JessEm Clear-Cut Guides Warning

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  • čas přidán 19. 07. 2019
  • JessEm Clear-Cut Guides have a big problem!
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Komentáře • 51

  • @GOLDFOLDS1
    @GOLDFOLDS1 Před 5 měsíci +2

    PRO TIP: LISTEN AT 2X SPEED... COUNTRY FOLK POKES ALONG

  • @NoahChristian1
    @NoahChristian1 Před 2 lety +5

    I have had this for years in San Diego and absolutely no problems. The tires are fine and this is absolutely the best add-on I have on my unisaw in terms of safety, precision, and accuracy. This seems strange as the wheels are urethane and essentially the same as skateboard wheels. Those usually don't turn to goo.

  • @sticks49
    @sticks49 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I believe that replacement of the rubber oring is part of a semi regular maintenance that must be performed.

  • @adama1294
    @adama1294 Před 4 lety +8

    That type of rubber does not do well with oils and solvents. When you oiled your table-saw, you got the oil onto the wheel which absorbed it and turned to goo. It has happened to a couple of tools I had.

  • @takeniteasyfriend
    @takeniteasyfriend Před 2 měsíci

    What was your discussion with Jessem on the matter? This seems to be relevant as they’re not taking these off the market any time soon.

  • @keenelafountain9331
    @keenelafountain9331 Před 4 lety +2

    Im on the fence about purchasing the stock guide from JessMe. Have the O ring problems been solved?

  • @stakwalderbak5331
    @stakwalderbak5331 Před 4 lety

    I must check mine. We had several 120 degree days last summer and no AC in the shed (planned for next summer). No doubt they will be mush. I have not even used the router guides which are still in the box after several years in storage.

  • @csimet
    @csimet Před rokem +1

    3 year old video on this claimed issue... what is the update since? Do you still have the issue and, if so, have you contacted Jessem? What was the result? I see you have not posted any videos since either.
    I own both the stock guides for my router and the set for my table saw. No issues with the wheels or any other part of those systems and they work great.

  • @yousuflootah
    @yousuflootah Před 4 lety +2

    I faced the same issue and I had to buy replacement. Couldn’t find any o rings that would fit locally. It is expensive but the system has been very useful to me.

    • @csimet
      @csimet Před rokem +2

      $7 for a set of 4 on Amazon, or you can get them direct from Jessem. They fit both the router and table saw sock guides. Very reasonably priced for a consumable item that will need replacement on a regular basis.

  • @bobbg9041
    @bobbg9041 Před 3 lety

    So how long did the orgnil tires last?

  • @BaoNguyen-un1km
    @BaoNguyen-un1km Před 4 lety

    Have you tried to replace the wheels with regular o-rings? I wonder how well regular o-ring would grip the wood?

    • @ifwoodcouldtalk5225
      @ifwoodcouldtalk5225  Před 4 lety

      Not yet but that is my intention to see if I can fine ones that are the right size. However I think one would have to take care to keep them clean else they will slip with sawdust on them.

  • @stevensrspcplusmc
    @stevensrspcplusmc Před 8 měsíci

    Ive had mine for years, ever since they came out, just looked at mine , they are fine! You might want to condition your space, obviously it’s rubber and heat breaks it down! Your tires on your car or truck need replacing! They don’t last forever, Sounds like a petty issue, did you contact JessEm? If you explain your issue, they probably would sencc dc you a set!

  • @loslosbaby
    @loslosbaby Před 3 lety +2

    Suspect a VOC in the shop has worked on them, and in combination with heat, they turned into cheese.

  • @bobbg9041
    @bobbg9041 Před 3 lety

    Beside your problems with the tires, im going to think these work better then board buddies. I also use them on my tablesaw and radial arm saw. I even have some for a shaper. But ive never used them.
    They are great on a ras for ripping but the stock 1" fence isn't wide enough so I salvaged a door jam its 1.5" wide and the bottom is 3/4" wide worked out perfect at a secondary fence. Ive also made one for my sears shaper cutters that use 3 knifes and works on both a table saw or radial arm saw.

  • @terryreed1421
    @terryreed1421 Před 4 lety +1

    What did JessEm customer service have to say? I live in Missouri and my shop is air conditioned (in my basement) and have not had any issues with deterioration of the rubber.

    • @bobbg9041
      @bobbg9041 Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks good to know I'm in kc so if your in mo with no issues. Read up somone said oils and that type of rubber dont do well togather.

  • @donaldwilton1155
    @donaldwilton1155 Před 2 lety

    If I was to make a guess I would say that there was a problem with the batch of O rings this set came from. If the mixture was off then this would explain why your O rings went bad and others are still working as expected. I live near you and my garage is not air conditioned or heated. I have had the same guides on my table saw for five or six years and as of two days ago they worked find. I would hope that Jessem would send you a new set at no cost to you.

  • @willxin4517
    @willxin4517 Před 4 lety +1

    I have seen rubberized plastic or whatever it is rapidly deteriorate after a few years. The black rubber on my Stanley FatMax chisel just cracked and went soft and sticky. I guess I will just have to make wood handles. Point is I have noticed a lot of plastics to suddenly deteriorate. I had the chisels for 25 years. One day they where fine the next week. Not so much.

    • @stakwalderbak5331
      @stakwalderbak5331 Před 4 lety

      Same set, same problem. I think a good solvent wash then buff/polish the rough edges off the plastic is the only solution I can think of.

  • @rogerhearn5243
    @rogerhearn5243 Před 4 lety +3

    I'ts not a big problem! Parts like this will always be subject to wear. JessEm sell replacement replacement o rings for these guides for $6.99.

    • @ifwoodcouldtalk5225
      @ifwoodcouldtalk5225  Před 4 lety +1

      Wear and deterioration are not the same thing. The one for the router table for example had been used 1 time and the wheels turned into a gummy mush that just fell apart at the touch. No oil, sawdust or any other foreign matter to blame but rather from just sitting in the box in a cabinet. Heat, time and the material used to make these is the culprit here and nothing else. I also completely understand that they have replacements but why buy more that will turn into mush and will be useless when I need to use them most?

    • @davidgagnon2849
      @davidgagnon2849 Před 2 lety

      It's NOT wear! It's deterioration of the material.

    • @gizmobently
      @gizmobently Před rokem

      It is a big problem, as Jessem should either replace the o rings or send the tool back. Selling these high priced accessories demands perfection. I really cannot believe that Jessem can actually sell these at that price, but hey, to each his own. Festool started it, Woodpecker jumped on board, and hell, they sell these one time items and do not even stock extra parts for it. And people still buy. I was one of them until I called for a part to my one time tool and was told they did not have any parts for it. I told them you got to be kidding me. No they weren't. I guess you are supposed to put these on a wall and look at them and just be glad you got one since they are made one time. I say at least Jessem stocks replacement parts for what they sell. I really think these tools have gotten way out of hand.

  • @thatguythatdoesstuff7448

    I'm guessing you live in an area with moist, salt laden air. I've seen numerous people have this same issue and they all report living in coastal areas. Texas, California, Florida etc.

    • @ifwoodcouldtalk5225
      @ifwoodcouldtalk5225  Před 3 lety +1

      That is true I am around 30 miles from Galveston, TX. The thing that cranks me though is not the price of replacements as they are $6.99 for a 4 pack but rather they want like $15 for shipping that should only cost a couple of bucks to mail. So I guess I am stubborn but I am looking a replacements from other sources.

    • @thatguythatdoesstuff7448
      @thatguythatdoesstuff7448 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ifwoodcouldtalk5225 I completely agree with you there. $15 is absurd.

  • @markkoons7488
    @markkoons7488 Před 2 lety

    You implied that you would make an update if you learned anything more about the deterioration. That was two years ago yesterday. Have you learned anything? I haven't read all your viewers' comments but I imagine, as some of them suggest, that the "rubber" is being attacked either by contact with solvents or with air borne VOCs. What does Jessem have to say? What does someone more knowledgeable than you or me have to contribute?

    • @crossplatman
      @crossplatman Před 2 lety

      You are right this was awhile back and is pretty much completely covered in the comments by a conversation with another viewer however I will still answer. First there was no chemicals or anything that attacked whatever material they were made of that’s all BS. The router table set I had never even got mounted it just deteriorated in the drawer it was stored in. JessEm never responded to me and I guess they never responded to the other person either as he never got back with me. I purchased these when they first came out so maybe they changed the material they make them out of due to this issue. I could not tell you as I refuse to pay the $15 shipping for $6 of crap they should replace for free. As for what I am going to do about it I have looked into other materials and commercially available O-Rings that will fit but have been distracted by a complexed remodel on a different house we purchased. Will have a bigger shop though!

    • @markkoons7488
      @markkoons7488 Před 2 lety

      @@crossplatman Thank you, Kenneth, for responding. The situation seems very wrong of Jessem. I wonder whether eBay or Amazon would be of any assistance to buyers through those sources. The current owners of the Powermatic name, besides completely abandoning support for the long line of machinery that built the brand, has essentially developed a "Tough Luck" policy towards owners of machines with serious design flaws. The only way I can see of rectifying the situation is to publicize their behavior and, where possible, taking our business elsewhere. Best wishes on your move and new shop.

  • @mururoa7024
    @mururoa7024 Před 4 lety +1

    Classic bad silicone moisture problem. Just like some o-rings. They pick up moisture from the air over time which changes their chemical properties. JessEm should source a different part.

    • @markkoons7488
      @markkoons7488 Před 2 lety +1

      That's an interesting bit of information and new to me. The only similar experience I've had was bug repellant in my tackle box 60 years ago melting plastic lures, particularly rubber worms.

  • @11211lcb
    @11211lcb Před 3 lety

    Hey Talking Hand, and your twin brother. You do not know how long the tires will last? How long did yours last, that is your answer? And a news flash this is a wear item, like the tires on your car.

    • @crossplatman
      @crossplatman Před 3 lety +1

      Sigh, running your mouth with no clue what you are talking about. Normally I would just ignore you but since you were so nice. These items were used once then placed into a drawer so if you cannot get more than one use out of a tool and then you have to buy parts for it in order to use it again I call it trash. I suggest you subscribe to another “News” channel. ;-) The issue in the end is what material they used and the heat in my shop down here. Perhaps a warning on the box?

    • @11211lcb
      @11211lcb Před 3 lety

      @@crossplatman I have a woodworking business, 25 + years. So I do have a clue of what I am talking about. I know of a few colleges that have this set up, and have not witnessed the issue you are having. How long were they in the drawer? I would suspect that JessEm would be very interested in knowing ALL of the details of what went wrong here.
      YOU seem to be the exception to the rule on satisfaction. And I am not subscribed to your channel, you seem to be a bit of a novice.
      So where is "down here" and how hot is your shop

    • @ifwoodcouldtalk5225
      @ifwoodcouldtalk5225  Před 3 lety

      @@11211lcb Well first off, These rollers turned into what only can be described as melted gummy bears on their own with no help from me. One set on the table saw and the other on the router. Second your resume does not impress me as just doing something for a long time does not make you good at it. I myself have been woodworking for about 45 years and I am more than willing to put up what I have designed and created against what you have since you seem to believe I am such a novice . Facebook group maybe? Perhaps I can make a video of some of the stills images of my creations both turning and furniture design. Also thank you for not subscribing to my test channel you seem very judgmental and ready to jump to ignorant conclusions without understanding of the circumstances. Also I am in midway between Houston and Galveston, TX. Have a great day!

    • @11211lcb
      @11211lcb Před 3 lety

      @@ifwoodcouldtalk5225 I was not trying to impress you with my experience other than to emphasize that what you were describing seems to be leaving out details and I have not heard of this issue from anyone except you. Soooo what did JessEm say about your tires? Surely something was different from all of the other woodworkers that use this setup.
      So my 25 years experience, as stated, was in business. From the beginning 56 years. Obviously, you are not a novice but your complaint sounds like one from a novice. I would have thought you would have included the Jessem response instead of a one-sided complaint. You mentioned that you kept the guides in a drawer. How long were they in that drawer? Is the drawer made out of a manmade material or solid wood? Offgassing from plywood or MDF or the like could have affected the urethane tires.
      So I'm not trying to get into a contest of who is the better woodworker. You surely are better than me on a lathe. But I would seriously like to see what you have done or do.
      Do you have a link?
      I am located just west of Houston and Just south of Katy.
      This is probably one of my better pieces. I designed two of these bedside end tables to match a chest of drawers and dresser that a client had.
      www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8381866850/in/album-72157630857421932/
      www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8380785705/in/album-72157630857421932/
      And a link to what I have done lately. With the exception of the small boxes with the 3D blocks on top, these are all my design. Just scroll down.
      www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/albums/72157630857421932
      And much of the same with details of construction.
      www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/albums/72157622991960362

    • @crossplatman
      @crossplatman Před 3 lety

      @@11211lcb Well seems like we are starting to have a conversation instead of defending hills and that is nice. I sent an email to JessEm and received no response which made me sad considering I own quite a few JessEm products and have pretty much always been pleased. The table saw guides were attached to the saw and used somewhat frequently however the router table guides were never used as I remember and they were in the original box as shown in my video and stored in my router table I built. The drawers are made of Poplar and the case construction is Baltic Birch. I had not been in the shop though for probably a year (heart attack and other issues) and when I went to use the products you see in the video what I saw. Nothing else in the shop was damaged. Again I am not trying to slam JessEm just pointing out my experience with two variations of the same product and in my mind I did nothing inappropriate nor wrong in usage with them. I cannot explain what happened to them and I am looking for alternatives tires. Also I have no interest in a contest either as woodworking is what I do for fun! I retired in December so now I will be doing it lots more with this channel as I originally set it up to play with video with the intention of being more serious about later and now that I am no longer employed I intend on doing that. I enjoyed your photos very much I and I like what you create. I see you use Flickr and I had an old account so I put a rather random selection of mine up for you. I need better skills when it comes to photo organizing as you can see by the randomness of what I uploaded but I hope you find them interesting at the least. flic.kr/s/aHsmUUrfvG

  • @rorymccabe7497
    @rorymccabe7497 Před 3 lety

    I find this comical!! Think about it it’s a high friction pressurized surface .. do you expect the tires on your car to last forever…? I feel like if that’s the worst part about it then that’s a total win and you have to have some sort of special circumstance because those things look mangled!! Must get the evening sun beating down on that cast-iron and black surface or something… This is the second best advancement in Table saw safety thus far, and second only to the saw stop tablesaw itself!!

    • @ifwoodcouldtalk5225
      @ifwoodcouldtalk5225  Před 3 lety

      Sorry you were not paying attention but they turned into melted gummy bears. These would not only not work but safety?? These had little to no use on them at all and they just deteriorated. As far as Sawstop we all have our own opinions and I wonder does your bandsaw have that technology? How about your Chop saw? Lathe? I could go on but why? Used to be a thing where taking personal responsibility for your safety was the goal not having a company be your nanny. With all this your millage may vary and I am only expressing my opinions based on factual use. I make stuff I don't polish my tools.

    • @rorymccabe7497
      @rorymccabe7497 Před 3 lety

      Oh no my man I totally feel you on the last bit for sure, me personally..I can’t justify the cost of a saw stop...but I mean let’s all be honest here, every so offten a piece with start to get firm as you push it threw, then it starts to vibrate a bit...and then your piece is behind you!! Or maybe it doesn’t kick on you, but your still just as puckered!! Haha with a bandsaw the blade is going straight into the table so your good!! I can’t say anything about a lathe however they look equally as sketchy and fun!! 😆

    • @davidgagnon2849
      @davidgagnon2849 Před 2 lety

      I've never returned from vacation and found the tires on my other vehicle(s) melted. This is what's happening; they're not wearing out from use.

  • @jeffstewart7434
    @jeffstewart7434 Před 11 měsíci

    I don’t know what you may have exposed these to or not, but there’s a reason they sell replacement tires for the roller guides. They wear out eventually, just like tires on your car. The fact that they are soft enough to eventually need replacing, also means they keep you safer as they grip the wood better helping prevent kickbacks. This wasn’t only a bad video, but made you look uncredible. Sorry

  • @idanburs5869
    @idanburs5869 Před 3 lety

    JessEm unfortunately has a problem of not adequately testing their products before putting them on the market. I had a similar thing happen with the o-rings on their router clear-cut guides. I also had a problem with their phenolic table sagging on the Mast-R-Lift II package that I purchase 10 years ago - that design defect took about a year to develop.
    Their "fix" was to send out two cross-support bars to customers who complained about the sagging, while leaving the design flaw hush hush. But that "fix" of course didn't fully remedy the problem because the table had already taken shape and wouldn't completely flatten out no matter what you did. A proper and adequate fix would have been to replace table with a thicker one - they've never done that.
    In short, my experience with JessEm is that they do everything they can to hide the problems with their poorly-tested products and use their paying customers as beta testers. I've stopped doing business with them because of that, but not before spending nearly 2 thousand dollars on their products.
    Most of the video reviews you see of JessEm products are from people who have recently bought (or been given) the product, and such out-of-the-box reviews are predictably glowing. Rarely do you see positive reviews of their products after several years of use.
    Thank you for putting out this video!

  • @plumbum6558
    @plumbum6558 Před rokem

    Dum

  • @GOLDFOLDS1
    @GOLDFOLDS1 Před 5 měsíci

    GET SMALL SKATE BOARD WHEELS. CASE CLOSED. DO YOU WANT SOME CHEESE WITH THAT WHINE?? ITS CANADIAN, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. HAHAH