day travel to distant galaxies in the same type of timely manner, and still make it back home for Christmas, they would need faster and faster travel methods. By the way, I look forward to one day seeing a show or movie where that type of travel is commonplace. Of course slipstream drive would even be the model T of speed at that time, compared to the newest, fastest mode of travel called ************* ***** **** . I'm sure fans and Trek nerds are already contemplating that type of faster than slipstream drive.
I like the idea of slip stream in short burst. Say no more than ten hours max with a ten hour cool down.
I felt the slipstream was a good way to travel,but always wondered how warp damaged the subspace over time,that the reason why slipstream was not used more was it had even greater damage penalties then warp did,we just never where told it did so.Also warp does keep getting closer to ten every so often with better tech and ways to stop the negative effects.but it seems that new warp in picard is a combo of warp slipstream anyway.plus the warp lingo is just part of the star trek lore and its hard to change it now after 50 some years.
We know a lot about the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, but saw only a swath of the Delta and the Gamma has been restricted. This is true even in STO, which is recently canon, and Quantum Slipstream gives a way to get around both PAST the Azure Iconian Gateway and Bajoran Wormhole, which still is a limiting region without it.
For a time, it was possible to teleport to anywhere in the multiverse by traversing the mildew in Q's shower. But by TOS he had sprayed the scrubbing bubbles on it and closed off that fungal option until the next time he got lax about housecleaning.
best explanation for that drive ever
One thing to note about Slipstream travel is that due to it's very nature it's very good for getting from point A to point B not so good for seeing what you pass on the way however
Please make a video about the USS Wantham ship! Looks great!
Gene Roddenberry himself stated why he didn't want starships going from one end of the galaxy to the other in the space of a single commercial brake.
(Having a ship too fast would make the galaxy too small a place for the Star Trek format.)
I think the slipstream tech is a real advanced technology for the Federation, it could give them a boost or muscle up the fleet where ever they are going to make Starfleet stronger than ever.
It doesn't matter how fast the ships move, there will still be same, so many stars out there it could take life times just see everyone of them.
I think "Excelsior" style transwarp is an entirely different technology from Borg transwarp...the naming is just coincidence...
(of course, I might be completely wrong! 😂)
I will point out that the ‘vanilla’ quantum slipstream drive on the _Dauntless_ appeared to require no antimatter to power itself.
So _technically_ a ship with quantum slipstream would be far, _far_ more power-efficient (not to mention unconstrained by antimatter requirements) than a regular warp-equipped vessel.
i miss tng where the last episode had starfleet vessels casually flying around doing warp 13, for reasons...