The Evil Super Sonic Story ▸ Fleetway's Most Famous Character

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  • This is the second in a series of Sonic character profiles. Let me know in the comments who you want me to talk about next!
    "The Evil Super Sonic Story ▸ Fleetway's Most Famous Character"
    In this video we'll be taking a look at Evil Super Sonic, a fascinating interpretation of Sonic's Super form created by the team behind Fleetway's British Sonic the Comic in the 1990s. I'll be explaining the origins of this character, how he differs from Super Sonic in the video games and his tragic fate. Finally, I'll be assessing Evil Super Sonic's legacy on the Sonic video game franchise and on the Archie comic book series.
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  • @TheAuron32
    @TheAuron32 Před 2 lety +1936

    Super Sonic in the games: "YAY, WE'RE SAVED!!"
    Super Sonic in the comic: "WE. ARE. FUCKED!!"

    • @SanstheSkelebro193
      @SanstheSkelebro193 Před 2 lety +15

      Jegejrrve

    • @SpinoAnimationsYT
      @SpinoAnimationsYT Před 2 lety +14

      Lol

    • @Echo_1
      @Echo_1 Před 2 lety +63

      Hyper Sonic: YO THIS SUCKS

    • @TheAuron32
      @TheAuron32 Před 2 lety +76

      @@Echo_1 i dont even wanna think of what they would do with Hyper Sonic...
      though, a story idea could be Super splits from sonic again, and hyper emerges as a counter to super, i think that could be a great story arc and one hell of a fight.

    • @toxicwayste9031
      @toxicwayste9031 Před 2 lety +5

      @Verified Tiky✔️ I see ur verified

  • @NewKillerStar
    @NewKillerStar Před 3 lety +1505

    You can tell he's from a british Sonic comic because of his teeth

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +379

      Straight out of 'The Big Book of British Smiles'

    • @wetboi2898
      @wetboi2898 Před 2 lety +104

      As a British the bad dental hygiene stereotype is 100% true, my teeth are fine but most middle aged people (50-60) have lost all their teeth or they look stained

    • @wetboi2898
      @wetboi2898 Před 2 lety +50

      @@nillathekaiju people think it’s a stereotype, but it’s genuinely true, most people in the UK have really bad dental care

    • @faresisnthere687
      @faresisnthere687 Před 2 lety +17

      Brit'ish

    • @rockhistoria2537
      @rockhistoria2537 Před 2 lety +11

      Chewsday

  • @kaijunot
    @kaijunot Před 2 lety +662

    They actually hinted this form of Sonic in the new movie! I was confused when Knuckles said that the chaos emeralds would change their personality, I now know where!

    • @Godzilla-hq8jy
      @Godzilla-hq8jy Před 2 lety +94

      I'm gonna lose my sheet if Fleetway Super is utilized in the new sonic movies

    • @sophiaflynn3696
      @sophiaflynn3696 Před 2 lety +46

      I genuinely thought they were about to do it and got so excited! There has been so many teasers about this, even one in IDW I feel when they're disposing of the metal virus. Oh the possibilities :(

    • @thefrizlord
      @thefrizlord Před rokem +12

      I actually didn't realize this detail until u mentioned it lol

    • @pastelguts6182
      @pastelguts6182 Před rokem +5

      Yeah I loved that moment in the movie

    • @touchgrass7093
      @touchgrass7093 Před rokem +34

      at that point in the movie i was watching with my friends and at that moment i practically yelled "HOLY SHIT FLEETWAY TIME" and was so disappointed when it didnt happen

  • @star7communicator434
    @star7communicator434 Před 3 lety +1342

    Fleetway Super Sonic's story feels like a story of PTSD and accepting past trauma. Sonic lashed out at his friends and became so violent that he tried to separate himself from that side of him, which led to acceptance.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +141

      Yeah, good analysis

    • @OhNoBohNo
      @OhNoBohNo Před 2 lety +70

      *Sonic's exposure to crystals creating traumatic PTSD responses that make him volatile and hostile, change his color, and make him more powerful at the expense of his regular friendly disposition*
      Steven Quartz Universe, as of Future: Cheers to that, bro

    • @Ashley3AndKnuckles
      @Ashley3AndKnuckles Před 2 lety +10

      this remembers me of flippy from happy tree friends

    • @thunderthunderstorms8828
      @thunderthunderstorms8828 Před 2 lety +11

      Personally I saw this as the negative chaos energy affecting what was already there just giving it a means to unleash itself.

    • @arcticflames6932
      @arcticflames6932 Před 2 lety +4

      @@JohnnyVector you wanna know my explanation of fleetway
      Fleetway:a over load of energy turning sonic into the super form but... something happened and the super form is fueled by hatred and stress

  • @richieosborn2639
    @richieosborn2639 Před 2 lety +652

    Fun Fact: Fleetway Super Sonic’s debut was just one week before Archie Comics adapted the Super Sonic we know.
    So that means Fleetway Super Sonic is the original Super Sonic!

  • @CrisisComics
    @CrisisComics Před 2 lety +69

    I think turning Fleetway Super Sonic into Iblis was a genius move on the Webcomic writers' part. Not only does it help Silver fit neatly into the timeline with a legitimate hatred for Sonic, but it really does feel like the worst case scenario that could erupt from Super's existence.

  • @justcallmekai1554
    @justcallmekai1554 Před 3 lety +531

    If you think about it, this is a fantastic interpretation of him and makes since in the world of Sonic. Chaos is Discord incarnate. So when Sonic uses them, he becomes an agent of Chaos itself. That prefix isn't there for show. Like you said here, when Super Sonic or Chaos is siphoned away from Chaos Radiation, they are way more tame.
    It would be cool if the games were to use this idea because of Sonic's overuse and lack of actual training with Chaos Energy. In the games he just kinda uses them off hand. It gives consequences to the common transformation.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +74

      Great comment. It would be cool to see Super Sonic explored more in the games. You're right, Sonic is seemingly able to instantly grasp all of his new powers as Super. A little bit more struggle would be cool.

    • @TheAuron32
      @TheAuron32 Před 2 lety +39

      totally agree, he literally uses chaos energy and is seemingly able to 100% control it?
      doesnt make sense, he should go nuts and require someone who DOES understand the emeralds to step up and knock him senseless.
      it would be a GREAT way to give Super Knuckles a time to shine again.

    • @hotdawg6748
      @hotdawg6748 Před 2 lety +6

      I don't know if that Knuckles from Fleetway comics capable of absorbing the power of Chaos Emeralds because none of STC issues showed Knuckles use them so there are two possibilities
      1-Knuckles cannot absorb the energy of the Chaos Emeralds as Sonic and Robotnik can do.
      2-Knuckles is capable of absorbing the chaos energy but he doesn't want end up ike Super Sonic
      P. S:
      The Chaos Emeralds can be in stablized conditions only if they were kept in a cold place or the temple on the floating island

    • @hotdawg6748
      @hotdawg6748 Před 2 lety +1

      (I still have a bad english😔)

    • @thegungerbrospodcast7671
      @thegungerbrospodcast7671 Před 2 lety +11

      @@TheAuron32 Not really, in the games (specifically the adventure series), the emeralds can affect the user based on whether they are feeling positive or negative emotions. For instance, Chaos when absorbing the energy from the emeralds drained all of it's negative energy and became a chaotic evil monster filled with malice and rage lashing out against the world. But Sonic is able to tap into the positive energy and transform into his Super sonic state, where he is able to control the Chaos and use it for good.
      Game apologist made a really good video on the topic where he went over Super sonic and his role in the games. I recommend checking it out when you have the time.

  • @novelezra
    @novelezra Před 3 lety +283

    Please do a Fleetway Amy, I don't know much about the fleetway comic but that Amy is grungy and 90's as hell. Her skirt even looks like Hey Arnold's shirt (that people thought was a kilt)

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +62

      Great suggestion, thanks. Fleetway Amy is great. If I recall she's kind of a tech genius, a characteristic the games would later give to Tails. But yeah, I'll add that to my list.

    • @novelezra
      @novelezra Před 2 lety +14

      @@JohnnyVector One thing I thought about today as well, is a video about the origin to Sonic's meme's/catchphrases. Like, I bet many people know "Gotta Go Fast" and "Way Past Cool" but dont actually know where those came from.

    • @handlename88
      @handlename88 Před 2 lety +8

      @@novelezra gotta go fast came from sonic x and way past cool came from aosth satam and sonic underground I believe

    • @samueldixon9028
      @samueldixon9028 Před 2 lety +4

      @@JohnnyVector Fleetway Amy isn’t really a tech genius - Porker Lewis is the techie earlier on, and Tekno the Canary (Amy’s best friend) takes over later on. Amy is, however, incredibly smart and competent, a great fighter, and the team’s second in command, stepping up to lead in Sonic’s absence.

  • @NinjaKIngAce
    @NinjaKIngAce Před 3 lety +198

    I think some people just assume that Fleetway Sonic is the name of the Evil Super Sonic. I know I made that mistake when I first found out about him

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +49

      Interesting and understandable, Fleetway aren't even particularly well known in the UK.

    • @mrbutt4eva625
      @mrbutt4eva625 Před 2 lety +18

      Yeah but fleetway Sonic sounds cooler than evil super sonic

    • @hinatalovetonaruto
      @hinatalovetonaruto Před 2 lety +2

      In one of the comics fleet way super sonic came out of sonic when he tried using some red emeralds and instead of him becoming super , fleet way showed up and went on a rampage

    • @NinjaKIngAce
      @NinjaKIngAce Před 2 lety +8

      @@hinatalovetonaruto That wasn't Fleetway. That's from the Archie Comics

    • @noaht2005
      @noaht2005 Před 2 lety +2

      It seems a common mistake

  • @thefireman17492
    @thefireman17492 Před 2 lety +136

    "to see this formally evil character living a quite life"
    *Yoshikage Kira wants to know your location.*

    • @jirito7470
      @jirito7470 Před 2 lety +33

      My name is Super Sonic. I'm 25 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Green hill, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

    • @VoidVoidVoidVoidVi
      @VoidVoidVoidVoidVi Před 2 lety +4

      Don't worry, he gets it in Dead Man's Questions.

  • @noaht2005
    @noaht2005 Před 2 lety +93

    Fleetway Super Sonic is an interesting take on the character, who understandably has a large cult following to the point where many people think of him instead when ‘fleetway sonic’ is mentioned. The character is often associated with other evil Sonics, like the ‘majin’ Sonic from CD’s sound test, and fan horror character Sonic.exe. With the character’s newfound popularity, it’s great that videos like this exist to to inform newcomers

  • @dankwaifu2093
    @dankwaifu2093 Před 2 lety +143

    I think Archie's evil Super Sonic was definitely a reference to StC's Super. One panel in particular feels like a pretty straight homage of that page where Super's laughing and turns back into Sonic. That Archie comic came out around the time Tekno (and Ebony) started making cameo appearances, so at least some of the writers and artists were aware of the Fleetway series.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +16

      Thanks for confirming. I didn't know Tekno and Ebony make cameos, that's really cool. I'll have to check it out.

    • @dankwaifu2093
      @dankwaifu2093 Před 2 lety +5

      ​@@JohnnyVector I'm not sure if it was this situation, also, or just the OVA, but I think Archie might've gotten in trouble doing what little they did. Amy calls Tekno by name in one panel, which would go a little beyond StC characters filling out background shots. Fleetway's in a weird legal era because I think everything that's in it is creator-owned, like how basically everything in pre-reboot Archie became off limits for similar reasons. I know Ian Flynn said he got permission from Nigel Kitching to use the Metalix, but nothing ever came of it because things would've been too complicated to sort though.

    • @michaelmann7816
      @michaelmann7816 Před 2 lety +2

      @@JohnnyVector Yep. I believe there was also a background cameo of Bob Beaky, which is... a whole different ball of confusion.

  • @littleguystar
    @littleguystar Před 3 lety +227

    I always liked this spin on things, as you could see Super Sonic in Sonic 2 going around at insane speeds, and the music if taken the wrong way is kinda menacing. It just makes sense to go with the old American backstory too!
    I just think it's neat that Super went from a saving grace to an unfixable issue

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +18

      Great point about the music. The more it plays the weirder it sounds sometimes haha

  • @Lava_Lazy
    @Lava_Lazy Před 2 lety +67

    i guess people searched fleetway sonic so much after fnf sonic.exe v2 came out that this video got an algorithm boost

  • @surgeeo1406
    @surgeeo1406 Před 2 lety +124

    Even though I agree with the Hulk comparison (StC writers were actually big Marvel fans,) this Super-Sonic may also be inspired by Dragon Ball. In the very first season, Goku is feared by his partners, once they figured out he can turn to a giant gorilla, and probably killed his grandfather by accident. They end up using his transformation against Pilaf (the greatest villain in the series,) in a way that also happens in Sonic the Comic. Big difference here, Goku was not aware of his alter-ego for a really long time.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +16

      Thanks, you're right, pretty similar to Goku's gorilla form

    • @pickledeluxe4636
      @pickledeluxe4636 Před rokem +2

      funny enough when goku first achieves his super . he does warn gohan to leave because in his new form enhansing his rage he may even attack gohan his son, although he post battle returns to being kind and even attempts to spare the guy he fought

  • @justafriendlycryptid
    @justafriendlycryptid Před 2 lety +110

    He really is the embodiment of "chaos".
    My revitalized interest in Fleetway was due to their appearance in an FnF mod. An odd little inclusion in a mod about Sonic Creepypasta's. -His & Tails dolls songs slap.-

    • @behgaming1
      @behgaming1 Před 2 lety

      Same

    • @TelevisionNTheatre
      @TelevisionNTheatre Před 2 lety +1

      Hahahaha
      _-Same-_

    • @seashellguy9416
      @seashellguy9416 Před 2 lety +5

      when eggman is an really bad character in the modern era of sonic but his part of an song slaps harder than sonic destroying his robots
      -triple trouble is an cool song-

    • @TelevisionNTheatre
      @TelevisionNTheatre Před 2 lety

      @@seashellguy9416
      _yeah bet_

    • @noaht2005
      @noaht2005 Před 2 lety +3

      Nothing to be embarrassed about. One of the best made mods for that game, even if rhythm games aren’t my thing

  • @Lunalite
    @Lunalite Před 2 lety +19

    Super Sonic's personality does actually change a bit in the games
    He calms down

  • @kingofeurobeat9332
    @kingofeurobeat9332 Před rokem +8

    Actually one of the most notable aspects of super Saiyan is that it typically makes you more aggressive. That's why you can't use the Spirit bomb while in super Saiyan because you need to have a calm mind and be pure of heart.

  • @Muffled_calzone
    @Muffled_calzone Před 2 lety +16

    I always saw Fleetway Sonic and thought, ok what is happening to Sonic?
    I never saw him going crazy like that in games.
    And now I finally found out where he came from and why hes like this.
    Thx for this video :D

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +1

      No problem, glad I could help to introduce you to Fleetway Sonic

  • @ermacmacro7136
    @ermacmacro7136 Před 2 lety +34

    Here's an interesting bit of trivia actually, that further strengthens the connection between (Fleetway) Super Sonic and the initial Super Saiyan.
    When Goku first transformed to Super Saiyan, his personality did shift to a bit more of a vicious and sadistic side. Goku essentially regressed back to the Kakarot that he was initially born to be, before he learned to control it.

    • @TecTitan
      @TecTitan Před rokem +4

      Most underrated comment
      It's important people know the truth

    • @j.ronnygibson
      @j.ronnygibson Před rokem +7

      I think all that power initially drives person mad. Which is why Goku and Gohan had to train them selves to be calm in that state. And how did I not realize that a thing called chaos emerald would cause a creature to be violent?😊

  • @Aobcldeefcgh
    @Aobcldeefcgh Před rokem +12

    I hope you read this! I voice Fleetway Super Sonic! He has been an overwhelming joy to voice, and has made a big impact on my life 😁 I intend to continue giving him the voice that deserves to be heard, and so far I have been able to achieve that to a degree. My dream is to be his official VA by Sega, and I'll wait as long as it takes! I may be a woman but that will never stop me, or let people say otherwise voicing him.

  • @DarrenEllisMusic1
    @DarrenEllisMusic1 Před rokem +8

    This was such a great ark in the comics. Richard Elsons artwork really inspires the imagination !

  • @white_mochi
    @white_mochi Před 2 lety +39

    Imagine the storyline if Fleetway DIDN'T turn on Ebony. He would have become the best character, and he would still live his life normally.

    • @Aobcldeefcgh
      @Aobcldeefcgh Před rokem

      I voice him and his story continues :)

  • @TailsClock
    @TailsClock Před 2 lety +6

    The notable thing about Goku's Super form was that IT DID CHANGE HIS PERSONALITY. He wasn't fighting for fun anymore. He became cold, and menacing. This personality change eventually did wear off, but I'm still surprised that you were clueless about this huge aspect of it. having said that, it was Gohan who has more resemblance to Fleetway Super Sonic due to his anger issues when gaining a new form. But even that pales in comparison to the actual Super Sonic. His personality is so wildly different, that it does seem like they just wanted to do their own thing entirely.

  • @yami_yomiel
    @yami_yomiel Před 2 lety +31

    I always thought fleetway was some sort of ""corrupted"" sonic.
    Because fleetway-to me- always sounded like a highway like in SA2

    • @justinarzola4584
      @justinarzola4584 Před rokem +3

      Maybe If the comic continued sonic would control the power and become the good super sonic seen in the games.

  • @TheBlub
    @TheBlub Před 2 lety +12

    Finally I know who Fleetway SS is,
    I love him

  • @Old_Man_Jay
    @Old_Man_Jay Před rokem +5

    I had no idea these comics existed but the story of super sonic seems like a great one! I'm really glad you took the time to cover it. I think It's actually quite sad how it ended. He was good for years only to have to be forced to merge with sonic again. Feels bad, man.

    • @justinarzola4584
      @justinarzola4584 Před rokem

      Me too, as an American I never heard of these comics before and they seemed very obscure to non British sonic fans, I'm glad they are getting some attention.

  • @ruchellemiller8423
    @ruchellemiller8423 Před 3 lety +28

    Sonic could already survive in Space

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +5

      Actually yeah good point, he is in space quite a lot somehow.

    • @sdavion096
      @sdavion096 Před 2 lety +3

      @@JohnnyVector ya like the Death Egg Zone, Final Rush from Sonic Adventure 2, nearly the entirety of Asteroid Coaster, and other zones in Sonic Colors

    • @juanstaroldchannel3553
      @juanstaroldchannel3553 Před 2 lety +6

      Wait. So you are telling me he can survive on fucking space,but not on water? B r u h.

    • @marcxworld5708
      @marcxworld5708 Před 2 lety

      @@juanstaroldchannel3553 lmao it's weird

    • @juanstaroldchannel3553
      @juanstaroldchannel3553 Před 2 lety

      @@marcxworld5708 ikr

  • @sohpie6767
    @sohpie6767 Před 2 lety +5

    5:30 Ah yes my favorite pokemon, *hulk*

  • @vampiricpig1392
    @vampiricpig1392 Před 2 lety +9

    The sonic fanbase will forever love evil Sonics

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo Před 2 lety +8

    I still think Fleetway is too far away from Sonic's original characteristics when it comes to Super Sonic. But the idea is still very interesting!
    To me, this Fleetway Super Sonic could be what Sonic would become if he wasn't all clear in his head and lost to anger.
    Imagine an even more broken Shadow. Dark Super Sonic from the Sonic X anime is probably the closest we get to Fleetway here.

  • @allowcoy0413
    @allowcoy0413 Před 2 lety +13

    POV: You played the Sonic.exe 2.0 mod and didn’t know who this character is.
    I already knew, but thought this would be fun to watch anyway.

  • @megamanx74
    @megamanx74 Před 2 lety +3

    This is incredible! the sonic comic makes me really want to read it. Thanks for the coverage on something I clearly overlooked.

  • @alexander2019.
    @alexander2019. Před 2 lety +17

    Now that you mentioned sonic and dragon ball I never really thought about it but sonic counter part would be goku as the protagonist.Shadow as vegeta as the villain who becomes hero .Silver being the time traveler who would be trunks.

    • @antyep
      @antyep Před 2 lety +3

      Which is a problem because Sega is self aware of this and is trying to make Shadow like Vegeta nowadays.

    • @Fanatic_Foremem
      @Fanatic_Foremem Před 2 lety +1

      @@antyep Metals more of the vegeta anyways, shadows more like piccolo or Hit.

    • @antyep
      @antyep Před 2 lety +1

      @@Fanatic_Foremem I'm pretty sure that people consider Knuckles as Piccolo. Although these days, he's more like Yamcha. Also, Metal doesn't have that 'I'll do things my way' edgelord vibe, considering his programming makes him serve Eggman. Vegeta serves no one!

    • @Fanatic_Foremem
      @Fanatic_Foremem Před 2 lety

      @@antyep yeah and how well has that worked out, Heroes, free riders, clearly something was up in forces since eggman needed to use a copy. Metal still does what he wants even under mind control,seems like he's VERY much vegeta.

    • @antyep
      @antyep Před 2 lety

      @@Fanatic_Foremem not unless you consider IDW canon where he was incredibly loyal to Eggman.

  • @Legoroy2
    @Legoroy2 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you for this revisiting of a classic character. If you haven’t already, Captain Plunder and his crew were always an interesting time.

  • @59rlmccormack
    @59rlmccormack Před 2 lety +8

    Having looked at stuff related to Fleetway Sonic online, be it wikis or videos or fan stuff, I will say it is quite interesting. As for Fleetway Super Sonic being similar to The Hulk in regards to transformation, wow, I never noticed. Excellent video, mate. Take care. I’d love to see you make a video about Sally Acorn and Rally4Sally down the line, may you always be good.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +4

      Thank you very much! Sally Acorn sounds like a good idea. I'm only familiar with her from the cartoon but I've started reading the Archie comics too so I might cover her when I'm done.

  • @holloworacle3140
    @holloworacle3140 Před 2 lety +12

    Hello I'm a casual fnf dude wanting to know about this Sick looking dude

  • @Dantriecus
    @Dantriecus Před 2 lety +10

    Yes! Always support anyone talking about good old STC!!!
    Why not do an episode about Shortfuse or Captain Plunder? Or even better, Teckno?

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks for the suggestions. A lot of people suggested Fleetway Amy so I think I'll add a bit about Tekno in that video.

  • @hairyrusticpal3637
    @hairyrusticpal3637 Před rokem +1

    It's surreal seeing these comics again, I got bought them at the time and remember how much I adored the supersonic art and the Sidewinder gang in particular (For some reason the one where's he's holding a cup of tea next to the fire really stuck with me). No wonder i remember the art is just incredible

  • @alexander2019.
    @alexander2019. Před 3 lety +3

    Ah excellent video.I was waiting for this since the sonic iceberg when they were talking about super sonic being it’s own entity

  • @GeekedOutNeckbeard
    @GeekedOutNeckbeard Před rokem +4

    Now I WISH they continued into the Sonic Adventure 2 Battle storyline! Imagine how EVIL Shadow would look if they went down that path still! It would be amazing to see

  • @CausticCatastrophe
    @CausticCatastrophe Před rokem +4

    powers gained from chaos manifesting like this makes WAY more sense.

  • @skykidgaming5622
    @skykidgaming5622 Před 2 lety +5

    Fleetway super sonic will forever be one of my favourite villains in the comics

  • @BirchMonkey857
    @BirchMonkey857 Před rokem +3

    S&K was the first appearance of the space and flight abilities.
    There are a couple of mentions, notably the first appearances of SSJ1 and SSJ2, as well as Legendary Super Saiyans like Broly or Kale (potentially due to the seemingly demonic elements of the Legendary forms) that imply that the SSJ forms may amplify emotions to the point of the wielder's decisions being affected.

  • @strictmad9296
    @strictmad9296 Před 2 lety +12

    Who’s here because of FNF sonic.exe round two?
    Note: I already knew who fleetway was but I just wanna know who didint

    • @N3omatic
      @N3omatic Před 2 lety

      I'm here from that mod

    • @santiagopomares6287
      @santiagopomares6287 Před 2 lety

      This video literally got recommended to me today, I only came here for these comments

    • @n.d.r.g4724
      @n.d.r.g4724 Před 2 lety

      @@santiagopomares6287 same

    • @salsa7950
      @salsa7950 Před 2 lety

      Well I never read sonic comics so I didn't know but most stuff from fnf I know

  • @WebstersYouTube
    @WebstersYouTube Před 2 lety +38

    Grew up with the Fleetway books and this version of Super Sonic. I didn't really enjoy the character after issue 100, truth be told. It felt like Kitching wrote himself into a corner and, instead of a proper showdown, we got a deus ex machina depowering. There were a good 20 issues or so of build up to a fight in issue 100 and it's just cast aside in favour of showing the gang overthrowing Robotnik.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +8

      Thanks for the comment. From what I've read it does seem like the whole amnesia thing was done because the writers had no idea what to do with SS. I can see how some wouldn't be happy with how things turned out.

  • @emitrioff
    @emitrioff Před 2 lety +1

    I've read it like 8/10 months ago and while reading it I was so amazed and invested in the comic because it brings super sonic into a more dark tone :)

  • @L30nGD
    @L30nGD Před 2 lety +5

    Super sonic in games: I save my friends from being killed
    Super sonic in comics: i kill my friends

  • @__-be1gk
    @__-be1gk Před rokem +3

    This is the single time in the entirety of the Sonic franchise that they Chaos Emeralds had any association with actual chaos whatsoever

  • @Joseph_Drew_III
    @Joseph_Drew_III Před rokem +4

    Fleetway Sonic seems a lot closer to Ultimate Universe Hulk than the jade giant we actually care about.

  • @CraftyArts
    @CraftyArts Před rokem

    thanks for this helped in my own video on Sonic The Hedgehog, never knew there was this much more interesting take on Super sonic

  • @Dan200
    @Dan200 Před 2 lety +11

    Am I the only one who finds it strange this video makes a point about Super Sonic being suspiciously similar to The Incredible Hulk, but doesn't once mention that both are actually based on Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

  • @open_420
    @open_420 Před 3 lety +5

    10 out of fucking 10 youre a beast of a youtuber thank you so much for putting in the effort man !!

  • @crudknight
    @crudknight Před 2 lety +5

    This is the closest well get to a Canon sonic.exe

  • @stevolution7833
    @stevolution7833 Před 2 lety

    Loved reading the Running Wild storyline back when I was a teenager, Richard Elson's fantastic artwork really sells it.

  • @viniciuspaiva3578
    @viniciuspaiva3578 Před rokem +4

    It suddenly makes sense for Super Sonic to be evil!
    The Chaos Emeralds aren’t named that for nothing

  • @astro6683
    @astro6683 Před 2 lety +14

    Id like to know more about Johnny Lightfoot, and the fall of STC :O

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +4

      Nice suggestion, thanks. As a fellow Johnny I have a soft spot for Lightfoot.

  • @ToaArcan
    @ToaArcan Před 2 lety +23

    Honestly, in some ways, Super Sonic's personality feels almost like a drama-preserving handicap put on the form.
    Adaptations generally don't include the whole "Needs to consume a shit-ton of rings to function" thing as a trait of Super form... and to be fair, neither do the games when cutscenes are concerned. Even as early as Sonic 2, Sonic is able to transform after going through the totally-ringless Death Egg Zone, and later on in Sonic Advance, he spends about a week just flying around in space- Or maybe it just took him that long to get back from the moon? Even at 25000mph, that's a three-day trip. Either way, Super Sonic being a gas-guzzler doesn't appear to be canon in the games themselves, and definitely isn't in the cartoons and comics.
    With that in mind, it raises the question of "Why doesn't Sonic use his Super form... well, as much as anyone playing the classic-style games will on their playthrough?" The Doylist answer is, of course, "Because then there wouldn't be a story", but that doesn't mean we don't need a Watsonian, internal explanation. Lack of access to the Emeralds can be an answer, true, but adaptations tend to like it when Sonic can visit Knuckles any day of the week, and Knuckles spends basically all his time sitting in front of a giant Chaos Emerald that can also turn people Super.
    StC provides that. Sonic can't solve all of his problems by turning into an invincible golden god on the regular because said invincible golden god wants to murder his friends, and isn't even guaranteed to attack the villains first. It's not the _cleanest_ justification, and it does vastly inhibit the viability of the form even for situation that warrant its use, but it works. And it prevents people asking the question of "Seriously, the Master Emerald is right there, why don't you just turn into Super Sonic, blow the Death Egg of the sky, and have your girlfriend restored to flesh and blood by sunset?"
    Also, he's just the best version of a superpowered evil side for Sonic himself. Darkspine is cool but really difficult to work in (what with being fuelled by less than half of a set of macguffins that only exist in a book), and Dark Super is just... boring.

  • @ADurning87
    @ADurning87 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for this video. I loved this comic arc and it was beautiful ☺️❤️🌎🙏

  • @GinraiPrime666
    @GinraiPrime666 Před rokem +1

    Absolutely awesome video man!!! As a fellow UK Sonic fan I too grew up with the Fleetway Sonic The Comic stories aswell, Super Sonic in particular has always been a very memorable character of the run! I would love to see you do videos for Shortfuse the Cybernik or Commander Brutus at some point! Keep up the awesome work man!!!

    • @GinraiPrime666
      @GinraiPrime666 Před rokem

      Just discovered you already have, awesome!!! Keep up the awesome work man!!!

  • @asierx7047
    @asierx7047 Před 2 lety +6

    Hey guys guess why this video blew up
    Yea the same reason why Lost Silver and Hypno's lullaby

  • @Exxorian
    @Exxorian Před 3 lety +4

    I used to read this comic so much when I was growing up! You could cover the Metallix. I remember what they looked like but not really what their deal was?

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +3

      Great idea, thanks. I always loved Metallix as well.

  • @GSTE_
    @GSTE_ Před 2 lety +1

    I never looked into the actual story behind evil super sonic, but the drawing design stood out to me as a really good design.

  • @bmc4857
    @bmc4857 Před 10 měsíci +1

    There has to be a reason behind Sonic not losing control when turning into his super form. Maybe the ones who nourished Super Sonic could have changed his fate when they combined Super Sonic back with Sonic himself giving Sonic more control over his inner self.

  • @Ghostguy693
    @Ghostguy693 Před 2 lety +3

    I recall reading some stuff from StC Online. Super Sonic was implied to be the one destroying Silver's future instead of Iblis (although that was still Silver's name for SS) and I believe Silver had come into conflict with Sonic by mistaking him for his counterpart (although I may be misrembering that). Hyper Sonic was also featured, being more like its original counterpart (as Sonic had absorbed a fountain of _pure_ Chaos energy and so wasn't corrupted by it). Although it is worth noting that Amy immediately disputed the name of Hyper Sonic due to him being, in her own words, "just Sonic!" To my knowledge however he's only appeared once so far, albeit in a significant role, destroying a bunch of Drakon ships (along with much of their tech being destroyed by a virus Robotnik had installed), reconnecting Miracle Planet and Mobius and towing Drak, home of the Drakons, back to its usual position and away from Mobius.

    • @Ghostguy693
      @Ghostguy693 Před 2 lety

      According to the wiki, Super Sonic also makes a couple more appearances, once when Sonic transforms while fighting Shadow, and again when it's revealed that Ebony kept a bottle of some of SS's essence, which Sonic accidentally opens, causing him to transform. One Dexter "Codex" Bagstille made an attempt to bring out Super Sonic and control him with a collar capable of draining his Chaos energy, only for it to completely fail. The wiki isn't too clear on how it happens but somehow Super Sonic manages to reseparate from Sonic (or at least I believe so?) and drain the Chaos energy from the Omni-Viewer. It's heavily implied that this is connected to his appearance as "Iblis". He later teams up with Robotnik to attempt to destroy Sonic with their combined power, only to inevitably betray him. Porker subdues him by siphoning his Chaos energy. The Wiki claims he's "killed" by it but given his reappearance as Iblis I find that unlikely.

    • @pizzatime2996
      @pizzatime2996 Před 2 lety +2

      Man that would’ve been a WAY better storyline in my opinion
      Silver wants to desperately get rid of sonic to save his future due to fleetway nearly destroying the whole dimension, which would make sense considering silver might have seen the famous super sonic…but sonic and co would have to travel forward in time to realize the threat and learn how to prevent it……what have I written?

    • @pizzatime2996
      @pizzatime2996 Před 2 lety

      WHY DO I WANT TO WRITE MORE OF THIS

  • @travelerluke5748
    @travelerluke5748 Před 2 lety +3

    Ya know? In the sonic 2 movie.. Knuckles hints that sonic is a different person in his super form...

  • @SonicTheComic
    @SonicTheComic Před 2 lety +4

    Good stuff!

  • @elwiito8242
    @elwiito8242 Před 2 lety +4

    I guess that fleetway sonic may become more popular for having his own song on the mod for the rythym game called Friday night funkin called VS Sonic.exe for having his own song on the mod.

    • @cyberOIO
      @cyberOIO Před 2 lety

      If you were alive when sonic was actually good, there wasn't a thing such as "Viral games". And no, FNF doesn't contribute to his popularity.

    • @SweetSmore68
      @SweetSmore68 Před 2 lety +1

      @@cyberOIO yes, it does, many people including me became to know about him because of the mod, and yes, viral games did exist, mario and sonic were examples of that, just because something became popular because a homage to it was made in a ´´viral game´´, doesnt mean you need to hate on everyone and ruin everything.

    • @cyberOIO
      @cyberOIO Před 2 lety

      @@SweetSmore68 I wasn't hating, maybe for you it did.

    • @nahfamyouaint
      @nahfamyouaint Před 2 lety

      @@cyberOIO fnf isn't even a game, it's unfinished (not saying you said that, just telling you)

  • @HHog
    @HHog Před 2 lety +3

    11:51 Ooh, that page! I actually bought the original master of this at a Summer of Sonic convention, some years ago.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +2

      That's awesome. I love Super's innocent face in that one.

  • @michaelp545
    @michaelp545 Před 2 lety +6

    The Fleetway Super Sonic is an interesting character. I would like a video on Fleetway Amy next.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks! A lot of people want Fleetway Amy so she is coming up soon

    • @michaelp545
      @michaelp545 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JohnnyVector Looking forward to it!

  • @XenonSlayer
    @XenonSlayer Před 7 měsíci +1

    the two frames in The Final Horizon with crazy Super Sonic will fuel fan theories for years to come!

  • @deanmark3636
    @deanmark3636 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I would love a story where Fleetway Sonic appears during a battle with Eggman and starts a allout war against the rest of the Sonic cast battling not just all of Eggmans bots but also his regular forms friends which leads to a scene where Fleetway advances towards the beaten Eggman before Eggman uses his greatest creation Metal SOnic to attack Fleetway and then Knuckles knocks Super Sonic out

  • @TwoTailedSponge
    @TwoTailedSponge Před 2 lety +9

    Hope you cover Amy and Tails in both Fleetway and the games. 💖🧡

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +3

      A few people have mentioned Fleetway Amy so that one is quite high on the to-do list.

  • @khalilnevels8926
    @khalilnevels8926 Před 2 lety +5

    I thought fleetway was kind of simular to broly in the Z movie

  • @masterprick1
    @masterprick1 Před 2 lety +1

    Haven't seen a lot of Fleetway, but from the little I have seen it always felt more down to earth when compared to the Archie comics.

  • @n.d.r.g4724
    @n.d.r.g4724 Před 2 lety +2

    randomly found this in recommendation here just to read comments

  • @theblizzard8735
    @theblizzard8735 Před 2 lety +4

    Sonic and the gang should be glad that they didn't have to face hyper

  • @NobamaDroneStrike
    @NobamaDroneStrike Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks for the cool facts about Fleetway Sonic I understand now since I didn’t understand what was going on in the FNF mod for VS Sonic.exe

  • @oliverpascoe9679
    @oliverpascoe9679 Před 11 měsíci

    I read sonic the comics growing up and I remember there was this one story line where sonic and maybe some of the freedom fighters went to a parallel universe and the sonic there was an evil dictator. The way they toppled him was by making the evil sonic turn into super sonic, who was 'mellow yellow' and wanted to be a kind ruler instead, suggesting the super transformation has a reverse moral alignment to the original.

  • @thechewster9826
    @thechewster9826 Před 2 lety +2

    Sonic characters from the games: you have freed us!
    Fleetway sonic: oh i wouldn’t say “freed”. More like “under new management”

  • @minelord8492
    @minelord8492 Před 2 lety +6

    Social expirement time.
    This is the guy from Friday night funkin.

    • @gamingwithandy1
      @gamingwithandy1 Před 2 lety

      *anger intensifies*

    • @Hanz_M
      @Hanz_M Před 2 lety

      >:'(((((((((((((((((
      DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD'X

  • @sternology1012
    @sternology1012 Před 3 lety +10

    Video game Super Sonic is kind of like Super Saiyan Goku and Fleetway Super Sonic is kind of like Broly

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 3 lety +6

      They're both pretty violent, that's for sure!

    • @reVo1t
      @reVo1t Před 2 lety

      I'd say it's more like a majin vegeta since broly isn't necessarily evil he just has a lack of control, whilst majins are literally demonic entities

  • @graemehutton2433
    @graemehutton2433 Před 2 lety +2

    StC was the Sonic canon of my childhood! Awesome characters like Shortfuse, Techno and Jonny Lightfoot would make great videos. Also did Turbo ever come back? I can only remember him in one story.

  • @bitterman7258
    @bitterman7258 Před 2 lety +2

    love your vids

  • @unknownuser0813
    @unknownuser0813 Před 2 lety +4

    Well classic=Fleetway Sonic
    Modern=Dark Sonic

  • @gregheffley8880
    @gregheffley8880 Před 2 lety +5

    *fnf flash backs* oh no

  • @veggietablz
    @veggietablz Před 2 lety +1

    Rewatched this never gets old

  • @CammieRacing
    @CammieRacing Před rokem +1

    I feel like the second Sonic Movie hinted at this evil supersonic at the end with Knuckles warning them ''He is no longer the hedgehog you knew''.

  • @00T398
    @00T398 Před rokem +8

    I find it funny how people laugh at the concept of a “Sonic.EXE” when characters like Fleetway Super Sonic and Metal Sonic are walking examples of an evil Sonic done right.

  • @alexknj1
    @alexknj1 Před 3 měsíci

    What's interesting is that originally, Super Sayian *was* an evil transformation that turned Goku cold and sadistic, so that was probably another inspiration.

  • @kippkeaton1966
    @kippkeaton1966 Před 2 lety +1

    I think it's really interesting how Sonic Movie 2 almost seems to reference it for a split second!

  • @GIJOEFAN-ys8gp
    @GIJOEFAN-ys8gp Před 2 lety +4

    Maybe we can get an evil Super Sonic in the upcoming Sonic Prime a la Fleetway. The show is about the multiverse so it’s possible.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +1

      I can definitely see an idea like that happening, though not quite as evil as Fleetway Super Sonic I imagine.

  • @Real_Meelky
    @Real_Meelky Před 2 lety +3

    In Sonic the movie 2 they mentioned Fleetway, but i don't wanna spoil.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +2

      I've seen the movie, I remember a scene that kind of alluded to Fleetway's Super Sonic a little.

    • @nightmangle8228
      @nightmangle8228 Před rokem +1

      @@JohnnyVector when was it? I can't remember seeing it?

  • @Pan-mt7bc
    @Pan-mt7bc Před 2 lety +2

    It would be really cool if super was an "Superpowered evil side", would add an layer of caution or danger

  • @themostepicgamer1647
    @themostepicgamer1647 Před 2 lety +1

    I never knew about Super Sonic going good for a while or refusing with Super Sonic well actually I really didn’t know anything about him except that he was evil so thank you for educating me about this character

  • @Nemophilist850
    @Nemophilist850 Před 2 lety +3

    The gap between Fleetway's best artwork and worst artwork was gigantic.

  • @bulb9970
    @bulb9970 Před 2 lety +4

    I already knew about psycho super sonic but this still got recommended to me after playing the FNF mod
    Edit: 2:23 That’s not entirely true. When Goku went super saiyan for the first time he was at a state of rage, even threatening to kill his own son. But the whole plot point of the transformation being unlocked by sheer rage was dropped pretty early.

    • @redstreak9430
      @redstreak9430 Před 2 lety +1

      True. I think Broly or the False Super Saiyan from Lord Slug are also apt comparison to this version as well.

  • @Somerandomjingleberry
    @Somerandomjingleberry Před rokem +1

    I never did like storylines about “evil sides” or “controlling” anything, so the idea of Fleetway’s approach to Super deeply disturbed me. Then I read about a headcanon that Super was never Sonic to begin with, but in fact a demon that had possessed him deep in that ocean, a demon made out of chaos.
    That would make things much better for me were it not for the fact that the amnesia plot happened, further complicating things.
    Evil isn’t some quantifiable energy, separate from the idea of a person, and it should never be.
    But even with all of that being said I can’t deny how much this left an impression on people, myself included

    • @paperprince2953
      @paperprince2953 Před rokem +1

      From what I know or remember, this likely goes back to the Origins of Sonic and Dr. Kintobor where he states that he was going to use the Chaos Emeralds to rid of all Evil in the entire Planet. However, it was incomplete with both Sonic and Kintobor being exposed to Chaos Radiation, Robotnik was exposed to the Evil of the Chaos Emeralds due to the process not being complete, turning him into Dr. Robotnik. I personally believe that after Sonic gained more Radiation, it was not HIM and nor was Super Sonic a seperate entity at the time. This was due to the Chaos Energy corrupting him with the evil of the Planet but unlike Robotnik, this was only for a temporary amount of time.
      Robotnik and Kintobor are in fact the same as Super Sonic and Sonic, it's more of the Radiation changing their emotions and such. However if you remember in the Running Wild Arc, it was due to the Star Post removing all the Chaos Energy from Sonic, that was how it became a seperate entity. All the Chaos Energy thrown out of Sonic was nearly gone with Super Sonic being split and having it all for himself, imagine if Robotnik and Kintobor had to split.

  • @DanialDEcool
    @DanialDEcool Před 2 lety +2

    Fun fact: speaking of super sonic and ashura being the last vid in the series so in sonic 3 alone not sonic 3 and knuckles you can catch a small glimpse of ashura while transforming into super sonic

  • @JohnnyVector
    @JohnnyVector  Před 2 lety +95

    Here's a couple more Fleetway videos if you fancy another:
    - Commander Brutus -> czcams.com/video/_DTETxmokVg/video.html
    - Doctor Zachary the Echidna -> czcams.com/video/AOSfpYgAsyU/video.html
    - Tails' Adventures in the Nameless Zone -> czcams.com/video/7Km2J9br-Yk/video.html

    • @zorconix7546
      @zorconix7546 Před 2 lety +1

      Hey fleetway sonic is in fnf vs sonic.exe cool right?

    • @MegaPokeman1
      @MegaPokeman1 Před 2 lety

      Fleetway's Super Sonic is interesting, but I think I prefer the version that Sonic X hinted at during the Metarex arc, dubbed Dark Sonic by fans. It makes more sense to me as a form separate from Super.